acid reflux

[Guest guest]

Peggy,

My layman's guess would be H. pylori and that you need a Prevpak. I

would contact someone in the office directly (not through the list

because in case you haven't noticed sometimes it is SEVERAL days

before posts go through) and ask for a prescription.

Feel better!

in GA

> I'm wondering if anybody else has had a problem with acid reflux. I

am

> almost 15 months out and haven't had much of a problem with this

until

> the last couple of nights. For two nights in a row, I have woken up

> about 2:30am with a terrible burning in my throat. I have been

getting

> up and drinking a lot of water and taking some Tums which help

> somewhat. The first night, I thought that it was just because I had

> eaten something spicy for dinner, (which I haven't had a problem

with

> before), but then it happened again last night. Now today, I have

> pressure in my upper chest, probably gas. I already take a Protonix

> every night. If anybody has or had this problem, could you tell me

> what you do for it. And if anyone in Dr. R's office would like to

> comment or has any advice on this, I would really appreciate it.

>

> Peggy in MI

[Guest guest]

Hello Peggy,

I had my surgery 13 months ago and also had a similar sensation in the

last week. It improved a lot with Pepto Bismol and Zantac. One of the

nights,

I even took Protonix (still had some at home) . I am not sure what provoked

the crisis. I usually do not need anything except for Tums that I take

regularly

as a calcium suplement. The burning sensation started just after a trip to

New York and I thought that it was the airport and airplane food. Although

it

improved, I am feeling still my stomach quite acid. If the acidity does not

to completely away, I will consult my doctor. Except for this incident,

I feel great.

Hope you feel better soon.

Nely

10/02/2002

194/125

Dr. R

Acid Reflux

>I'm wondering if anybody else has had a problem with acid reflux. I am

>almost 15 months out and haven't had much of a problem with this until

>the last couple of nights. For two nights in a row, I have woken up

>about 2:30am with a terrible burning in my throat. I have been getting

>up and drinking a lot of water and taking some Tums which help

>somewhat. The first night, I thought that it was just because I had

>eaten something spicy for dinner, (which I haven't had a problem with

>before), but then it happened again last night. Now today, I have

>pressure in my upper chest, probably gas. I already take a Protonix

>every night. If anybody has or had this problem, could you tell me

>what you do for it. And if anyone in Dr. R's office would like to

>comment or has any advice on this, I would really appreciate it.

>

>Peggy in MI

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Peggy,

I am 7 months out and I too am having bad acid reflux. I have awoken with

a mouth full of acid - sorry to be gross but it really hurts. This would

cause me to start throwing up. I went to my PCP who made some suggestions that

are helping so far. I went to a web site bedblocks.com and ordered some

bedblocks to elevate the head of my bed about 4 inches. You can do this without

buying the bedblocks but they weren't very expensive and seem safer than having

my

bed roll off a couple 2X4s. They look more attractive too. I also am taking

a Zantac 75 (over the counter) in addition to the protonix. The thing I think

has helped the most has been not eating within 2 hours of going to bed.

Reflux is worse if you go to bed on a full stomach. I was told by someone at

CLOS

that it might be H.pylori, but I am not convinced that this is true for me

because I feel good most of the time and only have problems at night. It might

be something you should consider. So far these measures are working for me.

Hope this helps.

Sue

4/22/03

Dr. R

304/215 (1 more pound will be 90 pounds) Soon I will join the century club!

[Guest guest]

I have heard baking soda in water or even brushing your teeth with

baking soda and swallowing some. It is supposed to help neutralize the

acid. If you ever have had to clean your battery in your car you would

use baking soda and water. It neutralizes the acid. Has anyone ever

told you it might be bile? There was a part in the book about that.

Hope it gets better.

Sherry in NM

210/151 9-18-02

Re: Acid Reflux

Peggy,

I am 7 months out and I too am having bad acid reflux. I have awoken

with

a mouth full of acid - sorry to be gross but it really hurts. This

would

cause me to start throwing up. I went to my PCP who made some

suggestions that

are helping so far. I went to a web site bedblocks.com and ordered some

bedblocks to elevate the head of my bed about 4 inches. You can do this

without

buying the bedblocks but they weren't very expensive and seem safer than

having my

bed roll off a couple 2X4s. They look more attractive too. I also am

taking

a Zantac 75 (over the counter) in addition to the protonix. The thing I

think

has helped the most has been not eating within 2 hours of going to bed.

