Re: need help with numbers (grams of protein and fat)

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

> I'm increasing my fat intake so I can get to a good protein/fat ratio but

> I'm not sure if I've got the numbers right.

> Yesterday I had 8 tablespoons of fat, 4 oz of chicken, 4 oz of shrimp and 1

> egg drink (2 eggs) for protein. Fats came to 136g, protein was 76g and

> veggies came to only 35g of carb. Because of my height I should only have

> had 68g of protein (and aiming for 170 g of fat).

>

> Is that right? I would need to consume even less than 1 piece of chicken,

> some shrimp and 2 eggs so I don't have too much?

>

> If I reduce fats to slow down the detoxing, then I should have even less

> protein than that? With say 4 Tbsp of fat, would I be able to have

> something like 1 piece of chicken and 1 egg for the whole day? I think I'll

> be really hungry on only that amount of protein. I don't know if I'm

> figuring this out correctly.

>

> April

*** Hi April

While you await Bee's response in the morning, I thought I'd see what I could do

to help you. The following link:

<http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php#b1>

tells about starting on the program. In it, Bee writes that some people can get

on the pgm in 2-3 months, while others can take longer.

She says: " Start taking unrefined coconut oil, at the same time as you start on

the diet and supplements. Always start with small doses of coconut oil, i.e. 1

teaspoon 3 times a day (or less; some people must start with 1/4 teaspoon 3

times a day), and gradually increase it so your healing and detoxifying symptoms

aren't so severe. Slowly increase it until you are able to take 6 tablespoons a

day. "

-and-

" ...increase good fats, i.e. butter, coconut oil and extra virgin olive oil, and

protein (if your intake was quite low), Do not increase proteins more than you

increase good fats — try to keep a balance of 20% protein to 60% fat. If your

protein intake was high you might need to lower it temporarily until you can

increase your fats enough. If you do not consume enough fats in ratio to

proteins it will cause constipation. It is more important to get your fat ratios

up to the recommended levels than to increase protein too fast. "

In light of that, I don't think your ratio of protein to fat is too far 'off'.

But we will have to await Bee's response on what to do if you feel you need to

decrease your fat intake to 4 T/day.

, moderator

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you, I have read that before. I understand we need to work up

slowly, but I don't understand what amounts I should be having (I don't

know what 20% protein and 60% fat equates to in amounts of foods).

The 8 tablespoons was more than I meant to take because i forgot to include

the cod liver oil, and I kept having butter when I felt hungry. Today I

didn't have as much, I'll have to keep it lower so I have less reactions.

Thanks,

April

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 4:48 PM, kllaurvick <laurvick@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi,

> > I'm increasing my fat intake so I can get to a good protein/fat ratio but

> > I'm not sure if I've got the numbers right.

> > Yesterday I had 8 tablespoons of fat, 4 oz of chicken, 4 oz of shrimp and

> 1

> > egg drink (2 eggs) for protein. Fats came to 136g, protein was 76g and

> > veggies came to only 35g of carb. Because of my height I should only have

> > had 68g of protein (and aiming for 170 g of fat).

> >

> > Is that right? I would need to consume even less than 1 piece of chicken,

> > some shrimp and 2 eggs so I don't have too much?

> >

> > If I reduce fats to slow down the detoxing, then I should have even less

> > protein than that? With say 4 Tbsp of fat, would I be able to have

> > something like 1 piece of chicken and 1 egg for the whole day? I think

> I'll

> > be really hungry on only that amount of protein. I don't know if I'm

> > figuring this out correctly.

> >

> > April

>

> *** Hi April

>

> While you await Bee's response in the morning, I thought I'd see what I

> could do to help you. The following link:

>

> <http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php#b1>

>

> tells about starting on the program. In it, Bee writes that some people can

> get on the pgm in 2-3 months, while others can take longer.

>

> She says: " Start taking unrefined coconut oil, at the same time as you

> start on the diet and supplements. Always start with small doses of coconut

> oil, i.e. 1 teaspoon 3 times a day (or less; some people must start with 1/4

> teaspoon 3 times a day), and gradually increase it so your healing and

> detoxifying symptoms aren't so severe. Slowly increase it until you are able

> to take 6 tablespoons a day. "

>

> -and-

>

> " ...increase good fats, i.e. butter, coconut oil and extra virgin olive

> oil, and protein (if your intake was quite low), Do not increase proteins

> more than you increase good fats — try to keep a balance of 20% protein to

> 60% fat. If your protein intake was high you might need to lower it

> temporarily until you can increase your fats enough. If you do not consume

> enough fats in ratio to proteins it will cause constipation. It is more

> important to get your fat ratios up to the recommended levels than to

> increase protein too fast. "

>

> In light of that, I don't think your ratio of protein to fat is too far

> 'off'. But we will have to await Bee's response on what to do if you feel

> you need to decrease your fat intake to 4 T/day.

>

> , moderator

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

> I'm increasing my fat intake so I can get to a good protein/fat ratio but

> I'm not sure if I've got the numbers right.

