Guest guest Posted October 24, 2000 Report Share Posted October 24, 2000 Hi again Terry, I meant to say in my last post: I don't know what behaviors your son is doing, saying the OCD is at fault. Though OCD may be influencing his behavior, I didn't mean to give you the idea that you personally had to put up with anything/everything he does. In our home, if something is dangerous, destructive or very, very annoying to others, it has to stop whether it is OCD-related or no. We had a lot of this early in Kel's illness, prior to and during the first few months of medication. Behaviors that don't fit the above, such as unpleasantness, whining, and so on get taken upstairs in our home. I tell Kel to go get it out of her system, and she's welcome to come back downstairs and join us when she's feeling better. OCD certainly complicates parenting, but that doesn't mean "anything goes." Basic good parenting still applies! I mostly meant that I think it's unproductive to get into debates with your son whether or not a certain behavior is OCD. Part of recovery is his learning to identify OCD, which makes challenging his claim that something is OCD unhelpful. Kathy R. in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy egroups Right now, just beginning treatment and not very far off the starting block, it might make best sense to simply accept that all your son's behaviors are OCD. It may in fact be true, but anyway as he makes progress he will probably have better insight into what is and what isn't OCD. It's important right now to pick your battles, and let some things go since you nor your son can set everything right all at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2000 Report Share Posted October 26, 2000 Thanks Kathy for your input. I needed feedback as I'm feeling so frustrated. Terry Re: Frustrated Hi again Terry, I meant to say in my last post: I don't know what behaviors your son is doing, saying the OCD is at fault. Though OCD may be influencing his behavior, I didn't mean to give you the idea that you personally had to put up with anything/everything he does. In our home, if something is dangerous, destructive or very, very annoying to others, it has to stop whether it is OCD-related or no. We had a lot of this early in Kel's illness, prior to and during the first few months of medication. Behaviors that don't fit the above, such as unpleasantness, whining, and so on get taken upstairs in our home. I tell Kel to go get it out of her system, and she's welcome to come back downstairs and join us when she's feeling better. OCD certainly complicates parenting, but that doesn't mean "anything goes." Basic good parenting still applies! I mostly meant that I think it's unproductive to get into debates with your son whether or not a certain behavior is OCD. Part of recovery is his learning to identify OCD, which makes challenging his claim that something is OCD unhelpful. Kathy R. in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy egroups Right now, just beginning treatment and not very far off the starting block, it might make best sense to simply accept that all your son's behaviors are OCD. It may in fact be true, but anyway as he makes progress he will probably have better insight into what is and what isn't OCD. It's important right now to pick your battles, and let some things go since you nor your son can set everything right all at once. You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. You may subscribe to the Parents of Adults with OCD List at parentsofadultswithOCD . You may access the files, links, and archives for our list at . Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., and Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Kathy Hammes, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Roman, and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues, problems, or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at harkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 Tara, Oh boy do I know your frustration...I'm in grad school and have the same feelings. What I'm told is that for some, results aren't seen until the 4th, sometimes even 8th and 10th weeks. Everyone is different. One thing I know for sure though...if you're sticking with the program, you WILL see results. Until then, try to stay with your motivation and use all of your resources to do that! Try the following for awesome inspiration! http://www.bodyforlifediaries.com http://bodyforlife.hussman.com/eas and other links that you see! I want to hear about the great results thast I know you'll see soon! Good luck, Tara :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 Tara, I am with you on the up and down days, but don't worry YOU WILL SEE RESULTS. That is as long as you follow the plan and from what I hear ppl get their results at different times. Stay positive and good luck! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 Tara, Give it time - 14 days is so short in the whole scheme of things! I saw really good results with my four week pictures but I know a lot of people who didn't see hardly any results until 6 to 8 weeks and then it was like the fat melted off and the muscles were there! Good luck! Sara Hi! Tomorrow will be my 14th day on the challenge and I'm really frustrated because I'm not seeing much change. I follow the plan pretty well: I work out at 6:15am on M, W, and F; I work out at 9:00 on T, Th, and S; I eat six meals a day (one serv. prot. and one serv. carb.); and I take my free day. Sometimes I don't wait the full two to three hours between meals but not often. Every once in a while I go out to eat with some people and I try to order the healthiest thing on the menu that is one serv. of both prot. and carbs. Am I supposed to see any results by now? My motivation goes up and down with the day and I want it to be up all of the time. Does anybody have any suggestions? I'm in college so I don't have 100% freedom over my life but I have changed my schedule around so that I can do the challenge.