Re: Bee does not recommend any kind of Himalayan Salt

[Guest guest]

This absolutely makes me sick to my stomach. Ive been using the Himalaying salt

now for two years! In my food, in my baths. OMG I'm pissed.

From: beeisbuzzing2003@...

Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:03:42 +0000

Subject: [ ] Bee does not recommend any kind of Himalayan Salt

Hi everyone,

I've recently come across this information about Himalaya Salt, which explains

that Himalayan salt is not sea salt, and it can't be, and it is not from the

Himalayans:

http://www.poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/himalaya.html

Here's most of the article:

Over the last few years a new scam has emerged in Europe which is rapidly

spreading across the world.

It involves ordinary rock salt from the " salt range " in Pakistan being marketed

as luxurious and healing " Himalaya Salt " .

It is also sold as " Himalayan Crystal Salt " , " Hunza-Kristallsalz " or natural

" Kristallsalz " , " VitaSal " , " AromaLife " , etc..

The scam is currently being introduced in India and the United States.

It will result in very high overall fluoride intake in anyone who follows the

various " therapy recommendations " .

What happened?

During the late 1990s recordings started to appear in Germany, featuring a

monologue by a self-proclaimed " biophysicist " named Ferreira.

The monologue centered around the " marvelous healing energies " of " Himalaya

Salt " (Himalaya Salz) and " living waters " (Lebendiges Wasser) -> mineral or

springwaters ( " Quellwasser " ).

This special salt was allegedly coming from the high mountain regions of the

Himalayas, " untouched by human contamination " , containing " 84 elements essential

to human health " . The tape was copied and passed on by thousands.

The salt was sold at a price much higher than ordinary salt, up to 200 times as

much. It was common to see it being sold for 24 Euros per kilogram.

Lectures were organized and a video called " Water & Salt " ( " Wasser & Salz " ) was

shown to packed houses (Zeit & Geist, 2002). A book with the title " Water & Salt

- Essence of Life " by Ferreira and Dr. med. Barbara Hendel became a

runaway bestseller in 2002 - simply by word of mouth, even spawning a glossy

magazine with the same title. [The book is currently being translated into

English and slated for release in the US.]

Within months " Himalaya Salt " became all the rage in Switzerland, Austria and

Germany, quickly spreading to Denmark, Holland and other European countries.

The European alternative health industry was quick to jump on the bandwagon and

an article on " Himalaya Salt " praising its superior qualities to conventional

salt became the most-read article on the German site of " Alternative Health "

( " Alternative Gesundheit).

" Himalaya Salt " sales are consistently in the Top 10 of " alternative health

products " .

Originally marketed on the Internet, there are now countless varieties of

products containing " Himalaya Salt " available, including herbal salts, bath

salts, facial masks, cosmetic lines, as well as salt lamps and tealights.

Many international websites can now be found praising and selling this " Elixir

of Live " , " Fountain of Youth " , or " salt of life " .

The salt comes as fine salt to be used for cooking, or as salt crystals or

blocks of salt, to be used for daily " sole " drinks and baths, oral rinses, eye

baths, and inhalation therapy.

In addition, the salt is marketed extensively for other uses, and there are now

tealights or " salt lamps " (used as natural " ionizers " ), a complete cosmetic line

including soaps, facial sprays, body lotions, " peeling " lotions, hand creams,

steam bath aids, sauna aids, bath salts with rose petals, and shower gels.

Origin of " Himalaya Salt "

It is claimed that the " magic salt " is coming from the Karakorum (Ferreira,

2002). However, as pointed out by the group TourismWatch (No.28 and No.30) there

is no salt mine to be found anywhere in this Himalayan region. Most of the salt

was coming from the second largest salt mine in the world, in Pakistan.

After the boom began, it was found that even ordinary road salt was being sold

as " Himalaya Salt " by ruthless opportunists.

Therefore I will only be recommending Light Gray Celtic sea salt crystals or

light gray sea salt crystals from the ocean near Brittany, France.+++++

You can buy Celtic light gray sea salt crystals through my website, at Selina

Naturally (they also have a photo of the correct sea salt):

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/resource/selina.php

For people on my program, measure out 1.5 teaspoons every day and spread out

taking it between 3 meals (added to foods or to water you drink during meals or

in between) to make sure you are getting enough.

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I just bought 25 lbs of himalayan salt, so I'm not super thrilled

about this news either.

[Guest guest]

>

> Yeah, I just bought 25 lbs of himalayan salt, so I'm not super thrilled about

this news either.

>

>

>

@@ Hi & Everyone,

Me and Bee reviewed and sorted through a lot of information on this issue.