Reflux is worse if you go to bed on a full stomach. I was told by

someone at CLOS

that it might be H.pylori, but I am not convinced that this is true for

me

because I feel good most of the time and only have problems at night. It

might

be something you should consider. So far these measures are working for

me.

Hope this helps.

Sue

4/22/03

Dr. R

304/215 (1 more pound will be 90 pounds) Soon I will join the century

club!

[Guest guest]

I too am having reflux problems from time to time at night. I'm three and a half

years out. Twice it has woken me up out of a sound sleep and made me vomit.

If I don't eat a bit before bedtime, it doesn't happen. But I have developed a

habit of snacking right before bed. I'm working on breaking that habit now.

One of the things that I found that did help was to have a sip of Coke. I do not

drink soda and have not since surgery. But I read this hint a while back and

remembered it in the middle of the night when I was awake with the burning in

the chest. It helped tremendously.

Hope you get steady relief really soon!

Flo from land

Re: Acid Reflux

Peggy,

I am 7 months out and I too am having bad acid reflux. I have awoken

with

a mouth full of acid - sorry to be gross but it really hurts. This

would

cause me to start throwing up. I went to my PCP who made some

suggestions that

are helping so far. I went to a web site bedblocks.com and ordered some

bedblocks to elevate the head of my bed about 4 inches. You can do this

without

buying the bedblocks but they weren't very expensive and seem safer than

having my

bed roll off a couple 2X4s. They look more attractive too. I also am

taking

a Zantac 75 (over the counter) in addition to the protonix. The thing I

think

has helped the most has been not eating within 2 hours of going to bed.

Reflux is worse if you go to bed on a full stomach. I was told by

someone at CLOS

that it might be H.pylori, but I am not convinced that this is true for

me

because I feel good most of the time and only have problems at night. It

might

be something you should consider. So far these measures are working for

me.

Hope this helps.

Sue

4/22/03

Dr. R

304/215 (1 more pound will be 90 pounds) Soon I will join the century

club!

[Guest guest]

I had reflux a couple of times per month prior to my MGB - but Dr. R

fixed a hiatal hernia at the time of my surgery too! I will

have " indigestion " i.e. severe heartburn if I eat certain things

before bed, particularly chocolate. However, on a couple of

occasions in the past 3 years I have had 3-4 bouts of reflux over the

course of a month or so. Both times I mentioned it to the office

staff, both times I was prescribed a PrevPak for H. pylori and the

reflux disappears.

Reflux typically appears only at night so the fact that you are not

having symptoms during the day does not mean you don't have H.

pylori. The treatment is Prevacid with a combination of two

antibiotics to take the bacteria out of your intestinal tract.

Apparently we are at higher risk for the H. pylori because of the

alteration of the way food is handled by our stomachs and our

intestines. I would not hesitate to try a PrevPak - reflux is nasty

stuff and something I avoid at all costs and if taking 4 pills twice

a day for 14 days will take care of it for a year or longer you

better believe I am going to try it!

Someone once told me that baking soda does " neutralize " but there was

something harmful about it too --- I don't remember the specifics

though.

Good luck everyone!

in GA

> Peggy,

> I am 7 months out and I too am having bad acid reflux. I have

awoken

> with

> a mouth full of acid - sorry to be gross but it really hurts.

This

> would

> cause me to start throwing up. I went to my PCP who made some

> suggestions that

> are helping so far. I went to a web site bedblocks.com and

ordered some

>

> bedblocks to elevate the head of my bed about 4 inches. You can

do this

> without

> buying the bedblocks but they weren't very expensive and seem

safer than

> having my

> bed roll off a couple 2X4s. They look more attractive too. I

also am

> taking

> a Zantac 75 (over the counter) in addition to the protonix. The

thing I

> think

> has helped the most has been not eating within 2 hours of going

to bed.

