3 questions

[Guest guest]

Beryl,

I'll let one of the plastic surgery folks answer number 1.

2. If you go to this group site, over on the left you'll see a link

to the Calendar. You'll see some of the dates bolded which means

there's a meeting planned somewhere on that day. Click on the day

and you'll see about the meeting. Most of the meetings are held

earlier in the month, so you've missed most of them this month.

There's talk of a big Halloween party - try to make that and you'll

meet LOTS of bandsters. This leads to question 3.

3. While there are some people who have problems with the band, most

of those get into a good follow-up program (through their doctors or

these web groups) do incredibly well. I've had a few glitches along

my journey, but nothing that was life-threatening or an emergency.

So far I'm down over 120 pounds. My journey has been slower than

some and certainly slower than RNY, but it's also been a lot safer.

I can tell you you're going to get mostly positive feedback to this

questions, but that's because these are the people who are sticking

with it and working with their band to change their lives. Some of

us have had problems, but we don't have the death rate or the

complications of malabsorption that happen with the RNY.

Hope this helps,

Jo in Silverdale

> I'm new. Just looking into this surgery. I have three questions:

>

> 1. What's CheTica?

> 2. Are there any get-togethers in Seattle, preferably central or

> north?

> 3. Are there any of you out there who regret having done this

> surgery? And if so, why?

>

> Thank you.

> Beryl

[Guest guest]

1. I know that we can experience hormonal swings due to the rapid weight loss.

I had my surgery March 11, 2003 and have been at the same weight for several

months. Recently, I've experienced mood swings, spinning thinking and lack of

focus that I cannot explain. Is it possibly related to the surgery?

2. I noticed a recent post about the " orange spot " situation. I went through

that in the beginning and it went away after a few months with no change to my

diet. I understand why we have it, but I do not understand why it goes away.

Are we now absorbing that fat? Does anybody know?

3. Has Dr. R moved his practice to CA or does he still perform in Statesville?

Thank you all for being there to help when we have questions,

Holly

Dr. R (my hero!!!)

March 11, 2003

318/170

5'10 "

Size 8/10!!!

[Guest guest]

holly,

we have some information that as women lose extra weight that their estrogen

levels can drop significantly. using the estrogen patch that is prescribed with

your postop medications can really help. if it does not, let us know.

you will absorb some fats, but not as much as preop - we hope!

Dr R now lives and works primarily in LA.

good luck

Dr Walsh

hlfsuper@... wrote:

1. I know that we can experience hormonal swings due to the rapid weight loss.

I had my surgery March 11, 2003 and have been at the same weight for several

months. Recently, I've experienced mood swings, spinning thinking and lack of

focus that I cannot explain. Is it possibly related to the surgery?

2. I noticed a recent post about the " orange spot " situation. I went through

that in the beginning and it went away after a few months with no change to my

diet. I understand why we have it, but I do not understand why it goes away.

Are we now absorbing that fat? Does anybody know?

3. Has Dr. R moved his practice to CA or does he still perform in Statesville?

Thank you all for being there to help when we have questions,

Holly

Dr. R (my hero!!!)

March 11, 2003

318/170

5'10 "

Size 8/10!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Holly,

Regarding the lack of focus and spinning thinking (with mood swings

and, I am guessing, irritability) I would also suggest, per our

medical staff, checking your iron levels.

I see you are almost two years out and have not had any weight loss

over the past few months. The estrogen patch works well, especially

during rapid weight loss, but my lack of focus, headaches, general

malaise and " spinning " thinking was, in fact, due to severe iron

deficiency.

I received three days of iron infusions while at the MI center and

what a world of difference! After about a week it was as if a

curtain had been lifted and I could think more clearly and did not

have the irritability.

Take care and let us know how you are doing!

Robbins

Vice President

CELOS, Inc.

Eastern Division/Midwest Region

MGB 5/15/00

350/160

> 1. I know that we can experience hormonal swings due to the rapid

weight loss. I had my surgery March 11, 2003 and have been at the

same weight for several months. Recently, I've experienced mood

swings, spinning thinking and lack of focus that I cannot explain.

Is it possibly related to the surgery?

> 2. I noticed a recent post about the " orange spot " situation. I

went through that in the beginning and it went away after a few

months with no change to my diet. I understand why we have it, but

I do not understand why it goes away. Are we now absorbing that

fat? Does anybody know?

> 3. Has Dr. R moved his practice to CA or does he still perform in

Statesville?

> Thank you all for being there to help when we have questions,

> Holly

> Dr. R (my hero!!!)

> March 11, 2003

> 318/170

> 5'10 "

> Size 8/10!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi!

Answers after your

questions!

what time of day should I take iodoral? I

thought it was making me tired so I took it at night and now I don't seem to be

getting a sound sleep.

Iodine helps your body run. Detox symptoms can make

you feel tired, so that is where you might think it made you tired. The general

consensus here is to take it in the morning, or by noon or 2:00 pm latest.

second, if I lick a pile of salt out of my hand, instead of putting it in warm

water, and then drink clean water, will it have the same effect? Or do I need

to mix it in warm water?

