heartburn

July 3, 2009

On 7/3/09, sherryskapik <sherryskapik@...> wrote:

>

> Okay, I have a (maybe two) question for the experts in the

> group....Does anyone know some natural remedies for heartburn?

I used to have GERD pretty bad. The doctor put me through two separate

courses of ulcer treatments and a daily dose of prilosec but none of

that fixed it - still raged every day and I couldn't lay down to

sleep.

It went away completely when I went raw.

Sparrow

July 3, 2009

Thanks Sparrow....Going completely raw for me probably isn't going to happen. I

do as much as I can, but since I have to cook for the family.........

Sherry

>

> Okay, I have a (maybe two) question for the experts in the

> group....Does anyone know some natural remedies for heartburn?

I used to have GERD pretty bad. The doctor put me through two separate

courses of ulcer treatments and a daily dose of prilosec but none of

that fixed it - still raged every day and I couldn't lay down to

sleep.

It went away completely when I went raw.

Sparrow

July 3, 2009

On 7/3/09, Sherry Skapik <sherryskapik@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks Sparrow....Going completely raw for me probably isn't

> going to happen. I do as much as I can, but since I have to

> cook for the family.........

I hear you. I cook for the husband so I make two separate meals every

time. It's not as big of a pain as it sounds, though, because my stuff

is so quick and easy that I can put it together in the five minutes

I'm waiting for something of his to heat up or fry or whatever. It's

so worth it to me, though, because I feel so awesome. I was walking

someplace earlier today and the thought popped into my head: " it feels

so good to be young! " That's a pretty cool random thought to have at

age 42, if you ask me. :-)

Going vegan didn't make a dent in the GERD, by the way. I was still

constantly feeling like I had a fiery lump in my throat. I don't know

any other natural remedies for heartburn . . . I really do think it

comes down to the fundamentals of diet. Try eliminating things from

your diet until you hit on whatever it is that isn't agreeing with

your system. Keep a journal if you have to. Every time you have

heartburn, add what you ate to the list and stop eating it. When the

heartburn finally goes away, try adding those things back to your

diet, one at a time, and see how it affects you. Eventually you'll hit

on the thing or things that you just can't eat any more. Best wishes!

Sparrow

July 3, 2009

I have no idea if it works, but recently read that chia gel gets rid of it!

If you have some chia, why not give it a go? Let us know!

:~)

Thia

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Sherry Skapik <sherryskapik@...>wrote:

>

> Thanks Sparrow....Going completely raw for me probably isn't going to

> happen. I do as much as I can, but since I have to cook for the

> family.........

> Sherry

>

> >

> > Okay, I have a (maybe two) question for the experts in the

> > group....Does anyone know some natural remedies for heartburn?

>

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July 3, 2009

I went looking for that page where I read it a few days ago-- but found this

one instead. It mentions it briefly.

http://www.tarryall.net/NutriChia.html

:~)

Thia

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Thia (aka: pixx) <pixxley@...> wrote:

> I have no idea if it works, but recently read that chia gel gets rid of

> it! If you have some chia, why not give it a go? Let us know!

>

> :~)

> Thia

>

> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Sherry Skapik <sherryskapik@...>wrote:

>

>>

>> Thanks Sparrow....Going completely raw for me probably isn't going to

>> happen. I do as much as I can, but since I have to cook for the

>> family.........

>> Sherry

>>

>> >

>> > Okay, I have a (maybe two) question for the experts in the

>> > group....Does anyone know some natural remedies for heartburn?

>>

>

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July 3, 2009

I am not an expert but here is my 2 cents worth...

Don't know if I was having heart burn or not, but I purchased some Beano and

it has really helped my gastric issues. I have to take it if eating

broccolli or radish sprouts certain beans, if I eat out because of no

telling what is in their food. It is apparently derived from natural

sources. I just have not purchased from the local health food store yet.

Also, sometimes peppermint tea can ease a stomach.

R

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:27 PM, sherryskapik <sherryskapik@...> wrote:

>

July 3, 2009

GERD is NOT just simple 'heart burn' -- it's best to be thought of as

" pre-cancerous warnings' -- Now 'heart burn' as a GENERAL symptom can

be a gabillion things from brain tumors and heart attacks, to liver or

pancreatic cancers. So it's not 'just nothing' -- and I can't make

this statement more clear than IT IS PRECANCEROUS.

