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Thyroid Meds

-For t-cell lymphoma on Gerson Threapy for the last 14 months pl suggest if the thyroid meds being taken are ok.Last test result: TSH 4.51 ul/mL (0.25-3.0 ul/mL), FT3 2.8pg/mL (1.8-3.9 pg/mL), FT4 0.6 ng/dl (0.8-1.7 ng/dL) Armour 2 grains/day and lugol half strength 6 drops/dayThanks.........AKP

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Yes please ----whether the thyroid & lugol meds are ok as per the blood report.

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> For t-cell lymphoma on Gerson Threapy for the last 14 months pl suggest if

the thyroid meds being taken are ok.

> Last test result: TSH 4.51 ul/mL (0.25-3.0 ul/mL), FT3 2.8pg/mL (1.8-3.9

pg/mL), FT4 0.6 ng/dl (0.8-1.7 ng/dL) Armour 2 grains/day and lugol half

strength 6 drops/day

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I use the pink salt from Nepal. It also is all natural and is not cleaned with any chemicals. Fibrojay

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Would Himalayan Salt work in place of the Celtic salt? ( It's a pink salt.)

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbeessbcglobal (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Re: Thyroid Medsiodine Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 3:13 AM

Yes your numbers are low. I would also consider 200-400 mcg Selenium, Vit C 2,000 - 4,000 mgs, Mg 200 mgs and celtic salt 1/2 - 1 tsp per day.

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Thyroid Meds> > > -> For t-cell lymphoma on Gerson Threapy for the last 14 months pl suggest if the thyroid meds being taken are ok.> Last test result: TSH 4.51 ul/mL (0.25-3.0 ul/mL), FT3 2.8pg/mL (1.8-3.9 pg/mL), FT4 0.6 ng/dl (0.8-1..7 ng/dL) Armour 2 grains/day and lugol half strength 6 drops/day> Thanks...... ...AKP>

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Yes your numbers are low. I would also consider 200-400 mcg Selenium, Vit C 2,000 - 4,000 mgs, Mg 200 mgs and celtic salt 1/2 - 1 tsp per day.

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Thyroid Meds> > > -> For t-cell lymphoma on Gerson Threapy for the last 14 months pl suggest if the thyroid meds being taken are ok.> Last test result: TSH 4.51 ul/mL (0.25-3.0 ul/mL), FT3 2.8pg/mL (1.8-3.9 pg/mL), FT4 0.6 ng/dl (0.8-1.7 ng/dL) Armour 2 grains/day and lugol half strength 6 drops/day> Thanks.........AKP>

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Would Himalayan Salt work in place of the Celtic salt? ( It's a pink salt.)

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>Subject: Re: Re: Thyroid Medsiodine Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 3:13 AM

Yes your numbers are low. I would also consider 200-400 mcg Selenium, Vit C 2,000 - 4,000 mgs, Mg 200 mgs and celtic salt 1/2 - 1 tsp per day.

Steph

Thyroid Meds> > > -> For t-cell lymphoma on Gerson Threapy for the last 14 months pl suggest if the thyroid meds being taken are ok.> Last test result: TSH 4.51

ul/mL (0.25-3.0 ul/mL), FT3 2.8pg/mL (1.8-3.9 pg/mL), FT4 0.6 ng/dl (0.8-1..7 ng/dL) Armour 2 grains/day and lugol half strength 6 drops/day> Thanks...... ...AKP>

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Yes you just want unrefined salt. That can be celtic, himalayan or redmonds. But that being said many report feeling better on Celtic for some reason.

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Thyroid Meds> > > -> For t-cell lymphoma on Gerson Threapy for the last 14 months pl suggest if the thyroid meds being taken are ok.> Last test result: TSH 4.51 ul/mL (0.25-3.0 ul/mL), FT3 2.8pg/mL (1.8-3.9 pg/mL), FT4 0.6 ng/dl (0.8-1..7 ng/dL) Armour 2 grains/day and lugol half strength 6 drops/day> Thanks...... ...AKP>

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Hi Katy:

Here are some websites for you to check out, naturalthyroidchoices.com and stopthethyroidmadness.com

Hoping will see this post and give you more advice.