You can take the salt anyway you like. I toss the

coarse salt into my mouth just like I toss my supplements into my mouth, then

drink. I love salt, but cannot stand to drink a whole glass of salt water.

third, I think it's the consensus that we on iodoral have and will GAIN weight.

Does anyone think there is a point in the future that the weight will begin to

come off?

No, it is not the consensus that we will gain weight. Some

experience that, but most do not. You just hear more from us who do gain weight

as we bemoan the fact. I have now lost 18 lbs since Jan 1st after

gaining weight steadily long before I started this protocol. After a year on

iodine, my body is functioning at a normal pace, and I can lose the weight.

Working hard at it, but it is happening! My friends who also take iodine have

just lost weight since taking it without trying.

Donna in IL

[Guest guest]

I really appreciate your response to my questions. Very helpful.

I'm certain " consensus " is the wrong word but, I was here several months ago and

there was alot of discussion about it and there really weren't many that had

lost any weight; but many that had gained.

I do know that if you're detoxing you could tend to gain weight but I just

didn't know if that was the end result and you live with it or there's a

brighter light at the end of the tunnel (that is NOT a train ) and weight will

eventually drop off.

And, of course, working at it like you say, should not be minimized.

thanks again!

>

> Hi!

>

> Answers after your questions!

>

> what time of day should I take iodoral? I thought it was making me tired so I

took it at night and now I don't seem to be getting a sound sleep.

> Iodine helps your body run. Detox symptoms can make you feel tired, so that is

where you might think it made you tired. The general consensus here is to take

it in the morning, or by noon or 2:00 pm latest.

>

> second, if I lick a pile of salt out of my hand, instead of putting it in warm

water, and then drink clean water, will it have the same effect? Or do I need to

mix it in warm water?

> You can take the salt anyway you like. I toss the coarse salt into my mouth

just like I toss my supplements into my mouth, then drink. I love salt, but

cannot stand to drink a whole glass of salt water.

> third, I think it's the consensus that we on iodoral have and will GAIN

weight. Does anyone think there is a point in the future that the weight will

begin to come off?

>

> No, it is not the consensus that we will gain weight. Some experience that,

but most do not. You just hear more from us who do gain weight as we bemoan the

fact. I have now lost 18 lbs since Jan 1st after gaining weight steadily long

before I started this protocol. After a year on iodine, my body is functioning

at a normal pace, and I can lose the weight. Working hard at it, but it is

happening! My friends who also take iodine have just lost weight since taking it

without trying.

>

>

>

> Donna in IL

>

> ________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I never gained weight on Iodoral... I don't think that is a common symptom.

gracia

spacejunkie2001us wrote:

>

> what time of day should I take iodoral? I thought it was making me

> tired so I took it at night and now I don't seem to be getting a sound

> sleep.

>

> second, if I lick a pile of salt out of my hand, instead of putting it

> in warm water, and then drink clean water, will it have the same

> effect? Or do I need to mix it in warm water?

>

> third, I think it's the consensus that we on iodoral have and will

> GAIN weight. Does anyone think there is a point in the future that the

> weight will begin to come off?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't gained weight either. I feel better and I'm eating better, making smarter choices, and I have actually lost some weight. I think along with the iodoral and companion supplements, a healthy diet and some exercise is key to a healthy life style. And it didn't take over night to feel like we do so It will take some time for our bodies to adjust and get up adn running correctly. from IllinoisFrom: Gracia <circe@...>iodine Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 10:19:39 AMSubject: Re: 3 questions

I never gained weight on Iodoral... I don't think that is a common symptom.graciaspacejunkie2001us wrote:>> what time of day should I take iodoral? I thought it was making me > tired so I took it at night and now I don't seem to be getting a sound > sleep.>> second, if I lick a pile of salt out of my hand, instead of putting it > in warm water, and then drink clean water, will it have the same > effect? Or do I need to mix it in warm water?>> third, I think it's the consensus that we on iodoral have and will > GAIN weight. Does anyone think there is a point in the future that the > weight will begin to come off?>> ------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Actually cortisol levels are supposed to be at their highest in the mornings

when you first get out of bed and then the healthy pattern is to slowly decrease

as the day goes by and be lowest at bedtime.

If you have a spike during the day or night it is due to a stressor of some kind

such as low blood sugar in which case the cortisol will rise (or try to if your

adrenals are healthy) to raise the blood sugar back up.

If the salty food is a carbohydrate which raises the blood sugar up pretty fast

but also drops it pretty fast that might be the plateau problem.

Dianne

>

> Hmmm well cortisol levels are supposed to diminish

> in the evening, they peak between 2 and 4 in the

> afternoon from what I've been reading. So maybe

> the salt boosts the cortisol when it should be

> diminishing? That's the only thing I can think of

> at the moment.

>

> Bethann

[Guest guest]

Hi I'm new here and came from the BC thinktang group.