However, I discovered some scientific data that demonstrated a high fluoride

concern. Albeit, " natural fluoride " in trace amounts is

acceptable, but not in high amounts. Which was found in Himalayan Salt.

Here is an analysis of how much fluoride is in Himalayan Salt. Recent analyses

have shown fluoride content between 231 and 310 ppm. This analysis was conducted

by Institut für Analytik Fulda in Germany. One of many analysis performed on

Himalayan Salt.

http://www.poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/analysis.html

After much deliberation, we both agreed due the health & safety concerns and

controversy, it was in the best interest of the group to discontinue " Himalayan

Salt " . And to solely use Celtic Sea Salt.

The Salt Lamps should also probably be replaced with plants in regards to EMF

and air quality concerns, to be on the safe side. Plus plants are cheaper and

would give many more benefits than Salt lamps could impart.

Lastly, sometimes information is so hidden in conjunction with much controversy,

it takes a lot of sorting,researching & review of data before one can make a

viable decision before one can forward the information.

Unfortunately and appallingly, this is sometimes one of many ploys big business

utilizes is to bury the information to fool the public for profit.

Your Friend in Health,

Ed

group moderator

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm confused.  Is this a different attack from the one we addressed

previously? 

> Here is Ed's response to a similar blog in Oct/2010. 

>

> Message #97012  attached below... in VA

>

@@ Snip

@@ Hi ,

Yes, I recognized the message.

However, this was before I discovered the data and Bee discovered the associated

scam.

As I stipulated, the information can be sometimes hidden with much connected

controversy. Thus, making it difficult and time consuming to delve & decipher

the data to determine a feasible decision on the matter.

I reiterate, this is one of many tactics by big business to deceive the public

for profit. Even at the sake of their safety/health of the people and many

times it takes much to lift the veil of deception

to warn/advise the people.

Thus, as one can see, in light of the new info, Bee and us moderators are always

researching to keep current or even ahead of emerging health information.

Best in Health,

Ed

group moderator

[Guest guest]

Same stuff I bought. I don't recall seeing any messages about this

either.

HIlary

n 1/20/2011 1:53 PM, juliahosman wrote:

>

> Hi Bee and others,

>

> Shoot. I musr have missed this and previous posts entirely. I bought

> 25 pounds of Himayalan salt a couple months ago. Actually the website

> I got from this forum during a discussion months ago. The price was so

> cheap.

>

> http://www.smartorganix.com

>

> Anyway to know if this source is bad/good?

>

> What should I do with all this salt if Bee doesn't think it's healthy??

>

> In health,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I feel ripped off by that company. I didn't like the salt anyway because it

wasn't salty on the inside of the chunks and it's hard to pour out of my

dispenser after pulverizing it.

It was too good to be true I guess.

julia

> >

> > Hi Bee and others,

> >

> > Shoot. I musr have missed this and previous posts entirely. I bought

> > 25 pounds of Himayalan salt a couple months ago. Actually the website

> > I got from this forum during a discussion months ago. The price was so

> > cheap.

> >

> > http://www.smartorganix.com

> >

> > Anyway to know if this source is bad/good?

> >

> > What should I do with all this salt if Bee doesn't think it's healthy??

> >

> > In health,

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi Bee and others,

> >

> > Shoot. I must have missed this and previous posts entirely. I bought 25

pounds of Himayalan salt a couple months ago. Actually the website I got from

this forum during a discussion months ago. The price was so cheap.

> >

> > http://www.smartorganix.com

> >

> > Anyway to know if this source is bad/good? What should I do with all this

salt if Bee doesn't think it's healthy??

> >

> > In health,

> >

@@ Hi & ,

Sorry for your misfortune in regards to Himalayan Salt. In regards to the data

and controversies connected, I would view no sources of Himalayan salt that is

safe and of good quality.

Perhaps you guys could return it & get your money back. If not, an idea might

be to sell it on eBay or elsewhere.

Best Regards,

Ed

group moderator

[Guest guest]

What about the brand " The Original " Himalayan Crystal Salt. They claim to have a

..1 ppm vs the 231 and 310 ppm Ed posted.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1111716

Tina

> >

> > Yeah, I just bought 25 lbs of himalayan salt, so I'm not super thrilled

about this news either.

> >

> >

> >

>

> @@ Hi & Everyone,

>

> Me and Bee reviewed and sorted through a lot of information on this issue.

However, I discovered some scientific data that demonstrated a high fluoride

concern. Albeit, " natural fluoride " in trace amounts is

> acceptable, but not in high amounts. Which was found in Himalayan Salt.

>

> Here is an analysis of how much fluoride is in Himalayan Salt. Recent

analysis have shown fluoride content between 231 and 310 ppm. This analysis was

conducted by Institut für Analytik Fulda in Germany. One of many analysis

performed on Himalayan Salt.

>

> http://www.poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/analysis.html

>

> After much deliberation, we both agreed due the health & safety concerns and

controversy, it was in the best interest of the group to discontinue " Himalayan

Salt " . And to solely use Celtic Sea Salt.

>

@@ Snip

- Unnecessary text edited out by moderator

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

I too bought the 25 pounds of this salt.

Would it be okay in baths, or is this not advisable either?

Thanks,

> n 1/20/2011 1:53 PM, juliahosman wrote:

> >

> > Hi Bee and others,

> >

> > > Shoot. I must have missed this and previous posts entirely. I bought

> 25 pounds of Himayalan salt a couple months ago. Actually the website I got

> from this forum during a discussion months ago. The price was so cheap.

>

> > >

> > > http://www.smartorganix.com

> > >

>

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[Guest guest]

Gosh, Thank you, Bee and Ed, for your continued diligence to this matter!!!

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Yeah, I just bought 25 lbs of himalayan salt, so I'm not super thrilled

about this news either.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > @@ Hi & Everyone,

@@ Snip

> >

> > Here is an analysis of how much fluoride is in Himalayan Salt. Recent

analysis have shown fluoride content between 231 and 310 ppm. This analysis was

conducted by Institut für Analytik Fulda in Germany. One of many analysis

performed on Himalayan Salt.

> >

> > http://www.poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/analysis.html

> >

@@ Hi Tina,

That link from curezone , the poster, ZoeBess refers to an article that states

cryolite as (sodium fluoride).

Problem is crylolite is NOT sodium fluoride. Cryolite is sodium

hexafluoroaluminate, which the young Hall first used to reduce metallic

aluminum over a hundred years ago in the " Hall process " (the process production

of aluminum).

Such a simple mistake is evidence that the author is either ignorant or has

ulterior motives. Either way, they've put an elementary falsehood in there,

which casts doubt on the remainder of the article by damaging the credibility of

the author, its source and related claims.

Tina, I've read that same message at curezone, last year while researching.

Nonetheless, because of the vast controversies like these is the reason on top

of the discovered new data & associated scam/scandal , that Himalayan Salt use

be discontinue to ensure people's health.

With Appreciation,

Ed

group moderator

[Guest guest]

>

> This absolutely makes me sick to my stomach. Ive been using the Himalaying

salt now for two years! In my food, in my baths. OMG I'm pissed.

+++Hi Carol,

I have the exact same thoughts my friend!

I'm so sorry, but I had no idea Dr. Mercola would give out such bad advice!! He

even sells it on his website.

Bee

[Guest guest]

so should we not use himalayan in baths either?

and is this salt actually *worse* than table salt? i gave a lot of this to

relatives, who would just continue with their table salt if i told them to

trash the himalayan.

thanks for the head up

samantha

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> >

> > This absolutely makes me sick to my stomach. Ive been using the

> Himalaying salt now for two years! In my food, in my baths. OMG I'm pissed.

>

> +++Hi Carol,

>

> I have the exact same thoughts my friend!

>

> I'm so sorry, but I had no idea Dr. Mercola would give out such bad

> advice!! He even sells it on his website.

>

> Bee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee and others,

>

> Shoot. I musr have missed this and previous posts entirely. I bought 25

pounds of Himayalan salt a couple months ago. Actually the website I got from

this forum during a discussion months ago. The price was so cheap.

>

> http://www.smartorganix.com

>

> Anyway to know if this source is bad/good?

>

> What should I do with all this salt if Bee doesn't think it's healthy??

+++Hi ,

You can use it in your bath water. Sorree but I had no idea that Dr. Mercola

was so wrong about Himalayan salt, since he also sells it on his website. He

has a video interview with a doctor that thinks it is the best salt ever! Duh?

Bee

[Guest guest]

While I wait for an order of the good salt to arrive, should I keep

using the himalayan, or should I use nothing?

[Guest guest]

>

> While I wait for an order of the good salt to arrive, should I keep

> using the himalayan, or should I use nothing?

>

>

>

@@ Hi ,

I would advise you use nothing until your good salt arrives.

Best in Health,

Ed

group moderator

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi there,

> I too bought the 25 pounds of this salt.

> Would it be okay in baths, or is this not advisable either?

+++Hi ,

Yes, you can use it in your bath.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> so should we not use himalayan in baths either?

>

> and is this salt actually *worse* than table salt? i gave a lot of this to

> relatives, who would just continue with their table salt if i told them to

> trash the himalayan.

>

> thanks for the head up

+++Hi ,

Please have patience when you ask questions, since I'm only on the group

mornings Eastern Standard Time.

Yes you can use it in baths.

