heartburn

[Guest guest]

On 7/4/09, Galioni <pgalioni@...> wrote:

>

> might want to talk to your doc about A) switching drugs which is unlikely

> because they all have their favorites, or increasing the amount of diazepam

I'm on a government-run health plan that strictly circumscribes what

my doctors/nurses are/aren't allowed to do. Their hands are tied by

the payer. (One big reason why I'm four-square against Obama's health

plan; I don't believe bureaucrats have any business prescribing

medications and treatments.)

> So – next time talk to your doc

Hopefully there will never be a next time! The GERD is cured and

they're leaving the bronchogenic cyst alone (on my insistance.) God

willing, I can avoid hospitals and won't have to worry about twilight

sleep in the future.

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

Studies from PUBMED show that if

you drink the water, oil, whole seed or crushed seed the differed in effects

was p=<.05 -- meaning that the probably that there was a difference between

the water, whole seed, crushed seed, or oil was 5 out of a 100 that it was due

to chance - and while not GREAT it is the minimum to meet international

standards for publication -- this study was out of the Uof New Mexico and the

authorship

was jointly from the department of anthro and of biochem -- and I'm sorry, but

I don't have the campus on hand and lost the PMID -- i'd saved it but dumped it

when I cleared my clip board -- sorry - should not be difficult to find.

Though many of the claims made on the site given earlier have no published

scientific literature to back it up -- so to me it's just plain bunk. if a

teaspoon or table spoon contains enough calories to keep you alive and

functioning -- especially at anything buy a slowly wasting away state -- you

REALLY might want to think TWICE about it:

" One tablespoon of chia

seed is said to be enough to supply a person with 24 hours worth of energy. "  

***Is said?***   OPERATIVE QUESTION:

By whom?  A seven YEAR old kid you stopped and asked -- or a professor

with the appropriate Ph or EdD with seven YEARS of expriance researching? 

There IS a difference, you know?

Some of the claims are valid -lowering heart pressure, lowering cholesterols,

etc --- though a veiled reference to the test by Bragg politely rebuked the

test as extremely poorly designed, though what the deficiencies are I don't

know since all I had access to were the abstracts -- but it was NOT a good

test. ---

 

The MOST important thing to

remember is that THERE IS NO GOLDEN BULLET (OR SILVER ONE EITHER).  Nutrition

is for the most part a very late comer

to the field of Science – and perhaps had we continued with Home Ec classes,

we

would have a science approaching adolescence rather than one still in the

throws of late childhood – yet still pre-pubescent. 

 

As

many of you point out in single posts – when taken together – the problem of

nutrition is vast – and while this site is about sprouts vs other

‘alternative’

 foods, they do get touched upon – so I

just want everyone to know and be aware that there is generally no ONE thing

that works – and even though I am the “aloe vera kid’ – I am the first

one to

say that aloe vera is only PART of a solution – it is so extremely powerful

that

one maker I recommend so can’t use their name because of ethical

considerations, pointed out to me that Big Pharma spends just under $US400 B

(WITH THE ‘B’) ILLION a year on research grants and funding to Universities

alone.  So even with such money going in,

it is also going into other places of research – and includes many other

plants

as well – I was pleasantly amused to find 40 studies, mostly all positive and

all carried out in the last 4 years – ‘Chia’ 

is a common name for some Chinese researchers and for some Indian

Researchers – so – if you put in ‘chia’ 

you will return over 2k hits, ‘chia seed’ got 40 hits, mostly all

positive – and some side mentions of GERD but not as such and I don’t have

time

to do the full gammet of combinations ‘gastro-esophogeal-refluex disease

(syndrome)

and their permutations

-- paul --

THE MORE YOU LEARN, THE MORE YOU WANT TO SCREAM!

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.....it's about learning to swear

like a firefighter. And just geten 'er done.

>

> For Chia gel, do you think you just soak the seeds for a

> while then use the soak water?

I follow the directions from TheRawFoodWorld. com where I buy my chia seeds:

I put 1/3 cup of chia seeds in 2 cups of reverse osmosis filtered

water. I use a wire whisk to separate the seeds so they don't clump. I

let it sit on the counter for about 15 minutes, then I take the whisk

to it again. Then I cover it and put it in the refrigerator. I put

about 3 tablespoons of chia gel in my green smoothies. Matt (owner of

therawfoodworld) says to take 3 tablespoons of gel three times a day

for maximum benefit but I tend to only use it once in my morning

smoothie and then only if I didn't forget or wasn't too lazy to make

more gel when I ran out. heh.

It's good stuff, but a little off-putting just trying to eat by

itself. If you have to take spoonfuls of it by itself to help your

heartburn, try mixing a little stevia in first and think of it as

tapioca pudding. It has very little flavor otherwise and, while you

might enjoy the texture, I found the texture kind of gag-i-fying to

eat by the spoon. (As always in matters of taste, your mileage may

vary.)

