Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 I looked up niacin and found two forms : niacinamide and inositol hexaniacinate. Which one are PWC's supposed to use? I tried niacin a while back and had a huge " flushing " reaction. I think I read in one of the posts that this would be a good sign or am I mistaken on that? Also, what dosage is suggested? Or is this a supplement that I should speak with my doctor about? KRISTINA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 The " FLUSH " (normal) Niacin is the one you want -- the flush is caused by vasicular dilation (and implies that there is vascioconstriction) - which is the exact benefit that you want. The benefits: (Links to sources of information at http://www.folkarts.com/idef/niacin.htm enhancement of zinc absorption[*] enhancement of hemoglobin and liver iron [*] Excessive dosages may result in niacin-induced hepatitis [*] enhances insulin secretion and increases insulin sensitivity [*] Treats dizziness and ringing in ears.[*] It is also used for Raynaud's syndrome [*] Note: Rickettsia secrete vasoconstrictive toxins[*] Niacin decreases plasma fibrinogen (thins thick blood). <=========== By the way -- until almost the last 8 weeks of the antibiotics, I consistantly had niacin flush (for ~8 months) - I no longer flush at all (implying that there is no significant/more vascioconstrictive toxins being dumped into my body by bacteria...). Laurie still flushes (and her ISAC panel still shows an infection)... I always took 500 mg/day - but this dosage was too much flush for Laurie, so she was doing 2 @ 100 mg / day M Lassesen, M.S. ex " Dr.Gui (MSDN) " , " Dr. VB " cv: http://www.folkarts.com/kenl/ KenL@... Phone: 360 297.4717 Cell: 360 509.8970 Fax 520 832.6836 Re: Niacin Question I looked up niacin and found two forms : niacinamide and inositol hexaniacinate. Which one are PWC's supposed to use? I tried niacin a while back and had a huge " flushing " reaction. I think I read in one of the posts that this would be a good sign or am I mistaken on that? Also, what dosage is suggested? Or is this a supplement that I should speak with my doctor about? KRISTINA This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 In a message dated 9/29/00 4:02:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, clemjk@... writes: << thought may not have just been flushing but an allergic reaction. I started taking 100mg of niacin daily several weeks ago. Shortly after taking it I would feel a skin sensation like warmth or flushing usually in my face. Then last week I accidentally took several 100mg niacin at once out of my vitamin box thinking they were potassium pills (they look alike). I turned beet red in my face, neck, chest, and around my knees and elbows like a severe sunburn. In addition I had some stiffness develop in my elbows. This may have been severe flushing rather than an allergic response. I guess the only way to find out is to take some more in small dosages with some benadryl handy just in case. >> This exact reaction happens to me as well every time I take Niacin. I stopped taking time released niacin and maybe it will help. But my reaction was like yours....like a severe sunburn for about an hour or so, and this was with only 50mg. Does this mean I am extremely toxic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Could someone describe their niacin flushing experiences and the severity of them? I recently had an experience with niacin that I thought may not have just been flushing but an allergic reaction. I started taking 100mg of niacin daily several weeks ago. Shortly after taking it I would feel a skin sensation like warmth or flushing usually in my face. Then last week I accidentally took several 100mg niacin at once out of my vitamin box thinking they were potassium pills (they look alike). I turned beet red in my face, neck, chest, and around my knees and elbows like a severe sunburn. In addition I had some stiffness develop in my elbows. This may have been severe flushing rather than an allergic response. I guess the only way to find out is to take some more in small dosages with some benadryl handy just in case. > The " FLUSH " (normal) Niacin is the one you want -- the flush is caused by vasicular dilation (and implies that there is vascioconstriction) - which is the exact benefit that you want. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 My first niacin flushes were rather startling too. They started as a slow burn on my face, and spread to other areas, as I turned bright red. It would finish with my feeling itchy everywhere. I think I began with 100mg, and now I take 500mg and I rarely experience any flushing now, so I also wonder if I am less toxic, in my capilaries anyway. The quote below, from this webpage, seems reasonable. http://www.oralchelation.com/technical/niacin.htm " When you get that " flush " that means that the small blood vessels in your body are being expanded in size because of the niacin. Many of your small blood vessels, called " capilaries " are so small that blood cells can go through them only in single file. Sometimes, in fact, that small passageway is clogged and blood doesn't get through at all. While the large organs of the body all have blood supplied from large arteries, a great deal of your body, particularly the parts near the surface (skin and surface areas) get their ONLY supply of blood (therefore also of oxygen and food!) from these small capillaries. So, if those capilaries are not carrying the blood, then those parts of the body are not getting nourishment and oxygen. The niacin causes these small capilaries to get larger -- so they might be able to carry two or three blood cells at the same time. This is a tremendous increase in blood flow. You experience this as a reddening of the skin -- simply because there is more blood close to the surface of the body. As this blood flows in these areas the cells of the small capilaries will also be getting rid of their waste products, and often they produce " histamine " as part of that