acid reflux

October 1, 2005

How about trying something a little more natural first? Try avoiding

acid-causing foods/beverages (tomato, tomato sauces, citrus, hot

peppers, fried foods, fatty meats, cream, oils, caffeine, chocolate,

wine, beer, soda). Also try to avoid eating for 2 to 3 hours before

bed (or before lying down for any reason).

Best regards,

Celeste

Idelle Port wrote:

> An ENT did this today...said it's reflux in the back of my

throat...but gave me an Rx for Allegra for an allergy component....so,

now what do I do about the reflux......maybe slippery elm 1st..?.

>

October 10, 2005

I am suspicious that hiatals can be caused by safety lap belts upon impact.

Re: Acid reflux

>

> > Did the ENT use a laryngoscope to look down your throat? A

> > laryngoscope is a tubular microscope that's threaded up your nose and

> > down your throat.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Celeste

> >

> > Idelle Port wrote:

> > > An ENT also looked down my throat with no sedation and said he saw

> > what I meant about " gunk " on my vocal cords...was that laryngoscopy?

March 29, 2006

Bern, welcome to the group. Sorry to hear that you are having problems. Have you talked to your GP about maybe switching medications? I know when I used to have really bad heart burn I would take a swig of Milk of Magnesia. Try eating some ice cream that might help too. I always keep some at hand for me. That does not work for others in the group but it is a thought for you.

Again welcome to our group.

in Suffolk

March 30, 2006

Bern, did you have fundoplication with your myotomy? What kind

(Heller, Dor or Toupet)?

Have you been checked for a hiatal hernia?

Do you find that it helps to sleep with your head elevated and to

sleep on your left side instead of your right side?

in Lancaster, PA

acid reflux

> hello all!

>

> i'm new to this group. i've been up for about 5 hours with

> mind

> numbing and painful acid reflux. i had a myotomy over two

> years ago

> and it's helped tremendously with my swallowing. the only draw

> back is

> the acid reflux associated with the procedure. does anyone

> else out

> there have this problem? i'm on a daily dose of nexium 40mg

> and i've

> tried taking pepto and maylox to help take the edge off the

> acid reflux

> pain with no success. the only thing that helps is throwing up

> but

> that's a bit difficult when your esophogus doesn't work. this

> happens

> about once or twice a month and it's very painful and

> exhausting, as it

> usually comes on at midnight and won't stop till after 4 or 5

> am. any

> suggestions or home remedies would help. i try and eat dinner

> early

> and stay away from spicey and high fat. i hope someone out

> there can

> help.

>

> thanks,

> bern in el paso, texas

>

March 30, 2006

Dear Bern,

Good to meet you. Do you know that we have a sister website on the subject of GERD where all the heartburn experts will be?

Hope you get some good advice, love from Ann in England xx>> hello all!> > i'm new to this group. i've been up for about 5 hours with mind > numbing and painful acid reflux. i had a myotomy over two years ago > and it's helped tremendously with my swallowing. the only draw back is > the acid reflux associated with the procedure. does anyone else out > there have this problem? i'm on a daily dose of nexium 40mg and i've > tried taking pepto and maylox to help take the edge off the acid reflux > pain with no success. the only thing that helps is throwing up but > that's a bit difficult when your esophogus doesn't work. this happens > about once or twice a month and it's very painful and exhausting, as it > usually comes on at midnight and won't stop till after 4 or 5 am. any > suggestions or home remedies would help. i try and eat dinner early > and stay away from spicey and high fat. i hope someone out there can > help.> > thanks,> bern in el paso, texas>

March 30, 2006

thanks for the info susan. i think i've sleep sitting up for at

least three years. sometimes it works and others it doesn't. i

actually get better results if i sleep on my right side. as soon as

i turn left i can feel the bile seep into my throat. as for the the

fundolopication, i think i had a heller with partial anterior. i

don't really know what the difference between the dor, heller or

toupet are. i'll try the ice cream suggested, though.

thanks,

bern

>

> Bern, did you have fundoplication with your myotomy? What kind

> (Heller, Dor or Toupet)?

>

> Have you been checked for a hiatal hernia?

>

> Do you find that it helps to sleep with your head elevated and to

> sleep on your left side instead of your right side?

>

> in Lancaster, PA

>

> acid reflux

>

> > hello all!

> >

> > i'm new to this group. i've been up for about 5 hours with

> > mind

> > numbing and painful acid reflux. i had a myotomy over two

> > years ago

> > and it's helped tremendously with my swallowing. the only draw

> > back is

> > the acid reflux associated with the procedure. does anyone

> > else out

> > there have this problem? i'm on a daily dose of nexium 40mg

> > and i've

> > tried taking pepto and maylox to help take the edge off the

> > acid reflux

> > pain with no success. the only thing that helps is throwing up

> > but

> > that's a bit difficult when your esophogus doesn't work. this

> > happens

> > about once or twice a month and it's very painful and

> > exhausting, as it

> > usually comes on at midnight and won't stop till after 4 or 5

> > am. any

> > suggestions or home remedies would help. i try and eat dinner

> > early

> > and stay away from spicey and high fat. i hope someone out

> > there can

> > help.