Generally, here is how the 'GENERAL' way works. Your stomach pumps out

lots of different acids and enzymes and stuff like that. As you get

older the 'valve' at the top of your stomach gets 'lose' and some of

the acids and things leak through to your lower esophagus. Now we have

two kinds of things going on: 1) the enzymes, amino acids, acids, and

stuff - called 'digestive juices' from here on leak into the lower esophagus,

and start digesting it -- one of a couple of things begin to

happen at this point -- you begin to grow 'stomach' tissue into your esophagus,

and sometimes you begin to grow intestine like tissue in

your esophagus (your 'food pipe') OR you grow a stomach-LIKE or

Intestine-LIKE tissue in your food pipe. These tissues don't belong

there and your body knows it.

(See the article in Wikipedia:

http://tinyurl.com/m27qbq )

When your grow them they weaken the 'valve (a type of muscle called a

'sphincter' [and more technically a 'stricture' but let's keep this

simple] -- the most common one you are probably familiar with is your

butt -- when it loosens up, you sometimes 'leak' bowel contents onto

your clothes). When the valve at the top of your stomach gets lose,

you leak stomach contents into your throat. Some of the tissue that

grows is either just plain stomach tissue and is sort-of-OK like

smoking or drinking is kind of ok. When it is the stomach like tissue,

it is anywhere from VERY EXTREMELY pre-cancerous to sourta precancerous

-- like smoking and drinking. A common type of this kind of tissue is

called " Baretts Syndrome " or " Barretts Esophogus'. And it can turn

into cancer.

If it is of long standing, it is now becoming to be recognized as a

major cause of laryngeal cancers, and is suspected to be a cause of

cancers of the lower tounge.

There are many things you can do once it starts -- but the FIRST think

you REALLY need to do is to go see your doctor and ask about being

'scoped' -- that is, having a invasive exam of your throat where a GI

specialist will look at your throat and at the tissue right around the

'valve' -- you are generally on a very nice 'cocktail' of drugs that

puts you out completely -- so you simply pretty much 'go to sleep' and

wake up -- wait until you can stand up and not fall over -- and have

someone drive you home --

When you wake up the doctor will tell you one of 3 things: A) you are

OK, 2) you have an ulcer, 3) he has taken a biopsy and will send it

away for a pathologist to look at. This means one of two things: A) if

it is in your throat, you probably have some kind of tissue change and

it's probably OK, or if it is in your stomach you have some kind of

tissue change and he'll call you with the results. A VERY reaching

thing to hear him say is that you need more tests -- and that can mean

a lot of different things. The main thing to remember is that today is

not five years ago and five years ago is not ten years ago and ten

years ago is not fifteen years ago.

The reason I say that is that today MOST CANCERS ARE CURABLE. Let me

say that again: EARLY DETECTING INCREASES YOUR CHANCES OF SURVIVAL BY

SEVERAL HUNDRED PERCENT -- the longer you wait because you might be

scared, the less likely you are to survive even simple cancers like

laryngeal cancers -- even early stage lung cancers that are caught

EARLY STAGE are CURABLE.

THE SOONER YOU KNOW, THE GREATER YOUR CHANCE OF SURVIVAL.

This goes for GERD too -- it's not 'just heart burn' -=- it is your

body telling you that something is wrong, and what might be wrong can

be SIMPLE GERD -- or it can be Stomach Cancer.

Seriously.

Your body also has things called 'referred' pain -- that is pain that

you feel in one place -- like a back ache --- and you are having a

heart attack. OR you feel a sharp needle like pain in your big toe --

and it means you are having a certain kind of stroke (bleading) in your

brain -- So just because you feel 'heart burn' it is actually one of

the more common kinds of pain you feel like the classic 'pain in the

left arm' -- 'heart burn' is ONE of the CLASSIC symptoms of a heart

attack - and 'heart attacks' come in many different flavors just like

most things.

I don't know what you mean by 'natural cure' -- that can be ANYTHING

from 1) don't drink or eat ANYTHING within two to three hours of going

to bed -- even if that means that you will spend two hours on a pillow

watching TV before you go to bed. Just shut up and follow that rule:

NOTHING BY MOUTH FOR TWO OR THREE HOURS BEFORE YOU GO TO BED -- A

liberal doctor will say 1 to 1 1/2 hours, a conservative doctor will

tell you 3 hours which is the general maximum time it takes to empty

your stomach, TWO HOURS is a good number that EVERYONE seems to make

concessions to arrive at -- the liberal will add an hour, and the conservative

will give up an hour -- and so they meet in the middle at

two hours.

2) drink LOTS of water during the day -- if you have 'hard' water --

don't do this - but don't buy bottled water for many reasons, one of

which we all now know is that it puts out a chemical into the water

that causes stomach cancer among other thing. So NO BOTTLED WATER --

buy a water filter from Britta or other company that filters out the

chemicals suspended in your water and keep the filter changed as per

the instructions -- while they are obviously on the conservative side,

that is, they say to change it more often than you need, they take into

account how people procrastinate -- it's all a sub-specialty within

the food industry - so by the time you get around to changing it, it

REALLY needs it. So you can go from several gallons to several tens of

gallons depending on the type of water filter you have -- even hundreds

of gallons if it's a whole-house filter -- but DO try to follow the

direction - and if they say to 'back flush' -- do it -- just like you

do your hot water tank every year -- you DO do that, don't you? ---

see? you don't. woops. So look upon it as a medical device and treat

it like one.

3) how 'natural' do you want -- baking soad -- sodium bicarbonate is a

naturally occuring mineral -- it's like taking sulfur, calcium, potassium, zinc,

etc -- it's simply a naturally occurring mineral that

reacts with the acid and turns it 'neutral'. When you take it it will

produce a gas -- well several different gases, but the biggest part is

CO2 -- and you will feel bloated -- so drink it slowly -- take a couple

of sips and then burp -- take a few more and burp -- you can then find

the exact amount for that attack. And you can use it as a preventative.

However -- in some people this will produce kidney

stones which I am told are REALLY not fun to 'pass'. One way around

this is to use vinegar -- good vinegar - not just acetic acid

diluted. And some studies seem to support this others don't --

4) use activated charcoal -- it will absorb a lot fo stuff -- and acids are one

of them.

5) you may have an infection -- H. _pylori_ is a bacteria that has been

associated with certain types of gastric ulcers -- and can be treated

by many kinds of antibiotics -- and should be.

6) DO KEEP A JOURNAL OF THE FOOD YOU EAT - and what seems to be the

problem -- but remember that damage can be going on and you just don't

feel it-- the stomach is a place that doesn't have a lot of neve

endings in it that transmit pain -- So -- even if the symptoms go away

-- you need to see a doctor and get scoped --

7) SO -- See a doctor and get scoped -- you will be REALLY pissed at

yourself - -and a lot fo the world in general -- and you'll be really

REALLY scared when the doctor says those three very scary words: you

have cancer.

Medicine is about ruling things OUT - when you rule something OUT it

leaves a smaller and smaller sub-group. Until all that is left is one

thing. With cancer being mostly curable or VERY treatable -- you sure

would not only look like a dope, you would BE a dope if YOU let

yourself get to a point where the 'cure' is MASSIVE surgery, chemo +

XRT -(x-ray- therapy) and that only gives you an extra year or two --

and trust me -- a LOT of people grab at those one or two years.

Suddenly they realize that what everyone has told them since about the

time they were between 8 and 10 years old is true: you ARE a mortal

body. Your body WILL die. (honest, it really will).

So -- don't be a dope -- go see a doc -- GERD is known within the

medical community to not be 'just gerd' but a semi-very serious disease

-- that can (honest) kill you. So don't F around -- go get scoped.

The little know fact outside the medical community is that most cancers

are asymptomatic - that means - that they really don't have any symptoms

until it's too late -- by the time you have symptoms, you are probably

pretty far along that marble lined road -- the most successful cancers

are found during annual physical OR during a look for SOMETHING ELSE --

so you go in because you have a pain in your ankle -- and yikes -- you

have bone cancer!!!! -- Or - like my father -- you go in for a check

up on heart disease and they find cancer growing up and around his

aorta and it's lung cancer -- and yep -- he was cured completely by

chemo and radiation - no surgical intervention was necessary at all.

So -- GERD is not 'just gerd' -- I do a lot of counseling of Viet Vets

-- and hear a lot fo things -- perhaps the saddest thing is " I though

it was just...... " a sore muscle (liver failure/cancer) " , " a sore

throat (laryngeal cancer) " , " I wasn't chewing my food enough I was

just gulping it too much (stomach cancer) " , " a bad back from when I had

an accident (fell off a ladder, rolled a car, had a chopper go out from

under him, or a conclusion from a mine or mortar, when he tripped and

fell a few stairs) - (bone cancer), " I just felt tired a lot -- (lung

cancer), " I thought I just had the flu -- (metastatic blood cancer) ==

ETC.

The one thing they ALL had in common was that they had a fool for a

patient and well meaning friends -- none of whom said GO SEE A F-ING

DOCTOR!!!!! G-D IT!!!!!