Blame Dr. Mercola for the misinformation. Like everyone I thought he was

creditable, but the more I read of his nonsense, the more I mistrust his advice.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> While I wait for an order of the good salt to arrive, should I keep

> using the himalayan, or should I use nothing?

>

+++Hi ,

You can use it.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

>

> If I may ask,

>

> This news goes back since 2003, what made you decide, now?

>

+++Hi ,

If you knew about it, then it would have been great if you had informed me as

well, since I didn't know about it.

I don't like the inference in your message, i.e. " what made you decide now? "

Bee

[Guest guest]

Bee,

Sorry for not expressing myself...

I didn't know as well..

I was just curious, if something else came up now, since, this article is dated

as 2003... And I think it was brought up on the group, in the past..

Sorry again and thanks for your constant research.

[ ] Re: Bee does not recommend any kind of Himalayan Salt

>

> Bee,

>

> If I may ask,

>

> This news goes back since 2003, what made you decide, now?

>

+++Hi ,

If you knew about it, then it would have been great if you had informed me as

well, since I didn't know about it.

I don't like the inference in your message, i.e. " what made you decide now? "

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

>

> Sorry for not expressing myself...

>

> I didn't know as well..

>

> I was just curious, if something else came up now, since, this article is

dated as 2003... And I think it was brought up on the group, in the past..

>

> Sorry again and thanks for your constant research.

+++Thanks for explaining . If that issue came up on the group before and I

didn't respond, it was because I couldn't take it seriously because someone I

considered more informed recommended it.

In this case it was Dr. Mercola. But over time I've realized he shouldn't be

relied upon for any advice other than blowing the whistle on drug companies and

the FDA.

Cheers, Bee

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Bee,

> >

> > Sorry for not expressing myself...

> >

> > I didn't know as well..

> >

> > I was just curious, if something else came up now, since, this article is

dated as 2003... And I think it was brought up on the group, in the past..

> >

> > Sorry again and thanks for your constant research.

>

> +++Thanks for explaining . If that issue came up on the group before and

I didn't respond, it was because I couldn't take it seriously because someone I

considered more informed recommended it.

>

> In this case it was Dr. Mercola. But over time I've realized he shouldn't be

relied upon for any advice other than blowing the whistle on drug companies and

the FDA.

>

> Cheers, Bee

>

@@ Hi ,

The article is dated 2002-2003 and the news related to this, was a publicized

scandal/scam which involved Ferreira and Dr. med. Barbara Hendel. Which

suggested the health claims to be fraudulent, due to the Himalayan salt's

questionable sources & quality. This would be what you, , or anyone in the

group aware of the issue would be regarding, due to the mainstream publicity.

However, a short time afterward, if not during, much controversy erupted giving

an unclear picture. Speculatively, this was mainly due to lack of hard data

which demonstrates high fluoride contamination as seen below, not publicized

and/nor demonstrated. Suspicions of general contamination was suggested but no

hard data was publicized.

That part of the information below, I discovered within the associated scam &

brought it to Bee's attention. With collaboration & discussion between us, thus

the decision to discontinue the use of Himalayan Salt was announced.

http://www.poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/analysis.html

As I stipulated, the information can be sometimes be hidden in conjunction with

controversy. Thus, making it VERY difficult and time consuming to sort &

decipher the data to determine a feasible decision on the matter.

And when big money is exchanging hands, big business takes all steps to maintain

their cash flow, at any cost! Thus, the constant challenge in front of us.

Lastly, when I give information I validated it with sources and my answers

remain consistent in that manner without deviation. If I make an error, I'll

address it with a logical explanation/sources and/or apologize for the error.

These are high standards, that professionals rarely ever meet, nowadays.

Therefore, and this isn't directed at you my friend; when Bee, me and

others do the painstaking research & validate it with sources, understand

something. We are obviously passionate about health & care enough about people

to provide our relative experience & sacrifice our time for free. I don't

believe one can say the same for mainstream sources.

We may not be perfect, but at least we provide high, quality service and we are

not misguiding people & profiting from their suffering. Our performance is our

credentials, not our diplomas.

Thanks for your patience in reading.

In Friendship,

Ed

group moderator

[Guest guest]

>... ...

> What should I do with all this salt if Bee doesn't think it's healthy??

May I suggest this time of year and depending on where you live, to salt your

driveway and sidewalk?

- Roy M.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > so should we not use himalayan in baths either?

> > ...

>

> +++Hi ,

>

>...

> Yes you can use it in baths.

> ...

If the Himalayan Salt is high in flouride, would it not be

that advisable to bathe in it? I looked for info on whether

it is absorbed by the skin and the answers were all over the

place, but did note that hot water would open the pores and

make it more absorbable.

- Roy M.