> >

> > thanks,

> > bern in el paso, texas

> >

>

March 30, 2006

Do you sleep on raised or wedge pillow if not you might look into it. I use

a wedge pillow that raises my upper body about 14 " , I use a regular pillow

on top of the wedgy.

Ed

> hello all!

>

> i'm new to this group. i've been up for about 5 hours with mind

> numbing and painful acid reflux. i had a myotomy over two years ago

> and it's helped tremendously with my swallowing. the only draw back is

> the acid reflux associated with the procedure. does anyone else out

> there have this problem? i'm on a daily dose of nexium 40mg and i've

> tried taking pepto and maylox to help take the edge off the acid reflux

> pain with no success. the only thing that helps is throwing up but

> that's a bit difficult when your esophogus doesn't work. this happens

> about once or twice a month and it's very painful and exhausting, as it

> usually comes on at midnight and won't stop till after 4 or 5 am. any

> suggestions or home remedies would help. i try and eat dinner early

> and stay away from spicey and high fat. i hope someone out there can

> help.

>

> thanks,

> bern in el paso, texas

>

March 30, 2006

>

> hello all!

it might not be acid reflux. It could be spasm which is one of the

achalasia symptom.

Quincia

>

> i'm new to this group. i've been up for about 5 hours with mind

> numbing and painful acid reflux. i had a myotomy over two years

ago

> and it's helped tremendously with my swallowing. the only draw

back is

> the acid reflux associated with the procedure. does anyone else

out

> there have this problem? i'm on a daily dose of nexium 40mg and

i've

> tried taking pepto and maylox to help take the edge off the acid

reflux

> pain with no success. the only thing that helps is throwing up but

> that's a bit difficult when your esophogus doesn't work. this

happens

> about once or twice a month and it's very painful and exhausting,

as it

> usually comes on at midnight and won't stop till after 4 or 5 am.

any

> suggestions or home remedies would help. i try and eat dinner

early

> and stay away from spicey and high fat. i hope someone out there

can

> help.

>

> thanks,

> bern in el paso, texas

>

March 31, 2006

Quincia, thanks for your previous emails. When I used

to have acid reflux, I used 1 alka seltzer tablet in a

small amount of water. It sometimes helped very

quickly and still occassionally helps with spasms.

Margaret

--- qqqqqq_94118 <qqqqqq_94118@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > hello all!

> it might not be acid reflux. It could be spasm which

> is one of the

> achalasia symptom.

>

> Quincia

>

> >

> > i'm new to this group. i've been up for about 5

> hours with mind

> > numbing and painful acid reflux. i had a myotomy

> over two years

> ago

> > and it's helped tremendously with my swallowing.

> the only draw

> back is

> > the acid reflux associated with the procedure.

> does anyone else

> out

> > there have this problem? i'm on a daily dose of

> nexium 40mg and

> i've

> > tried taking pepto and maylox to help take the

> edge off the acid

> reflux

> > pain with no success. the only thing that helps

> is throwing up but

> > that's a bit difficult when your esophogus doesn't

> work. this

> happens

> > about once or twice a month and it's very painful

> and exhausting,

> as it

> > usually comes on at midnight and won't stop till

> after 4 or 5 am.

> any

> > suggestions or home remedies would help. i try

> and eat dinner

> early

> > and stay away from spicey and high fat. i hope

> someone out there

> can

> > help.

> >

> > thanks,

> > bern in el paso, texas

> >

>

June 16, 2006

a small amount of aloe vera juice with a dropper will probably get rid of it in a couple days. It can be flavored with dilute juice to make it more palatable - or have them buy a flavored kind. Ann Goldeen, Astoria

acid reflux

I have a three month old patient that has been given RX meds for acid reflux. He has been on it for one night and has responded very well, but the mother doesn't want him on meds long term. Any suggestions for a safer alternative? (other than adjusting which has also helped)

thanks

Kollar, DCAllied Chiropractic400 E. Main St., Ste. 180Hillsboro, OR 97123(503) 681-8125www.hillsborochiropractor.com

June 18, 2006

,

As the patient's medical physician should have informed the mom, it is not likely that the child will require a proton pump inhibitor for the long term (encourage more communication). Acid reflux is actually quite common during the first year of life and is caused by the immaturity of lower esophageal sphincter which, when mature, should prevent reflux as it was designed to do.

A 24 hour pH probe is the most common way of determining acid reflux in children and may be used to determine the proper time to disontinue the medicine. Uppper endoscopy can also be helpful if bleeding from erosion or ulceration is suspected. For general knowledge, one of the most common symptoms of acid reflux in children is agressive extension of the neck and thoracic spine in attempts of stretching the esophagus and relieving irritation at the gastoesophageal junction.

We often think of GERD as a benign condition that causes a lot of discomfort but that is not always the case. You may remember that chronic irritation from acid reflux can change the typical squamous epithelium into thicker columnar cells (columnar metaplasia) - also called Barrett's esophagus. Untreated Barretts can lead to adenocarcinoma of the esophagus which is a very serious problem. While cancers at the GE junction are most commonly adenoCA, cancers of the mid-esophagus is most commonly sqamous cellCA. Both are typicall slow growing cancers but are quite serious.