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

Well I'll have to try it.  By the way Sparrow, I have probably 4 viturally

unused raw food cookbooks that I'd like to see get a better home.  Would you or

anyone be interested?  The only thing I'd ask is if possible, get reimbursed for

postage.  Any interest, let me know...I can post the Authors and Titles.

Sherry

>

> Well that sounds easy.  Do you consume the gel for the nutrients?

I consume it because it's one of the very few so-called " superfoods "

that I can detect a strongly significant difference after eating. Be

it psychosomatic or be it real, I feel MUCH more energy on days that I

put it in my morning smoothie. I ought to do it every day but, being

human, I'm often lazy and lacking in perfect discipline. :-)

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

Thanks Diane!  It seems like aloe vera juice and chia gel would be the best

options for me.  This group is great!

Sherry

From: Diane <sunflowr@...>

Subject: Re:Heartburn

Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 4:22 PM

My husband suffered from heart burn, acid reflux and then GERD. He had

one incident where the ER doctors thought he was having a heart attack

or pericardium something or other.

In reality, it turned out to be GERD. He started taking aloe vera juice,

whole leaf, organic, no preservatives by Lily of the Desert. One ounce

in the morning and evening. He has none of these symptoms now. He was

given many samples of acidifex, but discontinued them when the free

supply ran out. That is when he found out about aloe vera juice and it's

uses.

I should add he retired from a high stress job which I believe was the

original cause of all of it.

In his case, his diet has not changed, he still eats fast food often.

[Guest guest]

I would be interested if Sparrow isn't. Lorri

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Sherry Skapik

Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:44 PM

Subject: Re: Heartburn

Well I'll have to try it. By the way Sparrow, I

have probably 4 viturally unused raw food

cookbooks that I'd like to see get a better home.

Would you or anyone be interested? The only thing

I'd ask is if possible, get reimbursed for

postage. Any interest, let me know...I can post

the Authors and Titles.

Sherry

[Guest guest]

On 7/4/09, Sherry Skapik <sherryskapik@...> wrote:

>

> Well I'll have to try it.  By the way Sparrow, I have probably 4

> viturally unused raw food cookbooks that I'd like to see get a

> better home.  Would you or anyone be interested?

Depending on what they are, I might be VERY interested. I am 811rv

which is close to natural hygiene so some raw uncookbooks are very

helpful to me while others are useless.

>  The only thing I'd ask is if possible, get reimbursed for postage.

Definitely could do that.

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

Gee, I'll bet you get lots of bites on this...but I'd be interested!

Depending on what they are; only because I have a few, and wouldn't want to

take away from someone else, if it would be a duplicate for me.

:~)

Thia

On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Sherry Skapik <sherryskapik@...>wrote:

>

>

> Well I'll have to try it. By the way Sparrow, I have probably 4 viturally

> unused raw food cookbooks that I'd like to see get a better home. Would you

> or anyone be interested? The only thing I'd ask is if possible, get

> reimbursed for postage. Any interest, let me know...I can post the Authors

> and Titles.

> Sherry

>

>

>

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LONGER THAN NORMAL

POST – FEEL FREE TO SKIP  IT’S NOT ABOUT SPROUTS,

BUT ABOUT DOCS AND MAINTENANCE AND HOW OUR BODIES ARE DIFFERENT AND A COUPLE OF

GOOD LINKS – AND JUST SOME ADVICE IN GENERAL -- kind of written to Sparrow.

Maybe I’m just attached to it

because I wrote it and am too lazy to edit it – taking a break from a Monday

dead line for an article – it’s in the needs to set for 24-48 hours before

editing phase. – interestingly enough, it’s about the ‘four-sisters’

crop

grouping and rotation of some of the Southwestern cultures. 

=============================================================

Every body (and everybody) react

differently -- I have several paradoxical reactions to many different meds --

but I find a good doc and stick with them -- you may wish to seek out a

homoepah --

I don't know your history -- or how you treated your body when younger -- but

when you treat your body badly -- or not at all for a long time -- and then

things start to go wrong, it's like an old car -- there can be a LOT of

problems.

