Niacin

[Guest guest]

> I decided to take a Niacin supplement (100 mg, I think) for my

> cholesterol, and it's also supposed to help with fear. I took my

> first yesterday, and noticed my face was a bit warm and I itched

for

> awhile. Then today after I took it, my face was in red blotches

and

> I itched terribly for about 1/2 hour. I looked up the side

effects,

> and they are the side effects of Niacin. Has anyone else tried

> Niacin, and did the side effects diminish?

>

> Kathy

Hi Kathy,

I am new here and was reading through the posts. Your reaction to

the niacin in normal. Some people are more sensitive to it than

others. There is niacinamide which is another form of B-3 that may

not cause the flushing. Essentially they do the same thing. Research

it and see if maybe that would help.

na

[Guest guest]

I don't think I overdosed, I only took 1 of the smallest dose they

had at the vitamin store. It's vitamin b3. I have looked up the

side effects, and itching and flushing are some of them. I've

stopped taking them till I decide what to do. I took it for my

cholesterol, but a book I'm reading about treating depression

naturally says that it helps with fear. I did feel I had more energy

on it.

Kathy

> I had never heard of Niacin helping with fear? Is it a B vitamin?

I

> know B vitamins are supposed to be good for depression. But

remember

> you can overdose on vitamins so it sounds like you might be having

a

> reaction. It's a sign that you probably shouldn't take so much of

> it! Love Charisse

[Guest guest]

Alan,

Its whatever works for you that counts (colonics). Many solutions that work

for me may make others sick, and vice-versa.

My niacin regimen is based on Dr. Abram Hoffer's (psychiatrist) extensive

nutritional research he has done for past 50 years. Originally he used it

for old people who started getting senile - and often they recover back to

normal. It provides nutrition to the brain at a celular level, and prevents

and helps with many types of neurological conditions. His largest base of

patients had severe schizophrenia, and are now living normal lives free of

the symptoms. Dr. Hoffer is the president of the schizophrenia association

in our area. I don't have schizophrenia, but sometimes felt a bit nuts

dealing with mercury symptoms.

Dr. Hoffer is 85 years old, and was around when people used to often get

poisoned by mercury in factories. They would get severe mercury poisoning,

and end up with neurological symptoms, and arrive at his office looking for

answers. He discovered that niacin helps tremendously with mercury in many

ways, from nourishing brain, to supporting thyroid and other glands, and

helping to detox mercury by being a precursor to glutathione - our bodies

natural cleansing system.

In recent years he has noticed many people get relief with electrical

sensitivity.

I started out with 500mg, 3 times/day. I am not clear what his formula was

for the dosage. I did get extreme niacin flush the first few days on it.

At first it scared me, but quickly got used to the feeling. After two days

the flushes were reduced to almost nothing. I immediately noticed a

reduction in electrical sensitivity around low EMF devices like my laptop

computer 12 " lcd screen. My moods balanced out and I had reduced anxiety.

I still have strong ES symptoms around computer CRT monitors or TV sets, but

I recover from the symptoms much more rapidly just by getting away from the

source.

I went for two months on niacin, getting back to feeling as normal as I have

in about 6 years. Then I had a very tramatic event (seperation from wife),

and I started feeling some depression setting in, and started taking more

niacin. My depression was reduced almost immediately. I called Dr. Hoffer

to make sure it was okay to be increasing my dosage, and he told me I could

double it with no problems. So I'm on 1000mg, 3 times/day now. I take

Safeway Select Niacin (yeast free) in 500mg pills. Its cheap (about

$10/month).

On top of that he put me on 25mg folic acid once/day, Chromium, Selenium,

Vitamin C, Vitamin E, and Vitamin D. He told me to continue with whatever I

was taking that was working for me, which in my case is USANA vitamins and

nutrition shakes. USANA products have helped me tremendously with energy

levels and clarity of mind. People notice a big change in my overall

health, and I've lost some weight as a bonus.

The only warnings I have relate to people with diabetes, since niacin can

impact insulin levels, so close monitoring with doctor is required.

The other negative report, that many doctors claim is that niacin is bad for

the liver, that it reduces liver enzyme production, and that once off niacin

the enzyne production stays low. Dr. Hoffer claims that opposite occurs,

and of his hundreds of patients on niacin, non have had any liver problems.

Dr. Hoffer says that niacin messes with the actual liver test, so the tests

fail and make it look like liver is failing, but it was the test that

failed.

Dr. Hoffer says niacin is the key to longevity, and has a large circle of

old people some over 100 years old, all on his niacin program. I expect to

continue taking it for the rest of my life now that I've experienced the

huge benefits. Especially in our toxic world, where I need everything I can

get to protect myself.

I am curious if any other ES sufferers have tried niacin megadosing and how

it worked for them?

Regards,

Glenn

>From: " abailey63 " <abailey63@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Current Circumstances, Sun sensitivity, IV chelation,

>NAET desensitization

>Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:57:43 -0000

>

>

>

>Glenn,

> You have been doing some great work on research and recovery. I have

>pretty severe MCS and EMS brought on by a pesticide exposure. I

>actually did some detox through physician directed colonics. Please

>don't everyone freak out on me. I get way negative reactions in

>general when I mention colonics in the MCS community. I'm not

>espousing this for treatment. I did get some positive results when

>nothing else worked. I'm just sharing my experience. And I have had a

>history of bowel problems from years of antibiotic use.

>

>I had a bad reaction to dmsa treatment after the sixth week but it

>greatly reduced my mecury and lead levels. Again only my experience. I

>was interested in finding out about your niacin regimen. What kinds

>and dosages are you using. Is it physician directed? Is it time

>release, no flush? Is it chelated? What brands are you using?

>

>Overall I've made enough of a recovery to work part time. But I have

>to be very careful. And my health and energy are way up and down. And

>I know that I am one exposure away from going downhill fast again.

>

>Thanks, Alan

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Glenn,

How much do you take? My only fear is that I thought I'd read something about

it not being a good thing for people to take if their liver was already

stressed?

M.

Re: Current Circumstances, Sun sensitivity, IV chelation,

>NAET desensitization

>Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:57:43 -0000

>

>

>

>Glenn,

> You have been doing some great work on research and recovery. I have

>pretty severe MCS and EMS brought on by a pesticide exposure. I

>actually did some detox through physician directed colonics. Please

>don't everyone freak out on me. I get way negative reactions in

>general when I mention colonics in the MCS community. I'm not

>espousing this for treatment. I did get some positive results when

>nothing else worked. I'm just sharing my experience. And I have had a

>history of bowel problems from years of antibiotic use.

>

>I had a bad reaction to dmsa treatment after the sixth week but it

>greatly reduced my mecury and lead levels. Again only my experience. I

>was interested in finding out about your niacin regimen. What kinds

>and dosages are you using. Is it physician directed? Is it time

>release, no flush? Is it chelated? What brands are you using?

>

>Overall I've made enough of a recovery to work part time. But I have

>to be very careful. And my health and energy are way up and down. And

>I know that I am one exposure away from going downhill fast again.

>

>Thanks, Alan

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Glenn,

Thanks for the detailed info. I am familiar with Hoffers work. I

just never would have thought to apply it to ES. Have is he your

doctor? Have you talked to him?

I think I'm kind of in a weird situation in that I have both MCS

and ES. My MCS is far worse but the ES has kept my computer work to a

minimum and don't get me near a blender.

I guess I'm living proof that MCS and ES are related phenomena. I

also think that these to conditions are immune system, toxic load

related.

I'm currently looking for a doctor to treat me. The problem that I

have is there is such a disparity between naturopathic and allopathic

(Western) treatments. I think at this point I need a some of both.

Thanks, Alan

[Guest guest]

Hi Alan,

I was referred to Dr. Hoffer by my alternative medical doctor. For me,

since I am on long-term disability, I had to have a psychiatrist or loose my

disability. I had abandoned psychiatrists since they just wanted to fill me

with anti-anxiety or anti-depressants, which were like adding gasoline to

fire, when they mixed with mercury in my body.

Dr. Hoffer is the only psychiatrist I have ever heard of that treats illness

purely with nutrition (except for extreme cases where warranted). I didn't

know what to expect when I saw Dr. Hoffer, and all I can say is that there

must have been some greater power working for me to get the results I did.

I felt like I was on a different planet to have a psychiatrist recommend a

vitamin program to help me with depression, mercury symptoms, and thyroid

disfunction. Then for it to work like magic was something else.

Dr. Hoffer seems like a genius when it comes to vitamin therapy, given the

huge relief he provides for so many patients.

He definitely bridges the gap between naturopathic and allopathic (Western)

treatments, understanding and using both in his practice.

I only visited him once, for about an hour, to get onto the program I am

now, to get great results. I saw him a second time, where we just increased

my niacin dosage to deal with higher levels of stress in my life (to avoid

depression). So it was not like typical Psychiatrists where they want to

see me often.

I really hope that other doctors around the world take notice of Dr.

Hoffer's work. His work has been dismissed by many doctors since the

creation of modern psychotic drugs by big pharma took over in the 60's.

Right when Dr. Hoffer and his team had his major discoveries with niacin,

other breakthroughs in psychotic drugs took place, so his research was

dismissed in favour if these new drugs. The evidence speaks for itself as

to which methods are more favourable.

Glenn

>From: " abailey63 " <abailey63@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Niacin

>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:38:59 -0000

>

>

>

>Glenn,

> Thanks for the detailed info. I am familiar with Hoffers work. I

>just never would have thought to apply it to ES. Have is he your

>doctor? Have you talked to him?

> I think I'm kind of in a weird situation in that I have both MCS

>and ES. My MCS is far worse but the ES has kept my computer work to a

>minimum and don't get me near a blender.

> I guess I'm living proof that MCS and ES are related phenomena. I

>also think that these to conditions are immune system, toxic load

>related.

>

> I'm currently looking for a doctor to treat me. The problem that I

>have is there is such a disparity between naturopathic and allopathic

>(Western) treatments. I think at this point I need a some of both.

>

>Thanks, Alan

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes you were lucky. Although there are a few other psych's that do

vitamin therapy. I know of one outside Boston. I forget is Dr. Hoffer

in CT or somewhere else.

I wish I were on disability. Right now I am eating into my

savings. My big issue is sleep. I go through periods usually when I'm

more toxic where I just can't sleep and it kills me. I've tried the

various herbal stuff but it doesn't do anything for me.

I went through the nightmare of traditional psych's and SSRI's.

Which I don't do well. I get migraines. Turns out I was being poisoned

with diazinon, which is why I wasn't sleeping. Unfortunately I found

out too late and was not able to prove it scientificly.

I'm going to add niacin and also possibly milk thistle which is a

powerful antioxident and see what happens. I have tested low for

tryptophan production but I can't take it because it gives me

headaches too. Seems like my serotonin pathways are screwy.

Here's a link on niacin from a Canadian group. Good basic intro to

types of niacin and risks.

www.catie.ca/pdf/supple-e/niacin_e.pdf

Thanks, Alan

> Hi Alan,

>

> I was referred to Dr. Hoffer by my alternative medical doctor. For me,

> since I am on long-term disability, I had to have a psychiatrist or

loose my

> disability. I had abandoned psychiatrists since they just wanted to

fill me

> with anti-anxiety or anti-depressants, which were like adding

gasoline to

> fire, when they mixed with mercury in my body.

>

> Dr. Hoffer is the only psychiatrist I have ever heard of that treats

illness

> purely with nutrition (except for extreme cases where warranted). I

didn't

> know what to expect when I saw Dr. Hoffer, and all I can say is that

there

> must have been some greater power working for me to get the results

I did.

> I felt like I was on a different planet to have a psychiatrist

recommend a

> vitamin program to help me with depression, mercury symptoms, and

thyroid

> disfunction. Then for it to work like magic was something else.

>

> Dr. Hoffer seems like a genius when it comes to vitamin therapy,

given the

> huge relief he provides for so many patients.

>

> He definitely bridges the gap between naturopathic and allopathic

(Western)

> treatments, understanding and using both in his practice.

>

> I only visited him once, for about an hour, to get onto the program

I am

> now, to get great results. I saw him a second time, where we just

increased

> my niacin dosage to deal with higher levels of stress in my life (to

avoid

> depression). So it was not like typical Psychiatrists where they

want to

> see me often.

>

> I really hope that other doctors around the world take notice of Dr.

> Hoffer's work. His work has been dismissed by many doctors since the

> creation of modern psychotic drugs by big pharma took over in the

60's.

> Right when Dr. Hoffer and his team had his major discoveries with

niacin,

> other breakthroughs in psychotic drugs took place, so his research was

> dismissed in favour if these new drugs. The evidence speaks for

itself as

> to which methods are more favourable.

>

> Glenn

>

>

> >From: " abailey63 " <abailey63@y...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: Niacin

> >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:38:59 -0000

> >

> >

> >

> >Glenn,

> > Thanks for the detailed info. I am familiar with Hoffers work. I

> >just never would have thought to apply it to ES. Have is he your

> >doctor? Have you talked to him?

> > I think I'm kind of in a weird situation in that I have both MCS

> >and ES. My MCS is far worse but the ES has kept my computer work to a

> >minimum and don't get me near a blender.

> > I guess I'm living proof that MCS and ES are related phenomena. I

> >also think that these to conditions are immune system, toxic load

> >related.

> >

> > I'm currently looking for a doctor to treat me. The problem that I

> >have is there is such a disparity between naturopathic and allopathic

> >(Western) treatments. I think at this point I need a some of both.

> >

> >Thanks, Alan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Alan,

Thanks for the link on niacin...

Dr. Hoffer is in , British Columbia, Canada.

Have you been tested for heavy metals like mercury?

The Rea Clinic in Dallas Texas treats ES patients the same way as MCS

patients, so absolutely seems like a direct link between the two. I suspect

the link is heavy metals. I don't necessarily recommend this clinic since

it costs far too much (like most clinics that specialize in this field).

I had some sleep problems myself, and when I plugged in a Quantum Home power

conditioner my sleep problems dissapeared (www.quantumproducts.com).

Suddenly I slept better at night, but also required less sleep to have great

energy in the morning. The device reduces the EMF given off by power wires

and appliances in a home.

My theory as to why my sleep improved comes from Dr. Cherry in New Zealand,

who has scientific evidence that electro magnetic fields mess with our

bodies internal cleansing system melatonin, and our body doesn't get a

proper cleaning at night (so free radicals that our body normally cleans,

end up free to cause damage). My sleep pattern changed overnight the moment

I plugged in the Quantum Home.

Another tool I used to overcome the side effects of SSRI's is Immunocal

HMS-90 Cysteine system (www.viruscontrols.com). It provided great relief of

headaches and sinus pain, when I was on SSRI's and on the long journey

getting off. Bioenergy work like Shiatsu was also hugely benefitial to get

me grounded and feel much better for short periods of time. I finally

bought a Aqua Chi Machine, which helped to keep my bodies vital energies in

order. Then became a pranic healer so I could give myself energy treatments

without using electricity.

Regards,

Glenn

>From: " abailey63 " <abailey63@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Niacin

>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:58:19 -0000

>

>

>

>Yes you were lucky. Although there are a few other psych's that do

>vitamin therapy. I know of one outside Boston. I forget is Dr. Hoffer

>in CT or somewhere else.

> I wish I were on disability. Right now I am eating into my

>savings. My big issue is sleep. I go through periods usually when I'm

>more toxic where I just can't sleep and it kills me. I've tried the

>various herbal stuff but it doesn't do anything for me.

> I went through the nightmare of traditional psych's and SSRI's.

>Which I don't do well. I get migraines. Turns out I was being poisoned

>with diazinon, which is why I wasn't sleeping. Unfortunately I found

>out too late and was not able to prove it scientificly.

>

>I'm going to add niacin and also possibly milk thistle which is a

>powerful antioxident and see what happens. I have tested low for

>tryptophan production but I can't take it because it gives me

>headaches too. Seems like my serotonin pathways are screwy.

>

>Here's a link on niacin from a Canadian group. Good basic intro to

>types of niacin and risks.

>

>www.catie.ca/pdf/supple-e/niacin_e.pdf

>

>Thanks, Alan

>

>

> > Hi Alan,

> >

> > I was referred to Dr. Hoffer by my alternative medical doctor. For me,

> > since I am on long-term disability, I had to have a psychiatrist or

>loose my

> > disability. I had abandoned psychiatrists since they just wanted to

>fill me

> > with anti-anxiety or anti-depressants, which were like adding

>gasoline to

> > fire, when they mixed with mercury in my body.

> >

> > Dr. Hoffer is the only psychiatrist I have ever heard of that treats

>illness

> > purely with nutrition (except for extreme cases where warranted). I

>didn't

> > know what to expect when I saw Dr. Hoffer, and all I can say is that

>there

> > must have been some greater power working for me to get the results

>I did.

> > I felt like I was on a different planet to have a psychiatrist

>recommend a

> > vitamin program to help me with depression, mercury symptoms, and

>thyroid

> > disfunction. Then for it to work like magic was something else.

> >

> > Dr. Hoffer seems like a genius when it comes to vitamin therapy,

>given the

> > huge relief he provides for so many patients.

> >

> > He definitely bridges the gap between naturopathic and allopathic

>(Western)

> > treatments, understanding and using both in his practice.

> >

> > I only visited him once, for about an hour, to get onto the program

>I am

> > now, to get great results. I saw him a second time, where we just

>increased

> > my niacin dosage to deal with higher levels of stress in my life (to

>avoid

> > depression). So it was not like typical Psychiatrists where they

>want to

> > see me often.

> >

> > I really hope that other doctors around the world take notice of Dr.

> > Hoffer's work. His work has been dismissed by many doctors since the

> > creation of modern psychotic drugs by big pharma took over in the

>60's.

> > Right when Dr. Hoffer and his team had his major discoveries with

>niacin,

> > other breakthroughs in psychotic drugs took place, so his research was

> > dismissed in favour if these new drugs. The evidence speaks for

>itself as

> > to which methods are more favourable.

> >

> > Glenn

> >

> >

> > >From: " abailey63 " <abailey63@y...>

> > >Reply-

> > >

> > >Subject: Re: Niacin

> > >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:38:59 -0000

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Glenn,

> > > Thanks for the detailed info. I am familiar with Hoffers work. I

> > >just never would have thought to apply it to ES. Have is he your

> > >doctor? Have you talked to him?

> > > I think I'm kind of in a weird situation in that I have both MCS

> > >and ES. My MCS is far worse but the ES has kept my computer work to a

> > >minimum and don't get me near a blender.

> > > I guess I'm living proof that MCS and ES are related phenomena. I

> > >also think that these to conditions are immune system, toxic load

> > >related.

> > >

> > > I'm currently looking for a doctor to treat me. The problem that I

> > >have is there is such a disparity between naturopathic and allopathic

> > >(Western) treatments. I think at this point I need a some of both.

> > >

> > >Thanks, Alan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Glenn,

Interesting. I was actually treated by a naturopath in Phoenix, Dr

Walter Crinnion. He specializes in MCS, EI, toxicity etc. He is very

well known amoung naturopaths but no where else. He taught the EI

classes at Bastyr and gives clinics around the country. He also

actually created a number of the formulas with Thorne (Basic Detox,

Solvent Remover, and others). Put in Crinnion and Thorne in google

and you'll see.

I have to say he brought be back from the brink. I was treated at

the Southwest Natorpathic medical center in phoenix (kind of like

Bastyr southwest). I did a boatload of colonics and lots of Dr.

perscribed supplements. After I stabilized (I was too sick to do

anything more) I was then tested for heavy metals (DMSA challenge, 6

hour urine). Came out pretty high on lead and mercury. Did 6 weeks of

DMSA which was rough. I had a bad reaction the DMSA after 6 weeks.

Mouth sores, fever. It was bad so I stopped. Was tested after 5 weeks

and my mercury was within the normal reference range and lead was just

about normal. I have to pick this up again, because this is a very

short chelation. Crinnion had me doing 5 days on 9 days off on a

reduced dosage of Thorne's captomer 250.

My one complaint with Crinnion is that especially at the end of my

treatment he wasn't around a whole lot. He was always on the road. But

I will say he knew his stuff.

I was also treated by 2 EI docs in massachusetts when I was there.

They were members of AAEM. But they just made me worse (bad reaction

to Meyer's IV). And they gave the impression that they were perplexed

by my condition. That I shouldn't be reacting the way I was. Whereas I

was very very sick when I walked into Dr. Crinnion and I immediately

got the sense that he had " been there and done that " . He had seen my

situation before. I was reacting to everything, sleeing outside on

slap of concrete because I could'nt tolerate anything else. I do feel

they are some limitations to his protocol however.

I'm now in Seattle, ironically not far from BC. But I'm looking for

docs. I'm very wary about working with someone. The best known in this

area is a Dr. Buscher in Seattle. But I just don't get a good vibe

from his practice.

So far I've had a CDSA 2 (shows I have candida), an enzyme test

(low in tryptophan, taurine (sign of toxicity)), hair analysis (IMHO

not very useful), liver toxicity test (was normal, Great smokies). I

definitely am going to have a Sprectracell metabolism test. It seems

worth doing. BTW a number of these tests (not the hair analysis) I had

to push the Doctors for which to me is sad.

I've radically changed my diet (Don't eat crap). Also I can work

part time on a computer thanks to the springlifes. And it just so

happens I have a quantum home on order. I'm in a complex and I think

power is an issue here. I'm familiar with Dr. Rea as well but its way

expensive and I only have catastrophic insurance.

My profession is/was computer integration and was consulting as

well. I get the sense we have similar approaches to problems. I

greatly appreciate your insight into your treatment approaches.

Thanks, Alan

[Guest guest]

Alan,

It is definitely a complex puzzle, and difficult to tell which doctor's

methods to follow. I've finally started listening to my subconsious to tell

me which way to go - and it has been very accurate in guiding my path. It

is really tough though to figure out which way to go when in a frenzy being

clobbered by mercury. I found bioenergy work to be my greatest relief in

those situations.

It is most interesting as we learn about each others methods, and steadily

make progress adopting different methods. I read posts from people who just

joined the group a few months ago, and already they are making huge progress

from their learnings in this list. Better than what we get from most

doctors. Thanks Marc for creating this list!

Regarding Quantum Home, for myself, I have only been able to use it at its

lowest setting, or just a tiny bit higher. Anything beyond that and I feel

electrical tension and my EMF actually gets worse.

I was a computer specialist as well, working on large corporate computer

operations.

Over the past 4 years while on disability, I attempted to stay up to date on

computer technology, by going on internet periodically, and reading

magazines. The end result was I became fascinated by leading-edge website

copywriting, since it seemed to pop up everywhere I went on the internet.

It still includes using new methods and technologies, so is just as exciting

as computer integration.

Now that I'm able to work in front of a LCD monitor, I'm launching a new

career in website copywriting. Things look very promising already. I've

just started formal training, and I already have 4 customers interested in

my services. People are creating big cashflows from thin air with cleverly

crafted websites. Its like a gold-rush for people willing to get good at

copywriting - there are very sound methods for anyone to learn how to do an

excellent job of it, with very little effort. Its like setting up cash

machines all over the internet, with my bank account the beneficiary.

Another nice thing about internet copywriting is working at my own schedule,

so when I feel sick I can delay work as necessary. And when I'm not

working, websites keep on going generating income. I'm also able to spend

extended periods with my son and be available for him as much as possible.

I just thought I would mention it since you mentioned you are also a

computer integrator with EMF challenges.

I learned a special meditation that has created positive results anytime I

have used it. It has completely changed my life. I use it to program my

subconsious and to communicate to the spiritual world to attract my

intensions. It is by Wayne Dyer, called " Morning meditation for

manifestation " . It is so simple that it doesn't seem possible that it could

achieve what it does. It is just a matter of making the sound or mantra

" Ah " for the length of a full breath, all the while imagining what you want

to create. Do it for about 20 minutes over/over, a few times a week or

durring challenging times, and miracles start happening. I've caused

results to happen that just didn't seem possible. Like meditating hoping I

would get a job with a company, and later ending up in the wrong job

interview at the company, and winning twice as good a job. And meditating

that I wanted somebody to stop suffering from lung cancer, and suddenly they

passed away like magic.

All the best finding just the right doctor to guide you on your path,

Glenn

>From: " abailey63 " <abailey63@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Niacin

>Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:24:24 -0000

>

>

>Glenn,

> Interesting. I was actually treated by a naturopath in Phoenix, Dr

>Walter Crinnion. He specializes in MCS, EI, toxicity etc. He is very

>well known amoung naturopaths but no where else. He taught the EI

>classes at Bastyr and gives clinics around the country. He also

>actually created a number of the formulas with Thorne (Basic Detox,

>Solvent Remover, and others). Put in Crinnion and Thorne in google

>and you'll see.

>

> I have to say he brought be back from the brink. I was treated at

>the Southwest Natorpathic medical center in phoenix (kind of like

>Bastyr southwest). I did a boatload of colonics and lots of Dr.

>perscribed supplements. After I stabilized (I was too sick to do

>anything more) I was then tested for heavy metals (DMSA challenge, 6

>hour urine). Came out pretty high on lead and mercury. Did 6 weeks of

>DMSA which was rough. I had a bad reaction the DMSA after 6 weeks.

>Mouth sores, fever. It was bad so I stopped. Was tested after 5 weeks

>and my mercury was within the normal reference range and lead was just

>about normal. I have to pick this up again, because this is a very

>short chelation. Crinnion had me doing 5 days on 9 days off on a

>reduced dosage of Thorne's captomer 250.

>

> My one complaint with Crinnion is that especially at the end of my

>treatment he wasn't around a whole lot. He was always on the road. But

>I will say he knew his stuff.

>

> I was also treated by 2 EI docs in massachusetts when I was there.

>They were members of AAEM. But they just made me worse (bad reaction

>to Meyer's IV). And they gave the impression that they were perplexed

>by my condition. That I shouldn't be reacting the way I was. Whereas I

>was very very sick when I walked into Dr. Crinnion and I immediately

>got the sense that he had " been there and done that " . He had seen my

>situation before. I was reacting to everything, sleeing outside on

>slap of concrete because I could'nt tolerate anything else. I do feel

>they are some limitations to his protocol however.

>

> I'm now in Seattle, ironically not far from BC. But I'm looking for

>docs. I'm very wary about working with someone. The best known in this

>area is a Dr. Buscher in Seattle. But I just don't get a good vibe

>from his practice.

>

> So far I've had a CDSA 2 (shows I have candida), an enzyme test

>(low in tryptophan, taurine (sign of toxicity)), hair analysis (IMHO

>not very useful), liver toxicity test (was normal, Great smokies). I

>definitely am going to have a Sprectracell metabolism test. It seems

>worth doing. BTW a number of these tests (not the hair analysis) I had

>to push the Doctors for which to me is sad.

>

> I've radically changed my diet (Don't eat crap). Also I can work

>part time on a computer thanks to the springlifes. And it just so

>happens I have a quantum home on order. I'm in a complex and I think

>power is an issue here. I'm familiar with Dr. Rea as well but its way

>expensive and I only have catastrophic insurance.

>

> My profession is/was computer integration and was consulting as

>well. I get the sense we have similar approaches to problems. I

>greatly appreciate your insight into your treatment approaches.

>

>Thanks, Alan

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/18/2005 6:54:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

sharonferris@... writes:

Any comments? (Other than be 100% compliant.)

What is your family history? I knew some folks who were spry and lived well

into their 90s who consistently had cholesterol levels over 400. Maybe yours

is supposed to be a little high.

[Guest guest]

Has anyone ever tried niacin (B3 I think) to lower cholesterol? My cholesterol

level is on the cusp for drugs and I refuse to take pharmaceuticals unless

absolutely necessary. (Good cholesterol is really high, bad is sort of high,

triclycerides are high, ratio is under recommended for mediation). Can't give

readings because they are measured differently in Canada and you wouldn't know

what it meant.

I know everyone will say if you follow the BTD that it will solve it, but I

don't always follow it with 100% compliance. My doctor has even agreed that it

would be good to try niacin.

Any comments? (Other than be 100% compliant.)

Regards,

Sharon (Ontario) Canada

Re: Re: How old is my baby?

> Neither did some of my type 'O's !

> One of them only had 3 hrs a night until he was 5 (

>

> )

> Be a Transformer, Not a Conformer,

> Observe the Masses, And then do the Opposite !

>

> http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don't worry about your cholesterol. You don't have to take drugs if you don't

want to. They are not absolutely necessary.

Take niacin if you like, but take a B complex with it.

Re: Re: How old is my baby?

> Neither did some of my type 'O's !

> One of them only had 3 hrs a night until he was 5 (

>

> )

> Be a Transformer, Not a Conformer,

> Observe the Masses, And then do the Opposite !

>

> http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sharon Ferris wrote:

> Any comments? (Other than be 100% compliant.)

* Extra-virgin olive oil, 1 teaspoon 5 times a day.

* Scrap the saturated fat.

* Fish oil daily.

* No sugar or artificial anything.

* Lots of pigment (parsley, turmeric, curry, spinach, red pepper etc)

* Low carbs.

* Rice bran fiber 1Tbsp a day.

This dropped my LDL by 80 points (2 points Canadian) in 4 months.

....Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

I'm taking it. It's known to help cholesteral and stop buildup of plaque in the

arteries. It's also know to remove plaque (that buildup that clogs the

arteries). Since Arterial Sclerosis runs in my family I'll take this as long as

it takes to do what needs to be done. My doctor started meout with 50 mg. 2x

daily with meals. Every 2 weeks I increase by 50 until I reach 250. Then I'll

take half a 500 mg 2X daily for 2 weeks, 500, then 1000. Then increase to 3X

daily with meals.

What did your doctor say about it? Some doctors put people staight onto the full

strength 1000 a day twice a day.

Re: Re: How old is my baby?

> Neither did some of my type 'O's !

> One of them only had 3 hrs a night until he was 5 (

>

> )

> Be a Transformer, Not a Conformer,

> Observe the Masses, And then do the Opposite !

>

> http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My mom lived to be 96-1/2 and lived on her own until she was around 93. She

took niacin that her doctor gave her back in the 80's but I didn't know then

what it was for. He also had her taking an aspirin a day long before it was

common to do that.

My dad died at 75 but he had been injured 20 years prior in an industrial

accident was never well after that.

Maybe you are right. The doctor was amazed at how high my good cholesterol was

- way over normal. Don't know what that means.

Re: Re: Niacin

In a message dated 2/18/2005 6:54:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

sharonferris@... writes:

Any comments? (Other than be 100% compliant.)

What is your family history? I knew some folks who were spry and lived well

into their 90s who consistently had cholesterol levels over 400. Maybe yours

is supposed to be a little high.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Irene. Looks like you know Canadian measurements. What is the

conversion? I used to know it but can't find the information now.

Re: Re: Niacin

Sharon Ferris wrote:

> Any comments? (Other than be 100% compliant.)

* Extra-virgin olive oil, 1 teaspoon 5 times a day.

* Scrap the saturated fat.

* Fish oil daily.

* No sugar or artificial anything.

* Lots of pigment (parsley, turmeric, curry, spinach, red pepper etc)

* Low carbs.

* Rice bran fiber 1Tbsp a day.

This dropped my LDL by 80 points (2 points Canadian) in 4 months.

...Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

I already take a B complex plus 100 gm of B6.

Re: Re: How old is my baby?

> Neither did some of my type 'O's !

> One of them only had 3 hrs a night until he was 5 (

>

> )

> Be a Transformer, Not a Conformer,

> Observe the Masses, And then do the Opposite !

>

> http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can't remember what she said. I have it written down but haven't study the

dosage yet or gone to the health food store.

Did you have flushing from it? I hear that is a side effect, although I saw

some in the health food store that said it didn't cause flushing.

After getting over hot flashes, I am not sure I want to go through the flushing.

Re: Re: How old is my baby?

> Neither did some of my type 'O's !

> One of them only had 3 hrs a night until he was 5 (

>

> )

> Be a Transformer, Not a Conformer,

> Observe the Masses, And then do the Opposite !

>

> http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sharon Ferris wrote:

> Thanks, Irene. Looks like you know Canadian measurements.

> What is the conversion?

Factor of 38.7

....Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Sharon Ferris wrote:

> Did you have flushing from it? I hear that is a side effect,

Depends on the form of niacin.

My turn to forget which form causes the flushing response.

:-)

.....Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

If I hav enough to eat before I take it, I don't have a problem with flushing.

The No Flush kind isn't as effective. If I forget and take it like 30 minutes

later, I flush for about 15 minutes and get hot, but it doesn't seem the same as

a hot flash.

Re: Re: How old is my baby?

> Neither did some of my type 'O's !

> One of them only had 3 hrs a night until he was 5 (

>

> )

> Be a Transformer, Not a Conformer,

> Observe the Masses, And then do the Opposite !

>

> http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lots of good info already and here's mine.

Keep in mind that they have recently lowered the " cusp " of who needs (?) drugs.

They are also learning that there are other things more indicative of heart

disease. Homocysteine, C Reactive Protein and Lipoprotein A. Before drugs I

would have these things checked.

Looks like triglycerides is what you need to worry about the most and that is

more closely related to carbs & sugar.

Meds at this point would probably be more dangerous than your cholesterol.

As for niacin. It can be good. THere is slight risk of high doses hurting the

liver.

Start with low dose and build up. Always take with a meal.

The flushing feels like a prickly sunburn. Doesn't usually last too long.

There is also a new supplement for cholesterol called Policosanol.

KM

Sharon Ferris <sharonferris@...> wrote:

Has anyone ever tried niacin (B3 I think) to lower cholesterol? My cholesterol

level is on the cusp for drugs and I refuse to take pharmaceuticals unless

absolutely necessary. (Good cholesterol is really high, bad is sort of high,

triclycerides are high, ratio is under recommended for mediation). Can't give

readings because they are measured differently in Canada and you wouldn't know

what it meant.

I know everyone will say if you follow the BTD that it will solve it, but I

don't always follow it with 100% compliance. My doctor has even agreed that it

would be good to try niacin.

Any comments? (Other than be 100% compliant.)

Regards,

Sharon (Ontario) Canada

Re: Re: How old is my baby?

> Neither did some of my type 'O's !

> One of them only had 3 hrs a night until he was 5 (

>

> )

> Be a Transformer, Not a Conformer,

> Observe the Masses, And then do the Opposite !

>

> http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Irene,

Do you mean that you multiply the Canadian measurement by 38.7 or do you

multiply the American measurement by 38.7?

I am mathematically challenged.

Sharon

Re: Re: Niacin

Sharon Ferris wrote:

> Thanks, Irene. Looks like you know Canadian measurements.

> What is the conversion?

Factor of 38.7

...Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Sharon Ferris wrote:

> Irene,

>

> Do you mean that you multiply the Canadian measurement by 38.7

Yes to convert Canadian to American.

> or do you multiply the American measurement by 38.7?

Divide American by 38.7 to get Canadian.

....Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.