detox symptoms

September 4, 2008

This might give you more of an explanation as to why these need to be taken this way. I just offer this as information for your consideration as I am just learning all the necessary chemistry related to the iodine issues.

http://www.optimox.com/pics/ATP_Cofact.htmOklahomaOn Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Alison Trotta-Marshall <rubyrain11@...> wrote:

Re: What are ATP Cofactors:It says it is vitamin B2 & B3.I am already on those.Is there something different about this product that is special?AliOn Sep 4, 2008, at 7:31 PM, ladybugsandbees wrote:

www.vrp.com sells it.

1 tablet 2x / day

Yes Dr Brownstein recommends it.

Re: Re: Detox Symptoms

September 4, 2008

If I remember correctly, it is formulated in a time-release tablet, which is part of the deal somehow (I think that is why Dr Flechas told me to take both tabs in the morning rather than 2x/day) And it is high doses, 1 tab = 100mg of B2 and 500mg of B3. Marlena> > >> > www.vrp.com sells it.> > 1 tablet 2x / day> > Yes Dr Brownstein recommends it.> >> >

September 4, 2008

That is good to know, Marlena!I have always wondered how water soluable vitamins could be " spread out " over the day.This seems to make much sense to me! Thank you!

OklahomaOn Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:00 PM, marlenaappletree <marlenaappletree@...> wrote:

If I remember correctly, it is formulated in a time-release tablet, which is part of the deal somehow (I think that is why Dr Flechas told me to take both tabs in the morning rather than 2x/day) And it is high doses, 1 tab = 100mg of B2 and 500mg of B3.

Marlena

> > >> > www.vrp.com sells it.

> > 1 tablet 2x / day> > Yes Dr Brownstein recommends it.> >> >

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September 5, 2008

In a message dated 9/4/2008 6:18:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marlenaappletree@... writes:

I agree! I find ATP Cofactors makes the iodine much more effective than if I take iodine without ATP Cofactors

Do you take the cofactors at the same time as the iodine? How many mg. of B2 and B3 are in the cofactors?

Thanks.

BarbFIt's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.

September 5, 2008

As long as they are the same form of B2 & B2 and in the same dosages. No you can take two other supplements. This is just easier.

Steph

Re: Re: Detox Symptoms

Where can one get ATP cofactors, how much do you take & does Dr. Brownstein

recommend it?

Ali

On Sep 4, 2008, at 3:18 PM, marlenaappletree wrote:

I agree! I find ATP Cofactors makes the iodine much more effective than if I take iodine without ATP Cofactors. I still don't have more energy yet, but the hypothyroid symptom that seems to be helped in me so far is constipation. When I take 2 ATP Cofactors with my 50mg Iodoral it improves this symptom significantly more than without the ATP, so that tells me it would definitely speed up detox as well! And I think I've experienced that too - somedays feeling worse, etc ...

Marlena

>> That's what I am thinking. ATP is what creates the "power" in the cell. It > will kick up you energy so it is possible that it is kicking up detoxing > from the cells.> > Steph>

September 5, 2008

Hi Marlena....I did do the 24 hour iodine loading test, but just

haven't received the results as yet. I haven't lowered my Iodoral

dose as I want to see the results of the 24 hour iodine loading test

first and go from there. Thanks V

> >

> > Hi Marlena, I have just about ruled out everything you mentioned.

I

> > just had my thyroid checked, and all is OK there. I take

compounded

> > porcine thyroid hormone (same as armour but without all the junky

> > binders & fillers). I am in the 5-10% of the population that has

to

> > keep TSH levels almost depleted in order to keep FT3 & FT4 levels

> > within the high end of normal. I have been doing this for the

last 4

> > years with no problems. My doctor tells me that happens to a small

> > percentage of the population. I quit taking magnesium and am only

> > taking 500 mg of vitamin C. I have even gone the gastrologist

route.