I treated my body badly -- 2.5 tours in Nam, firefighter, swift water rescue,

Arial

(chopper) rescue, Steep angle rescue, I've been shot up, had four birds go out

from under me -- fallen though roofs, and floors, been freewheeled (on a rescue

chopper when you are being winched out you have two lines on you – one is

hooked to a winch which is NOT tied at the end – so you hit free wheel and you

are cut lose – and they do that when YOU are getting THEM in trouble – and a

special nylon line that is NOT tied off but next to that is the “angel

maker’ a

razor sharp reverse scimitar – like a hand scythe – a sharp knife that they

cut

the nylon rope with it’s used after you hit freewheel – the rope SHOULD take

up

the shock of a 100 foot fall and you generally have a 25-50 foot fall the way

it’s rigged – but if the pilot can’t recover, they cut the rope) --

 twice when winds or super hot canyon air made

it look like it was me or the chopper, AND pilot AND engineer I was on

freewheel, but still with the nylon belay on --  but they recovered (rule

number one of EVERY

rescue is never turn one victim into two, or two into four -- )and, besides, as

we all joked darkly, but truly --  I

wasn't worth the several million dollars the copper was worth) – I’ve been

banged

into rocks at 20+ mph when winds switched or had my back jerked around when the

pilot had to gain altitude to keep control -- had foot or handholds let go, had

hand-set -- rope eyes and hooks pull out -- been smashed into rocks and gone

over falls in swift water -- been blown out of windows when I had a room

explode (once from the ground floor, and once out a second story but was caught

by a treel limb between by BA pack and my back -- ) - AND I smoked a LOT of

dope when I was young -- I often was a 'tester' for bulk buys -- how big a cap

do we use to package up this crushed peyote, or 'shroom - or worse -- home made

silli or mescaline – inhaled LOTS of smoke from structure ‘overhaul’ –

or when

looking for the origin of a structure – and tons more when on or leading a

hand-crew in wildland fires – (I hear that creosote is really not that

wonderful

a thing to breathe for days on end [smile]) 

-- so my body was treated very badly – BUT – and here’s the point of the

entire story – BUT I SAW DOCS A LOT – a WAY lot.  And even when they

weren’t all that great –

as Ann Landers said – 50% of all physicians graduate in the lower half of

their

class.  And if you want a kicker: I knew

I could not get into UC- Vet school – and at the time my mother was

working on a federal grant in Georgia working on medical screening of VERY

rural pre-schoolers – I walked in with nearly – NEARLY a 4.0 to and passed

TWO

‘ability’ tests for vet school at or above the 92d percentile – and with

two

masters in biology – environmental micro, and they keep changing the name, but

the equivalent of farm and ranch management (Range and Game was the name (and

it rhymes) with an almost second MS in farm and crop management) – they looked

at my materials (professionally typed and bound)  and said: well, this is VERY

nice looking, one

of the best we have seen – and it rally IS impressive -- but we can’t take

you,

HOWEVER we guarantee that the med school, one floor down from us WILL take you

–

 

The problem was I didn’t want to

be a ‘doctor’ – and for me that was the pivotal moment when I chose to

become a

teacher – after all, it’s about world peace – and people with full

stomachs

generally don’t like to fight – so it was Animal husbandry or Ag – OR –

Ocams Razor

said: teach them how to learn to learn – and then THEY can be what they want

–

but first teach tolerance – which is harder to do from a crop row than a rural

classroom.  So now you know ALL about ME – worked my way

through school doing lots of things – mostly adrenalin junkie stuff --

And while I have a LOT of stories to tell – from having four birds shot out

from under me while on a medivac – and living to tell the tale along with most

of the Marines on board (SUPER PILOT – most GREAT medivac pilots now flying

privately were once military pilots – so they do have nerves of steel, and

enough dangerous hours racked up to have limits that exceed MY imagination -- 

to finding myself trapped in the back-wash of

a waterfall underwater near the end of a simple training mission where I showed

about 5 minutes of air left --- with my emergency release for my belt and tanks

jammed together because **I** was stupid and didn’t do the ‘by the book’

check

because I was doing it with others  (it’s

why we always carry a good sharp knife) and came VERY close to droning –

sucking water is very close to dieing and the pneumonia I got after that was

close

to dieing too -- the MOST important thing I learned was to ALWAYS SEE A REAL

DOC.

 

 Like preventive maintenance on your

vehicle.  I once bicycled across the US

and a wise person told me – or I read it somewhere – it was probably some DI

from when we had to train with The Corps or Navy, but the more I think it was

from a  book somewhere – “Drink before

you are thirsty, eat before you are hungry, and rest before you are tired, then

you’ll never be thirsty, hungry or tired.† When one headlight burns out

– replace them

both.  Ditto tail bulbs.  If the battery has a 5 year warranty –

replace it  before 6 years – and use the

replaced one as a second back-up – or on a trickle charge in your home for use

on 12 VDC fans if the power goes out in the winter and you want your fire-place

to really kick out the heat – have the fan blow DOWN onto the fire place to

pull the already hot air back down from where you can’t feel it, or blow it

into another room – so often if you wait for that first cold snap when the

battery

goes dead – woops! – (for most people the FIRST time a battery goes

GRRRRRRRRRRRR and then your car goes RUMMMMMMMMM! It’s time to replace the

battery – normally this is the first cool day in the autumn – but that

battery

is still good enough to run a radio in the house – or a fan – so it’s not

‘bad’

it’s just soon going to not have enough amps to keep  you going – so

PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE is the

concept –  . 