>

> Reflux is worse if you go to bed on a full stomach. I was told by

> someone at CLOS

> that it might be H.pylori, but I am not convinced that this is

true for

> me

> because I feel good most of the time and only have problems at

night. It

> might

> be something you should consider. So far these measures are

working for

> me.

> Hope this helps.

>

> Sue

> 4/22/03

> Dr. R

> 304/215 (1 more pound will be 90 pounds) Soon I will join the

century

> club!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I will tell you, I have found that many people with your issues

have backed up bowels and getting bowels moving is all it takes for the

acid stomach and other issues to go away. Unless you are having three

bowel movements a day you are backed up. Food in, food out, is how the

system works. If you put food in and food does not come out and equal

amount of times, then you are storing fecal matter. This will cause

acid reflux and an enlarged liver.

Often something as simple as taking probiotics (acidophilus and such)

will get things moving and give remarkably fast relief.

You might consider doing some juicing and light foods and taking some

steps to really clean out the bowel and see how your body responds. To

move the bowel I would avoid bowel stimulants and go for something like

homozon that is more of a stool softener and doesn't irritate the bowel.

Just eating alot of high fiber food can help.

Pick a protocol that feels right to you and see what you think.

Not a doctor and not prescribing, just sharing my own experience and

that of friends

Blessings

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

innosent_eyes wrote:

>I have terrible heartburn and acid is constantly coming up my pipe.

>My stomach always feels acidic, and I don't know what to eat to keep

>this in check, why it's happening, or if it can be cured. Any

>suggestions? I've been told I have a weak cardiac sphincter, can

>that be strengthened, and would that help? Am I in danger of getting

>ulcers? Has been suggested that stress is major cause.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would not be surprised if stress is a major factor, as it is with most

illness. If it were me, I would take a long hard look at my diet and drinking

habits. Possibly go raw for a 3-4 month trial. Drink a glass of water with one

lemon squeezed into it about 20 minutes before every meal especially in the

morning, take lots of good quality enzymes. Drink lots of good water and do

rebounding and/or the " ankle wobbler thingy " Also, the sphincter muscles are

controlled by the brain and Brain Gym/EduK has been known to have some

remarkable success with getting back sphincter control. Good luck.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI), San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

Acid Reflux

I have terrible heartburn and acid is constantly coming up my pipe.

My stomach always feels acidic, and I don't know what to eat to keep

this in check, why it's happening, or if it can be cured. Any

suggestions? I've been told I have a weak cardiac sphincter, can

that be strengthened, and would that help? Am I in danger of getting

ulcers? Has been suggested that stress is major cause.

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Have similar symptoms - when I take ::

Sweets, cookies, mix foods, i.e. meats with starchy vegetables or bread (st.

veg.).

How to stop - watch food mixes - and take a teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinegar

in half glass water at onset.

Food mixes are the key - I have NO PROBLEMS when I stick to a steak and raw

salad with Olive Oil!

Processed foods - " add water soups " etc, chips and dips, cheese and bread -

all seem to bring this on, so parties, with the little finger foods and

savouries are a NO_NO!

Regards

Acid Reflux

> I have terrible heartburn and acid is constantly coming up my pipe.

> My stomach always feels acidic, and I don't know what to eat to keep

> this in check, why it's happening, or if it can be cured. Any

> suggestions? I've been told I have a weak cardiac sphincter, can

> that be strengthened, and would that help? Am I in danger of getting

> ulcers? Has been suggested that stress is major cause.

>

>

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

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[Guest guest]

Have similar symptoms - when I take ::

Sweets, cookies, mix foods, i.e. meats with starchy vegetables or bread (st.

veg.).

How to stop - watch food mixes - and take a teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinegar

in half glass water at onset.

Food mixes are the key - I have NO PROBLEMS when I stick to a steak and raw

salad with Olive Oil!

Processed foods - " add water soups " etc, chips and dips, cheese and bread -

all seem to bring this on, so parties, with the little finger foods and

savouries are a NO_NO!