From: katylee53 <johnsonb@...>Subject: thyroid medsiodine Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 7:07 AM

, I did not answer your question properly. I am on .88 levoyxl and 4 mg. compounded time release t3 every day. I have been on this awhile. My doctor just recently dropped my dosage due to my high Rt3. I just don't understand why all of the things I have t4ried for my adrenals and thyroid make me feel worse instead of better. It sounds like others here have good luck with all of these protocols.Katy

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Sorry I am buried in work trying to get my herbology class done. I had a final exam today and I have one more project to complete by tomorrow.

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thyroid medsiodine Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 7:07 AM

, I did not answer your question properly. I am on .88 levoyxl and 4 mg. compounded time release t3 every day. I have been on this awhile. My doctor just recently dropped my dosage due to my high Rt3. I just don't understand why all of the things I have t4ried for my adrenals and thyroid make me feel worse instead of better. It sounds like others here have good luck with all of these protocols.Katy

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Approximately 6 weeks - to be COMPLETELY gone because of the

long half life of thyroxine. However, it depends on why you want to know Janet.

Luv - Sheila

Hi

how long does it take for thyroid medication levothyroxine, nature-throid to be

completely out of our systems.

thanks

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> Approximately 6 weeks - to be COMPLETELY gone because of the long half life of

> thyroxine.

Sheila,, how does this work when we switch to erfa?

I took LevoT for 6 weeks to give it a fair trial, and my TSH was the same as it

had been on erfa, but I felt fuzzy and more important, put on 5 lbs. I say more

important because at that rate I'd be obese within a year.

So I've put myself back on the erfa dose I was prescribed in Canada (60) and in

5 days I've lost 2.5 of the pounds. I don't feel quite right, though -- a few

joint aches, for example -- and I wonder what the lingering effect of the LevoT

in my system might be. Maybe too much T4 at the moment?

But as I said before, thank heavens I found this group and how to get the erfa

that works for me or I'd be getting frantic.

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Hi Jan, T4 has a half life of about 6 days so 6x6 is 36 days. > thyroid treatment > From: janettaylor44@...> Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:15:33 +0000> Subject: thyroid meds> > Hi > how long does it take for thyroid medication levothyroxine, nature-throid to be completely out of our systems.> thanks> jan > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Are you actually feeling the symptoms of being hyPERthyroid?

i.e. palpitations, sweating, dizziness, feeling 'spaced-out' and fidgety. If

so, reduce your Erfa by half a grain for a few days, and then increase it again

by another quarter of a grain. With some people, stopping their levothyroxine

on one day and starting thyroid extract on the next works fine - it did with me

when I was taking 125mcgs levothyroxine and then stopped it to take half a

grain (30mgs) of Armour. However, for others, you need to take it more slowly,

but you cannot stop levothyroxine for the full six weeks before you start

natural thyroid extract - you would be too ill. It is best to always check

whether you have low adrenal reserve, and to start adrenal glandulars on their

own, for a week if this is the case, before introducing more thyroid

replacement.

Luv - Sheila.

I took LevoT for 6 weeks to give it a fair trial, and my TSH was the same as it

had been on erfa, but I felt fuzzy and more important, put on 5 lbs. I say more

important because at that rate I'd be obese within a year.

So I've put myself back on the erfa dose I was prescribed in Canada (60) and in

5 days I've lost 2.5 of the pounds. I don't feel quite right, though -- a few

joint aches, for example -- and I wonder what the lingering effect of the LevoT

in my system might be. Maybe too much T4 at the moment?

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>Patience! you know it will take 6 weeks for changes in T4 level >regardless

whay type of med they originate from so it dose take time >for it to settle-

you're obviously going in the right direction. Try >not to worry as you can't

speed up the process that way;-)

Jo, I have had a right year myself and not always too patient either. Although

it takes 6 weeks to notice the full effects, I always find a gradual

improvement, i.e. from week one. So chances are you may have a better weekend

than you have had for a while, but in a few weeks, even better...

Just relax and know that you will have a better few weeks ahead, you know in

comparison to how you were.

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Hi Sheila,

Sorry it's taken me a few days to reply, been down south for a few days and had no access to internet.

The reason i wanted to know how long it takes for thyroid meds to be completely out of our systems, because the nurse at GP surgery asked me to stop taking my thyroid medication for two weeks before had my bloods taken for what reason i dont know.