-Tara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 At 12:44 PM -0500 1/4/2002, M wrote: Still, I felt frustrated > >that I wasn't able to see the doctor today to ask him why we're not using > > cognitive behavior therapy (maybe it's because has anxiety, > >tactile defensiveness, *and* OCD and his self-esteem is low so the doctor > >doesn't want him to feel labeled? Or maybe it's because only > >exhibits compulsions, but no obsessions? Or maybe it's because just > >talking with the psychologist seems to ease 's anxiety enough that > >he doesn't perform the compulsions as much? Hi I don't think anything that you've described is a reason not to do CBT with Micheal. I think it's agreat idea to ask the Dr. why not. It could be that the doc doesn't have CBT experience as not all of them do. Good Luck and hang in there. I always try to remind myself that if I find OCD frustrating, it must be even more frustrating for my daughter. Kathy -- Kathy Mac, LICSW email: macdonald@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 At 12:44 PM -0500 1/4/2002, M wrote: Still, I felt frustrated > >that I wasn't able to see the doctor today to ask him why we're not using > > cognitive behavior therapy (maybe it's because has anxiety, > >tactile defensiveness, *and* OCD and his self-esteem is low so the doctor > >doesn't want him to feel labeled? Or maybe it's because only > >exhibits compulsions, but no obsessions? Or maybe it's because just > >talking with the psychologist seems to ease 's anxiety enough that > >he doesn't perform the compulsions as much? Hi I don't think anything that you've described is a reason not to do CBT with Micheal. I think it's agreat idea to ask the Dr. why not. It could be that the doc doesn't have CBT experience as not all of them do. Good Luck and hang in there. I always try to remind myself that if I find OCD frustrating, it must be even more frustrating for my daughter. Kathy -- Kathy Mac, LICSW email: macdonald@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 Lorri, Maybe you could work out an agreement with him that you'll let each infection (viral or bacterial) wait a specific amount of time (5-7 days) before antibiotics are prescribed. Also, maybe you could ask him to culture each infection (time consuming & expensive) before anything is prescribed. The culture would take the guesswork out of it. Waiting 5-7 days would give you some idea of whether or not it was a virus and expected to run its course. Those are the best ideas I can come up with. When Autumn's sick, I generally give it a week before we go into the dr. If she's not better & seems to be getting worse, I can usually tell it's bacterial & we need antibiotics. My ped is confortable with this time frame & always asks me how long we've had these symptoms before we come into the office. Ray, mother to Tabitha (age 6), Autumn, age 4 (IgG Def., asthma, chronic sinusitis, and allergies), and Duncan Avery, 8 months Does anyone have any ideas on how to convince my doctor that when we go to the doctor the infection might seem to be viral but it will turn into bacterial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 Lorri, Maybe you could work out an agreement with him that you'll let each infection (viral or bacterial) wait a specific amount of time (5-7 days) before antibiotics are prescribed. Also, maybe you could ask him to culture each infection (time consuming & expensive) before anything is prescribed. The culture would take the guesswork out of it. Waiting 5-7 days would give you some idea of whether or not it was a virus and expected to run its course. Those are the best ideas I can come up with. When Autumn's sick, I generally give it a week before we go into the dr. If she's not better & seems to be getting worse, I can usually tell it's bacterial & we need antibiotics. My ped is confortable with this time frame & always asks me how long we've had these symptoms before we come into the office. Ray, mother to Tabitha (age 6), Autumn, age 4 (IgG Def., asthma, chronic sinusitis, and allergies), and Duncan Avery, 8 months Does anyone have any ideas on how to convince my doctor that when we go to the doctor the infection might seem to be viral but it will turn into bacterial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 I feel the same way. Graham had been sick since thanksgiving and every week we went back to be re-evaluated and all they would say was, " it still looks viral " . And so many times the lab work, although not horrible, indicated a high white count (bacterial?). What can we do? Kim, mom to Linz and Graham (Brutons) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 I feel the same way. Graham had been sick since thanksgiving and every week we went back to be re-evaluated and all they would say was, " it still looks viral " . And so many times the lab work, although not horrible, indicated a high white count (bacterial?). What