Regards

Acid Reflux

> I have terrible heartburn and acid is constantly coming up my pipe.

> My stomach always feels acidic, and I don't know what to eat to keep

> this in check, why it's happening, or if it can be cured. Any

> suggestions? I've been told I have a weak cardiac sphincter, can

> that be strengthened, and would that help? Am I in danger of getting

> ulcers? Has been suggested that stress is major cause.

>

>

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

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[Guest guest]

> I have terrible heartburn and acid is constantly coming up my pipe.

> My stomach always feels acidic, and I don't know what to eat to keep

> this in check, why it's happening, or if it can be cured. Any

> suggestions? I've been told I have a weak cardiac sphincter, can

> that be strengthened, and would that help? Am I in danger of getting

> ulcers? Has been suggested that stress is major cause.

From my files:

" Upper Gastrointestinal Symptom Relief

100% safe and effective symptom relief, within 3 weeks, for cost of

about $10.

Hiatus Hernia (also known as Gastro-Esophageal Reflux Disorder or GERD)

is an increasingly common problem with heartburn in the upper

abdominal/lower chest area. It is incurable from a conventional medical

approach (short of a dangerous major surgical procedure). The solution

is very inexpensive, 100% safe and available without any medical

supervision. Actually most upper gastrointestinal symptoms would be

improved by the same approach--why not give it a try? This has been a

standard treatment in Traditional Chinese medicine for thousands of

years. You would have nothing to lose but your symptoms. THEN, perhaps,

you would ask the question that begs to be asked: " Why didn't MY doctor

tell me that? "

Here is something to try which, in my experience over the past 15+

years, nearly always works regardless of what the actual diagnosis is.

It is perfectly safe and costs practically nothing. AND, if the

condition EVER comes back, you can repeat the treatment. You can lose

nothing by trying. If it doesn't work, I would like to know because it

RARELY fails. Also, I might have more advice, depending on your

experience.

Go to the grocery store, to the produce department, and buy about #2 of

ginger root. The heavier the root, the more juice there is in it.

Run all of it through a good juicer ( don't use a blender).

Save all the juice in a jar in the refrigerator and take a teaspoon

every morning on arising. At first, you will feel like you have just

swallowed 200 proof alcohol but you will soon get used to the sensation.

Do this every day for 3 weeks. Your symptoms may well disappear long

before that but, if you stop before the 3 weeks, you will almost

certainly have a relapse since the problem has been going on for so

long.

If you ever have any symptoms return, if you will do this right away for

a few days, it will work again. The longer you keep your symptoms,

before using the juice, the longer you will have to take it to prevent a

relapse. Let others know how you do. Others deserve to know that they

have alternatives that their Conventional Medical Physician is not

telling them about because it is too inexpensive. "

*************

In addition, please do a web search using something like " need for HCL

with GERD "

(without the quotes). You will be amazed to find that the cause is

almost always a need for MORE stomach acid-----contrary to " popular

opinion " which is shaped by all the drug companies pushing their

Prilosec, et al.

In the absence of sufficient stomach acid (hydrochloric acid), food,

protein in particular, will ferment in the stomach causing the backup of

what feels like acid, but is actually the by-product of fermentation.

This is particularly evident when the sphincters are weak.

I have a hiatal hernia and I can't live without HCL with all my meals.

Best wishes,

Sharon

[Guest guest]

yes sharon exactly

the stomach needs to be as acidic as possible to help break down food

efficiently

fresh lemon/lemon juice/lemonade provides chloride to reacidify the stomach

the other issue is plugged liver which causes the spasm in the first place.

gerd is a ridiculous fabricated disease that coincided with the overuse of

antacids and other poisonous drugs. real gerd would involve some sort of

blockage of the esophagus

also look into the pitta pacifying diet in ayurveda

[Guest guest]

> I have terrible heartburn and acid is constantly coming up my pipe. My

> stomach always feels acidic, and I don't know what to eat to keep this

> in check, why it's happening, or if it can be cured. Any suggestions?

> I've been told I have a weak cardiac sphincter, can that be

> strengthened, and would that help? Am I in danger of getting ulcers?