> > Now I'm getting muscular cramps again everywhere so I will

probably

> > start back with the magnesium. Only thing I can think of now is

that

> > being I have celiac disease I am injesting gluten somewhere along

the

> > line as we do eat out a lot. I am now just sticking with certain

> > salads when we eat out. I was just wondering if the iodoral I'm

> > taking, being my blood work was so above normal, could be causing

any

> > problems. Thanks for your response. V

> >

>

September 5, 2008

Not that I know of. I would think the 24 hour iodine urine test would

be the test to get to show what's being metabolized and/or needed by

the body. V

> >

> > Hi ...you say you had a blood test that showed abnormally high

> > Iodine. Could it be that the test ranges are geared to 'normal'

> levels

> > in people, which would be too low? I was told by my Dr that the

labs

> > arrive at test ranges by collecting the data from so

called 'healthy

> > people' and use the range that they feel is normal for the general

> > population. How can that work if the genral population is

subnormal?

> > This would explain the ridiculous range for TSH levels and

> the 'normal

> > low' end of T4 and T3 actually indicating Hypo.

> >

> > /MI

> >

> > How about sweating? I have done this terribly after upping to 3

> > iodoral's daily. I am post menapausal. I wake up dripping wet

many

> > mornings from sweating at night and break out in sweats many

times

> > during the day. Also during work outs I sweat tuns more than I

used

> > to. I figure this must be a good thing as probably getting rid of

> > toxins. My blood test for iodine showed a way abnormally high

level

> > of iodine. I have just taken the 24 hour urine test but not

> received

> > the results as yet. V

>

> ------------------------------------

>

September 5, 2008

I went to see my GP/chiropractor who has a naturalpath type practice.

She is the one who got fascinated by blood tests and got 100 of her

peers to choose the 50 healthiest patients for norms.

At this time ATP cofactors seems to be just too much for my body. She

has me taking Isocort which is homeopathic for my adrenal glands. She

thinks that my body is just not ready to detox at the level of ATP

cofactors yet. I still have the migraine today and only ever took 2

pills of ATP so am startled by the impact so far.

I saw halos and floating zigzag lines. I felt like had sword thru my

head from side to side. Ice and migraine meds helped some. My liver

enzymes are up 2-3 times so may be that detoxing needs to be done more

slowly. FM slows everything.

My body has been healing from 18 months of Rheumatoid Arthritis

treatment and cured up. The meds for RA are almost as bad as the

disease like cancer drugs for life.Been rear ended twice in 4 years

and still healing right hip from drunk driver. Three years ago was

close to liver failure with gall stone in common bile duct so had 2

surgeries. I am also in worst 10% with FM but have healed up about

halfway now on that reversal.

I will hang on to the ATP cofactors and just keep muscle testing them

with her until the body seems ready. Isocort will help the adrenals to

heal. Stuff tastes bitter but it sure helps sleep patterns.

Glad to hear it is detox symptoms and not something new. I am tired of

diseases!!!!

Thanks for sharing what you have learned the hard way. Hugs, Pam

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:09 PM, ladybugsandbees

<ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

> That's what I am thinking. ATP is what creates the " power " in the cell. It

> will kick up you energy so it is possible that it is kicking up detoxing

> from the cells.

>

> Steph

>

> Re: Detox Symptoms

>

>> Hi Pamela-

>>

>> I did have two episodes of halos, without migraine, in the beginning

>> of detoxing. Also have regularly had a low grade fever, with sneezing

>> and frontal headache, listlessness as symptoms of detoxing. It does

>> sound like your symptoms were much worse than mine, but it sounds like

>> they could be from detoxing. Especially if your body reacts to

>> " everything " . Why when you took the ATP cofactors? Maybe without the

>> cofactors you weren't detoxing as effectively. Just a theory. Maybe

>> someone else will actually know the science there.

>>

>> Feel better soon, okay?

>> Blessings-

>> Vicki

>>

>>> >> >

>>> >> > Hi ...for me that has been my major bromide detox symptom.

>>> > Along

>>> >> with

>>> >> > watery blurry eyes and runny nose. But those symptoms have

>>> > stopped.

>>> >> Only the

>>> >> > the looseness remains.

>>> >> > BarbF

>>> >> >

>>> >> > In a message dated 9/3/2008 9:20:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

>>> >> > myrv@ writes:

>>> >> >

>>> >> > >>Also how about exceeding loose stools....just in the morning.