As you know i have lost complete faith in the NSH but did as she asked but now i have started to feel quite weak, so today i have taken taken 1 grain of nature-throid, plus for a week or more i have been taking NAX, Q10, AND VIT C just in case my adrenals are a bit stressed out.

I have an appointment with the gp today, and i am going to ask for me and my daughter be refered to doctor p to get well again so fingers crossed.

luv jan

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From: Sheila <sheila@...>Subject: RE: thyroid medsthyroid treatment Date: Wednesday, 26 May, 2010, 18:07

Approximately 6 weeks - to be COMPLETELY gone because of the long half life of thyroxine. However, it depends on why you want to know Janet.

Luv - Sheila

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Jan - you don't need a referral to see Dr Peatfield. Where about

in the UK do you live. Have a look at his clinic details in our web site www.tpa-uk.org.uk and see if there is one

reasonably near to you. You will find details of these in the right hand column

on the Home Page under TPA-UK News.

No wonder you are feeling so bad, I would ask the nurse to give

you a reference to the medical science to show that you should stop

levothyroxine for 2 weeks before a blood draw to test your thyroid function.

The recommendation is for 24 hours only. This would cause a lot of patients some

distress, and it would take them some time again to get back to normal. The

idea of doing thyroid function tests, is to see whether the dose of thyroid

hormone you are taking is actually stabilising the levels of thyroid hormone in

the body.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila,

Sorry it's taken me a few days to reply, been down

south for a few days and had no access to internet.

The reason i wanted to know how long it takes for thyroid

meds to be completely out of our systems, because the nurse at GP

surgery asked me to stop taking my thyroid medication for two

weeks before had my bloods taken for what reason i dont know.

As you know i have lost complete faith in the NSH but did

as she asked but now i have started to feel quite weak, so today i have taken

taken 1 grain of nature-throid, plus for a week or more i have been

taking NAX, Q10, AND VIT C just in case my adrenals are a bit stressed out.

I have an appointment with the gp today, and i am

going to ask for me and my daughter be refered to doctor p

to get well again so fingers crossed.

luv jan

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> The reason i wanted to know how long it takes for thyroid meds to be

completely out of our systems, because the nurse at GP surgery asked me to

stop taking my thyroid medication for two weeks before had my bloods taken for

what reason i dont know.

What's all this stopping meds to do with? Is it because the GP thought you were

borderline and worthy of a trial of Levothyroxine and wants to work out if you

still need it? Or is it more like my prior sitaution, that I saw DR P and they

didn't want to believe I had thyroid and adrenal problems based on the urine and

saliva tests?

I had to stop for a whole month and it was a nightmare last August! I queried it

after two weeks because I was climbing the walls and couldn't cope on no meds,

but was told to stick it out for a full month. Granted by then I did get

official diagnosis and the whole month was enough time for the TSH to rise out

of range.

However during this month all the symptoms came back of course. I did carry on

with the adrenal supplements, because I needed something to stop me going

totally bed ridden again. However I expect taking nutri thyroid or similar would

defeat the object.

Therefore during these few weeks of no thyroid meds, I cancelled uncle's visit

to stay with us, didn't do very much at all and operated on a basis of if it's

urgent I would do it, but if not, it's left...

Therefore on the basis of all the symptoms coming back, I wouldn't recommend to

anybody stopping tablets for 2,4,6 weeks. However I have been through this crazy

sitution, do have an official thyroid diagnosis and have just re-started some

T3, granted not at my last year's dose, but it is official.

I have found 3 stages to all this:

Make myself very ill to prove a point:

Be on Levothyroxine for a while and increase dose a few times

Finally starting T3, which I had done before

Final stage would be to get my functioning back, or even better it from a year

ago.

All this time, I have stuck with the adrenal supplements (apart from to do with

synacthin test) because I know they help.

It sounds like you have some sort of rigmarole going on, some sort of proving

that you need help or something?

Therefore if it is anything to do with fighting for help/proving a point to NHS

doctors that you need help, then you might have to go with it. Eeek, I wouldn't

really recommend it as I have had a poor 12 months through all this, but am

getting there on the official recognition front.

So what is your situation? Is stopping tablets really necessary? Have you asked

the reason why it is necessary? Or is your situation similar to mine? Because if

you don't have to make yourself ill, don't but if you do have to make yourself

ill, as part of a fighting/proving something to GP then good luck!