 

Like I said, I don’t know a lot

about you – but I’ve generally always been checked several times a year by a

doc – because I’ve done a lot of VERY stupid things that ALL sounded

important

at the time.  And I’ve not even mentioned

how we used to work around bio-labs without latex gloves on – or any kind of

gloves or gas-filtering masks – sometimes we’d use a special  hood because

some stuff was really dangerous

– but never an ISOLATED hood – we’d just pull the hood down and work

through

the slit between the counter and the hood itself – but just like Agent Orange

created problems for people – some very early – and some not yet, and some

never – so do a lot of organic solvents – or the ‘gas washes’ I used to

give

myself after working on my old Land Rover to get the grease and dirt off –

back

before lead was replaced by some even more dangerous chemicals

 

MY GUESS IS THAT IF YOU CAN’T

TRUST YOUR DOC, YOU NEED TO HAVE WHAT WILL SEEM TO BE AN UNCOMFORTABLE

CONVERSATION WITH HIM – And DO mention how you know your body reacts very

differently than most peoples – Who would guess that a drug that puts most

people

to sleep actually perks me up?  I need to

say that to my docs – Just like I need to mention that I have a gene that

takes

opiates and breaks them down VERY rapidly – and is generally found in people

with strong Mediterranean decent. 

 

And there is a project called the

National Genographic project – and for about $US100 they will take some DNA

from your cheek, and in a few months send you a MAP OF YOUR ANCESTRY – showing

where your particular family wandered – using female mitochondria – Turns

out

that my ‘’ side of the family is FAR more Italian than my Italian side,

and that my Italian side is FAR more Iberian than Italian. It explained a LOT

– so while it may seem I have only half of my side being ‘Mediterranean’

--  I have FAR more than that – people to

Scotland took

several routes, apparently my family took the southern route.

 

I mention this because certain

diseases tend to fall into certain regional classes – thus the Radio Lab

program on ‘race’ – at the bottom of the box on the right hand side – or

just

under it depending on the size of your screen. 

Right below  “Choice†and “spermâ€

 

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/ 

 

is good to listen to – while I

don’t want to go through it all – a ‘Black Man’ who was hired to be

principal

of a “Black High School’ in Chicago found out that he had NO “Black†in

him at

all – his genetic markers shows (and all numbers here are within about 1% of

true) That he was about 96% “Eastern Europeanâ€, 1% First Peoples (of

America)

and 3% Asian.  Yikes! Sure we all started

in the same place – but we change – and as we change so do our

susceptibility

to or resistance from, certain diseases or conditions.  His “Jewish†wife

was virtually disavowed by

her family for marrying him – and took it the hardest since she had suffered

the most – she WANTED him to be “Black†– OTOH Just think about how his

genetic

information rocked HIS world – suddenly he reads a paper that says without a

doubt that he is American Indian, Oriental, and Middle Eastern (Eastern

European – his mutation occurring around the Caucus mountains, the arbitrary

‘dividing’ line the scientists set up for their study. 

 

So – while all of us are far more

alike than we think – (trees are more like cousins, than an entirely different

‘kingdom’) – we also have the potential to carry within us more kinds of

changes than there are grains of sand (estimated by people who do math far

better than me) -- to on our planet, Terra. 

 

So – if you have had bad times with

all your doctors most of your life – YOUR BODY may the culprit – and that is

something you need to communicate to your physician. 

 

It can be where we grew up – I

grew up in an old gold mining community East of Sacramento – but spent time

around small villages which had some reasonably toxic atmospheres – Or what

you

did for a living – I did a lot of schooling with some very dangerous and

carcinogenic chemicals – or our life style – there was a time when I smoked

a

lot of dope and did some intense psyidelics 

-- and other times when I lived on a river while going to school and

living on old veggies and LOTS of VERY heavy metal containing fish – to days

lived on coffee and cigarettes and adrenalin – and from diets of raw vegan

through LOTS OF RED MEATS – and eating animals that I’d hunted that had

diseases like leptospyrosis – that likes to live in the liver and I happen to

like my liver ‘char rare’ in a deer-blood, pepper, and coffee gravy.  And

boy are deer kidneys GREAT when eaten

like shiskabobs or in a pie with other generally undesirable meats.

 

I should have been dead many times

over – and when I sit down with my docs, I write it all up and give it to them

– including past drug use – so they have a clue of what they are looking for

–

and how I have noticed that my body reacts to various drugs – a GREAT example

is Ambian – when it went generic – there became around 50 – FIFTY –

different

manufacturers of the generic drug zolpidem tartrate – and I tried two

different

manufacturers, and neither worked – I could take a bottle full and feel

drowsy,

but not tired. Give me a 10 mg Ambian – and I can go out like a light if I do

a

ritual correctly.  The difference since

they are exactly the same drug? – the binding is all that the pharmacist and I

could figure out.  So – I go though a

series of these kinds of discussions with my docs, which is why I like to pick

good ones to work with, and then stick with them.

