swimming

[Guest guest]

LOL, Sorry I meant fingers crossed. Glad y'all put up with my typo's. : )

Irma

>>Fingers that things will work out.

[Guest guest]

I, too, am a big fan of the long hot shower. Without it I can't

start my day. It helps get the kinks out, relaxes muscles, improves

mood, etc., etc.

As for the water piece . . . I use a swim cap, nose plug, goggles,

snorkel, and think I might start with ear plugs. If there were fish

around they'd laugh. Some of the swimmers come in with nothing. How

nice for them! I need a little protection from the water/chlorine

so that I can relax in the water, which then allows my

neck/shoulders to relax and then my lower back, and I can move in

the water without injury. I like swimming because when I'm relaxed

in the water I can move fluidly, even gracefully, with as much

flexibility as others. It feels so good.

Do you think if I had been born a dolphin, I would have gotten

scoliosis?

Deb M.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Deb!

Have you just floated on your back, without going anywhere, just hanging in

the water? The first time I did it, I added to the water in the pool with the

tears that just started dribbling off my head into the water. I was pain free!

Hope you have the same experience!

Carole M.

[Guest guest]

Hi Carole,

I had to laugh when I read your post. When I tell people that my

favorite thing in life is floating in a pool, they just don't

understand. It is the most relaxing thing in the world for me because

I fell zero pain.

This is mainly the reason I bought a waterbed. Not one of those old

types that sit on the floor. It looks like a regular bed with a

pillow top. You can adjust the water level to be as soft as you need

plus since it is heated, I can make it a full body heating pad when I

have had a rough day!

> Hi, Deb!

>

> Have you just floated on your back, without going anywhere, just

hanging in

> the water? The first time I did it, I added to the water in the

pool with the

> tears that just started dribbling off my head into the water. I

was pain free!

>

> Hope you have the same experience!

>

> Carole M.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, yes! I love it on my stomach too (another benefit of the

snorkel). All the people are yards away and I can close my eyes,

breathe deeply and just float. No pain. It even stops any pain I'm

in. Actually, so does floating with a noodle or two in the deep end.

I learned that one from my aquatic PT a few years ago. I almost feel

normal!

Deb.

> Hi, Deb!

>

> Have you just floated on your back, without going anywhere, just

hanging in

> the water? The first time I did it, I added to the water in the

pool with the

> tears that just started dribbling off my head into the water. I

was pain free!

>

> Hope you have the same experience!

>

> Carole M.

[Guest guest]

Great idea. Try walking in just over waist deep water. You

will feel the pull on those hip muscles. You can also try back

stroke with a frog kick to get those muscles into shape. I

did the pool thing before my surgery as well and I think it helped me a

great deal.

Larry

At 06:46 PM 6/6/2004 +0300, you wrote:

The

open-air pool near my home has just opened for the summer season, so I've

started swimming nearly every day, in preparation for my TRHR on July

20th. I want to strengthen the muscles around the hip-joint, and also get

myself as generally fit as I can - I've gained a lot of weight and got

very flabby over the past months through lack of exercise! Swimming is

the only exercise I can do without pain.

Does anyone have suggestions as to

water-exercises or swimming strokes that are especially

helpful?

Also - how long after the operation can you

resume swimming? I'm concerned about getting in and out of the pool

- the access to this pool is vertical steps cut into the wall of the

pool, and even now I don't find them easy to manage as they are rather

widely spaced. Luckily my arms and shoulders are strong, so I can push

myself up on the handrails to get from the top step up to standing

upright on the pool edge - which is quite a big step up.

Thanks for sharing your

experiences.

Margaret in Israel

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret in Israel, I'm Charlotte in Bridgeport, Ct. I just had my hip surgery 2 weeks ago today, and I stare out at the condo pool that I can see from my window. How long you have to wait after surgery depends on how quickly your incision heals. My dr told me 4-6 weeks, but I go for post op check up next week, so I'll find out then. Any movement of your legs in the water is good for building up your muscles, walking, skipping, leg swinging, flutter kick, breast stroke kick, side stroke kick, etc. There are books availabele on water exercises for more specific directions. Lots of luck to you. CharlotteMargaret Hayon <margaret@...> wrote:

The open-air pool near my home has just opened for the summer season, so I've started swimming nearly every day, in preparation for my TRHR on July 20th. I want to strengthen the muscles around the hip-joint, and also get myself as generally fit as I can - I've gained a lot of weight and got very flabby over the past months through lack of exercise! Swimming is the only exercise I can do without pain.