> Yesterday I had 8 tablespoons of fat, 4 oz of chicken, 4 oz of shrimp and 1

> egg drink (2 eggs) for protein. Fats came to 136g, protein was 76g and

> veggies came to only 35g of carb. Because of my height I should only have

> had 68g of protein (and aiming for 170 g of fat).

>

> Is that right? I would need to consume even less than 1 piece of chicken,

> some shrimp and 2 eggs so I don't have too much?

>

> If I reduce fats to slow down the detoxing, then I should have even less

> protein than that? With say 4 Tbsp of fat, would I be able to have

> something like 1 piece of chicken and 1 egg for the whole day? I think I'll

> be really hungry on only that amount of protein. I don't know if I'm

> figuring this out correctly.

>

+++Hi April,

Are you constipated? If you are, did you get constipation after changing over

to this program, which can be caused by changing over too quickly by lowering

your carbs too fast?

When you change over too fast by lowering carbs you become more hungry so it is

natural to increase protein. However you should not increase protein too high

above your ratios without getting enough fat.

Of course if you were constipated before starting on this program your body will

retrace it so you cannot blame that on the program.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi ,

> Thank you, I have read that before. I understand we need to work up

> slowly, but I don't understand what amounts I should be having (I don't

> know what 20% protein and 60% fat equates to in amounts of foods).

>

> The 8 tablespoons was more than I meant to take because i forgot to include

> the cod liver oil, and I kept having butter when I felt hungry. Today I

> didn't have as much, I'll have to keep it lower so I have less reactions.

+++Hi April,

20% protein to 60% fat is in calories, so you could enter only meats, eggs and

fats into fitday.com and then scroll down and look at the calorie pie chart,

which will indicate the percentages.

Bee

[Guest guest]

> +++Hi April,

>

> 20% protein to 60% fat is in calories, so you could enter only meats, eggs and

fats into fitday.com and then scroll down and look at the calorie pie chart,

which will indicate the percentages.

>

> Bee

>

*** Bee, forgive me if I'm missing something, but it seems to me Fitday wants

all percentages to equal 100%, so if you were to only enter protein and fat, the

total of both would equal 100%. Your suggestion that it would show protein at

20% and fat at 60% only adds up to 80%.

I just entered my eats for today and only entered protein and fats and Fitday

gave me 20% for protein and 80% for fat intake...

Will you further explain please?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

>

> > +++Hi April,

> >

> > 20% protein to 60% fat is in calories, so you could enter only meats, eggs

and fats into fitday.com and then scroll down and look at the calorie pie chart,

which will indicate the percentages.

> >

> > Bee

> >

>

> *** Bee, forgive me if I'm missing something, but it seems to me Fitday wants

all percentages to equal 100%, so if you were to only enter protein and fat, the

total of both would equal 100%. Your suggestion that it would show protein at

20% and fat at 60% only adds up to 80%.

>

> I just entered my eats for today and only entered protein and fats and Fitday

gave me 20% for protein and 80% for fat intake...

+++Hi ,

Yes, you are correct.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hello Bee,

Wow, that is very different from what I've been doing. Since the optimal

diet indicates for me to have 68g protein and minimum 170g fat, I've been

aiming for that. According to the chart I need 113g fat not 170-220 (and

need to add only 5 T of fats to my food, not 8T or more).

When I add carbs to the list on fitday, the percentages will change. Does

that matter? Is the important thing just to know and aim for the numbers

that I got from entering only meat, eggs and fat?(68g protein and 113g fat

).

April

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

> +++Hi April,

>

> 20% protein to 60% fat is in calories, so you could enter only meats, eggs

> and fats into fitday.com and then scroll down and look at the calorie pie

> chart, which will indicate the percentages.

>

> Bee

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello Bee,

> Wow, that is very different from what I've been doing. Since the optimal

> diet indicates for me to have 68g protein and minimum 170g fat, I've been

> aiming for that. According to the chart I need 113g fat not 170-220 (and

> need to add only 5 T of fats to my food, not 8T or more).

>

> When I add carbs to the list on fitday, the percentages will change. Does

> that matter? Is the important thing just to know and aim for the numbers

> that I got from entering only meat, eggs and fat?(68g protein and 113g fat

> ).

+++Hi April,

Sorry, I made a mistake advising you to only enter meats, eggs and fats into

fitday. Instead, enter all foods into fitday.com and scroll down to the calorie

pie chart to see if your meats and fats are around 20% protein and 60% fat.

What is your height in feet and inches?

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

Yes I'm using the pie chart and the 60/20 figures still show fat to be

around 100 grams (instead of 170-270) for the 68 grams protein. I think

entering the amount of veg I actually eat doesn't make a huge difference, I

couldn't possibly eat the amount of veg required to make the 20% carb.

I'm 5'6 so I need 68 grams protein and 170-270g fat to follow the optimal

diet, but doing 60/20 on the pie chart says I need closer to 100 grams. (Add

approx 5T instead of 8T which causes major reactions).

It's difficult to figure out what amounts I need to have to relieve this

constipation problem. Thanks again for trying to help solve this.

April

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Bee,

> > Wow, that is very different from what I've been doing. Since the optimal

> > diet indicates for me to have 68g protein and minimum 170g fat, I've been

> > aiming for that. According to the chart I need 113g fat not 170-220 (and

> > need to add only 5 T of fats to my food, not 8T or more).

> >

> > When I add carbs to the list on fitday, the percentages will change. Does

> > that matter? Is the important thing just to know and aim for the numbers

> > that I got from entering only meat, eggs and fat?(68g protein and 113g

> fat

> > ).

>

> +++Hi April,

>

> Sorry, I made a mistake advising you to only enter meats, eggs and fats

> into fitday. Instead, enter all foods into fitday.com and scroll down to

> the calorie pie chart to see if your meats and fats are around 20% protein

> and 60% fat.

>

> What is your height in feet and inches?

>

> Bee

[Guest guest]

I checked fitday again and here are the numbers more specifically. These

are from entering foods just to get ratios and see what amount of grams it

would tell me (not what I really ate).

Protein 18% - 68.8g

Fat 62% - 92.4g

Carb 19% - 70.3g

Does this mean I should eat the protein and fat it tells me here and not

worry about the carbs? (that would mean about 10 cups of low carb veggies).

I'm 5'6 " , that means 170 grams would be a lot more than 60%.

April

>> +++Hi April,

>>

>> Sorry, I made a mistake advising you to only enter meats, eggs and fats

>> into fitday. Instead, enter all foods into fitday.com and scroll down to

>> the calorie pie chart to see if your meats and fats are around 20% protein

>> and 60% fat.

>>

>> What is your height in feet and inches?

>>

>> Bee

>>

>> __._,_._

>>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I checked fitday again and here are the numbers more specifically. These

> are from entering foods just to get ratios and see what amount of grams it

> would tell me (not what I really ate).

>

> Protein 18% - 68.8g

> Fat 62% - 92.4g

> Carb 19% - 70.3g

>

> Does this mean I should eat the protein and fat it tells me here and not

> worry about the carbs? (that would mean about 10 cups of low carb veggies).

>

> I'm 5'6 " , that means 170 grams would be a lot more than 60%.

> April

*** Hi April - I'm 5'6 " , too. You are right: when you get your fat intake high

enough (to the minimum of 170 grams), it will register about 75-80% (depending

on how much carbs you have).

This raises a question, Bee... If I eat just protein and fat, I know what

quantities of each I need to meet my ratios. But when I add veggies in there

(using Fitday), the veggies increase protein intake. Do you count the protein

in veggies, so one would consume less MEAT/EGGS to compensate for the protein in

the veggies?

Also, can anyone explain why Fitday would say a cup of COOKED broccoli has 5.1

grams of fat in it while RAW broccoli has virtually none?

Currently, I consume one (max. two) serving of vegetable; I just can't fit any

more in if I want to get all my protein and fat in. So my ratios end up near

80% Fat, 18% Protein, 2% Carbs.

, moderator

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

> Yes I'm using the pie chart and the 60/20 figures still show fat to be around

100 grams (instead of 170-270) for the 68 grams protein. I think entering the

amount of veg I actually eat doesn't make a huge difference, I couldn't possibly

eat the amount of veg required to make the 20% carb.

<snip>

Hi April,

It has been awhile since I advised you about the percentage of fat and protein

so I cannot recall why we even discussed it.

Forget everything about percentages my dear. Instead, just enter all of the

foods you consumed, say yesterday, into fitday as instructed in this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods9.php

Be sure to write down the grams of fibers in the carbs, and after all foods are

entered subtract them from the total carbs. Then look at your totals and see

what you need to adjust quantities of foods up or down in order to meet your

calculated ratios.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>>

> *** Hi April - I'm 5'6 " , too. You are right: when you get your fat intake

high enough (to the minimum of 170 grams), it will register about 75-80%

(depending on how much carbs you have).

>

> This raises a question, Bee... If I eat just protein and fat, I know what

quantities of each I need to meet my ratios. But when I add veggies in there

(using Fitday), the veggies increase protein intake. Do you count the protein

in veggies, so one would consume less MEAT/EGGS to compensate for the protein in

the veggies?

>

> Also, can anyone explain why Fitday would say a cup of COOKED broccoli has 5.1

grams of fat in it while RAW broccoli has virtually none?

>

> Currently, I consume one (max. two) serving of vegetable; I just can't fit any

more in if I want to get all my protein and fat in. So my ratios end up near

80% Fat, 18% Protein, 2% Carbs.

+++Hi ,

We had a discussion about how fitday.com has different carbs when cooked than

when raw, particularly when we discussed cooked onions on the Recipes Group last

month.

That's when I did an analysis of all vegetables on my foods list to see what was

an acceptable net carb level we can depend upon. My conclusion was that 7.9

grams of net carbs or lower is acceptable, which is calculated on the raw form

of all vegetables by taking carbs minus fibers.

When vegetables are cooked carbs increase because the cell walls are broken down

releasing sugars, nutrients, etc. locked behind those cells walls and otherwise

not available.

In order to keep things consistent, everyone should select the raw form of any

vegetable, even if they consumed it cooked.

Bee