 

You might want to do the same

thing – a good site to use for script drugs is

 

http://rxlist.com

 

then go to the A-Z section – and

listed will be the drug, it’s generic name – and more or less reads like a

page

in the PDR – the standard reference book for docs the world over. – and

there

is a list from the FDA that you can subscribe to where they list new drugs

coming out, and problems being found with drugs already out, or drugs which

have gone generic.

 

Well, tried to keep this to two

pages and see I’m at three – but wanted to make a point that 1) half of all

docs fall in the bottom half of their class, 2) we all have bodies which react

differently, and 3) our life styles and PHYSICAL history can be as important as

our genetic history in what works, or doesn’t. 

Just keeping a ‘Food Journal†can help with GERD, so can a ‘Med Journal’

help with keeping track of your adverse symptoms – they may all point to a

certain point of metabolic break-down, and this would help your docs a LOT when

it comes time to script you a drug for something – just because 80+% of

depression is of one kind, there are about 4 different kinds and their

permutations –

 

4!

-----

(4-1)!   

 

 

MINIMUM Combinations – and I don’t

have a calculator here – but I think it’s 12 combinations of areas that

might

need to be addressed –It’s greater than one but nor more than 4 areas using

1

drug per area.  And that answer here is

12.  But since each area has more than

one drug to treat it, you have far greater than 12 combinations of drugs.

 

Sometimes a COMPLETE blood work up

for enzymes and amino acids and hormones that generally are not completely

covered by insurance are out of pocket around $US300 can tell your doctor a LOT

– and sometimes it does come down to that if you are having a lot of adverse

reactions – take a pill for your stomach and you get dizzy and your blood

pressure goes up – ummmmm – I don’t know – but such a test would HELP to

point

a sign in that direction – and an Internist would be the one to be looking at

those results, not your GP.

 

I understand far more now why you

turn more and more to ‘herbal’ and ‘natural’ remedies --- especially

when the

side effects are not as multitudinous as those which you have had in the past

–

which only makes you 1)far more leery, and 2) JUSTIFIABILITY afraid of meds and

docs in general.   

Just remember that plants are drugs and chemicals, with sometimes no difference

between what you can make in your kitchen and what you buy from a pharmacy. 

And some plants should not be used for more than X number of days without a good

rest!

Like I said: there are no golden or silver bullets for anything -- yet. (see --

I CAN be hopeful!)

-- paul --

THE MORE YOU LEARN, THE MORE YOU WANT TO SCREAM!

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.....it's about learning to swear

like a firefighter. And just geten 'er done.

>

> I often wonder if doctors know what they're doing.

Some of them must. . .

I am currently at a low point in my trust of them, however, since

every ailment of my body that has been healed or mitigated in the last

several years was accomplished by doing the opposite of what the

doctors told me to do.

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

On 7/4/09, Galioni <pgalioni@...> wrote:

>

> LONGER THAN NORMAL

> POST – FEEL FREE TO SKIP  IT’S NOT ABOUT SPROUTS,

> BUT ABOUT DOCS AND MAINTENANCE AND HOW OUR BODIES ARE DIFFERENT AND A COUPLE

OF

> GOOD LINKS – AND JUST SOME ADVICE IN GENERAL -- kind of written to Sparrow.

I saw " longer than normal " and started to skip it and then saw my name

so I feel obliged to tell you that I don't read the five-pagers so

something even longer than that just isn't in the stars. Sorry.

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

Diane,

I found Lily of the Desert today at Whole Foods, and have already taken some.

Thanks again,

Sherry

From: Diane <sunflowr@...>

Subject: Re:Heartburn

Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 4:22 PM

My husband suffered from heart burn, acid reflux and then GERD. He had

one incident where the ER doctors thought he was having a heart attack

or pericardium something or other.

In reality, it turned out to be GERD. He started taking aloe vera juice,

whole leaf, organic, no preservatives by Lily of the Desert. One ounce

in the morning and evening. He has none of these symptoms now. He was

given many samples of acidifex, but discontinued them when the free

supply ran out. That is when he found out about aloe vera juice and it's

uses.

I should add he retired from a high stress job which I believe was the

original cause of all of it.

In his case, his diet has not changed, he still eats fast food often.

[Guest guest]

Actually Obmams health plan will

LEAD to opening up health care to be run by the physician, Believe it or not,

there is a very large majority of physicians who agree that a single payer plan

will provide the health care that a quasi-governmental plan like Medicare just

cannot -- And most of the time when my doc suggest things that aren't covered,

I dig deep and try to cover them myself. 

