Niacin

February 20, 2005

Thanks, Irene. That is what I wanted, and thanks for all the other great

in-sight and information.

Re: Re: Niacin

Sharon Ferris wrote:

> Irene,

>

> Do you mean that you multiply the Canadian measurement by 38.7

Yes to convert Canadian to American.

> or do you multiply the American measurement by 38.7?

Divide American by 38.7 to get Canadian.

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February 20, 2005

The doctor just looked up the dosage that it said and, yes, it was the full

dosage. She didn't suggest starting out with a lesser dose, but then, she also

knew that I would go to the health food store to buy it and ask advice about it

because it was my idea, not hers.

I think I will try the doses that you are doing and see what happens.

Thanks, .

Re: Re: How old is my baby?

> Neither did some of my type 'O's !

> One of them only had 3 hrs a night until he was 5 (

>

> )

> Be a Transformer, Not a Conformer,

> Observe the Masses, And then do the Opposite !

>

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>

February 20, 2005

I don't remember if I memtioned to take it with meals.

Re: Re: How old is my baby?

> Neither did some of my type 'O's !

> One of them only had 3 hrs a night until he was 5 (

>

> )

> Be a Transformer, Not a Conformer,

> Observe the Masses, And then do the Opposite !

>

> http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/

>

February 20, 2005

Yes, you did. You said that when you forgot to take it with meals, it caused

the flushing.

Re: Re: How old is my baby?

> Neither did some of my type 'O's !

> One of them only had 3 hrs a night until he was 5 (

>

> )

> Be a Transformer, Not a Conformer,

> Observe the Masses, And then do the Opposite !

>

> http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/

>

May 4, 2005

Hi ,

I was never keen on hot flashes so I don't think that I want to try flushing.

Regards,

Sharon

Re: Re: Niacin

Hi,

I take Niacin every morning. I take 100 mg. Call me weird but I personally

like the flushing. Especially during the winter! That way I can feel it working.

For me, it's not uncomfortable .. I'm used to it.

m.

Sharon Ferris <sharonferris@...> wrote:

Hi ,

A while back you said you had started taking niacin, starting with 50 mg. and

increasing gradually to 1000. Did you have problems with side effects (i.e.

flushing)?

May 4, 2005

Thanks, . The Health Food store told me they could probably order it in

smaller amounts if necessary.

Have you found that it has done anything for your cholesterol?

Re: Niacin

Hi ,

A while back you said you had started taking niacin, starting with 50 mg.

and increasing gradually to 1000. Did you have problems with side effects (i.e.

flushing)?

I tried to buy them in my local health food store and the smallest they had

was 500 mg. The lady in the store said that she had taken 100 and that she had

severe flushing that was just horrible.

Was just wondering how you are making out? Also, there are several brands

of non-flushing niacins. Would these be better or is there a problem with

these?

Thanks,

Sharon (Ontario) Canada

May 4, 2005

I'll let you know after the 19th. I go in then to see the doctor after the blood

test the 12th.

Re: Niacin

Hi ,

A while back you said you had started taking niacin, starting with 50 mg.

and increasing gradually to 1000. Did you have problems with side effects (i.e.

flushing)?

I tried to buy them in my local health food store and the smallest they

had was 500 mg. The lady in the store said that she had taken 100 and that she

had severe flushing that was just horrible.

Was just wondering how you are making out? Also, there are several brands

of non-flushing niacins. Would these be better or is there a problem with

these?

Thanks,

Sharon (Ontario) Canada

March 29, 2006

Hi I was interested in what you had to say about non flush Niacin not having all

the benefits of regular flushing niacin.

Please explain?

I am aware of two types of non flush niacin (1) Niacinamide (2) Inositol

Hexiniacinate

Regards

Adam

Niacin

Hiya all

A doc I saw last summer put me on Niacin, 2 grams a day.

This is time release Niacin and I have tolerated this well.

THe flush-free Niacin does not have all the benefits of regular Niacin.

You can also take small amounts of regular Niacin for a while so your body

gets used to it and then slowly increase the size and frequency of dosing. I

did this for my late son..... Niacin four times a day with little flushing or

herxing.

High dose Niacin can be good therapy for a number of issues.