> Has been suggested that stress is major cause.

By referring to the correct trerm, hypochlorhydria, you find that low

stomach acid, not high, causes reflux.

regards,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

do a google search on h. pylori, a bacteria associated with ulcers,

gerd, acid reflex, et al.

> > I have terrible heartburn and acid is constantly coming up my

pipe.

> > My stomach always feels acidic, and I don't know what to eat to

keep

> > this in check, why it's happening, or if it can be cured. Any

> > suggestions? I've been told I have a weak cardiac sphincter, can

> > that be strengthened, and would that help? Am I in danger of

getting

> > ulcers? Has been suggested that stress is major cause.

>

> From my files:

>

> " Upper Gastrointestinal Symptom Relief

>

> 100% safe and effective symptom relief, within 3 weeks, for cost of

> about $10.

>

> Hiatus Hernia (also known as Gastro-Esophageal Reflux Disorder or

GERD)

[Guest guest]

I had a hiatal hernia at the time of surgery and Dr. R put some

staples in it. I do very occasionally have a problem with reflux.

If I have it more than occasionally, i.e. more than a couple of times

a year and within a few weeks or so of each other, it tells me I have

a problem. I too discussed this with Dr. R and with his staff and

they suggested the H. pylori treatment. I have done the treatment

twice in four years and it has helped both times. I do occasionally

have plain old ordinary " heartburn " and if that is " chronic " I take

Prilosec OTC for a couple of weeks and that seems to stop the

problem. Listen to Dr. R - he has never steered me wrong.

Best of luck,

in GA

MGB 10/04/00

> Hi everyone,

>

> I talked to Dr. R about episodes of acid reflux I have been

> experiencing and he advised me to see my doctor for treatment for

> presumed h. pylori.

>

> I would certainly never contradict Dr. R. I was hoping that

someone

> on this board might have had a similar experience and tell me what

> the outcome was?

>

> Unlike the usual symptoms of h.p. I don't have any pain, the acid

> reflux gets worse when I eat and is occasionally accompanied by gas

> [up and down].

>

> I have had a hiatal hernia that was diagnosed years before MGB. Is

> it possible for it to survive the procedure? It flares up now and

> then and is generally controlled by diet and antiacids.

>

> My family doctor is on vacation until Tues so unless I want to

put

> myself at the mercy of a walk-in clinic doc [which I don't] I'm

kinda

> stuck waiting.

>

> I'll appreciate all advice and suggestions.

>

> Thanks,

> Teri

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for replying. I'm just a little torn about whether I should

wait for my PCP or go to the clinic. As of right now I don't really

know what treatment CLOS recommends so I could give the clinic doctor

the information. Perhaps I'll try calling Penny (again) and see if I

can reach her.

Thanks again,

Teri

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I talked to Dr. R about episodes of acid reflux I have been

> > experiencing and he advised me to see my doctor for treatment for

> > presumed h. pylori.

> >

> > I would certainly never contradict Dr. R. I was hoping that

> someone

> > on this board might have had a similar experience and tell me

what

> > the outcome was?

> >

> > Unlike the usual symptoms of h.p. I don't have any pain, the acid

> > reflux gets worse when I eat and is occasionally accompanied by

gas

> > [up and down].

> >

> > I have had a hiatal hernia that was diagnosed years before MGB.

Is

> > it possible for it to survive the procedure? It flares up now

and

> > then and is generally controlled by diet and antiacids.

> >

> > My family doctor is on vacation until Tues so unless I want to

> put

> > myself at the mercy of a walk-in clinic doc [which I don't] I'm

> kinda

> > stuck waiting.

> >

> > I'll appreciate all advice and suggestions.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Teri

[Guest guest]

Both times I have taken the Prevpak which is a 14 day treatment for

H. pylori - it is Prevacid plus two antibiotics. It is not cheap so

I hope your insurance pays!

in GA

MGB 10/04/00

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I talked to Dr. R about episodes of acid reflux I have been

> > > experiencing and he advised me to see my doctor for treatment

for

> > > presumed h. pylori.