can we do? Kim, mom to Linz and Graham (Brutons) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Lorri, I wish it was an easy answer. Both of my boys are immune compromised and have blasts (leukemia cells) in their marrow, so our doctors are overly cautious with everything they get. They assume is more sickly than ph b/c he also has CVID, as well. Can your doctors do a CBC with a diff to determine what's going on? Our docs do CBCs and that can tell them more-- depending on the number of segs, bands, total WBC, etc etc they can more accurately decide. Just a thought-- we have to do a CBC w/ diff every tiem S or J gets a fever w/o any symptroms b/c of the blasts and the possiblility of them transforming into leukemia. BUT it is a good way for them to tell if something is viral or not-- i.e. if the counts come back and it looks bacterial, they give the bosy IV antibiotics... if it looks viral we go home and wait.... and yes they get a lot of secondary bacterial infections from viruses... I usually wait 10 days after the symptoms appear adn bring them in to check. If they dont; have the signs of bacterial infections, we hold off on the antibiotics b/c we don;t want them to get resistant ... Last week went to the ped to be checked b/c he had been sick... his ears and ewverything were clear-- that night he got a temp of 105 and had an ear infection... but he has also had that happen w/o any bacterial infection.. I'm rambling-- basically it is a roller coaster ride... UGH... wish I could help! Pattie > Does anyone have any ideas on how to convince my doctor that when we go to the doctor the infection might seem to be viral but it will turn into bacterial? I can never count on my doctor. Sometimes he says it looks viral but here is an antibiotic just in case and then when I want to count on him saying that he says wait 4 or 5 days to see if it is viral or not!! I am so frustrated. > > Lorri ( 11 CVID) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 Hi Jackie I just checked and this email jbocci55@... shows no ID next to it Try going back to and getting a user name and password. Evidently it did not go thru before Let me know if you can't get thru and we will work on it Tina Frustrated > > I have been trying to get my ID and password from for WEEKS! It keeps > coming up NO MATCH when I punch in my email address (and I only have one > address, so I know it can't be wrong!) I have been wanting to view pictures > and now I want to take a look at this database thing and I get NOWHERE. UGH! > What must I do? > > Jackie > > > Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for messages to go to the sender of the message. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2002 Report Share Posted April 4, 2002 I did the same thing and ended up signing up under a new email address. When you sign up again for Upsndowns, will give you a choice which addy you want the posts sent to, so you can still use the old addy to send & receive Upsndowns. You just need the new addy & password to sign on to . AND don't forget them. is SUCH a pain!!! You can set up a free email account lots of places. My server lets me have 4 accounts if I want. I never use my extra acct. for anything but logging in with . Hope I explained this OK! Burghardt Mom to Heidi 11 DS, Caleb 11 NDA, Corrie 10 DS and Mae 5 DS GOD BLESS AMERICA! I have been trying to get my ID and password from for WEEKS! It keeps coming up NO MATCH when I punch in my email address (and I only have one address, so I know it can't be wrong!) I have been wanting to view pictures and now I want to take a look at this database thing and I get NOWHERE. UGH! What must I do? Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Jenaka, I am sorry to hear about all this. It is terrible what these kids go through. Haven't the docs checked to see if there is another ulcer? Why does he have blood transfusions? I am sorry if you already talked about that, I missed it. I am praying that everything comes together and that the docs will take care of everything. I know waiting is a very very hard thing to do. You always have a friend here. My prayers are with both of you. How is he feeling today? ===== Teddy bear hugs and love, Casaria and Tas __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Hi everyone I have a question. Since taking Baxtra I get such bad water retention that it's about two to three pounds built up. Is this good or bad? I called my doc but hasn't called back yet so i thought I would come to my group friends. By the way I have read the mail for today and I feel so bad for many of you that I am including you all in my prayers. Hugs, ette God Bless You All,your friend, <))>< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 I had the same problem after my " free " day this wk. I think it's just water wt from too much salt/bad carbs. No way could we have eaten over 6000 cals! Ignore it and keep going. Becky > I am so frustrated! I have been having a real problem with gaining at least a couple lbs back after my free day. I am trying to be careful and not eat too much but I still gain. How come it takes you a good week with hard work to lose a couple lbs and then you can gain it all back in one day? Does anyone else have this problem? > > a > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 a, I'm pretty sure you're not gaining two pounds of fat from one free day, it's more then likely water weight. I could be totally wrong on this, but