Guest guest Posted June 23, 1999 Report Share Posted June 23, 1999 Hi Doris, You said, " Following the transplant, and >chelation therapy, he has gone back to rather amazing >good health. " As I was reading you e-mail " chelation therapy " came to mind and I was going to mention it to you. Then I see you have already heard of it and used it. It was developed to take lead out of the blood of miners. But in recent years they have used it for many other types of things. My mother-in-law underwent chelation therapy to clean the plaque out of her arteries. Before she had it done she was on an oxygen and couldn't walk but a couple steps with out turning blue and having to set down. She came out to California from Indiana (her other children wanted to put her in a nursing home, she was in her 70s) had 4 or 5 chelation therapies and now lives by herself back in Indiana and has lived to the age of 84. I am a believer in chelation therapy. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 1999 Report Share Posted November 6, 1999 Hi again, Sunny, I got my lab analysis from my M.D., who is also an environmental and biological doctor in So. Cal. The ACAM site a few people mentioned is great. Noel, I'll fax you a copy of my lab results (I did once already, but that was some time ago now). Yes, I'll talk to Saul too. I know ozone is helpful. I'll be away for the next four days, so I won't answer posts until Wed. Thanks for all the info guys, you're great!!! Tangerine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 As long as you've looked into www.smpsbackfire.com I am too afraid of DMPS. If you have figured out that it is safe, would you pass that along here? My doc says that it very tightly binds the mercury but I am still reticent. I get so sick from any sulfur foods - it could be the sulfur or it could be the sulfur moving the mercury and then letting it go and reditributing. No real way to tell. Have you had a Great Smokies Comprehensive Liver Diagnostic? Mine shows very low sulfation - but that too can be interpreted two ways. Some will say that is the indicator to stay away from sulfur chelators (DMSP etc) and others (my doc) will say that it is an indication of need for sulfur and nothing else. I am pretty lost because this area is such a battle field but thought I would throw in a word (or two!) of caution... Chelation Therapy > > I'm considering doing chelation therapy and would appreciate a few opinions, > after a DMPS challenge test of course. > > My main concern right now is my continuing magnesium deficiency (and red > blood cells that are too large). I continue to have magnesium and mineral > IV's because my cells will not hold on to it. > > I hope I'm making the right choice, since even the challenge test alone is > expensive. Does anyone have suggestions on what else to look into for > cellular problems? > > Vee > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 , I really don't know much about it yet, but I believe that the DMPS is actually the same as getting a chelation treatment except that you collect urine to see what it's removed, and you do a prep before hand. I was told about a 3 week prep of taking chlorella, cilantro and MSM. I'm wondering if there will be any die off symptoms during this period. Hopefully, someone else on the list can enlighten us on all this. Chelation Therapy > > > > > > I'm considering doing chelation therapy and would appreciate a few > opinions, > > after a DMPS challenge test of course. > > > > My main concern right now is my continuing magnesium deficiency (and red > > blood cells that are too large). I continue to have magnesium and mineral > > IV's because my cells will not hold on to it. > > > > I hope I'm making the right choice, since even the challenge test alone is > > expensive. Does anyone have suggestions on what else to look into for > > cellular problems? > > > > Vee > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 Vee, There are a number of chelation therapies. I assume if your doc is doing a DMPS challenge that he/she is setting the stage for DMPS chelations. The supplements you have been asked to take all mobilize mercury in one way or another. How do you feel on them? Please keep researching. > > I really don't know much about it yet, but I believe that the DMPS is > actually the same as getting a chelation treatment except that you collect > urine to see what it's removed, and you do a prep before hand. > > I was told about a 3 week prep of taking chlorella, cilantro and MSM. I'm > wondering if there will be any die off symptoms during this period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 Hi , Here is Dr. Cheneys warning he mentioned from his lecture. If you try to use DMPS and you have low glutathione levels you will feel worse. I think he was also advising to start using whey protein before the DMPS. Carol Sieverlings website might have his exact words since she has a lot of Dr. cheneys lecture summaries. I f I find it I'll post it. Al Chelation Therapy > > > > > > > > > > I'm considering doing chelation therapy and would appreciate a few > > opinions, > > > after a DMPS challenge test of course. > > > > > > My main concern right now is my continuing magnesium deficiency (and red > > > blood cells that are too large). I continue to have magnesium and > mineral > > > IV's because my cells will not hold on to it. > > > > > > I hope I'm making the right choice, since even the challenge test alone > is > > > expensive. Does anyone have suggestions on what else to look into for > > > cellular problems? > > > > > > Vee > > > > > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with > each > > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 Thanks Al. Everyone - how does one check ones glutathione levels? Just realized I have no idea... > Here is Dr. Cheneys warning he mentioned from his lecture. If you try to > use DMPS and you have low glutathione levels you will feel worse. I think he > was also advising to start using whey protein before the DMPS. Carol > Sieverlings website might have his exact words since she has a lot of Dr. > cheneys lecture summaries.Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 Al, please do post this info. Do you think just one DMPS, just to do the test is a problem? I was thinking of doing the test and later on down the road do the treatments if necessary. Vee > Hi , > Here is Dr. Cheneys warning he mentioned from his lecture. If you try to > use DMPS and you have low glutathione levels you will feel worse. I think he > was also advising to start using whey protein before the DMPS. Carol > Sieverlings website might have his exact words since she has a lot of Dr. > cheneys lecture summaries. > I f I find it I'll post it. > Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 Re: Chelation Therapy Hi Vee, I think it's OK just to do the first urine test, they give you 1/4 the amount of DMPS just for the first test to what I remember. Al > Al, > please do post this info. Do you think just one DMPS, just to do the test > is a problem? I was thinking of doing the test and later on down the road > do the treatments if necessary. > > Vee > > > > > Hi , > > Here is Dr. Cheneys warning he mentioned from his lecture. If you try > to > > use DMPS and you have low glutathione levels you will feel worse. I think > he > > was also advising to start using whey protein before the DMPS. Carol > > Sieverlings website might have his exact words since she has a lot of Dr. > > cheneys lecture summaries. > > I f I find it I'll post it. > > Al > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 Dr. Siff, This is just an observation, but, I put NO stock in anything presented to or by Cardiologists pertaining to Chelation therapy. for this reason. If it works, it simply puts these people out of business. End of story. [Actually, this is not so simple, because quite a few doctors also offer the chelation approach - expedience rules the philosophy! If the public wants it and they believe in all the claims, let them have it, but let them pay! Mel Siff] Disease is, first and foremost, a business! you and I are customers, consumers of a product. namely, disease. when there is a cure, or better yet, a prevention, it does the medical community no good whatsoever. I could be wrong but I believe the business of disease is a multi trillion dollar industry. I hardly think these folks are going to be putting themselves out of work anytime soon. I am reading a book by a Dr. Batmanghelidj called, " your body's many cries for water " subtitled, " Your not sick, your thirsty " . It is an eye opener to say the least. I don't intend this to make the Supertraining posting but thought I would just let you know how I felt. [While I fully agree with you that far too many doctors will choose to use an intervention that will maximise their profits, there are many more types of surgery and treatment that cardiothoracic(and other) surgeons can do if they did not perform bypass surgery. Certainly, they would initially take a big cut in profits, but, like the tobacco companies today, they are still flourishing because they have diversified and invested their skills and profits elsewhere. Do what you will, the astute or avaricious business person, whether in white coat, business suit or sportswear, will still find a way to make plenty of money. Mel Siff] Robbie Stark. St , N.Y. P.S. And for the record, I believe there are as many hucksters and quacks on the alternative medicine side as the conventional side. Chelation Therapy > For those of you who may not be aware of chelation therapy, an alternative > from of therapy for " blocked arteries " , angina pectoris and other serious > cardiac complaints, this article is worth reading, especially since many > favourable articles have been written on this very controversial form of therapy. > > Of course, there are other articles supporting the value of > chelation therapy, but this is one of the very few that has compared > chelation with a placebo and found it to be wanting. This article can serve > as a starting point on this topic that may become important in any of your > lives if you are diagnosed with heart disease. After careful discussions > with extremely experienced cardiac surgeons and cardiologists, I did not > hesitate to undergo quadruple bypass surgery after my near-fatal heart attack > about 4 years ago. > > -------------------------- > > <http://www.nando.com/noframes/story/0,2107,500466075-500712131-503928765-0, 00.html> > > Chelation Therapy doesn't help Heart Patients, study finds > > By DANIEL Q. HANEY, Associated Press > > ORLANDO, Fla. (March 21, 2001) - Infusing the bloodstream with chelation does > nothing to relieve heart disease, according to the first careful test of this > widely used form of alternative medicine. > > Although precise numbers are scarce, doctors say millions of dollars are > spent in the United States each year on this therapy, which is intended to > relieve chest pain [and replace coronary artery bypass surgery!]