So, I'm going to be your best friend and tell you: GO SEE A F-ING SPECIALIST G-D

IT!

It could save your life -- and IF it is GERD -- IF -- REMEMBER THE

WORD: IF --- IF it is GERD, THEN seek treatment for it - just don't go

thinking it's 'normal' (though it's far more common in European descended people

than not) and don't go thinking 'it's just GERD' --

because:

1) GERD IS NOT COMMON

2) GERD MEANS SOMETHING IS WRONG AND IT COULD BE SERIOUS

3) GERD IS GODS WAY OF TELLING YOU TO SEE A DOCTOR ABOUT SOMETHING.

The prevalence of GERD with other cancers is statically significant --

but a 'link' has not been found -- meaning 'proven' -- **I** suspect

the link is real -- (operative word: 'suspect') but don't know.

Medical literature leans that way -- but it's not proven.

Check PubMed to check me.

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ppi -=- PROTON PUMP INHIBITORS reduce the amount of 'acids' produced --

and they are NOT a part of the digestive system as much as they are a

part of the IMMUNE SYSTEM -- so use of ppi's -- MAY -- (operative word)

increase gastric infections of certain types -- however - 1) keeping

your bacteria up by probiotic therapies and 2) using radical

scavengers and Immune system ass-kickers will do you a lot of good --

and here I recommend above all Aloe Vera as the top of the line Immune

system Ass Kicker - it and green tea produce massive amounts of Tumor

Necrosis factor -- a chemical that kills tumors before they get going

anywhere -- and one full strength aspirin for other GI related cancers -

liver, pancreatic, stomach, anal, etc -- the full route.

==================================

KEEP A JOURNAL -- but SEE A DOCTOR -- a lot of damage can continue

even if you don't 'feel it' - generally you 'feel' an ulcer that is

treated by antibiotics, and if it is advanced it can save your life as

'herbals' may work, and be very powerful, but they take time --

something you don't know if you have -- You may also have esophageal

cell changes - that can lead to all kinds of cancers -- even if you

stop right now -- in fact, you might be feeling a small tumor as we

speak, as it burrows it's way slowly through your esophageal tissue --

so KEEP A JOURNAL -- and GO SEE YOU G-D DOCTOR -- NOW!!!!!! -- SEE A GI

SPECIALIST --- RIGHT NOW --

GERD IS NOT SOMETHING THAT 'GOES AWAY' WHEN YOU DON'T FEEL IT.

and let me say that again - GERD DOES NOT GO AWAY WHEN YOU DON'T FEEL IT.

The lasting legacy can be cancer down the line -- from months to years

-- and you don't even feel it until it's too late (meaning MAJOR

surgeries like cutting out the cancer, sewing your stomach up just

under your vocal chords -- and so if you drink a glass of water -- if

you bend over, your stomach of water and food and acid runs out your

nose (really) --

So Please -- do deal with it - and don't let a lot of s like you

or me diagnosis you, and PLEASE don't let people who don't know what's

wrong with you suggest treatments for you - when they might be for

something entirely different than what you have.

Just trust me -- not only have I counseled a lot of folks who had

cancer and died and didn't need to -- I also have done spiritual

counseling of the dieing and that is where I hear the most heart

wrenching stories! -- darlings and children left behind -- because they

'thought' they knew what was wrong -- and sadder -- when they though

their doctor was full of S. That's when I hear -- " I should have seen

another doctor to make sure'.

Dang! -- so may folks dieing in their mid 40's through early 60's who

didn't need to die then -- some had important work they were doing with

others -- a few were ready to die and looked forward -- some were

bitter as hell and kicking and screaming and pointing fingers at

everyone but themselves -- because THEY were stupid -- but each feels a

loss -- especially when they learn that they could have had another

20-30 years of having fun in this body -- and not being a burden to

their loved ones and family -- the saddest, of course, are the ones

where the family gets to where they can't cope - and the person ends up

dieing alone -- and for those in their 40's -- I've even seen divorce

twice -- some cancers are hard to live with.

So -- you won't live forever -- but you don't even know that your HAVE

GERD-- or if there is damage -- at least I didn't see that you'd seen

a doctor and gotten a positive visual confirmation -- remember even

with PPI's -- the damage can continue.

Good luck!

-- paul --

THE MORE YOU LEARN, THE MORE YOU WANT TO SCREAM!

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.....it's about learning to swear

like a firefighter. And just geten 'er done.

July 3, 2009