Does anyone have suggestions as to water-exercises or swimming strokes that are especially helpful?

Also - how long after the operation can you resume swimming? I'm concerned about getting in and out of the pool - the access to this pool is vertical steps cut into the wall of the pool, and even now I don't find them easy to manage as they are rather widely spaced. Luckily my arms and shoulders are strong, so I can push myself up on the handrails to get from the top step up to standing upright on the pool edge - which is quite a big step up.

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Margaret in Israel

[Guest guest]

Charlotte & Margaret...

I went swimming 4 weeks after RTHR (with the doctor's permission) and it was great. Spent lots of time mimicing walking and slow running motions (without impact) as well as the front crawl. Didn't try whipp kicks until a month later. Felt great to have leg motion without worry.

But, as Charlotte recommends, get the Dr. to sign off on it.

Gerard

-----Original Message-----From: charlotte clark [mailto:charlottie3@...]Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:34 AMJoint Replacement Subject: Re: Swimming

Hi Margaret in Israel, I'm Charlotte in Bridgeport, Ct. I just had my hip surgery 2 weeks ago today, and I stare out at the condo pool that I can see from my window. How long you have to wait after surgery depends on how quickly your incision heals. My dr told me 4-6 weeks, but I go for post op check up next week, so I'll find out then. Any movement of your legs in the water is good for building up your muscles, walking, skipping, leg swinging, flutter kick, breast stroke kick, side stroke kick, etc. There are books availabele on water exercises for more specific directions. Lots of luck to you. CharlotteMargaret Hayon <margaret@...> wrote:

The open-air pool near my home has just opened for the summer season, so I've started swimming nearly every day, in preparation for my TRHR on July 20th. I want to strengthen the muscles around the hip-joint, and also get myself as generally fit as I can - I've gained a lot of weight and got very flabby over the past months through lack of exercise! Swimming is the only exercise I can do without pain.

Does anyone have suggestions as to water-exercises or swimming strokes that are especially helpful?

Also - how long after the operation can you resume swimming? I'm concerned about getting in and out of the pool - the access to this pool is vertical steps cut into the wall of the pool, and even now I don't find them easy to manage as they are rather widely spaced. Luckily my arms and shoulders are strong, so I can push myself up on the handrails to get from the top step up to standing upright on the pool edge - which is quite a big step up.

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Margaret in Israel

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Charlotte. Lots of luck to you too - wishing you good recovery. Looking forward to hearing more about your progress!

Thanks also Larry and Gerard.

Wishing us all well,

Margaret

Re: Swimming

Hi Margaret in Israel, I'm Charlotte in Bridgeport, Ct. I just had my hip surgery 2 weeks ago today, and I stare out at the condo pool that I can see from my window. How long you have to wait after surgery depends on how quickly your incision heals. My dr told me 4-6 weeks, but I go for post op check up next week, so I'll find out then. Any movement of your legs in the water is good for building up your muscles, walking, skipping, leg swinging, flutter kick, breast stroke kick, side stroke kick, etc. There are books availabele on water exercises for more specific directions. Lots of luck to you. CharlotteMargaret Hayon <margaret@...> wrote:

The open-air pool near my home has just opened for the summer season, so I've started swimming nearly every day, in preparation for my TRHR on July 20th. I want to strengthen the muscles around the hip-joint, and also get myself as generally fit as I can - I've gained a lot of weight and got very flabby over the past months through lack of exercise! Swimming is the only exercise I can do without pain.

Does anyone have suggestions as to water-exercises or swimming strokes that are especially helpful?

Also - how long after the operation can you resume swimming? I'm concerned about getting in and out of the pool - the access to this pool is vertical steps cut into the wall of the pool, and even now I don't find them easy to manage as they are rather widely spaced. Luckily my arms and shoulders are strong, so I can push myself up on the handrails to get from the top step up to standing upright on the pool edge - which is quite a big step up.

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Margaret in Israel

[Guest guest]

Margaret,

re swimming, It feels good. however, I think you stated that you

have to step and lift your body out of the pool on a ladder ?

That could be tricky if you still have restrictions on the degree

of bend you are allowed on your hip. You might try practicing

exiting the pool and look at the angle of your hip...how high up is

your knee above your hip...is the bend more then 90 degrees ?

Just a a thought. swimming did feel good.

Valeri

[Guest guest]

Dr. Grim, can you write me a Rx for a swimming pool? :-) Spent an hour on my stationary bike last night and BP went up....