process. That histamine is another natural substance produced by every cell in the body -- when the cell is under attack, or is getting rid of toxins. So, histamine causes an " itchy " feeling. " Laurie Lassesen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Any idea why Berg doesn't suggest Niacin? Even for lp(a) which it is known for lowering. Does he just think if you take heparin it isn't necessary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 My 'reading' of him (having suggested Nootropics and provided the medline literature to him) is that he (in the situation) he is in needing to walk a very fine line -- remember, he is NOT a MD, he is a lab directory/researcher - and that means being conservative... Niacin is not prescription, many CFIDSer would tend to self-medicate, and with brain fog, overmedication is easy. With Niacin - overmedication is dangerous. With bromelain -- there is no equivalent dangers. With the Nootropics, they are not FDA approved and would be prescription IF approved. None of us want his research to be discredited because of bad reactions to things that he suggests... - I will ask him the next time we chat. He knows that my family is heavy on the nootropics (as an experiment) and he did not express any " I don't think you will see significant changes " , he was silent -- which I read as meaning " interested " . This area and its treatments are experimental -- to establish creditability in the general medical community he must stay >publicly< conservative. M Lassesen, M.S. ex " Dr.Gui (MSDN) " , " Dr. VB " cv: http://www.folkarts.com/kenl/ KenL@... Phone: 360 297.4717 Cell: 360 509.8970 Fax 520 832.6836 Re: Niacin Question Any idea why Berg doesn't suggest Niacin? Even for lp(a) which it is known for lowering. Does he just think if you take heparin it isn't necessary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Hi, Just a quick question- is it okay if I take the 100mg of niacin at night? for whatever reason I get horribly tired when I take it in the morning and at lunch...it acts like a sedative for me?? don't think I am imagining this... Also I got my period twice this month? suppose that is nothing to be worried about.. the past two years I would go two months without getting it. Have diarrhea (water comes out..smells like chemicals..sorry to be gross) for two weeks straight but appetite still strong...stomach makes these gurgling rushing sounds of water...I try to laugh when people look at me.. craziest sounds. Been on all supplements and fully on diet with about 2 1/2 tablespoons of coconut oil a day for three weeks now. As always thank you for your guidance! Abbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Thanks Bee, I think maybe more than anything I was looking for you to say Hooray! and onward and upward! needed a bit of encouragement today... Abbie > > > > +++Hi Abbie. How do know it is only the niacin that causes you to become horribly tired, since all of the nutrients in the diet plus other supplements all work together? Niacin is very important for the detoxification pathways in the body and when you are detoxifying you'll get more tired. > +++As you progress your body will normalize more, so don't be concerned in the meantime. > > > +++Diarrhea is created by your body in order to get rid of toxins, which can include chemicals, so that's why they smell so bad. > > +++Also IF you've ever had diarrhea before starting on this program your body will be retracing it while it is healing and detoxifying itself: > http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal10.php > > +++Don't be concerned about the noises your stomach makes, since this be less as you continue on the program too. > > > > Been on all supplements and fully on diet with about 2 1/2 tablespoons of coconut oil a day for three weeks now. > > +++Hooray for you Abbie! Well done! > > Onward & Upward, Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 > > > > Hi, > > Just a quick question- is it okay if I take the 100mg of niacin at night? for whatever reason I get horribly tired when I take it in the morning and at lunch...it acts like a sedative for me?? don't think I am imagining this... > > +++Hi Abbie. How do know it is only the niacin that causes you to become horribly tired, since all of the nutrients in the diet plus other supplements all work together? Niacin is very important for the detoxification pathways in the body and when you are detoxifying you'll get more tired. Hi Abbie, I thought I read somewhere that niacin acted as a muscle relaxer. I did find this. http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6048881/description.html As the article, and Bee states though, niacin works with magnesium and other things to accomplish this. I welcomed this, as I suffered with muscle spasms. Sometimes I do get tired, but it is better than the pain. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:08 PM, cindy_martian <cindy_martian@...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > Just a quick question- is it okay if I take the 100mg of niacin at > night? for whatever reason I get horribly tired when I take it in the > morning and at lunch...it acts like a sedative for me?? don't think I am > imagining this... > > > > +++Hi Abbie. How do know it is only the niacin that causes you to become > horribly tired, since all of the nutrients in the diet plus other > supplements all work together? Niacin is very important for the > detoxification pathways in the body and when you are detoxifying you'll get > more tired. > > Hi Abbie, > > I thought I read somewhere that niacin acted as a muscle relaxer. I did > find this. http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6048881/description.html > > As the article, and Bee states though, niacin works with magnesium and > other things to accomplish this. I welcomed this, as I suffered with muscle > spasms. Sometimes I do get tired, but it is better than the pain. > > C. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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