Niacin

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About the cheapest place you can buy Niacin is www.iherb.com . takes either 300mgs or

350mgs 9cvan't remember without looking at the bottle). Some people get a lot

of flushing about half an hour after taking Niacin and if this is bothersome,

you can buy the non-flushing Niacin.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila thanks for the reply i got my

coenzyme q10 in H & B but

regarding the niacin do you now how many mg you have to take and where

i may get it quickly can you buy it in herbshop like H & B never thought

to ask when i was there. Love the photo your hair looks fab love the

colour and you look younger. Off to watch Little Dorrit B.B.C. 8-30

p.m. check back later .Marie

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Hi Marie

I've been using 250 mg non-flushing niacin capsules and quarter or

half a tablet of similar strength of ordinary niacin (for economy, as

the nf type is more expensive. Taking the ordinary one about 10

minutes after the nf capsule, during a meal, results in just a tingle

for me. On its own, a 1/4 (about 50 mg)tablet of ordinary niacin

produces a strong flush -- not unpleasant in cold weather! I think

this regime has brought my lipids down nicely.

My source was iHerb. It's safest to keep order down to £18 inc post to

avoid tax, though not so easy now with the falling £ value.

Rgds

H

-- In thyroid treatment , " marie simpson "

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.... regarding the niacin do you now how many mg you have to take ... Marie

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try policosanol ... there are known side effects that I had from it and I have

been taking it for years.

ed

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> A few years ago, my husband suffered miserably (memory and cognitive skills)

from Lovastatin and then Simvastin. Long story short...took him off the statins

and it took time to regain his memory and cognitive skills. The fog lifted and

he got somewhat better. He took, then and now, Co Q 10. Recently, the doctor

found out that he had a severe Vitamin D deficiency (after I expressed that

although the memory got better, it was always at the same level...no longer

improving) and required him to take 3000 IU's a day of Vitamin D. My G-d...what

an improvement. Things he had forgotten came rushing back...cognitive ability

was totally present.

>

> Two months ago, he suffered from a TIA (Temporary Ischemic Attack). The

doctors in the hospital, after learning of his negative experience with Statins

and Zetia, decided to have him take Niacin. First he took 250 mg twice a day (2

months)...then it was moved up to 500mg/day...again, twice a day (1 Month).

>

> Here's the thing...since taking the Niacin he seems to have reverted to the

Statin side effects...that is lack of cognitive skills and memory problems. I

have, today, taken him off all Niacin (it was slow release).

>

> Advice? Suggestions? What to do?

> Has this happened to anyone else?

>

> Thanks.

>

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Wow Sheryl! thanks for sharing your story. I took Niacin and fell ill with the

same symptoms as statins.

>

> A few years ago, my husband suffered miserably (memory and cognitive skills)

from Lovastatin and then Simvastin. Long story short...took him off the statins

and it took time to regain his memory and cognitive skills. The fog lifted and

he got somewhat better. He took, then and now, Co Q 10. Recently, the doctor

found out that he had a severe Vitamin D deficiency (after I expressed that

although the memory got better, it was always at the same level...no longer

improving) and required him to take 3000 IU's a day of Vitamin D. My G-d...what

an improvement. Things he had forgotten came rushing back...cognitive ability

was totally present.

>

> Two months ago, he suffered from a TIA (Temporary Ischemic Attack). The

doctors in the hospital, after learning of his negative experience with Statins

and Zetia, decided to have him take Niacin. First he took 250 mg twice a day (2

months)...then it was moved up to 500mg/day...again, twice a day (1 Month).

>

> Here's the thing...since taking the Niacin he seems to have reverted to the

Statin side effects...that is lack of cognitive skills and memory problems. I

have, today, taken him off all Niacin (it was slow release).

>

> Advice? Suggestions? What to do?

> Has this happened to anyone else?

>

> Thanks.

>

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>

> A few years ago, my husband suffered miserably (memory and cognitive skills)

from Lovastatin and then Simvastin. Long story short...took him off the statins

and it took time to regain his memory and cognitive skills. The fog lifted and

he got somewhat better. He took, then and now, Co Q 10. Recently, the doctor

found out that he had a severe Vitamin D deficiency (after I expressed that

although the memory got better, it was always at the same level...no longer

improving) and required him to take 3000 IU's a day of Vitamin D. My G-d...what

an improvement. Things he had forgotten came rushing back...cognitive ability

was totally present.

>

> Two months ago, he suffered from a TIA (Temporary Ischemic Attack). The

doctors in the hospital, after learning of his negative experience with Statins

and Zetia, decided to have him take Niacin. First he took 250 mg twice a day (2

months)...then it was moved up to 500mg/day...again, twice a day (1 Month).