> > >

> > > I would certainly never contradict Dr. R. I was hoping that

> > someone

> > > on this board might have had a similar experience and tell me

> what

> > > the outcome was?

> > >

> > > Unlike the usual symptoms of h.p. I don't have any pain, the

acid

> > > reflux gets worse when I eat and is occasionally accompanied by

> gas

> > > [up and down].

> > >

> > > I have had a hiatal hernia that was diagnosed years before

MGB.

> Is

> > > it possible for it to survive the procedure? It flares up now

> and

> > > then and is generally controlled by diet and antiacids.

> > >

> > > My family doctor is on vacation until Tues so unless I want

to

> > put

> > > myself at the mercy of a walk-in clinic doc [which I don't] I'm

> > kinda

> > > stuck waiting.

> > >

> > > I'll appreciate all advice and suggestions.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Teri

[Guest guest]

I though about trying apple cider vinegar. After all, I have it in my

pantry already. Then I realized that I would not be able to tell if it

was doing anything for me or not. Since I don't get the very obvious

acid reflux symptoms it would take way too long to tell if apple cider

vinegar was helping me or not. Probably the only way to tell would be

to go back for another look through the laryngoscope. How does anyone

really know for sure, though, if apple cider vinegar is helpful for

acid reflux or not?

Best regards,

Celeste

Michele Deradune wrote:

> Celeste, I can see that what you did was closer to getting rid of

the cause

> of the problem, and that's why it worked for you. However for those who

> aren't getting rid of the problem, I have heard of a number of

people who

> have been helped by using the apple cider vinegar. Just because it

wasn't

> what you did doesn't mean it doesn't work.

>

[Guest guest]

most of you folk who are studying the acid alkaline influences on your body may

not have heard that hyperventillation is a condition called

alkalosis........poisoning from being too alkaline too fast...caused by too much

oxygen(what you need the most) at once. I retreat to my old position that many

problems would be solved by sufficient oxygen.

Dave

[Guest guest]

Celeste, you might be interested in checking out Bragg's books. He was

the first health practitioner that I know of to prescribe the apple cider

vinegar -- and for more things than just acid reflux. When someone like

that writes about it and says it has met with success, then all we can know

is that it has worked for other people. If you ever cheat on your diet and

eat what usually causes the acid reflux, why not be sure to use a

tablespoon of the a.c. vinegar on your salad during the meal? Couldn't

hurt. (By the way, definitely no other kind of vinegar works -- the

other vinegars are more acetic acid whereas the a.c. vinegar is maleic

acid. At least, that is how it was explained in one book that I can

actually remember some of the words.)

At 12:40 AM 9/23/2005 +0000, you wrote:

>I though about trying apple cider vinegar. After all, I have it in my

>pantry already. Then I realized that I would not be able to tell if it

>was doing anything for me or not. Since I don't get the very obvious

>acid reflux symptoms it would take way too long to tell if apple cider

>vinegar was helping me or not. Probably the only way to tell would be

>to go back for another look through the laryngoscope. How does anyone

>really know for sure, though, if apple cider vinegar is helpful for

>acid reflux or not?

>

>Best regards,

>Celeste

>

>Michele Deradune wrote:

> > Celeste, I can see that what you did was closer to getting rid of

>the cause

> > of the problem, and that's why it worked for you. However for those who

> > aren't getting rid of the problem, I have heard of a number of

>people who

> > have been helped by using the apple cider vinegar. Just because it

>wasn't

> > what you did doesn't mean it doesn't work.

> >

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>circumstances should any information published here be considered a

>substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner

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[Guest guest]

Your body seeks more oxygen......under deep breathing you go from acid to

alkaline and your blood pulls oxygen from your brain. It is like a brain stroke

when you hypervintillate. Yet it is sort of a reverse effect, like eatin too

much sugar. Your body needs the oxygen and over reacts, but,,,,note the

alkalosis.............we pay all this money to alkalize because it absorbs

oxygen and helps prevent cancer ,......yet deep breathing does it......\your

world improvement friend,

dave

[Guest guest]

I can remember from way back hearing about vinegar and honey healing tonic, but

I can not remember anyone telling me why ...ever.