I remember when I lived in Georgia for a bit I worked on a road crew -- and my

old international harvester I had bought to run as a go-fer for my foreman

broke down and I talked to a Cat Skinner who in California were making in

excess if $us20.00/hour and he was making $us12.50 said " Yeah it's those G_D

communist unions that make it so expensive! " -- and while he was living in

near squalor -- he and I ended up close enough to be called friends -- at lunch

we'd go hunt for his dinner together -- he even loaned me an old 30-30 for deer

or bore -- and he took the 22 for deer or squirrels -- (sometimes it sounded

like a firefight out there when A deer or bore would decide to run across our

front -- ) he just didn't have the facts and often when things evolve through

government legislation - esp when you have Big Pharma - and the AMA tittering

toward single payer -- with options -- so EVERYONE is paid for, and you can buy

extra 'gap' coverage like I do - everyone is happy - but if you can keep Big

Pharma from facing a front of pockets of resistance -- they will ALWAYS win --

but if they had to face a unified front -- suddenly drugs would drop to prices

like they do in Canada, Mexico, and the EU --

The cost of most drugs is due to a lack of BASIC RESEARCH -- and The Golden

Fleace Award -- established in the 1970's by Proxmier (D-Wis) put a dent in a

LOT of basic Research -- and Regan finished a lot of it off by putting it into

the hands of the companies themselves and letting the benefits 'trickle down'

to us -- which they did - but without basic research - there is only so much

you can do.  With out NASA we'd never really have the super accurate

'smart bombs' -- and I can't imagine what they would cost if you left it up to

private enterprise on their own to develop --

More and More physicians are seeing that our health care system is spiraling

out of control, and it's not the government who is doing it -- Insurance

companies get a HUGE BITE -- example my COBRA payment was pushing $US2100.00 a

MONTH.  And I have nearly as good a care now on Medicare with medigap

coverage as I did under the insurance plan I retired under -- for about

$US600,00

a month for top rated plans.

I wonder WHO made the just under $US1500 A ***MONTH*** profit? 

There are a LOT more doctors who are moving toward

single payer - because IN THE END it WILL be cheaper -- but because you have to

battle Big Pharma who gives BILLIONS to elect our officials it's harder than

hard -- just like why not legalize pot and bail our selves out?  The

largest contributors to both Dems and Reps are drug Cartels funneling their

monies through legal channels --

Politics is not a game I play well.  But I DO see the moves like I'm

watching a chess board -- I know the goal, and how you get there isn't quite as

simple as setting up a double jump in checkers.  When you wade through all

the pundents’ BS -- and actually sit down and READ THE ACTUAL BILL (took me 4

days to skim it on-line) that Hillary put together -- My God! -- from Pre-Birth

through YOUR wishes at Death – a plan where the PHYSICIAN was in charge --

which shut out both Big Phama and BIG MEDICINE --

Listen - I was involved in emergency type medicine for about 25 years. 

Right now the " standard of care " in our local hospital is either a

CAT or an MRI for ANY head, bone, or ‘blunt force’ injury.  ANY. (i.e, if

you aren’t ‘sick’ you HAVE to have an MRI or CAT, and IF you are sick,

they

might want one --  If you refuse -- you are welcome to sign out of the ER

AMA - against medical advice - but any ER doc who does not virtually FORCE you

to have an MRI for a broken bone can be fired by the company that sub-contracts

with the hospital -- Trust me: a couple of X-rays will tell you all you need --

and you are talking call it $US200 vs $us2000 -- 10 times as much because the

hospital has to pay off that MRI -- and CAT -- and what I hear through the

grape vine is that the new hospital built in ville where they do NOT

require MRI or CAT for broken bones -- and only required as 'the standard of

care' for automobile accidents, or any x-ay that shows a depressed skull or

rib-cage fracture with abdominal tenderness or rigidity  has been open for 5

years and their machines

are paid for -- free an clear including maintenance and calibrations -- who's

making

the money down here?  ville has a standard of care that is in the

hands of the ER doc if there are skull FRACTURES -- and where -- but mostly --

they send them home to watch and wait. 

Down here I had a friend who was staying with me - and yes, he WAS a bit drunk

at the time -- I was the DD and was waiting for his call to come and pick him

up from one of the down-town bars - was pushed off a bar stool by another drunk

who wanted to squeeze in between to guys having a conversation and get another

drink - BECAUSE HIS HEAD HIT THE FLOOR -- he HAD TO HAVE AN MRI -- or they 'd

send him home and red-flag him -- Cost?  $US2, 400 from the top of his

head down to his shoulders + $400 for a valium IV drip to keep him calm during

the MRI.  $2400 because you fell side ways off a bar stool and couldn't

remember if you hit your head when you were drunk? -=-- can ANYONE see a

problem here?  " He can't remember so we have to assume LOC -- loss of

conciseness -- therefore there MIGHT be a head trauma or neck trauma -- He came

home from ER with $8, 200 worth of bills.

Who was in charge - BIG MEDICINE.  At one point Sacramento had more CAT

Scanners than all of Canada. 