>>> >> People

>>> >> > >>have mentioned constipation, but I am the opposite

>>> >> >

>>> >> > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find

>>> > your

>>> >> travel

>>> >> > deal here.

>>> >> > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?

>>> > ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

>>> >> >

>>> >>

>>> >

>>>

>>

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>>

September 7, 2008

I also take the ATP cofactors but take 1 cap in the morning and one at night. is it really preferable to take 2 in the a.m? It's funny b/c product info says it is time release but I don't thik it says that on the bottle.

Gracia

If I remember correctly, it is formulated in a time-release tablet, which is part of the deal somehow (I think that is why Dr Flechas told me to take both tabs in the morning rather than 2x/day) And it is high doses, 1 tab = 100mg of B2 and 500mg of B3.

Marlena

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July 12, 2009

How long has she been on 50 mgs? Have you tried having her take an epsom/hydrogen peroxide bath (20 mins in very warm water). You can also do this combo on the face to cleanse. Vit A may help too. You can add some liver things like milk thistle or dandelion root if she is detoxing.

Steph

detox symptoms

my 17 yaear old daughter with hashi's has been taking 50 mg of iodoral for about 1 month now...she is also taking c, magnesium, selenium, cofactors (2), multi, B12, ironas of the last 5 days or so she has facial (sinus) pain, stuffy nose, some facial breakout, ...she has been exposed to an upper respiratory infection/ cold ...so i cannot tell if it is detox or just a cold....should she increase the cofactors to 3 instead of 2..??if it is detox how long till it passes?? can i do anything to speed it up that we are not already doing....did get her to eat some salt today..she wont drink it but she ate some on a lemon....how do we know if it is detox or infection?? any thoughts!!>>> Steph...i have been taking ATPcofactor, 2 twice a day..is that OK?> thanks>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->>>

July 13, 2009

how do you do the hydrogen peroxide /epsom for face wash?? what are the quantities for a bath too??>>> Steph...i have been taking ATPcofactor, 2 twice a day..is that OK?> thanks>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->>>

July 13, 2009

Just mix equal parts of each in some water and pat it on your face with a cotton cloth or natural sponge. I just left it on my face and didn't wipe it off.

Steph

Re: detox symptoms

how do you do the hydrogen peroxide /epsom for face wash?? what are the quantities for a bath too??>>> Steph...i have been taking ATPcofactor, 2 twice a day..is that OK?> thanks>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->>>

July 13, 2009

how much do you put into bathtub for soaking?>>> Steph...i have been taking ATPcofactor, 2 twice a day..is that OK?> thanks>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->>>

October 4, 2010

From watching posts here, it seems that a lot of people can go quite high

without a lot of problems. I'm not one of them. I experimented iodine a

various levels, but settled at 12.5 mg's a day along with the companion

nutrients plus other vitamins and things that I hope is helping to clear out my

toxic liver and other organs. In spite of my low dose, the iodine still makes

me feel better with more energy.

It seems that this will be my level for a while. I am still getting slight detox

symptoms, but they are very bearable. I'm getting ready to try something

different and see if it will help me do better.

I really don't like using myself as an experiment, but with no iodine literate

doctor or one open to learn, there's no choice if I want to heal.

Debbie

>

> Went to pick up iodine and guy has me scared now. The

> talks about a

> test with the iodine you use on skin before surgery and

> that if it's

> gone you can then take iodine. But how does that tell

> you how much to

> take?

>

> A lady here did 200 to heal her PCOS with but I read about

> huge detox

> issues and I'm already exhausted I don't know if I can

> function

> anymore with higher levels of exhaustion.

>

> Advice/experience?

>

> Also, there is SO much info going I find it hard to follow

> as I'm

> entirely uneducated. Is there a Dummies guide to

> Iodine out there?

>

> Honey

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group

> IodineOT/

>

> Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

October 4, 2010

This is the way I understand it.

From smallest to largest these are the halogen group of atoms: fluorine,

chlorine, bromine, iodine, and astatine. Astatine is so rare as to be

inconsequential. When we take sufficient iodine, it apparently causes fluorine,

chlorine and bromine to be released from our cells and enter our blood stream.

They are then removed from our blood stream by our liver and kidneys, plus some

is removed in our perspiration, breath, and even menstral flow.

The problem is that some of what moves into our liver and kidneys can be

reabsorbed before it is fully removed. The reabsorption occurs by osmosis. A

smaller atom can be more easily reabsorbed because it can more easily pass

through a membrane. So, if you take in excess chlorine when it enters the

kidneys is can block the reabsorption of bromine because being smaller it can

more easily pass through a membrane and since only so much can physically pass

through a membrane at once, the bromine gets left behind and can then be flushed

by drinking excess fluids causing frequent urination.

The process of eliminating toxins like fluorine, bromine, mercury, and arsenic

through the liver can be made more efficient by coffee enemas. What toxins the

liver removes from our blood is dumped into our intestines by our gall bladder

as part of the bile. Some of this can be reabsorbed through our intestines. A

coffee enema (caffeine) stimulates the gall bladder to empty into the intestine,

and this is removed quickly by the effect of the enema on the intestine. (The

reason that we can get diarrhea and vomit when we are sick is our bodies are

attempting to quickly eliminate the toxins that are dumped into our intestines

by our liver, so a coffee enema is just mimicking diarrhea.)

The process of eliminating toxins through our skin in perspiration and our lungs

through exhaling can be accelerated by exercise which increases perspiration and

the rate of breathing. A sauna also will increase perspiration. Sufficient

hydration during exercise or a sauna are important.

Of course, reducing the rate of iodine intake can also relieve detox symptoms,

but this should be last choice since it defeats the purpose.

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Ok I know that we are supposed to do the salt flushes to aid detoxification

and side effect symptoms from taking iodine, but I have trouble with the salt!

Because my potassium tends to get low anyway due to having low ADH

(anti-diuretic hormone) - from possible damage to my hypothalamus from exposure

to toxic mold - a long story... the salt exacerbates my low potassium symptoms

(which can certainly be confusing to sort out from the other stuff, but

anyway...)

>

> Dr Flechas said it was the chloride that was important, and that I could take

potassium chloride instead of sodium chloride. The problem is that the potassium

chloride upsets my stomach (which is still recovering from a medication I took

to help remove the mold toxins ) So I thought maybe I could try taking magnesium

chloride (does anyone know if this will work as well as salt and if so how much

to take?) ...

>

> I ordered a bottle of Nutricology mag chloride

(http://organicpharmacy.org/products/Magnesium.Chloride/SKU:50320-nutri) and

tried it for the first time the other day and I got a terrible headache. The

next day I didn't take it to see if that's what it was and I had no headache. I

haven't experimented again yet, but I was wondering if anyone can help me

understand this. I thought the chloride was supposed to help the detox symptoms

go away, not bring them on??

>

> But then I read about a case, written by Abraham and Brownstein (go to:

http://optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-11/IOD_11.htm) about a woman who felt much

much worse when she started the salt because it sped up her detoxification ...

>

> Can anyone explain or share their experience to help me understand!!

>

> Thanks a lot!!

> Marlena

>

October 5, 2010

Marlena,

Aldosterone is the hormone that controls your balance of electrolytes. If you have low potassium, have they checked you for excess aldosterone? (would also cause high blood pressure/muscle cramps/weakness, tingling of extremities)

Gail

March 2, 2011

Hi Patty,

sometimes folks feel better at a higher dose than 6.25 mgs which is a pretty low dose. Also, the 1/2 tsp of celtic salt in 8 oz water and followed by 12 oz water, is salt loading. To be done when you have detox symptoms. Your post wasn’t clear to me, are you saying you did salt loading when you first started before you had detox symptoms? You need to use the celtic salt daily on food, but not every day in the salt loading way. The Celtic salt is best taken a bit in warm water and also use liberally on your food...1/2 to 1 teaspoon daily. Use the salt loading only when you feel your body detoxing. And remember you can do the salt loading 45 minutes apart (one or two times) till you feel better. Have you read the New Members doc. , it explains much. Even though you felt healthy before you started iodine.It is possible to feel really bad when you first start iodine, which is a good sign that your body is releasing the toxic halides. You can also try pulse dosing, take iodine for 5 days on and 2 days off. Kathleen

Detox symptoms

i recently started the iodine supplementation on Saturday of this week. I did the 1/2 tsp of sea salt in 8 oz water followed by 12 oz of water, 1-400 mg magnesium, 6.25 iodoral and 2-1000mg am and 2-1000mg again in pm of Vitamin C, 1-5000mg D3 and 1-Omega 3-6-9. First few days felt good except for a slight rash on back of my shoulder but on day 3 started getting very achy in thighs, hips and lower region around tailbone and still feeling that way. I am drinking alot of water (R0) throughout the day (approx 70 ounces, half my body weight). I decided today (Wed) to stop the iodoral to give kidneys a rest in case that is the lower back pain but have continued with the rest of the regimen i stated above. i should add that i am healthy with no major health problems and very surprised that I could be so toxic to have this much pain when most of your readers write about how great they feel. I am worried that either i am taking too many vitamins or my body is rebelling and I am considering stopping as I just feel overall lousy.... Should I have shown detox symptoms at 6.25 of iodoral as I read most people on the site are on a much larger dosage then that. I really want to continue with this because i believe I need the iodine but don't like the way I am feeling right now. Would appreciate any help.Patty

March 3, 2011

I did the salt loading at the same time as beginning the iodine, thought i was

to do them together daily. So should i just take the 12mg of iodine and not do

the salt loading. Would the salt loading have anything to do with the aches and

pains i am feeling? I thought it was part of the detoxing so i needed more salt

loading. Sorry for the confusion.

>

> Hi Patty,

> sometimes folks feel better at a higher dose than 6.25 mgs which is a pretty

low dose. Also, the 1/2 tsp of celtic salt in 8 oz water and followed by 12 oz

water, is salt loading. To be done when you have detox symptoms. Your post

wasn't clear to me, are you saying you did salt loading when you first started

before you had detox symptoms? You need to use the celtic salt daily on food,

but not every day in the salt loading way. The Celtic salt is best taken a bit

in warm water and also use liberally on your food...1/2 to 1 teaspoon daily. Use

the salt loading only when you feel your body detoxing. And remember you can do

the salt loading 45 minutes apart (one or two times) till you feel better. Have

you read the New Members doc. , it explains much. Even though you felt healthy

before you started iodine.It is possible to feel really bad when you first start

iodine, which is a good sign that your body is releasing the toxic halides. You

can also try pulse dosing, take iodine for 5 days on and 2 days off. Kathleen

> Detox symptoms

>

> i recently started the iodine supplementation on Saturday of this week. I

did the 1/2 tsp of sea salt in 8 oz water followed by 12 oz of water, 1-400 mg

magnesium, 6.25 iodoral and 2-1000mg am and 2-1000mg again in pm of Vitamin C,

1-5000mg D3 and 1-Omega 3-6-9. First few days felt good except for a slight rash

on back of my shoulder but on day 3 started getting very achy in thighs, hips

and lower region around tailbone and still feeling that way. I am drinking alot

of water (R0) throughout the day (approx 70 ounces, half my body weight). I

decided today (Wed) to stop the iodoral to give kidneys a rest in case that is

the lower back pain but have continued with the rest of the regimen i stated

above. i should add that i am healthy with no major health problems and very

surprised that I could be so toxic to have this much pain when most of your

readers write about how great they feel. I am worried that either i am taking

too many vitamins or my body is rebelling and I am considering stopping as I

just feel overall lousy.... Should I have shown detox symptoms at 6.25 of

iodoral as I read most people on the site are on a much larger dosage then that.

I really want to continue with this because i believe I need the iodine but

don't like the way I am feeling right now. Would appreciate any help.

>

> Patty

>

March 3, 2011

The daily salt amount is discussed in Section 3 of the New Member document in

the Files.

Salt Loading Protocol is discussed in 7 of the New Member document in the Files.

Your question about aches and pains is too broad ... did you have them before

salt loading? Before the iodine protocol? Are you on the complete protocol

including all of the supporting nutrients?

> >

> > Hi Patty,

> > sometimes folks feel better at a higher dose than 6.25 mgs which is a

pretty low dose. Also, the 1/2 tsp of celtic salt in 8 oz water and followed by

12 oz water, is salt loading. To be done when you have detox symptoms. Your post