After my saliva test I was told that cortisol levels are ,when healthy, generally at the highest at ~2PM. I remember this because mine were upside down and at their highest at then "( . Makes it harder and harder to sleep the later I go to bed .

jean

Actually cortisol levels are supposed to be at their highest in the mornings when you first get out of bed and then the healthy pattern is to slowly decrease as the day goes by and be lowest at bedtime. If you have a spike during the day or night it is due to a stressor of some kind such as low blood sugar in which case the cortisol will rise (or try to if your adrenals are healthy) to raise the blood sugar back up. If the salty food is a carbohydrate which raises the blood sugar up pretty fast but also drops it pretty fast that might be the plateau problem.Dianne>> Hmmm well cortisol levels are supposed to diminish > in the evening, they peak between 2 and 4 in the > afternoon from what I've been reading. So maybe > the salt boosts the cortisol when it should be > diminishing? That's the only thing I can think of > at the moment.> > Bethann

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[Guest guest]

These are the test times and normal ranges on the saliva test from Diagnos

Techs:

6:00 - 8:00 a.m. Normal Range 13-24

11:00 to Noon Normal Range 5-10

4:00 -5:00 p.m. Normal Range 3-8

11:00 - Midnight Normal 1-4

Heading into the afternoon your cortisol numbers should be steadily dropping.

If or when cortisol levels at bedtime are high then it is hard to go to sleep.

I am dealing with this issue right now.

Dianne

>

> Hi I'm new here and came from the BC thinktang group.

> After my saliva test I was told that cortisol levels are ,when healthy,

generally at the highest at ~2PM. I remember this because mine were upside down

and at their highest at then " ( .

> Makes it harder and harder to sleep the later I go to bed .

> jean

>

>

>

> Actually cortisol levels are supposed to be at their highest in the mornings

when you first get out of bed and then the healthy pattern is to slowly decrease

as the day goes by and be lowest at bedtime.

[Guest guest]

hi bee, Im on vacation this week and am wondering why im waking up in the middle

of the night and morning feeling internally shacky and a bit off. ive also

wondered why my body temp. drops sometimes and I feel chilled. it eventually

goes away. and lastly, I forgot to tell you that I use to be a vegetarian before

starting this diet so eating red meat is a bit of a challenge for me. i eat it,

just not as much as I should. is there a iron supplement, like floradex, I can

take while im still transitioning over to red meat? thanks for your help w this!

lindsi despard

[Guest guest]

I have been very faithful on this vacation, however, I have been under more

stress too. I feel like me adrenals are being effected from the stress.....wont

the toxic release effect my afrenals more? Do I need to back off from the

coconut oil since im feeling so bad? Thanks for the info on floradex. I will

just have to incorporate more red meat. lindsi

On Thu May 19th, 2011 10:39 AM EDT Bee wrote:

>

>+++Hi Lindsi,

>

>It's good to hear from you again. Are you able to stick to the diet and take

all of the supplements while on vacation?

>

>[snip]

>

>Floradex and other kinds of iron supplements contain the wrong kind of iron,

called non-heme iron, and you definitely should not take Floradex since it

contains other supplements that will throw off getting the correct amounts of B

vitamins, etc. and it also contains fruit juices, honey, yeast, etc. Here's the

information on it:

>

>[snip]

>

>Red meats are highest in iron, but it is also in other meats and eggs.

>

>There are many other nutrients in meats, not just iron, that are important for

your health, and " true " iron, called heme iron, is found in all meats and eggs.

>

>Also iron is only absorbed and utilized if you also get other nutrients such as

B vitamins, particularly B12, a combination of oils I recommend, including

saturated fats, omega 3, vitamin A, D & E, etc.

>

>Of course as I always write all of the nutrients work together.

>

>It is important that you get enough protein from meats and eggs, so while you

are transitioning over you can eat fish, chicken and eggs too. Ensure you

calculate your protein, fat and carb ratios and enter your foods into fitday.com

so you are sure to get enough, and yet not too many carbs.

>

>All the best, Bee

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> I have been very faithful on this vacation, however, I have been under more

stress too. I feel like me adrenals are being effected from the stress.....wont

the toxic release effect my afrenals more? Do I need to back off from the

coconut oil since im feeling so bad? Thanks for the info on floradex. I will

just have to incorporate more red meat.

+++Hi lindsi,

What kind of " toxin release " are you referring to? Stress itself does not cause

toxins to be released, however it interferes with some functions throughout your

body, including overactive adrenals, which are listed in my deep breathing

article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/breath4.php

When stressed do deep breathing exercises to help your body switch over from its

fight/flight nervous system.

Take Epsom salt baths to help you relax, and also distract yourself from the

stresses:

1) Walking.

2) Watch good movies or comedy that are uplifting.

3) Read a good book.

4) Avoid bad news on TV.

5) Get occupied with something you enjoy.

You can back off on coconut oil for awhile, but do not stop it.

I hope that helps.

Bee