And Canadians had a longer life span.  Just because you can doesn't mean

you should -- and it takes a tiny sparsely populated county on the edge of the

Nevada Desert to say: don't use it unless you need to and the only time we will

require it is if we suspect the probability of a severe head, neck injury or

positive signs of abdominal injury, otherwise, take them to X-Ray -- and, yeah,

their insurance is higher -- but more people seek medical care - and the docs

are there to provide it, not to get rich or they'd be in a larger city.

But then they don't make $US300, 000 a year either – I hear the Average

take-home

income of a GP is about $US120, 000, and for an Internist $170, 000.  Down

here, double that easily.  Docs want to live here and form small groups

that lock out docs who don’t charge as much. 

Many good docs have left for Teaching Hospitals.

ANYway -- READ the Clinton Bill -- don't take the words of others --

independent investigation often reveals many lies.  Ditto the OBAMA BILL – if

you can’t argue

both sides with the same fervor, you really don’t know what you are talking

about is what one of my best English professors taught me.  And trust me –

when you read a large bill,

you REALLY understand what ‘pork barrel†means – why in Gods Name would

subsidies for NOT over-planting (Cover Cropping) your fields after  harvest be

in a health bill???? – I mean on

THIS list we KNOW that is its kind of related to health – but it’s Big Agra

sticking in their two cents. And it’s AGAINST Cover Crops!!!!  In a HEALTH

bill!!!!

-- paul --

THE MORE YOU LEARN, THE MORE YOU WANT TO SCREAM!

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.....it's about learning to swear

like a firefighter. And just geten 'er done.

>

> might want to talk to your doc about A) switching drugs which is unlikely

> because they all have their favorites, or increasing the amount of diazepam

I'm on a government-run health plan that strictly circumscribes what

my doctors/nurses are/aren't allowed to do. Their hands are tied by

the payer. (One big reason why I'm four-square against Obama's health

plan; I don't believe bureaucrats have any business prescribing

medications and treatments.)

> So – next time talk to your doc

Hopefully there will never be a next time! The GERD is cured and

they're leaving the bronchogenic cyst alone (on my insistance.) God

willing, I can avoid hospitals and won't have to worry about twilight

sleep in the future.

Sparrow

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[Guest guest]

Yes I can relate to that Sparrow.  I'm in a thyroid support group and a

lot of these women self-treat after years of listening to docs, and getting even

sicker. ...

==============================

Synthroid, the most common thyroid substitute, **must** be closely monitored by

blood tests, every few months until stable, then twice a year (q six months)  or

3 times a year (q 4 months) or so there after -- FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.  As

your body changes so do your reactions to the meds -- and hyperthyroid can do

damage to your body just like hypothroid (hyper=high, hypo=low).

-- paul --

THE MORE YOU LEARN, THE MORE YOU WANT TO SCREAM!

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.....it's about learning to swear

like a firefighter. And just geten 'er done.

>

> I often wonder if doctors know what they're doing.

Some of them must. . .

I am currently at a low point in my trust of them, however, since

every ailment of my body that has been healed or mitigated in the last

several years was accomplished by doing the opposite of what the

doctors told me to do.

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

I saw " longer than normal " and started to skip it and then saw my name

so I feel obliged to tell you that I don't read the five-pagers so

something even longer than that just isn't in the stars. Sorry.

=====================================================

No need to be sorry -- there are lurkers out there who may learn a bit -- we all

have tolerances to the amount of information that we can process at one time. 

Not hurt at all -- I'd often lecture to back rows of college students who were

asleep - esp early AM or when it was 90 degrees inside and no air movement.  

not a problem at all --

Try rxlist.com

and

you can subscribe to an FDA list of drug recalles, new drugs, new findings

(warnings or usages) about drugs, etc -- at drugs.com

-- paul --

THE MORE YOU LEARN, THE MORE YOU WANT TO SCREAM!

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.....it's about learning to swear

like a firefighter. And just geten 'er done.

>

> LONGER THAN NORMAL

> POST – FEEL FREE TO SKIP  IT’S NOT ABOUT SPROUTS,

> BUT ABOUT DOCS AND MAINTENANCE AND HOW OUR BODIES ARE DIFFERENT AND A COUPLE

OF

> GOOD LINKS – AND JUST SOME ADVICE IN GENERAL -- kind of written to Sparrow.

I saw " longer than normal " and started to skip it and then saw my name

so I feel obliged to tell you that I don't read the five-pagers so

something even longer than that just isn't in the stars. Sorry.

Sparrow

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[Guest guest]

>

> Well I'll have to try it.  By the way Sparrow, I have probably 4 viturally

unused raw food cookbooks that I'd like to see get a better home.  Would you or

anyone be interested?  The only thing I'd ask is if possible, get reimbursed for

postage.  Any interest, let me know...I can post the Authors and Titles.

> Sherry

>

>

>

> Sherry:

I would be interested in the Wigmore book on SPROUTING. Is it still available,

and if so, do you accept paypal? How much is shipping anyway (that is if someone

hasn't already beaten me to it).

Melody

[Guest guest]

Indeed!! I am thinking that lurkers here, would be lurking for sprouting

info.

Galioni wrote:

>

> -- we all have tolerances to the amount of information that we can process

> at one time.

>

[Guest guest]

,

I was on synthroid, but was taken off it a couple of weeks ago because my blood

levels were twice as high as normal on everything (TSH, Ft3, Ft4).   Doctor said

my thyroid is now producing hormone, hence stop synthroid.  My group, whom I

trust more, says this is common and is probably a thyroid storm - hyper, then

I'll probably go hypo again....on and on until the gland is totally

non-functioning.

 

What I am sure about is it totally sucks and affects every aspect of life.  But,

since stopping synthroid, I have no more muscle/joint pain, and I'm active

again.....I am so happy and grateful for that.

 

Do you know anything about the natural T4 replacements?  Like Armor?  The

experts in the group think it is better tolerated than the synthetic.

 

Thanks, Sherry

>

> I often wonder if doctors know what they're doing.

Some of them must. . .

I am currently at a low point in my trust of them, however, since

every ailment of my body that has been healed or mitigated in the last

several years was accomplished by doing the opposite of what the

doctors told me to do.

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 04/10/2009 11:04:30 GMT Daylight Time, michelle0471@... writes:

Hi can anyone suggest anything for heartburn,avoiding the triggers of fatty foods etc... but just wondered if there is anything to take if indulging in a spicy meal etc...

>>Enzymes and water work for me

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 04/10/2009 11:04:30 GMT Daylight Time, michelle0471@... writes:

Hi can anyone suggest anything for heartburn,avoiding the triggers of fatty foods etc... but just wondered if there is anything to take if indulging in a spicy meal etc...

>>Enzymes and water work for me

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Betaine and pepsin before the meal,

Sara x

michelle0471 wrote:

>

>

> Hi can anyone suggest anything for heartburn,avoiding the triggers of

> fatty foods etc... but just wondered if there is anything to take if

> indulging in a spicy meal etc...

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Betaine and pepsin before the meal,

Sara x

michelle0471 wrote:

>

>

> Hi can anyone suggest anything for heartburn,avoiding the triggers of

> fatty foods etc... but just wondered if there is anything to take if

> indulging in a spicy meal etc...

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gaviscon and sleeping on lots of pillows

>

> Hi can anyone suggest anything for heartburn,avoiding the triggers of fatty

foods etc... but just wondered if there is anything to take if indulging in a

spicy meal etc...

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The problem with antacids is that it neutralizes the stomach acid

lower than it wants and so it becomes even more acidic afterwards.

I would suggest doing as the native indians do and having alkalising

foods with the meal. such as cucumber. I recall from the fab days of

baltis in Birmingham that they used to serve the meal with a yoghurt

and cucumber starter- perhaps this is the path to a less painful

stomach>- also perhaps drinking water before and after the meal.

Tracey

On 10/5/09, <mark.grabiec@...> wrote:

> Gaviscon and sleeping on lots of pillows

>

>

>>

>> Hi can anyone suggest anything for heartburn,avoiding the triggers of

>> fatty foods etc... but just wondered if there is anything to take if

>> indulging in a spicy meal etc...

>>

>> Thanks

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

sara,

could you tell me which brand you use - is it biogest??

thanks

x

> >

> >

> > Hi can anyone suggest anything for heartburn,avoiding the triggers of

> > fatty foods etc... but just wondered if there is anything to take if

> > indulging in a spicy meal etc...

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I don't usually get heartburn, I don't get it from foods, but I had high dose

vitamin C the last 2 days (took it every 2 hours). On the second day I started

getting heartburn. Can I buffer my vitamin C with ground eggshells or something

to make it easier on me?

>

> I stopped taking the C for now, but the heartburn isn't gone and baking soda

is not helping either. Do I have to keep sipping it for the day?

+++Hi April,

Why are you taking high doses of vitamin C, and what kind of vit. C are you

taking?

Drink 2-3 cups of raw ginger tea for a couple of days, and also ensure you eat

complete meals.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

I'll make some ginger tea right now.

I was taking Vit C every 2 hours as described in the constipation article.

I started out with Ascorbic Acid crystals and when that ran out I switched

to the Natural Factors C with bioflavinoids, rutin and hesperedin.

I don't feel I can take any C now until the heartburn goes away. Is there a

possibility it could have been caused by a coffee enema instead? It started

a little bit after doing a coffee enema (which I discovered was too strong

for me because I got very wired. next time I'll make it weaker).

April

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

>

> +++Hi April,

>

> Why are you taking high doses of vitamin C, and what kind of vit. C are you

> taking?

>

> Drink 2-3 cups of raw ginger tea for a couple of days, and also ensure you

> eat complete meals.

>

> Bee

>

>