heartburn

[Guest guest]

Please keep me in your thoughts and prayers...lately, everything I eat gives

me heartburn!!! Stress? Anxiety? Spicy foods? Who knows??

Even plain stuff is giving me heartburn........

:-(

[Guest guest]

I am thinking it is anxiety...

Jeannie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/2/00 5:16:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ltb3105@...

writes:

<< Please keep me in your thoughts and prayers...lately, everything I eat

gives

me heartburn!!! Stress? Anxiety? Spicy foods? Who knows??

Even plain stuff is giving me heartburn........

:-(

>>

Prayers being sent . Better get it checked to rule out anything really

bad. Better to be safe than sorry. (((((hugs)))))

Gail

[Guest guest]

ill keep you in my prayers, in the mean time break out the tums, i live off

those! often, and a great source of calcium.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/16/01 8:21:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

bodyforlife writes:

<< The water is constant, have always done this. Maybe the change

in time to daylight savings?, or weather? (getting warmer here)

but I cannot come up with anything else. >>

Could you be pregnant? I'm serious.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/16/01 8:21:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

bodyforlife writes:

<< The water is constant, have always done this. Maybe the change

in time to daylight savings?, or weather? (getting warmer here)

but I cannot come up with anything else. >>

Could you be pregnant? I'm serious.

[Guest guest]

I did start my protonix....I take it in the morning before breakfast...Dana

said I may need to take it again before bedtime. I find that around 9 pm it

starts to wear off and get heartburn again. When I take it again it seems

to clear up within 1/2 Hour.

10days out

down 15lbs.

>

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Don

Heartburn

Hi,

I've been eating nothing but beneficial fruits, vegetables, and proteins for

the past couple of weeks, only occasional grain (Ezekial bread twice), and

I've been experiencing heartburn in the evenings. I don't eat after dinner.

Any thoughts as to what this might be? How I might treat it?

Thanks, Carolyn

[Guest guest]

certain fruits and vegetables make acid in your stomach

Heartburn

> Hi,

>

> I've been eating nothing but beneficial fruits, vegetables, and proteins

for the past couple of weeks, only occasional grain (Ezekial bread twice),

and I've been experiencing heartburn in the evenings. I don't eat after

dinner.

>

> Any thoughts as to what this might be? How I might treat it?

>

> Thanks, Carolyn

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn,

I have found that if I eat raw fruit with my cooked meal, or even follow

with the raw fruit too closely to the cooked meal, it causes me problems

with gas. Maybe this is part of what's causing you this problem.

Donna....in the Land of Oz, USA

>Hi,

>

>I've been eating nothing but beneficial fruits, vegetables, and proteins

for the past couple of weeks, only occasional grain (Ezekial bread twice),

and I've been experiencing heartburn in the evenings. I don't eat after

dinner.

>

>Any thoughts as to what this might be? How I might treat it?

>

>Thanks, Carolyn

>

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Opernschule BGZ, Y.Zollikofer wrote:

> certain fruits and vegetables make acid in your stomach

>

Dear and all,

Many people mistake alkali burning in the stomach as acid burning.

Fruits and vegetables do not cause acid to be secreted but alkali.

Protein causes acid to be secreted.

If you have heartburn from acid after eating meat for example, it can be

slowed down by eating fruit to cause acid excretion.

If you have heartburn from eating fruit it will be alkali heartburn

(which burns like oven cleaner lye - so is every bit as bad as acid

heartburn) and it will improve if you eat protein to produce acid.

Often the heartburn is because there is a vitamin or other nutrient

deficiency and the body can not make *enough* of the acid or alkali

needed - and that can also cause heartburn.

It's not all that simple to figure out heartburn, you need balanced

meals with protein and fruit/veg at the same meal (contrary to the BS

hyped by some food combining theories touted by those with no zoology

training).

In fact the *worst* thing you can do is to swallow an antacid when you

have too much acid. That tells your feedback mechanism that it must not

have made enough acid and next time it will secrete even more - and your

condition will gradually get worse and worse.

So the trick is to eat the right nutrients to make the right acid and

alkali and to eat a balanced meal that is not overloaded with either

fruit/veg to make alkali or protein to make acid. This is why a high

meat meal is traditionally served with a glass of red wine and a dessert

- the alcohol and sugar causes more alkali secretion and it counters any

overload acid left over from eating a huge chink of meat at one time. If

you are deficient in nutrients - it is even more likely that you have

insufficient resources to produce the needed acid for a lot of meat -

and you can be left with an alkali heartburn after the meal!

It's only left over acid or alkali that will cancel each other. During

actual digestion of foods there are special buffers in the stomach to

keep the acids working on protein and the alkalis working on fruit/veg.