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Hi,

My OH stopped taking his NDT and T3 before he had blood drawn. He wanted to

prove to his GP that he did indeed have hypot. He was going to stop for 6 weeks

but could only last 3 weeks. His TSH was 2.5 after almost 3 weeks off meds -

which I think was high. He has not felt right since stopping but at least it

eventually got him officially diagnosed and the NDT and T3 on prescription.

I think it was a shock to his system when he went for three weeks without meds -

I don't know what the long term effect would be but how else could his GP find

out where his TSH was.

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> My OH stopped taking his NDT and T3 before he had blood drawn. He wanted to

prove to his GP that he did indeed have hypot. He was going to stop for 6 weeks

but could only last 3 weeks. His TSH was 2.5 after almost 3 weeks off meds -

which I think was high. He has not felt right since stopping but at least it

eventually got him officially diagnosed and the NDT and T3 on prescription.

>

> I think it was a shock to his system when he went for three weeks without meds

- I don't know what the long term effect would be but how else could his GP find

out where his TSH was.

>

Hi ! This makes sense now. Actually looking back, I don't know how I did

it, for a whole month in August you know! As for 6 weeks...

It does defy common sense to have to come off tablets you know are working, make

yourself ill and start again, just for official diagnosis and treatment. If

there was official diagnosis and treatment in mainstream medicine in the first

place, all this wouldn't be necessary as soon as the likes of us have got over

the worst.

I am glad it is not just me who has had to make myself ill to prove I needed

thyroid meds (not glad he has gone through this rubbish, you know what I mean).

With a month of no meds, my TSH was out of range. I agree about it being a shock

to the system and I have not liked starting from scratch. But at least I have

had a week back on some T3 now (one week out of 10 months).

Is he offically on the same dose that he was doing on a private basis? Or is it

slowly building up again? You know from scratch?

Fiona

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Hi Fiona,

After giving up the meds for three weeks - I made him start on one grain of NDT

and after a week he added another. He then started with the T3 at 20mcg and

slowly increased. Within a month he was back to his usual doses.

Now that he has got his NHS prescription for NDT and T3 he is going to

experiment with the doses as the endo said his T3 seemed low indicating he was

under medicated. He may lower the NDT and increase the T3 - but the bottom line

is how he feels and not necessarily the blood test results.

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> " After giving up the meds for three weeks - I made him start on one grain of

NDT and after a week he added another. He then started with the T3 at 20mcg and

slowly increased. Within a month he was back to his usual doses. "

>

I see what you mean. In an ideal world, I would have liked to have done that.

There are so many times when my husband has wondered why I couldn't have been

officially started on equivalent dose, rather than starting from scratch. The

endocrinologist that I have seen seems pro T3, but wanted to see if I would be

OK on Levothyroxine first as I had never had it. It was only a couple of weeks

after coming off the tablets for a month, when the referral came through and the

GP was happy to prescribe Levothyroxine.

Was it the endocrinologist that recommended to the GP to prescribe the NDT and

the correct dose of this medication?

Admittedly my endocrinologist said he would still monitor me if I wanted to go

back to Armour, but clearly he hasn't exactly recommended it either, so I can

imagine a sticky point as to what dose etc. So I am trying to get optimum T3

first on the NHS over the next appointment or two and take it from there. This

is because T3 seems to be the easier of the two to get and is in the BNF.

> " Now that he has got his NHS prescription for NDT and T3 he is going to

experiment with the doses as the endo said his T3 seemed low indicating he was

under medicated. He may lower the NDT and increase the T3 - but the bottom line

is how he feels and not necessarily the blood test results. "

>

That's fair enough . I am all for trial and error, as long as he's heading

in the right direction and not going worse at any point.

I do wonder if somehow a really good dose of T3 is the key and a minimal amount

of T4 to go with it.

It sounds to me like your husband is getting somewhere. I am amazed that the

consultant didn't mind him taking the NDT and it's all officially prescribed

now. Clearly many wouldn't approve it or would say to patients that they can

take what they want, but they are not prescribing it. That would have been all

well and good, but it would have been back to self-funding, which isn't ideal in

the long run. Had the latter happened, I guess he would have suffered those few

weeks on no meds for nothing and it would have defeated the object. So all this

must be a huge relief in the long run, knowing that it's about a spot of trial

and error now, fine tuning perhaps.

Fiona.

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OF WHAT YOU ARE RESPONDING TO. LUV - SHEILA

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Hi Shelia and everyone,

I am going to need your HELP and ADVISE please

I went to the doctors yesterday it didnt go as well as i expected it to.

He refused to refer me to see a dr on the NHS until he has read my notes as iam

a fairly new to the surgery, and he is going to ring me and let me know so i

will have to wait till he rings me back .

He also said that i looked stressed and said that it could be something else

thats making me feel like this and to focus on stress and depression

Yes I admit I have been under a lot of stress of late due to family life and

moving house, but I dont want to go on any depression tablets unless I really

need to.

PREVIOUS MEDICATION

Eltroxin 75mgs

3 quarter grains nature thyroid

I stopped taking all medication 2/3 weeks ago after nurse in surgery said i

needed to for blood tests but started to feel weak and had internal shivering

around abdomen

Known medical conditions gallstones.

Last week i started taking

1 nax

30 drps of ginsing

vit c

Q10 1 tablet daily

Yesterday started taking 1 grain of nature-thyroid

How long should I wait and how will I know if I need to take more nature-

thyroid? In the past when I've taken it I have wanted to pee a lot and I get a

pain in my groin usually on one sided which causes me to limp and pain in the

lower back this usually comes on a few weeks after starting to take the nature

Thyroid.i also get the pain in the groin after taking nax ginsing vit c Q 10.

I am due to have bloods taken how long should i wait to have blood drawn baring

in mind i only started 1 grain nature-thyroid yesterday.

thanks

luv

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Hi Janet, don't

increase your dose of Armour until you have been taking it for at least 3 to 4

weeks. If no adverse reactions, you can add another half grain (30mgs) and stay

on that for another 3 to 4 weeks, and then increase it in the same way again. Go

to our FILES section which you will find on the Home Page of this forum web

site and open the FOLDER on 'Armour' and then scroll down until you see the

document " How to Use Thyroid Extract " and read all the information

there.

I can understand

your GP not wishing to refer you until he has read your medical notes, he obviously

wishes to familiarise himself with you before deciding what action needs to be

taken.

The FIRST things

doctors seem to diagnose these days is depression, but they never seem to look

into trying to find possible causes for the depression. There are clinical reasons,

such as not enough thyroid hormone getting into the cells. The brain needs T3.

Synthetic thyroxine is only one of the thyroid hormones and a mainly inactive

one. It has to convert to the active hormone T3, but for a large minority, they

are unable to convert, so their body and brain is not getting the active

thyroid hormone it needs to make it function.

Internal shivering

as you describe could be due to you having adrenal fatigue, and you may well

benefit from getting the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile done to see where

your cortisol and DHEA lie at four specific times during the day, You can get

this done through Genova Diagnostics where they give TPA members a discount.

Again, go to our FILES section and click on 'Discounts' to find out how to get

this and follow the instructions there.

Whenever you get

blood drawn to test your thyroid function, stop taking thyroid hormone

replacement for at least 24 hours before the test. You were probably getting

the pains you mentioned before because you were taking insufficient thyroid

extract. We recommend increasing the dose by half a grain every 3 to 4 weeks

until you DO start to get symptoms of hyperthyroidism - these are possibly

palpitations, dizziness, sweating, feeling spaced out and generally hyper. This

is a sign that your body has got enough thyroid hormone replacement, and you don't

take any more that day, but the following day, you go back to the dose you were

on before. This is how you find the amount of thyroid replacement your body

actually needs, and the dose will likely be the dose you will need for the rest

of your life.

Luv - Sheila

PREVIOUS MEDICATION

Eltroxin 75mgs

3 quarter grains nature thyroid

I stopped taking all medication 2/3 weeks ago after nurse in surgery said i

needed to for blood tests but started to feel weak and had internal shivering

around abdomen

Known medical conditions gallstones.

Last week i started taking

1 nax

30 drps of ginsing

vit c

Q10 1 tablet daily

Yesterday started taking 1 grain of nature-thyroid

How long should I wait and how will I know if I need to take more nature-

thyroid? In the past when I've taken it I have wanted to pee a lot and I get a

pain in my groin usually on one sided which causes me to limp and pain in the

lower back this usually comes on a few weeks after starting to take the nature

Thyroid.i also get the pain in the groin after taking nax ginsing vit c Q 10.

I am due to have bloods taken how long should i wait to have blood drawn baring

in mind i only started 1 grain nature-thyroid yesterday.

thanks

luv

Jan

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Hi Jan, For T4 to totally leave the system takes about 25 days- it has a half life of 5 days,but it does depend slightly on who you read, so after 2 weeks there would be very little left, but it may not be long enough for TSH to respond- in some low thyroid states the body does not seem to be able to raise TSH for months if at all. Are you trying for a NHS diagnosis? I can think of no other reason for you to stop thyroid meds for so long. usually no meds on day of test until after blood has been drawn is sufficient. You do not need a referral to see Dr. P thyroid treatment From: janettaylor44@...Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:47:55 +0000Subject: RE: thyroid meds

Hi Sheila,

Sorry it's taken me a few days to reply, been down south for a few days and had no access to internet.

The reason i wanted to know how long it takes for thyroid meds to be completely out of our systems, because the nurse at GP surgery asked me to stop taking my thyroid medication for two weeks before had my bloods taken for what reason i dont know.

As you know i have lost complete faith in the NSH but did as she asked but now i have started to feel quite weak, so today i have taken taken 1 grain of nature-throid, plus for a week or more i have been taking NAX, Q10, AND VIT C just in case my adrenals are a bit stressed out.

I have an appointment with the gp today, and i am going to ask for me and my daughter be refered to doctor p to get well again so fingers crossed.

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Hi, If you have stopped your thyroid meds then of course you would look stressed- being ill is stress!. don't delay too long letting him read your notes. you obviously need to be back on your thyroid meds! Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. Sign-up now.

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> Hi Bee,

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> I was wondering, I also am dependant on Synthroid everyday beings the Medical

world took mine out. Is there a natural alternative to taking Synthroid out

there besides Armour or any other prescription? As I absolutely hate the thought

of having to depend on a chemical drug for the rest of my life, and would love

to learn of a more natural way to replace the hormone that I need.

+++Hi Carol. I also do not have thyroid, so I take a combination of synthroid

and dessicated natural thyroid meds (I live in Canada so it isn't called

Armour). We don't have any choice other than these meds my friend. But you can

take a combination like I do, but I take a pill 3 times a day which keeps the

blood levels up, which are:

one 30 mg natural in the morning

one 0.025 mg synthroid noon or so

one 30 mg natural in the morning

Since I'd taken synthroid for so long I tried taking only natural dessicated

thyroid, but didn't do well, so I worked out the amounts above and my doctor

wrote the prescription for them. It has worked well for about 12 years. I've

seen endocrinologist too and they agree it is a perfect combination.

>> Also I have noticed that if I take too much Coconut oil my heart rate goes

way up which scares me because one of my many ailments is chest pains. And I'm

sure its my heart. Do you think that I should wait a few hours after taking the

Syntroid before I consume the Coconut oil?

+++Coconut oil does speed up metabolism so it can increase your heart rate,

which isn't a bad thing.

Could you describe your chest pains, i.e. where exactly is it located in your

chest, does it come and go, and how long have you had them? Also have you ever

had a diagnosis by the doctor you had heart troubles, and if so, when (in years

or months)?

Chest pains can be caused by stomach digestive issues, so that's why many people

end up in emergency thinking they are having a heart attack, but they don't. If

you are concerned get a diagnosis from your doctor so you don't have to worry

and wonder about it.

> Also another thing that I have noticed is that no matter how much I try to

adjust my Magnesium/ Calcium I keep getting lower leg pain, as soon as I consume

Magnesium. The same thing happens when I take the Sea salt. I am still taking

it, but just wish I knew how to stop the lower leg pain.

+++Is it pain, or do your muscles cramp, like a Charlie Horse, since the

difference is unmistakable. If it is pain it wouldn't be caused by an imbalance

of cal/mag or minerals, since it is caused by toxins. If you get muscle cramps,

which leg is it, left or right, or both?

+++Could you be having anything that is diuretic like caffeine, teas, lots of

green leafy vegetables, baking soda, green drinks, chlorophyll, etc.???

The best, Bee

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