Hope this helps

mouseless MJH a Windows widow

December 7, 2007

Jeannie, my doctor prescribed 500 mg. Niaspan for me and I tolerated it pretty well at first, but with every dose, the "flush" got a little worse. After taking it for two weeks, I was having a delayed reaction, waking up in the middle of the night feeling feverish and itching like crazy all over, for the better part of an hour before it eased off. My doctor thinks since the reaction was delayed that it was more likely that I'd become allergic to it, but in any case, we both agreed it was not for me. But that was totally different from the kind of pain I'd experienced with Lipitor. Are you saying niacin gives you muscle pain? That and peripheral neuropathy (nerve pain) are what I experienced while I was taking Lipitor, and still do to some extent. There are other alternatives to statins: red yeast rice, policosanol, guggul, for instance. Are you sure you even need your cholesterol to be lower? If your doctor is trying to get it under

200, beware. You'd be better off having it a wee bit high than to get it too low. Many doctors have come around to the realization now that a high cholesterol level is only a symptom of the real problem, and that the root cause is inflammation. I discussed guggul just today with my doctor and she gave me the green light to try it. I like the fact that it is good for inflammation while also moderately lowering cholesterol. Don't expect your doctor to know about it though. I printed out information about it and took it to my doctor; you might want to do the same. Here's where I got the info: http://www.answers.com/topic/guggul-1jeannie

williams <zoebelein@...> wrote: Has anyone had the same problems with Niacin that they have with the statins? I went off statin drugs in Sept. I started feeling human by the end of October but decided I needed to take something so I started taking Niacin 500mg.I hurt all over AGAIN!Thanks for any help,Jeannie-----

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December 8, 2007

,

I am experiencing the same type of pain that I had while on the statins, I was just checking everything that I have done differently in the past week. Starting niacin again was the only change. I do need to keep a check on my cholesterol, it had hit the high 300's. I come with family baggage of heart disease and I have a stent and probably need another one.

Thanks for the info, I will check out guggul.

Jeannie

Re: Niacin

Jeannie, my doctor prescribed 500 mg. Niaspan for me and I tolerated it pretty well at first, but with every dose, the "flush" got a little worse. After taking it for two weeks, I was having a delayed reaction, waking up in the middle of the night feeling feverish and itching like crazy all over, for the better part of an hour before it eased off. My doctor thinks since the reaction was delayed that it was more likely that I'd become allergic to it, but in any case, we both agreed it was not for me. But that was totally different from the kind of pain I'd experienced with Lipitor. Are you saying niacin gives you muscle pain? That and peripheral neuropathy (nerve pain) are what I experienced while I was taking Lipitor, and still do to some extent. There are other alternatives to statins: red yeast rice, policosanol, guggul, for instance.

Are you sure you even need your cholesterol to be lower? If your doctor is trying to get it under 200, beware. You'd be better off having it a wee bit high than to get it too low. Many doctors have come around to the realization now that a high cholesterol level is only a symptom of the real problem, and that the root cause is inflammation. I discussed guggul just today with my doctor and she gave me the green light to try it. I like the fact that it is good for inflammation while also moderately lowering cholesterol. Don't expect your doctor to know about it though. I printed out information about it and took it to my doctor; you might want to do the same. Here's where I got the info: http://www.answers. com/topic/ guggul-1jeannie

williams <zoebelein (DOT) com> wrote:

Has anyone had the same problems with Niacin that they have with the statins? I went off statin drugs in Sept. I started feeling human by the end of October but decided I needed to take something so I started taking Niacin 500mg.I hurt all over AGAIN!Thanks for any help,Jeannie----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecu rity.com/ register/ s?user=bmFuY2Fyb DIwNzQ%3D

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December 8, 2007

,

I am experiencing the same type of pain that I had while on the statins, I was just checking everything that I have done differently in the past week. Starting niacin again was the only change. I do need to keep a check on my cholesterol, it had hit the high 300's. I come with family baggage of heart disease and I have a stent and probably need another one.

Thanks for the info, I will check out guggul.

Jeannie

Re: Niacin

Jeannie, my doctor prescribed 500 mg. Niaspan for me and I tolerated it pretty well at first, but with every dose, the "flush" got a little worse. After taking it for two weeks, I was having a delayed reaction, waking up in the middle of the night feeling feverish and itching like crazy all over, for the better part of an hour before it eased off. My doctor thinks since the reaction was delayed that it was more likely that I'd become allergic to it, but in any case, we both agreed it was not for me. But that was totally different from the kind of pain I'd experienced with Lipitor. Are you saying niacin gives you muscle pain? That and peripheral neuropathy (nerve pain) are what I experienced while I was taking Lipitor, and still do to some extent. There are other alternatives to statins: red yeast rice, policosanol, guggul, for instance.

Are you sure you even need your cholesterol to be lower? If your doctor is trying to get it under 200, beware. You'd be better off having it a wee bit high than to get it too low. Many doctors have come around to the realization now that a high cholesterol level is only a symptom of the real problem, and that the root cause is inflammation. I discussed guggul just today with my doctor and she gave me the green light to try it. I like the fact that it is good for inflammation while also moderately lowering cholesterol. Don't expect your doctor to know about it though. I printed out information about it and took it to my doctor; you might want to do the same. Here's where I got the info: http://www.answers. com/topic/ guggul-1jeannie

williams <zoebelein (DOT) com> wrote:

Has anyone had the same problems with Niacin that they have with the statins? I went off statin drugs in Sept. I started feeling human by the end of October but decided I needed to take something so I started taking Niacin 500mg.I hurt all over AGAIN!Thanks for any help,Jeannie----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecu rity.com/ register/ s?user=bmFuY2Fyb DIwNzQ%3D

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December 8, 2007

one of the alternatives suggested to lipitor--red yeast rice --

CONTAINS A STATIN!!! It is lovastatin, and Merck synthesized and

manufactured lovastatin as Mevacor. if one wishes to get away form

statins, taking red yeast rice will not do so.....

December 30, 2007

One word of caution. I was told that Inositol is toxic to the liver

when taken for long periods of time, whereas niacinamide is much less

toxic. As a diabetic, I take a lot of niacinamide. For folks on

much smaller doses, Inositol may not be harmful, but for me, it would

be harmful.

Alobar

On 12/30/07, Happy New Year ~ <brenda.kc@...> wrote:

>

> For the purpose of Detoxifying with iodine Niacinamide

> will not work.

> http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iprotocol.html

>

> If you have problems with Niacin flush the product to

> purchase is called Inositol hexanicontinate

>

> What is IHN?

> When it enters the body, IHN is broken down into its component parts,

releasing niacin into the blood stream. Here it is free to perform its

well-known anticholesterolemic act, which includes inhibited lipolysis, improved

peripheral glucose utilization, and reduced levels of glycolysis products in

serum

>

> The addition of inositol, however, seems to slow the metabolism of the

nicotinate molecules. This has two important beneficial effects:11

>

> It prevents the flush that typically occurs with the rapid introduction of

high doses of niacin, and

> It extends the anticholesterolemic effect of the niacin over a longer period

of time. In one study, it took 10 hours before the maximum effect of an

intravenous dose was reached.

>

> Most of your b-complex vitamins use niacinamide

> therefore you will still need to add niacin and or

> inositol hexanicontinate when using them.

>

http://www.smartbodyz.com/Inositol(1000)hexanicotinate-hexaniacinate-effects-ben\

efits-Dose.htm

> http://www.life-enhancement.com/article_template.asp?ID=7

>

December 30, 2007

Alobar,

This may be said for all niacin products in very high doses.

From: Alobar

One word of caution. I was told that Inositol is toxic to the liver

when taken for long periods of time, whereas niacinamide is much less

toxic. As a diabetic, I take a lot of niacinamide. For folks on

much smaller doses, Inositol may not be harmful, but for me, it would

be harmful.

Alobar

December 30, 2007

Hmmm..Where did you get this info about inositol being toxic to the liver? I have PCOS and know that thousands of women with PCOS regularly take very high levels (grams, not even milligrmas) of inositol, d-chiro inositol and pinitol (turns into inositol in the body) and have for years. It is a powerful insulin sensitizer for those who are insulin resistant like us. Not once in all my research have I heard about any toxicity. Is it specifically toxic to diabetics and if so, I am very curious as to why.

Thank you! :)MarthaOn Dec 30, 2007 1:03 PM, Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote:

One word of caution. I was told that Inositol is toxic to the liver

when taken for long periods of time, whereas niacinamide is much less

toxic. As a diabetic, I take a lot of niacinamide. For folks on

much smaller doses, Inositol may not be harmful, but for me, it would

be harmful.

Alobar

On 12/30/07, Happy New Year ~ <brenda.kc@...> wrote:

>

> For the purpose of Detoxifying with iodine Niacinamide

> will not work.

> http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iprotocol.html

>

> If you have problems with Niacin flush the product to

> purchase is called Inositol hexanicontinate

>

> What is IHN?

> When it enters the body, IHN is broken down into its component parts, releasing niacin into the blood stream. Here it is free to perform its well-known anticholesterolemic act, which includes inhibited lipolysis, improved peripheral glucose utilization, and reduced levels of glycolysis products in serum

>

> The addition of inositol, however, seems to slow the metabolism of the nicotinate molecules. This has two important beneficial effects:11

>

> It prevents the flush that typically occurs with the rapid introduction of high doses of niacin, and

> It extends the anticholesterolemic effect of the niacin over a longer period of time. In one study, it took 10 hours before the maximum effect of an intravenous dose was reached.

>

> Most of your b-complex vitamins use niacinamide

> therefore you will still need to add niacin and or

> inositol hexanicontinate when using them.

>

> http://www.smartbodyz.com/Inositol(1000)hexanicotinate-hexaniacinate-effects-benefits-Dose.htm

> http://www.life-enhancement.com/article_template.asp?ID=7

>

December 30, 2007

I wouldn't take aspirin. It's not good for you. Actually, the niacin 'flush' is VERY therapeutic. What you are experiencing is built up radiation being detoxed from the body. Taking lots of Vitamin C and water will help the detox reactions abate. I take niacin every day. I welcome the flush and all the reactions, even though, at first, they can be alarming. A whole list of reactions can turn on such as nausea, shakes, itching, tiredness, misemotion, etc. Look up radiation poisoning symptoms. You'll see the connection. I did a Purification Program that specifically used niacin, along with many other nutrients, special oils and suana, to detox the body. After the program, fertility/sexual response, was GREATLY improved. (Radiation attacks the reproductive organs.) Durk Pearson recommends niacin to enhance orgasms. PamelaTemple <tatlts@...>

wrote: Thanks for the tip Edith. I told my DH, and he was very pleased to hear there is an antidote if it ever happens again! Temple > > > A friend of mine took a big amount and did go to the ER. The doc said just > to take aspirin to counter it. > > Edith >

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December 30, 2007

Can you give me a reference for you "flushing of radiation". From my studying it for my ND it is flushing out histamine and it is that reaction that is occurring. As you take it over time the histamine levels will drop in it will occur to a lesser degree if not at all.

Re: Re: Niacin

I wouldn't take aspirin. It's not good for you. Actually, the niacin 'flush' is VERY therapeutic. What you are experiencing is built up radiation being detoxed from the body. Taking lots of Vitamin C and water will help the detox reactions abate. I take niacin every day. I welcome the flush and all the reactions, even though, at first, they can be alarming. A whole list of reactions can turn on such as nausea, shakes, itching, tiredness, misemotion, etc. Look up radiation poisoning symptoms. You'll see the connection. I did a Purification Program that specifically used niacin, along with many other nutrients, special oils and suana, to detox the body. After the program, fertility/sexual response, was GREATLY improved. (Radiation attacks the reproductive organs.) Durk Pearson recommends niacin to enhance orgasms. PamelaTemple <tatlts@...> wrote:

Thanks for the tip Edith. I told my DH, and he was very pleased tohear there is an antidote if it ever happens again!Temple> > > A friend of mine took a big amount and did go to the ER. The docsaid just > to take aspirin to counter it.> > Edith>

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December 30, 2007

One more thing - radiation is not a stored toxin like bromide. It is something that occurs ON the cells. It is an action done to them not a substance. What Niacin is doing is healing the ATP of the cells which are your energy powerhouses. It is a Co Factor.

Here are some definitions of Radiation:

Definitions of radiation on the Web:

energy that is radiated or transmitted in the form of rays or waves or particles radiation sickness: syndrome resulting from exposure to ionizing radiation (e.g., exposure to radioactive chemicals or to nuclear explosions); low doses cause diarrhea and nausea and vomiting and sometimes loss of hair; greater exposure can cause sterility and cataracts and some forms of cancer ... the spontaneous emission of a stream of particles or electromagnetic rays in nuclear decay the spread of a group of organisms into new habitats radiotherapy: (medicine) the treatment of disease (especially cancer) by exposure to a radioactive substance

Re: Re: Niacin

I wouldn't take aspirin. It's not good for you. Actually, the niacin 'flush' is VERY therapeutic. What you are experiencing is built up radiation being detoxed from the body. Taking lots of Vitamin C and water will help the detox reactions abate. I take niacin every day. I welcome the flush and all the reactions, even though, at first, they can be alarming. A whole list of reactions can turn on such as nausea, shakes, itching, tiredness, misemotion, etc. Look up radiation poisoning symptoms. You'll see the connection. I did a Purification Program that specifically used niacin, along with many other nutrients, special oils and suana, to detox the body. After the program, fertility/sexual response, was GREATLY improved. (Radiation attacks the reproductive organs.) Durk Pearson recommends niacin to enhance orgasms. PamelaTemple <tatlts@...> wrote:

Thanks for the tip Edith. I told my DH, and he was very pleased tohear there is an antidote if it ever happens again!Temple> > > A friend of mine took a big amount and did go to the ER. The docsaid just > to take aspirin to counter it.> > Edith>

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December 30, 2007

The thing about ANY B VITAMIN is if you take high doses of only one you cause imbalance in the rest of the B Complex. I found that niacin and its milder form niacinamide to be very drying for skin. Those flushes are opening blood vessels. I had dry bumps show up on skin. When I stopped taking niacin they eventually went away.

I have to say Iodine has been a god send.

-- Re: Niacin

Alobar,

This may be said for all niacin products in very high doses.

From: Alobar

One word of caution. I was told that Inositol is toxic to the liver

when taken for long periods of time, whereas niacinamide is much less

toxic. As a diabetic, I take a lot of niacinamide. For folks on

much smaller doses, Inositol may not be harmful, but for me, it would

be harmful.

Alobar

December 31, 2007

I read it in a post to Alternative Medicine Forum. I do not have web references, but the person appeared to knowledgable about the subject matter.

Alobar

On 12/30/07, M C <marthanyc@...> wrote:

Hmmm..Where did you get this info about inositol being toxic to the liver? I have PCOS and know that thousands of women with PCOS regularly take very high levels (grams, not even milligrmas) of inositol, d-chiro inositol and pinitol (turns into inositol in the body) and have for years. It is a powerful insulin sensitizer for those who are insulin resistant like us. Not once in all my research have I heard about any toxicity. Is it specifically toxic to diabetics and if so, I am very curious as to why. Thank you! :)Martha

December 31, 2007

And therein lies the problem. Where there is no scientific proof to back it up we cannot continue to spread information because someone "appears" to know what they are talking about. On conventional medical forums Iodine is touted as a toxin in high doses. Those Dr's would appear to have the authority and knowledge on the subject as well but they would be wrong. Please everyone, make sure you have looked at the real info before commenting on this group. The fly off the handle comments don't help to continue with good knowledge.

From what I have read the no flush niacin is safe for the liver. The other is not.

Re: Niacin

I read it in a post to Alternative Medicine Forum. I do not have web references, but the person appeared to knowledgable about the subject matter.

Alobar

On 12/30/07, M C <marthanyc@...> wrote:

Hmmm..Where did you get this info about inositol being toxic to the liver? I have PCOS and know that thousands of women with PCOS regularly take very high levels (grams, not even milligrmas) of inositol, d-chiro inositol and pinitol (turns into inositol in the body) and have for years. It is a powerful insulin sensitizer for those who are insulin resistant like us. Not once in all my research have I heard about any toxicity. Is it specifically toxic to diabetics and if so, I am very curious as to why. Thank you! :)Martha

January 23, 2008

My first cholesterol fighter was Niaspan.

I had prickly heat the 1st night. I thought it was the new mattress

we got that same day. After I told my wife about the symptoms, she

said it was just like hot flashes. My wife also enjoyed when I got

bright red all over. 1 drug down, 4 more until I got to Crestor.

Later on, I tried a small dose of Niacin and got the same bad results.

Now, I'm just trying to figure out how to get past the side effects of

Crestor, which I stopped taking over a year ago. At least no hot

flashes. No help from the doctor's who prescribed the wonder drugs.

> Has anyone had the same problems with Niacin that they

have with the

> statins? I went off statin drugs in Sept. I started feeling human by

> the end of October but decided I needed to take something so I started

> taking Niacin 500mg.I hurt all over AGAIN!

>

> Thanks for any help,

> Jeannie

>

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Did you try taking an aspirin 30 minutes before the Niaspan? My husband

takes 1500mg of it and once in a great while he will have a short flush, but

he gets up and takes an aspirin and it goes away.

I take OTC niasin and very seldom flush.

Noreen