We are so well designed - if we just try not to abuse it too much :-))

I would suggest working on the causes of heartburn as the main effort

and using foods careful to cancel acid or alkali - not to get them

confused. It's as likely to be alkali burn as acid burn. You don't want

to make it worse. A little experimenting may tell you which you have,

and if eating protein does not help a too fruit/veg meal and vice versa

then you probably need to look to your nutrition - you may be unable to

make what you need.

I have a hard time making enough acid - as cortisol messes with my

metabolism in that area, so I usually have alkali heartburn, and need to

eat small amounts of protein every now and then to avoid or overcome it

- not a heavy load of it.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Irene de Villiers wrote:

> If you have heartburn from acid after eating meat for example, it can be

> slowed down by eating fruit to cause acid excretion.

Darn!! Typo that - It can be slowed down by eating fruit to cause

*alkali* excretion.

Sorry!!!!!!!

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

[Guest guest]

yes, you are right -

great explanation - thanks !

Re: Heartburn

>

> Opernschule BGZ, Y.Zollikofer wrote:

> > certain fruits and vegetables make acid in your stomach

> >

>

> Dear and all,

> Many people mistake alkali burning in the stomach as acid burning.

> Fruits and vegetables do not cause acid to be secreted but alkali.

> Protein causes acid to be secreted.

>

> If you have heartburn from acid after eating meat for example, it can be

> slowed down by eating fruit to cause acid excretion.

>

> If you have heartburn from eating fruit it will be alkali heartburn

> (which burns like oven cleaner lye - so is every bit as bad as acid

> heartburn) and it will improve if you eat protein to produce acid.

>

> Often the heartburn is because there is a vitamin or other nutrient

> deficiency and the body can not make *enough* of the acid or alkali

> needed - and that can also cause heartburn.

> It's not all that simple to figure out heartburn, you need balanced

> meals with protein and fruit/veg at the same meal (contrary to the BS

> hyped by some food combining theories touted by those with no zoology

> training).

>

> In fact the *worst* thing you can do is to swallow an antacid when you

> have too much acid. That tells your feedback mechanism that it must not

> have made enough acid and next time it will secrete even more - and your

> condition will gradually get worse and worse.

>

> So the trick is to eat the right nutrients to make the right acid and

> alkali and to eat a balanced meal that is not overloaded with either

> fruit/veg to make alkali or protein to make acid. This is why a high

> meat meal is traditionally served with a glass of red wine and a dessert

> - the alcohol and sugar causes more alkali secretion and it counters any

> overload acid left over from eating a huge chink of meat at one time. If

> you are deficient in nutrients - it is even more likely that you have

> insufficient resources to produce the needed acid for a lot of meat -

> and you can be left with an alkali heartburn after the meal!

>

> It's only left over acid or alkali that will cancel each other. During

> actual digestion of foods there are special buffers in the stomach to

> keep the acids working on protein and the alkalis working on fruit/veg.

> We are so well designed - if we just try not to abuse it too much :-))

>

> I would suggest working on the causes of heartburn as the main effort

> and using foods careful to cancel acid or alkali - not to get them

> confused. It's as likely to be alkali burn as acid burn. You don't want

> to make it worse. A little experimenting may tell you which you have,

> and if eating protein does not help a too fruit/veg meal and vice versa

> then you probably need to look to your nutrition - you may be unable to

> make what you need.

>

> I have a hard time making enough acid - as cortisol messes with my

> metabolism in that area, so I usually have alkali heartburn, and need to

> eat small amounts of protein every now and then to avoid or overcome it

> - not a heavy load of it.

>

> Namaste,

> Irene

> --

> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

> P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

> http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

> Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I have found that if I eat raw fruit with my cooked meal, or even follow

> with the raw fruit too closely to the cooked meal, it causes me problems

> with gas. Maybe this is part of what's causing you this problem.

> Donna....in the Land of Oz, USA

Thanks, Donna. When is the best time to eat fruit, then? I've gotten

conflicting opinions on that. Right now I do eat fruit at the end of every

meal, and usually a fruit/nut snack in the afternoon. Should I *begin* my

meals with the fruit instead? Wait until later to eat it?

Thanks, Carolyn

[Guest guest]

A couple of months ago I wrote to the list in a panic, because I had

terrible heartburn that wouldn't quit. It never did subside until more than

two hours had passed. I haven't really had a lot of heartburn in my life,

but I think I have identified a pattern.

It seems to happen after 1) I have eaten too much, even of approved type

O foods, a day or two before *and* 2) I have eaten chocolate within 24 hours

before. Perhaps when I ate too much, I was eating too much fruit or grains,

also. In any case, something about the overeating must upset the PH balance

of my stomach, and then the chocolate relaxes the esophagal muscle. Many

times I have eaten a fair amount of chocolate without getting heartburn, but

every time I've had the heartburn I can point to an episode of eating too

much.

Irene, I really appreciate the input on the possibility that it is an

alkalai burn, not an acid burn, that one is experiencing. That helps me

begin to understand better what can be a real mystery of complexity.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

Hi Jalaine, So sorry your tummy is acting up! My guess would be it's

something that you haven't normally been eating. Perhaps acidic

food, citrus, tomatoes, peppers, seasonings? Also, maybe your gut is

adjusting to eating smaller portions so often. Although I've never

heard of that being the case. The only advice I can offer is to try

to eat more bland as far as seasonings and salt go, watch the acidic

food don't to eat too close to bed until things settle down. When

you go to bed at night and lay down is when the acid will really

travel up the esophagus. Sorry I couldn't be more help.

By the way, I looked at your name " gardenimp " and for a split second

I thought it said " gardenPIMP, " and I envisioned a garden gnome

dressed up like huggy bear in a a purple velour suit and a big hat

with a feather trying to get money out of the Creeping or

Black-eyed s. Sorry, I have a twisted little brain...

> I am in the middle of my 3rd week on BFL and in the last couple of

> days I have had the worst heartburn. Has anyone else had this

> problem?

>

> I hate to throw off my diet by drinking Maalox but I am desperate

> (Tums don't work unless I chew a handfull of them) this is as bad

as

> I had when I was pregnant!!

[Guest guest]

You are too funny Garden Pimp tee hee. I love the 'purple velour

suit' wait... I think I've seen him. (lol j/k) I hate taking

medicine but maybe I'll try one of the Zantac type medicine just til

my body adjusts.

Thanks for responding & making me laugh :-)

> > I am in the middle of my 3rd week on BFL and in the last couple

of

> > days I have had the worst heartburn. Has anyone else had this

> > problem?

> >

> > I hate to throw off my diet by drinking Maalox but I am

desperate

> > (Tums don't work unless I chew a handfull of them) this is as

bad

> as

> > I had when I was pregnant!!

[Guest guest]

I deal with this all the time, it is a pain in the butt. I have

found that taking 1 Prilosec every morning really helps. You can buy

them at WalMart for $10.00 for a 2 week supply.

> I am in the middle of my 3rd week on BFL and in the last couple of

> days I have had the worst heartburn. Has anyone else had this

> problem?

>

> I hate to throw off my diet by drinking Maalox but I am desperate

> (Tums don't work unless I chew a handfull of them) this is as bad

as

> I had when I was pregnant!!

[Guest guest]

, I'm new to the group. I was diagnosed in 2000. Had a heller

myotomy in 2001. Had a ballon dialation later that year. I was non

symtomatic for about 2 years, and then the reflux kicked in. For me

it's a daily thing. If I don't take my meds (prilosec or nexium)

daily, I suffer severely. I am scheduled for a follow up in Feb. to

see if I slipped some stitches on my plication. The myotomy was the

best thing I did, and also the worst. My case was so severe that I

was starving to death, no joke. 100 lbs. in 4 mnths. But... the

doctors never explained, or didn't know the side effects and

consequences (sp?) of surgury. Talk to your doctor about the burn.

Especially if it gets worse. E

[Guest guest]

: " Joan Pearse " <jpearse@...>

<achalasia >

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 7:36 PM

Subject: Re: Re: heartburn

> - welcome to the group.

> I am glad you have decided to post and we would like to hear more about

your

> experiences.

> You say that 'The myotomy was the best thing I did, and also the worst.'

Why

> the worst?

>

> The reason I am asking is that it is important for people who need a

myotomy

> to understand that if the myotomy is done before there is significant

> stretching of the oesophagus then it is more likely to be successful. We

> believe that those with this condition must understand it in all its

> complexities to, not only make the right decisions, but to be able to

accept

> it and learn to live with it.

>

> I had a very dilated oesophagus when I had a myotomy with a fundoplication

> (partial wrap) and it was not a great success. I had no reflux or problems

> with acid after the op. Two years on I had a dilatation and then the

reflux

> and acid struck with a vengeance. I think the fundooplication was damaged

> during the dilatation, but my gastroenterologist says there is no way this

> can happen. He says that most of the acid now comes from the decaying food

> that is collected in the pockets formed in my stretched oesophagus. He

could

> be right ! Some days it is worse than others.

> The fact that Nexium works for you shows that it is probably mostly

stomach

> acid.

>

> Do you know if your oesophagus is dilated / stretched out ? Have they done

a

> recent barium x-ray and how does it compare with the last one.

> Doctors often find it difficult to explain to patients the details about a

> condition like this. Some times I suspect they don't know what it is all

> about anyway and only just know how to do the surgery. There are also

those

> who believe in telling the patient as little as possible in the belief

that

> he will have less to worry about !

> Knowledge is strength !

> Good wishes

> Joan

>

>

> Re: heartburn

>

>

> >

> >

> > , I'm new to the group. I was diagnosed in 2000. Had a heller

> > myotomy in 2001. Had a ballon dialation later that year. I was non

> > symtomatic for about 2 years, and then the reflux kicked in. For me

> > it's a daily thing. If I don't take my meds (prilosec or nexium)

> > daily, I suffer severely. I am scheduled for a follow up in Feb. to

> > see if I slipped some stitches on my plication. My case was so severe

> that I

> > was starving to death, no joke. 100 lbs. in 4 mnths. But... the

> > doctors never explained, or didn't know the side effects and

> > consequences (sp?) of surgury. Talk to your doctor about the burn.

> > Especially if it gets worse. E

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You'd be better off taking a tablespoon of fresh lemon. It almost instantly

disappears. You want to ask why lemon which is acid? Well true lemon is acid

on the outside, but once it is in

the intestines it turns to alkaline. I take a tablespoon of lemon or lime

juice whenever i have heartburn, acidic stomach, etc.

Heartburn

I would like to know if you can use coconut oil for heartburn?

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[Guest guest]

> You'd be better off taking a tablespoon of fresh lemon. It almost

> instantly disappears. You want to ask why lemon which is acid? Well

> true lemon is acid on the outside, but once it is in

> the intestines it turns to alkaline. I take a tablespoon of lemon

> or lime juice whenever i have heartburn, acidic stomach, etc.

>

>

, you got the heartburn remedy right but you have confused the

process by which it works.

Hypochlorhydria, and GERD that is not caused by infection, is usually

quickly corrected by using acidic foods or supplements such as

betaine HCl or glutamic acid with meals. These stomach disorders have

nothing to do with either the intestines or the use of alkaline ash

foods; alkaline ash foods are used to netralize tissue and lymph

acidity.

regards,

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

<You want to ask why lemon which is acid?>

That's a weird and interesting thing. I have had two bouts with Uric

Acid Kidney Stones and one of the things my kidney stone book says to

do (besides the medication I have to take and less animal protein) is

to drink lemonade made from fresh lemons (not instant). I did not

understand that at the time either. I thought: Wouldn't drinking

something acidic make the urine more acidic? But it actually makes

the urine LESS acidic. Who woulda thunk it? - Kathy B.

[Guest guest]

Hey Sandy,

Hhmmm..I didn't have any triggers mentioned below and didn't eat

several hours prior to bed. I'm going to do the same again tonight and

see if there is any difference. I TOTALLY agree regarding not getting

another fill until this is taken care of. I had my last fluro with my

last slight unfill back in January and all was well with the band under

fluro. My next appointment is June 17th. I'm going to wait to call

Peggy in another week since I've had this fill for 5 months and I've

had NO problems at all until these last couple of weeks so I highly

suspect it's a trigger food rather than the band (at least I'm hoping).

Kem in Eugene

286/235/170

Dr. Neal 8.6.04

<º)))><

<<Kem, You might think about cutting out the reflux " triggers " -

coffee, alcohol, caffeine, spicy stuff, cutrus, peppermint. Also,

raise the head of your bed 5 inches on blocks. Adding a couple

pillows so you are laying more upright is *NOT* the same, and can

cause even more reflux. Yoiu body needs to be flat, with the head 5

inches above the stomach. Extra pillows bend you at the waist,

causing more back-preessure. This takes a bit of getting used to but

really does work.Drink the glass of water a full gour before bedtime,

too, instead of 1/2 hr.

If these things don't work, you really need some fill out for a rest.

REflux very oftren means you ar too filled, even if you don't feel

tight enough. Don't know when your last fluoro was, but if more than

a few months, ot would be good to get one to be sure the band is in

good position. Don't even think about another fill until the reflux

is totally gone for at least several weeks, so all the inevitable

irritation and possible damage can heal well.

Talk with Dr Neal, too - he may wish you to start a prescription

antacid like Protonix (tiny tabs and very effective) until you and he

figure out what is going on.

ANY reflux is too much and can be very dangerous in several ways, as

you know. Good luck - Sandy R--- >>

[Guest guest]

Deborah,

Try and not eat anything about 3 to 4 hours before you go to bed.

Remember that the food stays there for a longer time and this causes

the reflux.

See if this works if not the doctor can recommend something for the

heartburn but this usually takes care for the problem.

Nina

>

> I often get heartburn. Is this normal? Does anyone else get it?

Is

> there something I should take daily. I especially get it when I

sleep.

>

> Deborah F.

>