. > > The treatment is administered by doctors but is generally not covered by > insurance and has not been subjected to the kind of rigorous testing required > of most drugs. Doctors from the University of Calgary, working with chelation > advocates, set out to study the approach in a rigorously controlled six-month > experiment. > > " We saw no benefit from chelation therapy, " said Dr. D. Wyse, who > presented the results Wednesday in Orlando at a meeting of the American > College of Cardiology. > > Chelation therapy involves administering the manmade amino acid EDTA - > ethylenediamine tetraacetic acid - into the veins. It is ordinarily used to > treat mercury or lead poisoning, because EDTA latches onto heavy metals so > they can be excreted in the urine. In heart disease, proponents say the > treatment probably works by reducing the damaging effects of oxygen and > perhaps by removing calcium from the buildups that clog the arteries. > Supposedly this causes the buildups to break up and disappear. > > A single treatment takes about two hours and typically costs $75 to $110. > Often 25 to 40 treatments are given, and usually patients must pay the bills. > Because advocates in Canada argued the treatment should be covered by > insurance, the Alberta government sponsored Wyse's study to test its worth. > > Wyse said he designed the study with advice from members of the American > College for Advancement in Medicine, an alternative medicine organization. In > all, 84 heart patients were randomly assigned to get chelation or dummy > injections. > > They got two treatments a week for 15 weeks, followed by monthly treatments > for three months. After six months, Wyse said, " there was absolutely no > difference between the two groups. " Both those who got the treatment and > those who did not were able to increase their walking time on a treadmill by > an average of one minute. " My advice to patients is not changed, " Wyse said. > " There is no evidence that it works. " > > Dr. Janson of Arlington, Mass., past president of the American > College for Advancement in Medicine, questioned whether the study included > enough patients. > > " I've been doing it for 18 years and have seen some dramatic differences, " he > said. " I've been really impressed with it. " He said three-quarters of his > patients respond and are able to walk farther and have less chest pain. > > The American Heart Association and several other medical organizations are > skeptical about chelation. " We now have some concrete information that > should help patients decide how to spend their health care dollars, " said Dr. > Rose Marie on of Vanderbilt University, the heart association's > president. > > Dr. Vogel of the University of land said chelation can actually be > harmful if patients choose it over proven treatments and lifestyle changes. > > Janson estimated that 2,500 doctors in the United States offer chelation > therapy. > > --------------------- > > Dr Mel C Siff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 Hi Sheri Can you give me any info on chelation therapy and its effects on cleansing metals from the body. I am interested in finding out more about the usefulness of the procedure, side effects and if anyone has successfully had this interventin. Also, the difference between this and what a classic homeoptath would do for the same. You may rememer I had consulted Dr. Mercola and another doctor regarding the same. I was not very satisified with their input. THanks Michel _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Thanks for the info. I have tried six weeks of accupuncture, and it didn't help anything, energy or headaches. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Thanks for the info. I have tried six weeks of accupuncture, and it didn't help anything, energy or headaches. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 A long time ago there was a discussion on this...I don't remember the details. It is pretty far out there as far as treatments go. There is no real research as to detrimental effects of this treatment...short term or long term. Personally, I would not try it but you need to make your own decision. Accupuncture can improve your energy level and there are no detrimental sides to accupuncture. Tatezi chelation therapy Hello all, A friend of mine told me that he is taking chelation therapy for hepatitis c, and he has much more energy. He says it is hydrogen peroxide and vitamin c, an infusion right into the bloodstream. Does anyone know anything about this treatment. I know it is considered alternative medicine and the internet gives both pro and con. If anyone is taking chelation therapy or has done so, please inform me of the results. I would do anything for a little more energy. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 A long time ago there was a discussion on this...I don't remember the details. It is pretty far out there as far as treatments go. There is no real research as to detrimental effects of this treatment...short term or long term. Personally, I would not try it but you need to make your own decision. Accupuncture can improve your energy level and there are no detrimental sides to accupuncture. Tatezi chelation therapy Hello all, A friend of mine told me that he is taking chelation therapy for hepatitis c, and he has much more energy. He says it is hydrogen peroxide and vitamin c, an infusion right into the bloodstream. Does anyone know anything about this treatment. I know it is considered alternative medicine and the internet gives both pro and con. If anyone is taking chelation therapy or has done so, please inform me of the results. I would do anything for a little more energy. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 In a message dated 3/23/2004 8:18:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, tatezi@... writes: > Hello all, > A friend of mine told me that he is taking chelation therapy for > hepatitis c, and he has much more energy. He says it is hydrogen > peroxide and vitamin c, an infusion right into the bloodstream. Does > anyone know anything about this treatment. I know it is considered > alternative medicine and the internet gives both pro and con. If > anyone is taking chelation therapy or has done so, please inform me > of the results. I would do anything for a little more energy. Terry > Dear Terry, I, too, vaguely remember some discussion on chelation therapy. The idea of injecting anyone with hydrogen peroxide strikes me as being so far out in left field as to not be worth considering. Fighting external infection is one thing. Using the same method internally might not be a great idea. One of the many things I did and continue to do as an energy boost is to take a 10 minute prayer or meditation break. It helps. It also gives you a calm down time. In the process of aquiring this disease, I also was injected with two air bubbles, so calming down is something that I need to do, periodically. It also seems to help with the interferon brain fog. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 In a message dated 3/23/2004 8:18:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, tatezi@... writes: > Hello all, > A friend of mine told me that he is taking chelation therapy for > hepatitis c, and he has much more energy. He says it is hydrogen > peroxide and vitamin c, an infusion right into the bloodstream. Does > anyone know anything about this treatment. I know it is considered > alternative medicine and the internet gives both pro and con. If > anyone is taking chelation therapy or has done so, please inform me > of the results. I would do anything for a little more energy. Terry > Dear Terry, I, too, vaguely remember some discussion on chelation therapy. The idea of injecting anyone with hydrogen peroxide strikes me as being so far out in left field as to not be worth considering. Fighting external infection is one thing. Using the same method internally might not be a great idea. One of the many things I did and continue to do as an energy boost is to take a 10 minute prayer or meditation break. It helps. It also gives you a calm down time. In the process of aquiring this disease, I also was injected with two air bubbles, so calming down is something that I need to do, periodically. It also seems to help with the interferon brain fog. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 I suppose if lead were the toxin of choice to put in vaccines, DMSA might not even be known! When I look at all the roadblocks thrown up to resist us, I always come back to Mark Geier's words to us in an interview we conducted with him... " this is NOT going to go away! It's too big! " That alone gives me faith that we will win. I only hope it is in time to help those already injured, and to prevent the ranks from growing. Even should my daughter recover tomorrow, I will live out my life fighting back for the years I've lost with my daughter. For every " I love you daddy, " " I love you mommy, " that we never heard... for every finger painting that comes back from school that I know my daughter didn't really make and for every blood curtling scream with tantrums we have to watch when she has a meltdown... I will not let this go away. Knowing I'm not alone gives me hope. Sorry, it's late and I needed to rant. Nanstiel Chicago > Noah, > My son received 125 times his EPA's allowable exposure to mercury in one day. He became symptomatic and was found to have toxic levels of mercury in his body. In my opinion it would be considered medical negligence not to treat him. Funny how when a child is found to have elevated levels of lead, chelation therapy with DMSA is state of the art treatment. But if a child is autistic and found to have a body burden of metals, somehow the same treatment becomes dangerous. Go figure... > Lyn > > This e-mail message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not an addressee or otherwise authorized to receive this message, you should not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this email or any information contained in the message. If you have received this material in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank-you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 > I suppose if lead were the toxin of choice to put in vaccines, DMSA might not even be known! > DMSA chelates lead. Hokkanen Minneapolis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Hi , Yes, I know. But what I was implying is that if we were talking about lead causing autism (and not mercury), DMSA might not have been as well known because it wouldn't be promoted by our government (as a treatment for lead)...who would instead be trying to tell us how safe lead is for use in vaccines! > > I suppose if lead were the toxin of choice to put in vaccines, DMSA > might not even be known! > > > DMSA chelates lead. > > Hokkanen > Minneapolis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 Hello Bee, I have a high percentage of mercury and lead in my body. My Do Doctor suggested 30 chelation treatments to remove the metals. I'm not totally convinced that this is the route to take. May, I ask your opinion on the matter. Thanks very kindly, Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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