I believe for you to gain two pounds, you'd have to take in something like an extra 3000 calories over the number of calories your body needs on a daily basis. So you'd have to be consuming something like 5400 calories. Not to mention, I'm sure you're fairly active, even on your free day, and you've built muscle from lifting, so you're body is still burning calories, even on your free day. Making it virtually impossible to gain 2 pounds of fat in one day. Maybe it would be better for you to do your weekly weigh ins on Sunday morning, or whatever day you have chosen as your free day. This way you will have an accurate idea of how much you're losing in a week, and not freaking out by that scale weight, which we all know LIES!!!!! Also, are you measuring weekly? For me, seeing the inches getting smaller, even if the scale isn't moving, is very rewarding. Hope this made some sense. Good luck and stay positive! Jill > I am so frustrated! I have been having a real problem with gaining at least a couple lbs back after my free day. I am trying to be careful and not eat too much but I still gain. How come it takes you a good week with hard work to lose a couple lbs and then you can gain it all back in one day? Does anyone else have this problem? > > a > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 Its only water from your carbs, dont' worry about it!!! ~kimah Frustrated I am so frustrated! I have been having a real problem with gaining at least a couple lbs back after my free day. I am trying to be careful and not eat too much but I still gain. How come it takes you a good week with hard work to lose a couple lbs and then you can gain it all back in one day? Does anyone else have this problem? a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 I think you are right. I have started drinking tons of water in the evening of my free days, then I " pee like a racehorse " the next day. Seems to flush the extra sodium and junk out. I am getting more and more scale shy. I gained 2 # this week but waist went down and inch, pictures looked better and I can zip the jeans I couldn't get on last week. I think it's better to focus on the positive things we see rather than scale weight. Try writing a list of the positives. I have noticed my nails are stronger and thicker and the acne I have struggled with since my teens is even improving. Pimples at 39 yuck! Re: Frustrated > a, > > I'm pretty sure you're not gaining two pounds of fat from one free > day, it's more then likely water weight. I could be totally wrong on > this, but I believe for you to gain two pounds, you'd have to take in > something like an extra 3000 calories over the number of calories > your body needs on a daily basis. So you'd have to be consuming > something like 5400 calories. Not to mention, I'm sure you're fairly > active, even on your free day, and you've built muscle from lifting, > so you're body is still burning calories, even on your free day. > Making it virtually impossible to gain 2 pounds of fat in one day. > > Maybe it would be better for you to do your weekly weigh ins on > Sunday morning, or whatever day you have chosen as your free day. > This way you will have an accurate idea of how much you're losing in > a week, and not freaking out by that scale weight, which we all know > LIES!!!!! Also, are you measuring weekly? For me, seeing the inches > getting smaller, even if the scale isn't moving, is very rewarding. > > Hope this made some sense. Good luck and stay positive! > > Jill > > > > > > > > I am so frustrated! I have been having a real problem with gaining > at least a couple lbs back after my free day. I am trying to be > careful and not eat too much but I still gain. How come it takes you > a good week with hard work to lose a couple lbs and then you can gain > it all back in one day? Does anyone else have this problem? > > > > a > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 Unless you really enjoy frustration, don't weigh yourself right after free day. EVERYONE gains 1-4 pounds of water the day after free day. That's normal. :-) It will be gone and then some 3 or 4 days later. If you want to save your sanity, weigh yourself once a week, the morning of free day, before you've had anything to eat or drink. That way every time you step on the scale you'll have a full week of clean eating behind you. Here's an article that explains it all: Why the Scale Lies http://skwigg.tripod.com/wow/id12.html Frustrated I am so frustrated! I have been having a real problem with gaining at least a couple lbs back after my free day. I am trying to be careful and not eat too much but I still gain. How come it takes you a good week with hard work to lose a couple lbs and then you can gain it all back in one day? Does anyone else have this problem? a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 > Last Monday I did deadlifts for the first time. I guess I didn't > realize how much I was lifting until that night when I could barely > walk. Well, my hamstrings pretty much hurt all week but I continued > with my workouts thinking they just needed to loosen up. Friday I did > leg presses and on my last 12 reps I did squats and TWEAK my back > went out. > > Well, it's now Monday and I'm feeling better though not completely. I > am really frustrated. I was on such a role and now I'm afraid to get > back into the heavy cardio and weight training I did before. Anyone > else experience a set back like this? How long should I wait? > > Arg. I can feel the difference in my metabolism already. I'm losing > my appetite and am forcing myself to eat, though I probably shouldn't > eat as much. This is supposed to be my week #9 but I think I'll start > back with week #8 once I get going again. > > I'm so FRUSTRATED!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 This happened to me just last week, actually. I was so worried about gaining fat because I had to skip 3 workouts to heal. I even had a lousy food week on top of everything. But when I weighed and measured yesterday, nothing went up and I lost inches in three places. Really listen to your body before working out again. Make sure you are really ready, and even then you may want to lift a little lighter to " test " your body. Also, stretch your back before and after each exercise. This has helped me...and strech periodically throughout the day. I hope your back feels better soon and I wouldn't start your week over again. Just look at this as a bump in the road you have to get over, not a stop sign. Also, use your resting time to focus on your goals and picture yourself in your new body. Bill says we all run into some adversity....it's how we overcome it that makes us champions (or something to that effect). Good luck and I hope you heal soon! -Tiffiny > Last Monday I did deadlifts for the first time. I guess I didn't > realize how much I was lifting until that night when I could barely > walk. Well, my hamstrings pretty much hurt all week but I continued > with my workouts thinking they just needed to loosen up. Friday I did > leg presses and on my last 12 reps I did squats and TWEAK my back > went out. > > Well, it's now Monday and I'm feeling better though not completely. I > am really frustrated. I was on such a role and now I'm afraid to get > back into the heavy cardio and weight training I did before. Anyone > else experience a set back like this? How long should I wait? > > Arg. I can feel the difference in my metabolism already. I'm losing > my appetite and am forcing myself to eat, though I probably shouldn't > eat as much. This is supposed to be my week #9 but I think I'll start > back with week #8 once I get going again. > > I'm so FRUSTRATED!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 I injured my neck during my first challenge, it hurt and was extreamly sore. Of course there aren't too many weights you lift with your head! But it took me sometime to get back into it, just don't push it. If you have seriously injured your self talk to a doctor. If you think that you can work out, go very light for a while until you can go heavier. At which point don't push it soo much. It is ok, you will learn from this lesson. I just remember when I did the leg press machiene for the first time. Oy, very funny watching me leave the gym I almost fell off of the curb. I was walking like a rat for a week. (crookedd?) I guess that is why they call me rat woman.. MEgan > Last Monday I did deadlifts for the first time. I guess I didn't > realize how much I was lifting until that night when I could barely > walk. Well, my hamstrings pretty much hurt all week but I continued > with my workouts thinking they just needed to loosen up. Friday I did > leg presses and on my last 12 reps I did squats and TWEAK my back > went out. > > Well, it's now Monday and I'm feeling better though not completely. I > am really frustrated. I was on such a role and now I'm afraid to get > back into the heavy cardio and weight training I did before. Anyone > else experience a set back like this? How long should I wait? > > Arg. I can feel the difference in my metabolism already. I'm losing > my appetite and am forcing myself to eat, though I probably shouldn't > eat as much. This is supposed to be my week #9 but I think I'll start > back with week #8 once I get going again. > > I'm so FRUSTRATED!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Liz, Until you can go to the foot doctor, I would suggest you go to http://www.harrietcarter.com and order the phase 4 orthodics. That is what my husband uses and he swears by them. I have regular orthodics that were prescribed for me a long time ago. They really do make a difference. The phase4 orthodics cost $20.00, but in my opinion are really worth the $20.00. I have purchased two pairs for my husband (one for his work shoes and one for his tennis shoes) a pair for my 12 year old and a pair for my 11 year old. Hope this helps you. Karma Frustrated > I'm soooo frustrated :-o > > I'm having problems with my leg making it difficult to exercise the way > that I want to. :-( I would love to be able to walk and do LL together at > least 5 days a week. However until I can go to a foot doctor or find a > good shoe store that knows about feet problems that sells good walking > shoes that can help me figure out the correct shoes that will help my > flat feet from causing problems with my leg when I walk I have to be very > careful. We don't have decent insurance right now or extra money to spend > on expensive shoes because of Steve being out of work so I just have to > live with it for awhile. I walked 3 days in a row last week and I've paid > for it all weekend. I'm hoping to be able to walk while doing LL 2 or 3 > days this week, not in a row, but I don't know. Aaahhh!!!! :-o > > Thanks for listening!!!! > Love, Liz > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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