Re: swimming

Interesting. Is this result what you get, or have you found some published clinical data on other people?The swimming (30 minutes), for myself (PA pt), lowers BP about 20 pts, and lasts for about an hour.DaveOn Apr 22, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Farah Rahbar wrote:

This only works if you have high blood pressure due to stress. This style of breathing relaxes the body & calms the mind. I have tested it and only works for 1 minute to bring the bp down less than 10 points. I've been studying various styles of yoga for several yrs. Also there are other breathing styles while you press on certain parts of your body such as applying acupressure while doing certain breaths, or sunsalutations for example while doing the 4,7,8 breathing, they are only for those with essential hyt.Has anyone looked into resperate.com? I found out about it on line. I guess if you have bp due to very high stress life-style, then it may work for you!! Like any other relaxation form. Swimming daily would be the best as it opens up all the veins and arteries as your muscles relax.But again would they also work for someone with PA? That remains to be seen.FarahDave <dave@...> wrote:

I am now recognising the salt reaction, and controlling my dailyintake. It is amazing how much better I am at 1500 mg.A breathing exercise (from Hatha yoga) that U of Az school of medicinehas tested and aggregated study on is :0) check BP1) tongue placed firmly on roof of mouth, seated quietly2) empty lungs with gently pursed-lips outbreaths to fullest extent (x2)2) inhale through nose to count of 4 seconds3) hold for count of 7 "4) exhale to count of 8 " (use gently pursed lips, as in emptying above)5) repeat 4 times.6) check BP.repeat as needed.Dave

[Guest guest]

I know the echo is getting bad in here but:

Where is the data that using or treating post swimming BP allows one to predict future disease or treating it makes one live a healthier and longer life.?

In a message dated 4/22/05 12:43:43, dave@... writes:

Interesting.  Is this result what you get, or have you found some

published clinical data on other people?

The swimming (30 minutes), for myself (PA pt), lowers BP about 20 pts,

and lasts for about an hour.

Dave

On Apr 22, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Farah Rahbar wrote:

> This only works if you have high blood pressure due to stress. This

> style of breathing relaxes the body & calms the mind. I have tested it

> and only works for 1 minute to bring the bp down less than 10 points.

> I've been studying various styles of yoga for several yrs. Also there

> are other breathing styles while you press on certain parts of your

> body such as applying acupressure while doing certain breaths, or

> sunsalutations for example while doing the 4,7,8 breathing,  they are

> only for those with essential hyt.

> Has anyone looked into resperate.com? I found out about it on line. I

> guess if you have bp due to very high stress life-style, then it may

> work for you!! Like any other relaxation form. Swimming daily would be

> the best as it opens up all the veins and arteries as your

> muscles relax.

>

> But again would they also work for someone with PA? That remains to be

> seen.

> Farah

>

> Dave <dave@...> wrote:

>> I am now recognising the salt reaction, and controlling my daily

>> intake. It is amazing how much better I am at 1500 mg.

>>

>> A breathing exercise (from Hatha yoga) that U of Az school of medicine

>> has tested and aggregated study on is :

>>

>> 0) check BP

>>

>> 1) tongue placed firmly on roof of mouth, seated quietly

>>

>> 2) empty lungs with gently pursed-lips outbreaths to fullest extent

>> (x2)

>>

>> 2) inhale through nose to count of 4 seconds

>>

>> 3) hold for count of 7 "

>>

>> 4) exhale to count of 8 " (use gently pursed lips, as in emptying

>> above)

>>

>> 5) repeat 4 times.

>>

>> 6) check BP.

>>

>> repeat as needed.

>>

>> Dave

>>

>>

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS

Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes.

Listed in Best Doctors in America

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/22/05 18:28:59, leslie@... writes:

Dr. Grim, can you write me a Rx for a swimming pool?  :-)  Spent an hour on my stationary bike last night and BP went up....

A hot tub may have the same effect. Again we dont know if you live longer or healthier if you have a hot tub, and use it regularly. Guess the hot tub industry could collect his data as they have been selling these for 50 + years.

What they do is to search the US death records for everyone they have sold a hot tub to and the control group, but no ranomized, would be those who looked at but did not buy a hot tub.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS

Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes.

Listed in Best Doctors in America

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

As Dave articulated much better that I could have, I'm not necessarily seeking an alternative to medical treatment of my condition. However, I'm fairly certain that scientific research does support that people who exercise regularly live longer and have fewer heart attacks and strokes than those who do not. I don't know that any evidence exists to suggest that swimmers live longer than bikers, but doesn't it intuitively stand to reason that for hypertensive individuals, physical activity in which blood pressure following the activity is lower than it was preceding the activity is a better choice than the opposite? Of course, I'd be happy to participate in any study involving regular use of a hot top if one is provided to me... even if I don't live any healthier, I might live happier :-)

Re: swimming

In a message dated 4/22/05 18:28:59, leslie@... writes:

Dr. Grim, can you write me a Rx for a swimming pool? :-) Spent an hour on my stationary bike last night and BP went up....A hot tub may have the same effect. Again we dont know if you live longer or healthier if you have a hot tub, and use it regularly. Guess the hot tub industry could collect his data as they have been selling these for 50 + years. What they do is to search the US death records for everyone they have sold a hot tub to and the control group, but no ranomized, would be those who looked at but did not buy a hot tub. May your pressure be low!Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHSClinical Professor of Medicine and EpidemiologyDirector, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment CenterBoard Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and HypertensionPublished over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes.Listed in Best Doctors in AmericaSpecializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

Greetings all:

I guess I’ll join in this discussion with my own experience with exercise and with working with several of my clients as a personal trainer and yoga and martial arts teacher. I have to say there is a big difference between those with essential htn and those with PA. In a nutshell, anything that makes sense and works for those with essential hpt, does not work for PA people. I have worked with many clients who started an exercise program and were on several medications for bp, after 6-8 weeks of following an exercise routine with the right nutrition program not only they reduced their meds, some actually totally were off of meds. I have also worked with people with diabetes who ended up reducing meds.

For several yrs, I have been exercising and following what I thought was good nutrition, basically a low sodium diet, with lots of fruits and vegetables, and very little fat. Perhaps my PA would have revealed itself much earlier, but I noticed that suddenly doing any kind of exercise worsened my condition. Perhaps(and this is only my theory),any kind of exercise for a PA patient triggers the adrenal glands thereby producing more ald. (or perhaps because we continue to lose K during sweating while exercising.. or both after illness), who knows; as far as I know we are the only ones who are performing the studies on ourselves.

So, if exercising, and following a good nutrition program and reducing stress is a preventative measurement for not having htn, then this theory fails; Why do I have PA? Unfortunately, one size does not fit all. Studies are good for overweight, sedentary people who are not careful about what they eat. Not for everyone.(and by the way not everyone is overweight because they have a sedentary lifestyle as many doctors assume)

Since I am so sensitive with meds, I have to try any other way possible. If it works for me, I’ll try it. Afterall, I almost died because of htn drugs by listening to the doctors who didn’t know how to diagnose me and didnt know what they were doing. If swimming or sitting in a bathtub for a few minutes temporarily may bring a few minutes of relief, then that’s what I have to do.Better than digesting poison.

Things are different for PA patients. The Spironolactone is a good example. Instructions on this medications say to limit your K when taking this medication. However, a PA patient on spiro will continue to have K problems and we should not be limiting our K as suggested. What works for others does not necessarily work for us. I would be careful in doing any exercises as a PA patient. A “normal” patient’s bp goes up during exercise, then drops shorly after that. My bp goes up during exercise and goes higher after exercise. Does that mean I should continue to work out? I am not willing to chance a sudden stroke or heart attack. Now that I am finally on med that works for me, I can’t wait to re-start my exercise routine only ve..ry slo..wly and very carefully but I know that they will not replace my spiro or any other drugs that I may have to rely on for

this condition in the future.

Certainly we need more studies. If your bp is under control with meds, then you can exercise, as it would be good for other things. Lower HR, lower weight, and healthier lungs, lower stress level, and reduce depression. Why Not?

It would be wonders if the traditional and western medicines embrace, put their heads together and work together rather than pointing the blames or trying to prove the other wrong.

May we all be running away from our high ald.

Farah

P.S. by the way I read in a report that PA people develop carbohydrate intolerance.

www.emedicine.com/radio/topic354.htm

Malotky <leslie@...> wrote:

As Dave articulated much better that I could have, I'm not necessarily seeking an alternative to medical treatment of my condition. However, I'm fairly certain that scientific research does support that people who exercise regularly live longer and have fewer heart attacks and strokes than those who do not. I don't know that any evidence exists to suggest that swimmers live longer than bikers, but doesn't it intuitively stand to reason that for hypertensive individuals, physical activity in which blood pressure following the activity is lower than it was preceding the activity is a better choice than the opposite? Of course, I'd be happy to participate in any study involving regular use of a hot top if one is provided to me... even if I don't live any healthier, I might live happier :-)

Re: swimming

In a message dated 4/22/05 18:28:59, leslie@... writes:

Dr. Grim, can you write me a Rx for a swimming pool? :-) Spent an hour on my stationary bike last night and BP went up....A hot tub may have the same effect. Again we dont know if you live longer or healthier if you have a hot tub, and use it regularly. Guess the hot tub industry could collect his data as they have been selling these for 50 + years. What they do is to search the US death records for everyone they have sold a hot tub to and the control group, but no ranomized, would be those who looked at but did not buy a hot tub. May your pressure be low!Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math),

MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHSClinical Professor of Medicine and EpidemiologyDirector, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment CenterBoard Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and HypertensionPublished over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes.Listed in Best Doctors in AmericaSpecializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/23/05 18:47:20, farahbar@... writes:

 

P.S. by the way I read in a report that PA people develop carbohydrate intolerance.

www.emedicine.com/radio/topic354.htm

this was true for the first PA pt reported 51 years ago.

the best non-tradional Rx for PA is a very low sodium high K diet a la DASH.

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS (Chem/Math), MS (Biochem), MD, FACP, FACC, FAHS

Clinical Professor of Medicine and Epidemiology

Director, Hypertension Diagnosis and Treatment Center

Board Certified in Internal Medicine, Geriatrics and Hypertension

Published over 220 scientific papers, book chapters and 220 abstracts in the area of high blood pressure epidemiology, physiology, endocrinology measurement, treatment and how to detect curable causes.

Listed in Best Doctors in America

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure and the History and Physiology of High Blood pressure in the African Diaspora

[Guest guest]

I can't swim but every so often I'll get in the shallow end and doggie

paddle like mad -seems pretty hard to gauge your level of intesity in

the water....

osufiretgal wrote:

> Do any of you do swimming for cardio? I couldn't face the ellipical

> this week so I thought I would give lap swimming a try this morning. I

> just wasn't sure if it would be a recommended way to do the HIIT? I

> know it wore me out and I felt like I got a good work out.

>

> Just curious. By the way, my pants feel loose today!!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, that should be Covert ... my fingernails are too long

for typing. :-)

> > > Do any of you do swimming for cardio? I couldn't face the

> ellipical

> > > this week so I thought I would give lap swimming a try this

> morning. I

> > > just wasn't sure if it would be a recommended way to do the

> HIIT? I

> > > know it wore me out and I felt like I got a good work out.

> > >

> > > Just curious. By the way, my pants feel loose today!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I was a swimmer in high-school, and I also swim at home, and while I was

slim, I wasn't toned. It was kinda weird how my body compostiton was.

I agree with Covert that swimming is not the best thing to do to

lose fat and gain muscle.

Pam

[Guest guest]

I swim laps almost everyday....but it is a " bonus " cardio. lol

I always do my BFL exercising and anything beyond that is just extra.

Ann Y.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the feedback on swimming. I agree, swimming will be an

extra cardio!! D'

> I swim laps almost everyday....but it is a " bonus " cardio. lol

> I always do my BFL exercising and anything beyond that is just extra.

>

> Ann Y.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the feedback on swimming. I agree, swimming will be an

extra cardio!! D'

> I swim laps almost everyday....but it is a " bonus " cardio. lol

> I always do my BFL exercising and anything beyond that is just extra.

>

> Ann Y.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 03:40 PM 9/03/2005, Dahlstrom wrote:

>Hey the best stroke for exercise to do in the pool is definately the

>Butterfly! I can feel it from my shoulders down, including my stomach!!!

oh good!! that is about the only swimming stroke that i know how to

do! LOL

(well, i can float on my back and kick my feet too

:*carolyn.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Nervous,

I was able to shower pretty soon after surgery, they had these

little butterfly bandaides over the staples that would come off on

their own when they were ready. As for swimming, my doctor didn't

want me going into the " public " pool / hot tub etc... where the

general public had access (due to germs etc.) until after the wound

was completely healed over, your doctor may give you different

instructions.

I seem to remember the staples staying in for like 12 days... but I

could be totally wrong, it's been awhile :-)

>

> Can anyone tell me how long it is after tkr before you can go

swimming

> how about showering getting the incision wet how long till the

staples

> come out? thanks sherrie aka neverous nellie

>

[Guest guest]

You need to check with your Ortho MD to see what his protocol is but

you should not put the wound in a bathtub, hot tub or swimming pool

for at least 3 weeks. The is the time for almost full skin closure

and putting the wound into water can increase the risk of infection.

Many MDs will allow showering with proper covering and your MD is the

best referral source.

Alisa

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