Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Hi Lore, I just had this conversation with my son's doctor. She said she didn't know the long term effects (with scientific study) of eating a high fat, low carb diet, but we both agreed that it's quality of life rather than quantity. Just thought I'd put that out there... Group Moderator > > Hi Bee, Ive been doing alot of reading- from posts on the forum, to related links and the Nutrition and Physical Degeneration book which has me super-absorbed. One question that comes to mind however is about proof of elongated life span with this diet. I've read about all of its benefits in keeping one healthy and robust but I haven't yet read anything concrete on how staying on a predominantly meet/fat diet allows one to truly live longer than the regular population. What I do remember however is some kind of mention in the anthropologist's study of the Eskimos saying that the Eskimos were very healthy but their life span was shorter possibly because of their metabolism being so quick??? Please correct me if I understood wrong, but again, if there are any links you can provide me with that show longevity from following this protocol long term, it would be most appreciated by this enquiring mind Thanks Bee... > > Lore > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Well, I think of it this way. Maybe my maximum lifespan would be only 70 years either way. But with Bee's program, I won't spend the last 10 years of my life being chronically ill and throwing away my money on medical bills. I'll be active and clear-headed rather than senile (hopefully). I do medical transcription for a living... and I've transcribed lots of medical reports for people who are chronically ill. Some of them are demented, and they shuttle back-and-forth between the nursing home and the ER. That's not much of a life, even if they die at 100 years old. Pam Maltzman > > Hi Bee, Ive been doing alot of reading- from posts on the forum, to related links and the Nutrition and Physical Degeneration book which has me super-absorbed. One question that comes to mind however is about proof of elongated life span with this diet. I've read about all of its benefits in keeping one healthy and robust but I haven't yet read anything concrete on how staying on a predominantly meet/fat diet allows one to truly live longer than the regular population. What I do remember however is some kind of mention in the anthropologist's study of the Eskimos saying that the Eskimos were very healthy but their life span was shorter possibly because of their metabolism being so quick??? Please correct me if I understood wrong, but again, if there are any links you can provide me with that show longevity from following this protocol long term, it would be most appreciated by this enquiring mind Thanks Bee... > > Lore > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 > > Hi Bee, Ive been doing alot of reading- from posts on the forum, to related links and the Nutrition and Physical Degeneration book which has me super-absorbed. One question that comes to mind however is about proof of elongated life span with this diet. I've read about all of its benefits in keeping one healthy and robust but I haven't yet read anything concrete on how staying on a predominantly meet/fat diet allows one to truly live longer than the regular population. What I do remember however is some kind of mention in the anthropologist's study of the Eskimos saying that the Eskimos were very healthy but their life span was shorter possibly because of their metabolism being so quick??? Please correct me if I understood wrong, but again, if there are any links you can provide me with that show longevity from following this protocol long term, it would be most appreciated by this enquiring mind Thanks Bee... > +++Hi Lore, The Eskimos' life style was very harsh so they are not a good example to use. But I do know you cannot believe today's information about longevity being longer that in years past. The medical industry can twist any statistics in order to make us believe they are increasing longevity, when they actually aren't. See this article on Longevity that disproves longevity is better today compared to 1830, written by Sally Fallon, WAPF: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig20.php Sally Fallon also writes about morbidity, which means the quality of life - Pamela wrote to you about it. If you live the last 10 years of your life so debilitated you can't function without medical and physical care, your life's savings will be poured into the medical system, etc. What kind of living is that? Your loved ones also suffer longer, which increases their stress. The medical industry doesn't want you to know morbidity is so much worse today than it has been in history because they make so much money by prolonging morbidity, however they only use mortality (actual death) statistics, claiming people are living longer. All the best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 > > Hi Bee, Ive been doing alot of reading- from posts on the forum, to related links and the Nutrition and Physical Degeneration book which has me super-absorbed. One question that comes to mind however is about proof of elongated life span with this diet. I've read about all of its benefits in keeping one healthy and robust but I haven't yet read anything concrete on how staying on a predominantly meet/fat diet allows one to truly live longer than the regular population. What I do remember however is some kind of mention in the anthropologist's study of the Eskimos saying that the Eskimos were very healthy but their life span was shorter possibly because of their metabolism being so quick??? Please correct me if I understood wrong, but again, if there are any links you can provide me with that show longevity from following this protocol long term, it would be most appreciated by this enquiring mind Thanks Bee... > +++Hi Lore, I had a couple of other thoughts. 