[Guest guest]

This is what two different medical consultants told me because I'm

having difficulty

with proteins. (hydrochloric acid insufficiency & enzyme deficiency)

Incidentally, one told me as a passing comment that apple cider vinegar

increased (spurred)

pancreatic enzymes. My question is that I seem to gain weight (possibly

water/salt?) with the enzymes.

Can't find evidence in google of such a reaction to enzymes. Any

hypothesis about that?

I am also hypo thyroid.... and that alone can cause water/salt

retention. Drives me nuts.

Bill Kingsbury wrote:

>I have read many times in the past 20 years that acid

>reflux is caused by hypochloridia -- insufficient

>hydrochloric acid production, resulting in incomplete

>digestion and a misbehaving esophageal sphincter.

>

>This means reducing (neutralizing) acid is the WORST

>thing to do. Not implying that a quick cure is

>necessarily likely -- but it is certainly possible.

>

>If taking Betaine HCl with a meal doesn't make the

>situation worse, chances are you are chronically

>deficient. This is common, and increases with age.

>

>I always take 2,000 mg Betaine HCl with a protein meal

>(start low and work up !), and have no acid " symptoms " .

>

>One example, quoted from a quick " Google " :

>

>

> " ...a book by , MD called _Why Stomach Acid is Good For You_ :-)

>

>He shows that even people with symptoms of acid reflux really have too LITTLE

hydrochloric acid in the stomach. When stomach acid is adequate, acid is

prevented from refluxing up into the esophagus by a properly-working esophageal

sphincter. But when stomach acid is low, the sphincter works improperly and

even a small amount of acid getting up into the esophagus is irritating.

>

>Then people think they have too MUCH acid, so they take antacids, which only

exacerbates the situation and creates a vicious cycle.

>

>The reason low HCl seems to be a function of age is mostly because the foods

people are eating are interfering with HCl production, and it eventually takes

its toll. "

>

>continues...

>

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circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute

for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner

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[Guest guest]

You guys are saying Trudeau is right. Good .......then he is not defaming

alternative medicine on this point.

[Guest guest]

I agree. Optimize the thyroid to most stringent standards

(TSH under 2.0, fT3 and fT4 in the middle to upper part of reference

range).

Optimize other hormones bioidentially

may do a lot for water retention situation as well.

Be glad you're digesting your food rather than not.

Undigested proteins contribute to a lot of problems down the line

that are worse than weight.

Carol

> >

> >>I have read many times in the past 20 years that acid

> >>reflux is caused by hypochloridia -- insufficient

> >>hydrochloric acid production, resulting in incomplete

> >>digestion and a misbehaving esophageal sphincter.

> >>

> >>This means reducing (neutralizing) acid is the WORST

> >>thing to do. Not implying that a quick cure is

> >>necessarily likely -- but it is certainly possible.

> >>

> >>If taking Betaine HCl with a meal doesn't make the

> >>situation worse, chances are you are chronically

> >>deficient. This is common, and increases with age.

> >>

> >>I always take 2,000 mg Betaine HCl with a protein meal

> >>(start low and work up !), and have no acid " symptoms " .

> >>

> >>One example, quoted from a quick " Google " :

> >>

> >>

> >> " ...a book by , MD called _Why Stomach Acid is

Good For You_ :-)

> >>

> >>He shows that even people with symptoms of acid reflux really

have too LITTLE hydrochloric acid in the stomach. When stomach acid

is adequate, acid is prevented from refluxing up into the esophagus

by a properly-working esophageal sphincter. But when stomach acid

is low, the sphincter works improperly and even a small amount of

acid getting up into the esophagus is irritating.

> >>

> >>Then people think they have too MUCH acid, so they take

antacids, which only exacerbates the situation and creates a vicious

cycle.

> >>

> >>The reason low HCl seems to be a function of age is mostly

because the foods people are eating are interfering with HCl

production, and it eventually takes its toll. "

> >>

> >>continues...

> >>

> >>http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?

noframes;read=64060

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >