acid reflux

[Guest guest]

Michele Deradune wrote:

> I'm so sorry, Irene.

Thanks Michele - I appreciate the friendly return to our posts, and the

generous apology. I am also having a particularly stressful day.

Let's call it water under the bridge and look forward okay?

With thanks,

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

I've experienced acid reflux from lemon juice, so I don't agree with

you. The other think I don't like about lemon is that it's hard on

tooth enamel.

Best regards,

Celeste

Irene de Villiers wrote:

> Lemon does not cause irritation tp type O - nor grapefruit. Orange

does,

> it's too sugary. Sugar is a nsaty stuff.

>

> Celeste wrote:

> > As will lemon (or any other citrus).

[Guest guest]

I don't think there's anything contrary about it. Akali-based

digestion doesn't occur in the stomach. The stomach is always an

acidic environment in a living human being.

Best regards,

Celeste

Irene de Villiers wrote:

> On the contrary - acid is used to digest protein and alkali is used to

> digest plants.

>

> Celeste wrote:

> > I don't think there is any such thing as alkali excess when there is

> > too little HCl being produced. The stomach is still an acid

> > environment. It never goes alkali.

[Guest guest]

I would think it would be pretty easy for a doctor to distinguish

between acid reflux and bile (alkali) reflux. There would be other

symptoms with bile reflux. Also, the damage would appear different

upon visual inspection by laryngoscope. Bile is also pretty easier to

recognize visually.

The pyloric valve would have to be damaged by duodenal ulcer or

stomach cancer or surgery in order to allow bile reflux to occur, so

it is not very common. A person could have both bile reflux and acid

reflux and that compicates treatment, but usually not diagnosis.

Best regards,

Celeste

Bill Kingsbury wrote:

> Another reason why acid-blockers could be the exact opposite of what

is required.

>

> Do MDs ever test the pH of the " reflux juices " from " acid " reflux

(GERD) patients -- to determine acidity, or alkalinity ?

>

> Or, do MDs automatically prescribe acid blockers -- in all cases ?

>

[Guest guest]

Alkali won't back up into the stomach from the small intestine. The

pyloric valve is a one-way valve and prevents the backup of bile into

the stomach. Food and bile (which is alkali) combine in the duodenum

on their way into the small intestine.

Only a major problem such as duodenal ulcer, stomach cancer, or

gastric bypass surgery would cause the pyloric valve to fail. So a

person would already have bigger problems preceding the occurrence of

bile reflux. It is a pretty serious form of gastritis. There are

definitive diagnostic methods to test for it.

Best regards,

Celeste

Bill Kingsbury wrote:

>

> If there were to be " alkali excess " in the stomach (and

> not caused by swallowing something strongly alkali) then

> it must have backed up from the small intestine -- (due

> to " gas " pressure ?) -- from where " the alkali " could,

> in theory, even continue to backup into the esophagus(?).

[Guest guest]

Do you know about small gastric ulcers that aren't caused by H.

Pylori?....e.g.how to treat them.

Re: Acid reflux

Alkali won't back up into the stomach from the small intestine. The

pyloric valve is a one-way valve and prevents the backup of bile into

the stomach. Food and bile (which is alkali) combine in the duodenum

on their way into the small intestine.

Only a major problem such as duodenal ulcer, stomach cancer, or

gastric bypass surgery would cause the pyloric valve to fail. So a

person would already have bigger problems preceding the occurrence of

bile reflux. It is a pretty serious form of gastritis. There are

definitive diagnostic methods to test for it.

Best regards,

Celeste

Bill Kingsbury wrote:

>

> If there were to be " alkali excess " in the stomach (and

> not caused by swallowing something strongly alkali) then

> it must have backed up from the small intestine -- (due

> to " gas " pressure ?) -- from where " the alkali " could,

> in theory, even continue to backup into the esophagus(?).

Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no

circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute

for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner

[Guest guest]

Do you like lime any better?

a1thighmaster wrote:

>I've experienced acid reflux from lemon juice, so I don't agree with

>you. The other think I don't like about lemon is that it's hard on

>tooth enamel.

>

>

[Guest guest]

a1thighmaster wrote:

> I've experienced acid reflux from lemon juice,

Celeste,

For the approach according to blood type to work, you have to be 100%

compliant and as you mentioned earlier, you are not. Also individuals

vary of course and there would be no point eating something that

specifically disagrees with you. For example avocado is generally

beneficial to O nonsecretors of which I am one - but it disagrees with

me so it's not a choice I make from the O *options* that exist.

However when it comes to salad dressing - lemon juice is about the only

O compatible choice I know of instead of vinegar.

I had several things that caused me acid reflux when I was not eating an

O-compliant way. After a week of compliance, ALL those things that are O

compatible that were previously on my menu and not too great, are now

easily handled.

In fact a lot more came right. I was using a lot of dairy and *thought*

I needed it to keep reflux under control. Well I was wrong as they all

predicted on the O list:-)) But I kicked worse than a mule at the time:-)

However I did have to become O-compliant first before it all came right

rather like a puzzle with all the pieces finally falling into place.

They ALL have to link.

So I can quite understand lemon juice may not work for you in a

non-O-complaint environment.

It took me a week on compliant diet to see a very real improvement.

Now I know better than to mess with it. I have been complaint long

enough to have made a major step forward in health - and I can now

occasionally eat cheese or something non-compliant. I know just how

much/little I can afford to do however - and I did have to be totally

compliant a good long while to develop that improved status.

> so I don't agree with

> you. The other think I don't like about lemon is that it's hard on

> tooth enamel.

Acetic acid (vinegar) is pH 2.4 to 3.4, same as apples.

Lemon juice is pH 2.3, not significantly stronger.

Nobody is suggesting sipping lemon juice all day? I use it with oil for

salad dressing.

Just brush your teeth with baking soda after acid meals and you will be

fine:-)

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Bill Kingsbury wrote:

> At 02:23 PM 9/27/2005, Bill Kingsbury wrote:

>

>>If there were to be " alkali excess " in the stomach (and

>>not caused by swallowing something strongly alkali) then

>>it must have backed up from the small intestine -- (due

>>to " gas " pressure ?) -- from where " the alkali " could,

>>in theory, even continue to backup into the esophagus(?).

Yes - it's done this in cats with problems and in myself and my son for

example.

Also I should have pointed out that digestion occurs in the intestinal

system not used " stomach " as a catch-all for where we digest food on the

acid/alkali digestion discussion. Sloppy on my part.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Isn't it possible to take too much Betaine HCL with protein? Would that

be a problem? How do you know whether you've taken enough or not enough?

Digestive enyzmes seem to help me. I don't know if I might overdo them.

Thank you in advance.

Bill Kingsbury wrote:

>I always take 2,000 mg Betaine HCl with a protein meal

>(start low and work up !), and have no acid " symptoms " .

>

[Guest guest]

Yes. In a truly hyperacid situation betaine HCl would be

contraindicated. It would cause more acidity and you might not even be

able to tell. As I never had hearburn I was unable to discern that I

had an acid reflux problem until I had the laryngoscopy.

Best regards,

Celeste

Apricot85 wrote:

> Isn't it possible to take too much Betaine HCL with protein? Would that

> be a problem? How do you know whether you've taken enough or not

enough?

> Digestive enyzmes seem to help me. I don't know if I might overdo

them.

> Thank you in advance.

>

> Bill Kingsbury wrote:

>

> >I always take 2,000 mg Betaine HCl with a protein meal

> >(start low and work up !), and have no acid " symptoms " .

> >

[Guest guest]

a1thighmaster wrote:

> Since Bill's hypothesis is not correct, I believe Irene is mistaken

> about this.

You believe - but extensive medical testing shows otherwise :-))

Also if you think about it, it's not a big deal to vomit up what's in

the intestines - it's not like the valves at either end of the stomach

are particularly guaranteed as one-way.

Ask any cat tossing a hairball:-))

....Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

As I had already stated in message #4478, you'd have to have some

major stomach or duodenal problems for the pyloric valve to become

two-way. Do you have anything to substantiate Bill's hypothesis? Or

your claims? Or even that cat hairballs come from their intestines? In

any case, though, a cat's digestive system could be somewhat different

than ours.

Best regards,

Celeste

Irene de Villiers wrote:

> You believe - but extensive medical testing shows otherwise :-))

> Also if you think about it, it's not a big deal to vomit up what's in

> the intestines - it's not like the valves at either end of the stomach

> are particularly guaranteed as one-way.

> Ask any cat tossing a hairball:-))

>

> Celeste wrote:

> > Since Bill's hypothesis is not correct, I believe Irene is mistaken

> > about this.

[Guest guest]

a1thighmaster wrote:

> As I had already stated in message #4478, you'd have to have some

> major stomach or duodenal problems for the pyloric valve to become

> two-way.

Correct. It happens quite often.

> Do you have anything to substantiate Bill's hypothesis? Or

> your claims?

As I stated already - medical records from myself and my son are examples.

> Or even that cat hairballs come from their intestines?

Gotta grin at that!! Why do you think they are the shape of the

intestines they come from :-))

Do you not have a cat?

> any case, though, a cat's digestive system could be somewhat different

> than ours.

Physically it is no different except for having a shorter intestinal

length - as a long one is needed for plant digestion - and their lower

jaws do not move sideways as they do not masticate. The rest is the same

structurally.

As to what they can digest, that is more carnivore than omnivore, but

the mechanisms are the same except that there is no amylase in the

saliva for starch and no cellulase in the system for plant cell walls.

Plant food needs to be cooked, predigested (in prey) or powdered due to

the lacking enzymes; and meat needs to be extremely fresh-killed or

there are components missing that we make and cats do not such as taurine.

For the purposes of this discussion however there is no relevant difference.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I now take hydrochloric acid supplements with every meal and never

have a problem any more.

I was taught to titrate it, meaning to keep increasing our dose og

H/acid until it sort of backs up on you, and then you know howmuchis

too much and you back down one form there.

If you don't have enough H/acid you can not properly assimilate

supplements among other things

~Inga

On Sep 25, 2005, at 9:51 PM, Bill Kingsbury wrote:

>

> At 12:52 PM 9/25/2005, dp wrote:

> >

> >My wife had acid reflux several years ago and the dr. prescribed

> >prilosec and it worked pretty good. She bought some over the

> >counter prilosec but it doesn't seem to be working. Anything

> >natural that she could take?

>

>

> Caution:  The symptoms of over- and under-production of stomach

> acid are virtually identical.  Most doctors are easily fooled. 

> Failing to correct low stomach acid can cause serious health

> problems.  A simple test:

>

[Guest guest]

Is it possible to have reflux with low stomach acid? I have " gunk " in my throat

on my vocal chords....ENT say " reflux " , gastro says " no " ....I can't tell if it's

dripping down or coming up.....puddles when I lean back or lie down, making me

cough or choke trying to clear my throat.

Re: Acid reflux

Yes. In a truly hyperacid situation betaine HCl would be

contraindicated. It would cause more acidity and you might not even be

able to tell. As I never had hearburn I was unable to discern that I

had an acid reflux problem until I had the laryngoscopy.

Best regards,

Celeste

Apricot85 wrote:

> Isn't it possible to take too much Betaine HCL with protein? Would that

> be a problem? How do you know whether you've taken enough or not

enough?

> Digestive enyzmes seem to help me. I don't know if I might overdo

them.

> Thank you in advance.

>

> Bill Kingsbury wrote:

>

> >I always take 2,000 mg Betaine HCl with a protein meal

> >(start low and work up !), and have no acid " symptoms " .

> >

Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no

circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute

for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner

[Guest guest]

If you have a hiatal hernia you could have reflux without having

hyperacidity. See

http://www.clevelandclinic.org/health/health-info/docs/1800/1808.asp?index=8098

for more info. From what you're describing, it does sound like you

could be having reflux. Have you had a laryngoscopy?

Best regards,

Celeste

Idelle Port wrote:

> Is it possible to have reflux with low stomach acid? I have " gunk "

in my throat on my vocal chords....ENT say " reflux " , gastro says

" no " ....I can't tell if it's dripping down or coming up.....puddles

when I lean back or lie down, making me cough or choke trying to clear

my throat.

>

[Guest guest]

Did the ENT use a laryngoscope to look down your throat? A

laryngoscope is a tubular microscope that's threaded up your nose and

down your throat.

Best regards,

Celeste

Idelle Port wrote:

> An ENT also looked down my throat with no sedation and said he saw

what I meant about " gunk " on my vocal cords...was that laryngoscopy?

>

[Guest guest]

It sounds like it might happen quite often to you and your son since

you both have major stomach or duonenal problems. In the general

population, though, it is quite uncommon.

Best regards,

Celeste

Irene de Villiers wrote:

> Correct. It happens quite often.

>

> Celeste wrote:

> > As I had already stated in message #4478, you'd have to have some

> > major stomach or duodenal problems for the pyloric valve to become

> > two-way.

[Guest guest]

An ENT did this today...said it's reflux in the back of my throat...but gave me

an Rx for Allegra for an allergy component....so, now what do I do about the

reflux......maybe slippery elm 1st..?.

Re: Acid reflux

Did the ENT use a laryngoscope to look down your throat? A

laryngoscope is a tubular microscope that's threaded up your nose and

down your throat.

Best regards,

Celeste

Idelle Port wrote:

> An ENT also looked down my throat with no sedation and said he saw

what I meant about " gunk " on my vocal cords...was that laryngoscopy?

>

Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no

circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute

for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner

[Guest guest]

BTW there is a new pressure sensor of similar configuration and application.

Detects swallowing pressure along the tube at 50 points from mouth to

stomach. Checks for smooth progression of swallowing contractions.

Re: Acid reflux

> Did the ENT use a laryngoscope to look down your throat? A

> laryngoscope is a tubular microscope that's threaded up your nose and

> down your throat.

>

> Best regards,

> Celeste

>

> Idelle Port wrote:

> > An ENT also looked down my throat with no sedation and said he saw

> what I meant about " gunk " on my vocal cords...was that laryngoscopy?

[Guest guest]

....not since an endoscopic exam showed small gastric ulcers in March...

Re: Acid reflux

>

>

> Did the ENT use a laryngoscope to look down your throat? A

> laryngoscope is a tubular microscope that's threaded up your nose

> and

> down your throat.

>

> Best regards,

> Celeste

>

> Idelle Port wrote:

> > An ENT also looked down my throat with no sedation and said he saw

> what I meant about " gunk " on my vocal cords...was that laryngoscopy?

> >

>

>

>

>

> Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but

> under no circumstances should any information published here be

> considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified

> physician. -the owner

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I always thought that most (not all), but most acid reflux and

heartburn type of problmemes were actually due to a LACK of

hydrochloric acid in the stomach. OSunds funny, I know, but its true

Have you tried taking extra H/C and digestive enzymes?

~Inga

On Sep 30, 2005, at 4:35 PM, Idelle Port wrote:

> An ENT did this today...said it's reflux in the back of my

> throat...but gave me an Rx for Allegra for an allergy component....so,

> now what do I do about the reflux......maybe slippery elm 1st..?.

>   Re: Acid reflux

>

>

>   Did the ENT use a laryngoscope to look down your throat? A

>   laryngoscope is a tubular microscope that's threaded up your nose

> and

>   down your throat.

>

>   Best regards,

>   Celeste

>

>   Idelle Port wrote:

>   > An ENT also looked down my throat with no sedation and said he saw

>   what I meant about " gunk " on my vocal cords...was that laryngoscopy?

>   >

>

>

>

>

>   Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but

> under no circumstances should any information published here be

> considered a substitute for personal medical advice from a qualified

> physician. -the owner

>

>

>

>  

[Guest guest]

Rather than assuming it;s from a hiatal hernia, is it worth checking with the

pressure sensor? Also, besides prilosex, which I'm loathe to use (I alreasdy

have low stomach acid(, what can I do to improve the reflux? I've heard that

there is a chiropractor maneuver, but surgery? No. ....no....

Re: Acid reflux

> Did the ENT use a laryngoscope to look down your throat? A

> laryngoscope is a tubular microscope that's threaded up your nose and

> down your throat.

>

> Best regards,

> Celeste

>

> Idelle Port wrote:

> > An ENT also looked down my throat with no sedation and said he saw

> what I meant about " gunk " on my vocal cords...was that laryngoscopy?

Note: This forum is for discussion of health related subjects but under no

circumstances should any information published here be considered a substitute

for personal medical advice from a qualified physician. -the owner

[Guest guest]

That could be a dangerous assumption. It's better to get a doctor to

correctly diagnose what's happening first. Adding HCl to a hyperacid

stomach could send a person to the emergency room.

Check the group's message archives for a recent previous discussion of

this.

Best regards,

Celeste

Ingrid Mager wrote:

> I always thought that most (not all), but most acid reflux and

> heartburn type of problmemes were actually due to a LACK of

> hydrochloric acid in the stomach. OSunds funny, I know, but its true

> Have you tried taking extra H/C and digestive enzymes?