1) See Higher metabolism doesn't mean shorter lifespan: Study: http://tinyurl.com/4dyuuga OR http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/higher-metabolism-doesnt-mean-shorter\ -lifespan-study_100164749.html Second, I am 69 years old and have no debilitation of any kind, except I don't have a thyroid (lost because of the medical industry), my hair is white, my nose is longer and my " you know whats " aren't as perky as they were when I was young, probably due to gravity pull. lol! Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Thank you Bee > > > > Hi Bee, Ive been doing alot of reading- from posts on the forum, to related links and the Nutrition and Physical Degeneration book which has me super-absorbed. One question that comes to mind however is about proof of elongated life span with this diet. I've read about all of its benefits in keeping one healthy and robust but I haven't yet read anything concrete on how staying on a predominantly meet/fat diet allows one to truly live longer than the regular population. What I do remember however is some kind of mention in the anthropologist's study of the Eskimos saying that the Eskimos were very healthy but their life span was shorter possibly because of their metabolism being so quick??? Please correct me if I understood wrong, but again, if there are any links you can provide me with that show longevity from following this protocol long term, it would be most appreciated by this enquiring mind Thanks Bee... > > > +++Hi Lore, > > The Eskimos' life style was very harsh so they are not a good example to use. > > But I do know you cannot believe today's information about longevity being longer that in years past. The medical industry can twist any statistics in order to make us believe they are increasing longevity, when they actually aren't. > > See this article on Longevity that disproves longevity is better today compared to 1830, written by Sally Fallon, WAPF: > http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/dig20.php > > Sally Fallon also writes about morbidity, which means the quality of life - Pamela wrote to you about it. If you live the last 10 years of your life so debilitated you can't function without medical and physical care, your life's savings will be poured into the medical system, etc. What kind of living is that? Your loved ones also suffer longer, which increases their stress. > > The medical industry doesn't want you to know morbidity is so much worse today than it has been in history because they make so much money by prolonging morbidity, however they only use mortality (actual death) statistics, claiming people are living longer. > > All the best, Bee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Bee, you made me laugh out loud! Glad that you are enjoying wonderful health at 69... would love to see a more current picture of you. I looked a few days ago and noticed that your beautiful, main picture was taken some time ago. Anyway, Im grateful for all of the information and support on this site and although Im SLOWLY getting back on my feet, I realize that I have good company in this fight, as well as many success stories to give me hope. Thank you sweet lady for everything you do out of the goodness of your heart. I want you to know that not only am I on this diet, but I put my 9 year old daughter whom I adopted from Ukraine in 2002 on this diet recently. Im taking lots of heat from the school staff, but being that Ive had to have her on ADHD meds for the last 3 years is very heartbreaking for me... and believe it or not Im studying to be a psychologist. In just 2 weeks I see some wonderful improvements in her including her behavior and penmanship which is now much more legible. Im looking forward to reporting more advancements with her, but needless to say that when I become certified as a Psych. my philosophy on meds will be very distorted from the rest of the professional community. Who knows, I may be a pioneer in the field because of my experiences with nutrition and physical degeneration leading to nutrition and reestablishment of physical health. I'll keep you posted. With much gratitude, Lore > > > > Hi Bee, Ive been doing alot of reading- from posts on the forum, to related links and the Nutrition and Physical Degeneration book which has me super-absorbed. One question that comes to mind however is about proof of elongated life span with this diet. I've read about all of its benefits in keeping one healthy and robust but I haven't yet read anything concrete on how staying on a predominantly meet/fat diet allows one to truly live longer than the regular population. What I do remember however is some kind of mention in the anthropologist's study of the Eskimos saying that the Eskimos were very healthy but their life span was shorter possibly because of their metabolism being so quick??? Please correct me if I understood wrong, but again, if there are any links you can provide me with that show longevity from following this protocol long term, it would be most appreciated by this enquiring mind Thanks Bee... > > > +++Hi Lore, > > I had a couple of other thoughts. > > 1) See Higher metabolism doesn't mean shorter lifespan: Study: > http://tinyurl.com/4dyuuga > OR > http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/higher-metabolism-doesnt-mean-shorter\ -lifespan-study_100164749.html > > Second, I am 69 years old and have no debilitation of any kind, except I don't have a thyroid (lost because of the medical industry), my hair is white, my nose is longer and my " you know whats " aren't as perky as they were when I was young, probably due to gravity pull. lol! > > Bee > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 > > Bee, you made me laugh out loud! Glad that you are enjoying wonderful health at 69... would love to see a more current picture of you. I looked a few days ago and noticed that your beautiful, main picture was taken some time ago. +++Hi Lore. I do need to post a new photo. At Christmas several family members had photos of me in their digital cameras and I was even amazed at how good I looked. I asked " Is that actually me? " lol! I asked them to email some to me, but I guess they forgot. I got a Digital Camera for Christmas, so maybe I can get someone else to take one. +++Here's a story for you. Early in January my daughter, , 47 years old, visited, and we both went to get our hair cut. 's hair was cut first so I watched. At one point the hairdresser asked how old she was. said 47, and the hairdresser did a double-take looking directly at me, like how old are you? I casually said 69. She dropped her jaw and stepped back like she couldn't believe it. Then she said " what in the world do you use on your face? " I said coconut oil. A couple minutes later she looked at me again, and said " what do you eat since you look very healthy. " says, " oh she eats well and she has a website on how to eat good. " >>Anyway, Im grateful for all of the information and support on this site and although Im SLOWLY getting back on my feet, I realize that I have good company in this fight, as well as many success stories to give me hope. Thank you sweet lady for everything you do out of the goodness of your heart. I want you to know that not only am I on this diet, but I put my 9 year old daughter whom I adopted from Ukraine in 2002 on this diet recently. Im taking lots of heat from the school staff, but being that Ive had to have her on ADHD meds for the last 3 years is very heartbreaking for me... and believe it or not Im studying to be a psychologist. In just 2 weeks I see some wonderful improvements in her including her behavior and penmanship which is now much more legible. Im looking forward to reporting more advancements with her, but needless to say that when I become certified as a Psych. my philosophy on meds will be very distorted from the rest of the professional community. Who knows, I may be a pioneer in the field because of my experiences with nutrition and physical degeneration leading to nutrition and reestablishment of physical health. I'll keep you posted. +++You are a good Mom to put your daughter on this program too. It would be fabulous if you could make a difference in Psychiatry which is riddled with false information and horrid drugs. +++You are so very welcome for my help. I feel very fulfilled with this as my main purpose at this time in my life. Lotsa love & hugs, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 I have some thoughts on this too, that the Eskimos/Inuit have a very hard life - their shorter life span will have as much to do with that as anything, and also that when you look at longevity in the the past what is often overlooked is that whilst those who had moved to the industrial areas for work often lived much shorter lives due to the pollution, overwork, and stress, those who lived in the rural areas and got to eat well and regularly often lived relatively well and fit into old age. I did a recce of the ages of the American Presidents when they died, and many of them lived well into their 80s or even 90s, especially back before the 'Western Diet' became so predominant. There was a TV program on here in the UK recently with Ray Mears, highlighting the 'Voyageurs' who traversed Canadas waterways in birch bark canoes. They had to be extremely fit to cope with that. He highlighted that they often ate a diet that consisted of 50% fat, usually lard, supplemented with corn, and would catch and eat fish when they bivouacked. There was another program too recently (Human Planet) that featured different groups of people who managed to live in the desert. All the neighbors in an area had to dig a well and link them to get a good flow of water. Whilst they all helped each other, the man whose well was featured, climbed down the well - just by bracing himself against the sides and 'walking' down, to finish the link between his well and his neighbors', which was quite a risky thing in case it collapsed and buried him. But he did it ok and climbed back up again, as he had done every day whilst digging. He was 70 years of age! And he wasn't eating the Western Diet.... I think we can safely assume that all those people throughout history who have been able to eat enough fat and protein to fulfill their bodies' needs, would have been highly likely to live well, and long. Ali. PS. I mentioned to a lady in my local Pharmacy recently that I am following a low-carb diet, high-fat diet and that fat is not the evil substance it is touted to be. She said it was funny I said that, because her old Dad swore by a cooked breakfast every morning and he lived till he was 93 with hardly a day's illness in his life! > > > > Hi Bee, Ive been doing alot of reading- from posts on the forum, to related links and the Nutrition and Physical Degeneration book which has me super-absorbed. One question that comes to mind however is about proof of elongated life span with this diet. I've read about all of its benefits in keeping one healthy and robust but I haven't yet read anything concrete on how staying on a predominantly meet/fat diet allows one to truly live longer than the regular population. What I do remember however is some kind of mention in the anthropologist's study of the Eskimos saying that the Eskimos were very healthy but their life span was shorter possibly because of their metabolism being so quick??? Please correct me if I understood wrong, but again, if there are any links you can provide me with that show longevity from following this protocol long term, it would be most appreciated by this enquiring mind Thanks Bee... > > > +++Hi Lore, > > I had a couple of other thoughts. > > 1) See Higher metabolism doesn't mean shorter lifespan: Study: > http://tinyurl.com/4dyuuga > OR > http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/higher-metabolism-doesnt-mean-shorter\ -lifespan-study_100164749.html > > Second, I am 69 years old and have no debilitation of any kind, except I don't have a thyroid (lost because of the medical industry), my hair is white, my nose is longer and my " you know whats " aren't as perky as they were when I was young, probably due to gravity pull. lol! > > Bee > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 > > I have some thoughts on this too, that the Eskimos/Inuit have a very hard life - their shorter life span will have as much to do with that as anything, and also that when you look at longevity in the the past what is often overlooked is that whilst those who had moved to the industrial areas for work often lived much shorter lives due to the pollution, overwork, and stress, those who lived in the rural areas and got to eat well and regularly often lived relatively well and fit into old age. > > I did a recce of the ages of the American Presidents when they died, and many of them lived well into their 80s or even 90s, especially back before the 'Western Diet' became so predominant. > @@ Hi Ali & Everyone, My internet connection was down a few days, its now corrected and I'm just catching up to my messages. Interesting subject, longevity. I've reviewed some variables that have shown the greatest promise. They are diet and exercise. The other variables of good sleep and stress reduction, which fall into place by implementing a combination of the first two in conjunction with the obvious omission/minimal use of medications,alcohol,processed food and stimulants like coffee. However, in focusing on diet its based on quality and quantity. Both are important. Since Bee's diet, initially is meat,fat, and some vegetables .. it qualifies as quality. Which has been utilized in various cultures. Now when applying this to longevity one accordingly would consider quantity as well. Its been proven as far back as 500 yrs ago as well as recently in 2009 , that a quality diet with keeping the quantity to healthy small portions extends longevity and improves health,profoundly. Luigi Cornaro, born in 1484 lived to 102 yrs old, destined to die before 40 due to health problems, overcame his afflictions. He accomplished this by lowering food quantity and improving the quality of the food consumed. 13 segments of his personal account here. http://www.thetipsbank.com/cornaro.htm So much for people living a shorter life span in the past !!! Furthermore, Researchers at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in 2009 made the same spectacular discovery. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091118143217.htm The idea is to eat of quality food but in smaller portions/daily amounts. This is also makes good sense, since your digestion efficiency slows down with age. Thus not the same when you are 20 yrs old verses 70 yrs old in example. Therefore, i.e you may eat two moderate meals when you are younger, but divide it in 4 smaller portions later on life to maintain efficiency and absorption of nutrients as you age. Thus, probability of better quality health in combination of extended longevity. And there is much evidence to support this concept, which I provided two examples that span 500 years. While we cannot prevent aging entirely, combining a few concepts can extend & improve both quality & quantity of life! Thus, retaining robust health for the full duration of life. Pretty good, for low to no technology , I'd say Best in Health, Ed group moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 > ... ... ... > Its been proven as far back as 500 yrs ago as well as recently > in 2009 , that a quality diet with keeping the quantity to > healthy small portions extends longevity and improves > health,profoundly. > ... ... ... I've been mostly following this diet, not having Candida issues but doing it for my health, but initially I lost weight on the diet so began increasing portions. I eat quite a bit and have gained back to less weight than I was before, but at least I don't look sickly with sunken cheeks etc. But I eat quite a bit of food and do it by going back for more even though I'm full. Am I hurting my health benefits of eating the right food, by eating so much of it? Like 5 or 6 eggs in the morning scrambled in coconut oil with lots of veggies. Grassfed beef in the evenings with cooked veggies. Leftovers for lunch. I eat about twice the amount of food I used to eat, and maintain 10 to 15 lbs less weight. So what should I do, eat less and get way skinny again, is that healthier than what I've been doing? - Roy M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 > > ... ... ... > > Its been proven as far back as 500 yrs ago as well as recently > > in 2009 , that a quality diet with keeping the quantity to > > healthy small portions extends longevity and improves > > health,profoundly. > > ... ... ... > > I've been mostly following this diet, not having Candida issues but > doing it for my health, but initially I lost weight on the diet so > began increasing portions. I eat quite a bit and have gained back > to less weight than I was before, but at least I don't look sickly > with sunken cheeks etc. But I eat quite a bit of food and do it by > going back for more even though I'm full. Am I hurting my health > benefits of eating the right food, by eating so much of it? Like > 5 or 6 eggs in the morning scrambled in coconut oil with lots of > veggies. Grassfed beef in the evenings with cooked veggies. > Leftovers for lunch. I eat about twice the amount of food I used > to eat, and maintain 10 to 15 lbs less weight. So what should I do, > eat less and get way skinny again, is that healthier than what > I've been doing? > > - Roy M. > @@ Hi Roy, People with Candida or similar issues, may not be absorbing nutrients properly, thus the amounts Bee's diet suggest are definitely reasonable. Moreover, if you review past group messages, Bee has stated two good healthy meals are fine, but also goes on to state 3 meals are better, in her opinion. Thus , the information I submitted still can be utilized within the parameters of the diet. However, the information/concept I've have submitted is well researched and scientific in regards to the subject of longevity & health. What you do/implement of the information is entirely up for you or anyone's personal consideration. As for more people whom also have used this similar concept, Comedian Burns whom lived to 100 yrs old. Burns : http://www.legendsofcomedy.com/movie/burns.jpg And Ori Hofmekler who is athletic, in his 50's and a Health and Fitness editor. Ori Hofmekler: http://leanhybridmuscle.com/access/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/ori-hofmekler-auth\ or-portrait.jpg Again, the type of diet, exercise or lifestyle you or anyone decides to follow is totally also a matter of personal choice based on what you find is worth utilizing from the given information. Routes to good health will all have the same basic concepts but may vary a little and yet still succeed in maintaining/acquiring great health. So no worries. Best in Your Health Endeavors, Ed group moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 > > ... ... ... > > Its been proven as far back as 500 yrs ago as well as recently > > in 2009 , that a quality diet with keeping the quantity to > > healthy small portions extends longevity and improves > > health,profoundly. > > ... ... ... > > I've been mostly following this diet, not having Candida issues but > doing it for my health, but initially I lost weight on the diet so > began increasing portions. I eat quite a bit and have gained back > to less weight than I was before, but at least I don't look sickly > with sunken cheeks etc. But I eat quite a bit of food and do it by > going back for more even though I'm full. Am I hurting my health > benefits of eating the right food, by eating so much of it? Like > 5 or 6 eggs in the morning scrambled in coconut oil with lots of > veggies. Grassfed beef in the evenings with cooked veggies. > Leftovers for lunch. I eat about twice the amount of food I used > to eat, and maintain 10 to 15 lbs less weight. So what should I do, > eat less and get way skinny again, is that healthier than what > I've been doing? > +++Hi Roy M. If you keep your carbs (veggies) to the amount calculated for your ratio, you'll do fine on more meats, eggs and good fats I recommend. Low-carbs and the correct kinds of carbs are important! Skinnier isn't necessarily healthier. All the best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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