>

> Here's the thing...since taking the Niacin he seems to have reverted to the

Statin side effects...that is lack of cognitive skills and memory problems. I

have, today, taken him off all Niacin (it was slow release).

>

> Advice? Suggestions? What to do?

> Has this happened to anyone else?

>

> Thanks.

>

Hi

As far as I know it has never been determined that the statin side effects are

from the drug or from having too little cholesterol. Perhaps the body knows

best? As similar as we all seem we are quite different. For instance without 5-7

grams of vit c daily I am a wreck, including severe allergies, bleeding gums and

more. My wife needs none. Perhaps he just needs more cholesterol and the body

makes it for him. My advice? Take some fish oil, have some fun and

be well

Art

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Thanks for the replies. He's been off the Niacin for two days and things are getting better. He, at first, didn't remember that he told me about (again) the fog, but now he states that it has cleared. The memory is getting better, slowly.

Our GP was, at least, willing to listen to my complaints (before the TIA) and tested for Vitamin D...who would have thought that that vitamin would have made such a difference.

While on the niacin, as I stated, he reverted to the statin side effects...it was a nightmare the first time around...and worse now. Thankfully, he wasn't on them that long.

Sheryl

Re: niacin

Wow Sheryl! thanks for sharing your story. I took Niacin and fell ill with the same symptoms as statins. >> A few years ago, my husband suffered miserably (memory and cognitive skills) from Lovastatin and then Simvastin. Long story short...took him off the statins and it took time to regain his memory and cognitive skills. The fog lifted and he got somewhat better. He took, then and now, Co Q 10. Recently, the doctor found out that he had a severe Vitamin D deficiency (after I expressed that although the memory got better, it was always at the same level...no longer improving) and required him to take 3000 IU's a day of Vitamin D. My G-d...what an improvement. Things he had forgotten came rushing back...cognitive ability was totally present. > > Two months ago, he suffered from a TIA (Temporary Ischemic Attack). The doctors in the hospital, after learning of his negative experience with Statins and Zetia, decided to have him take Niacin. First he took 250 mg twice a day (2 months)...then it was moved up to 500mg/day...again, twice a day (1 Month). > > Here's the thing...since taking the Niacin he seems to have reverted to the Statin side effects...that is lack of cognitive skills and memory problems. I have, today, taken him off all Niacin (it was slow release). > > Advice? Suggestions? What to do? > Has this happened to anyone else? > > Thanks.>

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I take a pretty strong dosage that I had to gradually build up to over a period of time and under the supervision of my Family Doctor. Even though Niacin is sold over the counter you should consult with the doctor that you're going to be seeing before starting it. There can be side-affects and other problems (skin flushing, light headedness, dizziness, stomach irritation, etc.) caused from high dosages, so your doctor should be involved to ensure that you realize the benefits and don't experience any of the nasty problems. The most helpful Lesson Learned concerning taking this medication is to take it along with a little food within a half hour before going to bed at night.

I appreciate your posting regarding high EOS levels and a possible relationship to Samters. After I got my EOS levels lowered some of my Samters related problems did improve. So there may be a linkage between high EOS levels and Samters effects. If other members of the Group have high EOS levels let us know.

-----Original Message-----From: samters [mailto:samters ]On Behalf Of joan harveySent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:57 PMsamters Subject: niacin

How much niacin do you take each day?

On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Ekren wrote:

According to my GP high EOS is an indication of allergies and definitelySamters would be included. My blood test was a little different in that itmeasured EOS%. Initially mine was 11.8% which was considered high. I wasable to reduce this number to 1.6% by taking Niacin (Vitamin which isavailable over-the-counter. Additionally after taking Niacin my HomocysteinePlasma level dropped from 15.5, which is considered high, to 9.7 which is inthe normal range. And finally my LDL Cholesterol dropped to 60 from 106. Tome it was impressive that all of this could be accomplished with amedication that costs about $8.00 per month.-----Original Message-----From: samters [mailto:samters ]On BehalfOf joan harveySent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:31 PMsamters Subject: high eosinophils?I just got some lab test results and my "absolute eosinophils" are off thecharts -- normal range 0-500 -- mine were 3236. I think high eosinophilsare a component of Samter's? Just wondering if anyone knows anything as I'mgoing to see a new general practitioner and sometimes they don't know aboutSamter's. Various other things look way high as well, but I assume they mayhave to do with infection rather than Samter's itself.------------------------------------

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Thanks . I haven't seen any information on niacin lowering eosinophils. How did you find this out? On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Ekren wrote:

I take a pretty strong dosage that I had to gradually build up to over a period of time and under the supervision of my Family Doctor. Even though Niacin is sold over the counter you should consult with the doctor that you're going to be seeing before starting it. There can be side-affects and other problems (skin flushing, light headedness, dizziness, stomach irritation, etc.) caused from high dosages, so your doctor should be involved to ensure that you realize the benefits and don't experience any of the nasty problems. The most helpful Lesson Learned concerning taking this medication is to take it along with a little food within a half hour before going to bed at night.

I appreciate your posting regarding high EOS levels and a possible relationship to Samters. After I got my EOS levels lowered some of my Samters related problems did improve. So there may be a linkage between high EOS levels and Samters effects. If other members of the Group have high EOS levels let us know.

-----Original Message-----From: samters [mailto:samters ]On Behalf Of joan harveySent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:57 PMsamters Subject: niacin

How much niacin do you take each day?

On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Ekren wrote:

According to my GP high EOS is an indication of allergies and definitelySamters would be included. My blood test was a little different in that itmeasured EOS%. Initially mine was 11.8% which was considered high. I wasable to reduce this number to 1.6% by taking Niacin (Vitamin which isavailable over-the-counter. Additionally after taking Niacin my HomocysteinePlasma level dropped from 15.5, which is considered high, to 9.7 which is inthe normal range. And finally my LDL Cholesterol dropped to 60 from 106. Tome it was impressive that all of this could be accomplished with amedication that costs about $8.00 per month.-----Original Message-----From: samters [mailto:samters ]On BehalfOf joan harveySent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:31 PMsamters Subject: high eosinophils?I just got some lab test results and my "absolute eosinophils" are off thecharts -- normal range 0-500 -- mine were 3236. I think high eosinophilsare a component of Samter's? Just wondering if anyone knows anything as I'mgoing to see a new general practitioner and sometimes they don't know aboutSamter's. Various other things look way high as well, but I assume they mayhave to do with infection rather than Samter's itself.------------------------------------

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My initial reason for using Niacin was to control Cholesterol and Triglycerides, but as I monitored my regular blood test results I noticed that after only 90 days my EOS level, which had been high for as long as I can remember, showed a dramatic drop. I've been taking Niacin for the last two years and my EOS levels have continued to remain low.

-----Original Message-----From: samters [mailto:samters ]On Behalf Of joan harveySent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:40 PMsamters Subject: Re: niacinThanks . I haven't seen any information on niacin lowering eosinophils. How did you find this out?

On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Ekren wrote:

I take a pretty strong dosage that I had to gradually build up to over a period of time and under the supervision of my Family Doctor. Even though Niacin is sold over the counter you should consult with the doctor that you're going to be seeing before starting it. There can be side-affects and other problems (skin flushing, light headedness, dizziness, stomach irritation, etc.) caused from high dosages, so your doctor should be involved to ensure that you realize the benefits and don't experience any of the nasty problems. The most helpful Lesson Learned concerning taking this medication is to take it along with a little food within a half hour before going to bed at night.

I appreciate your posting regarding high EOS levels and a possible relationship to Samters. After I got my EOS levels lowered some of my Samters related problems did improve. So there may be a linkage between high EOS levels and Samters effects. If other members of the Group have high EOS levels let us know.

-----Original Message-----From: samters [mailto:samters ]On Behalf Of joan harveySent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:57 PMsamters Subject: niacin

How much niacin do you take each day?

On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Ekren wrote:

According to my GP high EOS is an indication of allergies and definitelySamters would be included. My blood test was a little different in that itmeasured EOS%. Initially mine was 11.8% which was considered high. I wasable to reduce this number to 1.6% by taking Niacin (Vitamin which isavailable over-the-counter. Additionally after taking Niacin my HomocysteinePlasma level dropped from 15.5, which is considered high, to 9.7 which is inthe normal range. And finally my LDL Cholesterol dropped to 60 from 106. Tome it was impressive that all of this could be accomplished with amedication that costs about $8.00 per month.-----Original Message-----From: samters [mailto:samters ]On BehalfOf joan harveySent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:31 PMsamters Subject: high eosinophils?I just got some lab test results and my "absolute eosinophils" are off thecharts -- normal range 0-500 -- mine were 3236. I think high eosinophilsare a component of Samter's? Just wondering if anyone knows anything as I'mgoing to see a new general practitioner and sometimes they don't know aboutSamter's. Various other things look way high as well, but I assume they mayhave to do with infection rather than Samter's itself.------------------------------------

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Thanks, Steph,

Inositol hexanicotinate is another no flush variety of niacin. When I bought my

niacin, I was under the impression that no flush in general was not appropriate

for the iodine protocol. Now, I realized= that there are at least two varieties

of no flush, and only one, niacinamide, is not appropriate.

Since I bought a huge bottle of it, do you think that nicotinic acid would do

the job? The flushing is not enjoyable, but I would greatly prefer to use what I

have already bought.

Sherry

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Flushing is a histamine reaction which can be helped with higher doses of Vit C.

I am not familiar with the form you mentioned. I'd have to look into it.

Steph

Re: Niacin

Thanks, Steph,Inositol hexanicotinate is another no flush variety of niacin. When I bought my niacin, I was under the impression that no flush in general was not appropriate for the iodine protocol. Now, I realized= that there are at least two varieties of no flush, and only one, niacinamide, is not appropriate.Since I bought a huge bottle of it, do you think that nicotinic acid would do the job? The flushing is not enjoyable, but I would greatly prefer to use what I have already bought.Sherry

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Steph...I think that nicotinic acid is the common form of niacin that

is NOT flush free.

Sherry

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> Flushing is a histamine reaction which can be helped with higher doses of Vit

C.

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> I am not familiar with the form you mentioned. I'd have to look into it.

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> Steph

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> Re: Niacin

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>

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> Thanks, Steph,

>

> Inositol hexanicotinate is another no flush variety of niacin. When I bought

my niacin, I was under the impression that no flush in general was not

appropriate for the iodine protocol. Now, I realized= that there are at least

two varieties of no flush, and only one, niacinamide, is not appropriate.

>

> Since I bought a huge bottle of it, do you think that nicotinic acid would

do the job? The flushing is not enjoyable, but I would greatly prefer to use

what I have already bought.

>

> Sherry

>

[Guest guest]

Yes it is. One can take it in small amounts to start as well to reduce flushing

bruce

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From: lookonthebriteside

Thank you, Steph...I think that nicotinic acid is the common form of niacin that is NOT flush free.Sherry

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bruce...But do you know if niacin as nicotinic acid would be effective to

use for the iodine protocol?

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[Guest guest]

Inositol hexanicotinate is about 80% niacin and about 20% inositol.

Likely they mention that kind so people don't freak out when they get the reaction (flush).

So yes.

Bruce

Re: Niacin

Thanks Bruce...But do you know if niacin as nicotinic acid would be effective to use for the iodine protocol?>

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Great...Thanks Bruce!

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I don't know enough to speak to the niacin on the iodine protocol. But I do

know, in general, that niacin dialates the capillaries. That is what causes the

flush--the capillaries dilate and get closer to the skin. The flush is a good

thing. It opens everything up and lets the sludge go through. People use it

for lowering cholesterol, improving circulation, etc. It is part of my MS

protocol.

So don't try and stop the flush. Start out low, maybe 50 mgs, then work your

way up as your body adjusts. But always take enough to create the flush.

Beverly

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thank you so much for posting that vickyanne ...i've just had an ah harrr moment

in relation to my own top of the range uric acid ...i've been trying to

understand why my last blood test showed it was raised ...the difference is i've

been taking both nax and b complex so overdoing the b3 probably. oddly enough

this morninig something told me to not take the b complex for a while and then

your post pops up!!! in my case i think there is a family predisposition to

higher uric acid so it maybe that i am more sensitive to too much, we are all

different in our tolerations.

thanks again

trish

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> Hi Everyone

>

> I wash reading the daily chat and saw that Niacin was recommended for high

blood pressure. I just thought that I would warn anyone who suffers with Gout,

that is making too much uric acid, not to take this as it is vitamin B3 and it

exacerbates gout.

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Hi Trish

Glad I was able to help. Just out of interest has any Doctor or Specialist ever looked into why you have high uric acid levels and told you why it is so high? Only my Daughter has very high uric acid levels and also many joint pains but there has never been any comment or explanation made by Doctor or endo guy.

All the best and take care.

Vickyanne

thank you so much for posting that vickyanne ...i've just had an ah harrr moment in rethanks again :)trish >> Hi Everyone> > I wash reading the daily chat and saw that Niacin was recommended for high blood pressure. I just thought that I would warn anyone who suffers with Gout, that is making too much uric acid, not to take this as it is vitamin B3 and it exacerbates gout.

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when i first found out it was nearly at the top of the range (some years ago)

the two things that were mentioned were relatively high daily wine drinking and

the fact that my mother had high uric acid too, so a genetic predisposition. (i

took at least one b complex everyday).

i stopped drinking wine and the blood test many months later showed much lower.

during this last year and preceding the blood test, i had upped my intake of

(high purine) sardines and red meat (felt anaemic) plus i had been using 3 nax

plus a b complex. plus i had been drinking wine again

i hope your daughter can try some different things to bring the level down

....i've only given up sardines and red meat so far lol (but will replace nax

with nutri adrenal ...wine is just one small glass and is home made from organic

grapes and health giving in my opinion

http://www.goutpal.com/foods-that-cause-gout.html

best wishes

trish

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> Hi Trish

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> Glad I was able to help.  Just out of interest has any Doctor or Specialist

ever looked into why you have high uric acid levels and told you why it is so

high? Only my Daughter has very high uric acid levels and also many joint pains

but there has never been any comment or explanation made by Doctor or endo guy.

[Guest guest]

Hi Trish

Many thanks for your reply. Yes I agree with you that it looks like it is genetic as my Husband has high uric acid. My Daughter is only 24 years old and has had many joint pains for at least 7 years and therefore was wondering that if one was to get the uric acid down all the joint pains would subside.

My Daughter also has all the classic hypo symptoms along with blood and urine tests which indicate she is hypo and has been for many years. Wonder if there is a connection between the two things. She doesn't drink nor was one for taking vitamin supplements of any kind until quite recently. My husband is the same as you he has to watch his purine intake and so therefore modifies his diet to accommodate this. He has only recently just started taking Allupurinol.

Well all best wishes to you.

Vickyanne

From: Trish <fielddot@...>Subject: Re: NIACINthyroid treatment Date: Saturday, 11 December, 2010, 16:13

when i first found out it was nearly at the top of the range (some years ago) thttp://www.goutpal.com/foods-that-cause-gout.html

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Thanks for the warning Vickyanne. We should all check for side

effects when thinking of taking up anybody's recommendations of a supplement we

haven't taken before.

Luv - Sheila

Vitamin B3 is a very good diet aid in losing weight. I looked on the tin of the

vitamin diet aid and found that the main ingredient was indeed Vitamin B3 in

fact it was the major ingredient of the vitamins.

I just thought I would share this with the forum as I would hate to think of

anyone else taking huge doses of Niacin (Vitamin B3) who is a gout sufferer and

having the same severity of attack as my husband did if it could be avoided.

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Hi Vickyanne, here is a link that tells you about possible

causes for high uric acid http://www.ehow.com/about_5195926_causes-high-uric-acid_.html

Luv - Sheila

Glad I was able to help. Just out of interest has

any Doctor or Specialist ever looked into why you have high uric acid levels

and told you why it is so high? Only my Daughter has very high uric acid

levels and also many joint pains but there has never been any comment or

explanation made by Doctor or endo guy.

thank you so much for posting that vickyanne ...i've just had an ah harrr

moment in re

thanks again

trish

>

> Hi Everyone

>

> I wash reading the daily chat and saw that Niacin was recommended for

high blood pressure. I just thought that I would warn anyone who suffers with

Gout, that is making too much uric acid, not to take this as it is vitamin B3

and it exacerbates gout.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

Many thanks for your reply and the link. I am just pleased that I could give the infor about Niacin in high doses because the pain and stress it caused my Husband was quite bad and I would not want anyone to suffer as he did.

Best regards

Vickyanne

From: Sheila <sheila@...>Subject: RE: Re: NIACINthyroid treatment Date: Sunday, 12 December, 2010, 9:33

Hi Vickyanne, here is a link that tells you about possible causes for high uric acid http://www.ehow.com/about_5195926_causes-high-uric-acid_.html

Luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

Niacin is an excellent way to improve Cholesterol it is better than some of the prescription statins your Dr is likely to prescribe, Instant release is best for the liver. Avoid extended release or flush free altogether, flush free does not work.

If you are concerned about gout or are susceptible to it a large daily dose of vitamin C a day will help.CheersMarkOn 11 December 2010 11:35, Vicky <vickyanne58@...> wrote:

 

Hi Everyone

I wash reading the daily chat and saw that Niacin was recommended for high blood pressure. I just thought that I would warn anyone who suffers with Gout, that is making too much uric acid, not to take this as it is vitamin B3 and it exacerbates gout.

About 16 years ago, my Husband who is a gout sufferer, tried a vitamin drink which was a dietary aid. The gout that followed was so intense that he had to use crutches. I did some research and found that Vitamin B3 (Niacin) in large doses does indeed make gout worse. He stopped the liquid diet aid and the severe gout attack did abate.

Vickyanne

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