Evidence based treatment suggests that the child should continue taking the medicine prescribed and that this should prevent further damage and control symptoms. I cannot comment on the safety of injested aloe vera or spinal manipulation for GERD in a three month old child expect to say that they are untested and have unknown safety profiles.

Best of luck!

W. , DC, MD

PGY-1 Cascades East Family Medicine Residency

Klamath Falls, OR

On 6/16/06, dkollardc@... <dkollardc@...> wrote:

I have a three month old patient that has been given RX meds for acid reflux. He has been on it for one night and has responded very well, but the mother doesn't want him on meds long term. Any suggestions for a safer alternative? (other than adjusting which has also helped)

thanks

Kollar, DCAllied Chiropractic400 E. Main St., Ste. 180Hillsboro, OR 97123(503) 681-8125

www.hillsborochiropractor.com

June 19, 2006

how much safer can you get than balancing the pelvis and adjusting the stomach?

.....maybe getting him off of dairy which can trigger the stomach glitch...not to mention constipatioin, ear aches, sinusitis and colds, amongst other nasties?Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

From: dkollardc@...To: Oregondcs Subject: acid refluxDate: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:09:33 EDT

I have a three month old patient that has been given RX meds for acid reflux. He has been on it for one night and has responded very well, but the mother doesn't want him on meds long term. Any suggestions for a safer alternative? (other than adjusting which has also helped)

thanks

Kollar, DCAllied Chiropractic400 E. Main St., Ste. 180Hillsboro, OR 97123(503) 681-8125www.hillsborochiropractor.com Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail

June 24, 2006

In a message dated 6/18/2006 8:54:25 PM US Mountain Standard Time, bradandange@... writes:

Evidence based treatment suggests that the child should continue taking the medicine prescribed and that this should prevent further damage and control symptoms. I cannot comment on the safety of injested aloe vera or spinal manipulation for GERD in a three month old child expect to say that they are untested and have unknown safety profiles.

Addressing patients 3 months of age will certainly cloud any consensus on "safety" and efficacy. And as so little money is available for research on chiropractic in general, (let alone for chiropractic on subpopulations like infants, or conditions like GERD) I feel safe to assume that saying it they are virtual unknowns in this specific condition in this specific age group is a sure thing. But Aloe and chiropractic, in general (and even with infants) are not completely unknown or untested.

I could find no peer reviewed studies on aloe and GERD, perhaps I need to change my search parameters? As far as FDA approved safety for Aloe, it is not considered safe and effective as a laxative. From the same people that gave us family favorites like Rezulin, Tequin, PPA, Vioxx, Baycol (and hundreds of other drugs that have been recalled due to patient deaths and disability); the FDA declares : "The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is issuing a final rule stating that the stimulant laxative ingredients aloe ( in over-the- counter (OTC) drug products are not generally recognized as safe and effective or are misbranded." ( link : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=12001972 & query_hl=7 & itool=pubmed_docsum )

I searched to see if there were any reported deaths from Aloe and could find nothing specific except one study which claimed there had been deaths (with no specifics listed), but in the same search found numerous studies indicating that Aloe reduces age related deaths and disease, and helps overcome cancers from apoptosis - all published in peer reviewed journals (it is my understanding that soon they will no longer publish peer reviewed studies on paper in journals edited by human editors, but instead inscribed in stone etched by the finger of God) (link : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search & DB=pubmed )

However in human studies published in peer reviewed journals it appears safe and effective for ulcerative colitis : "Oral aloe vera taken for 4 weeks produced a clinical response more often than placebo; it also reduced the histological disease activity and appeared to be safe." (link : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=15043514 & query_hl=7 & itool=pubmed_docsum )

Similar studies on rats showed aloe to be safe and effective in accelerating the healing of gastric ulcers : "Aloe vera treatment can reduce leukocyte adherence and TNF-alpha level, elevate IL-10 level and promote gastric ulcer healing." ( link http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=16610053 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_docsum )

Some peer reviewed studies indicate possible toxicities with aloe:

"Ingestion of Aloe vera is associated with diarrhea, electrolyte imbalance, kidney dysfunction, and conventional drug interactions; episodes of contact dermatitis, erythema, and phototoxicity have been reported from topical applications." (link :

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=16690538 & query_hl=3 & itool=pubmed_docsum )

Is chiropractic safe or efficacious for infants? Chiropractic (CMM - chiropractic manual manipulation) has shown to be of benefit to one 7 year old with scoliosis. The childs scoliosis improved, "with the most rapid improvement occurring during two periods when CMM was employed."

(link : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=15457757 & query_hl=13 & itool=pubmed_docsum )

Of course that is "anecdotal". A larger study on infantile colic, involving 86 infants who completed the study , found " Chiropractic spinal manipulation is no more effective than placebo in the treatment of infantile colic." (link : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=11159288 & query_hl=13 & itool=pubmed_docsum ) So while it did not prove to be effective for infantile colic, none of these infants suffered harm apparently. It seems to be safe on a slightly larger scale.

In almost a quarter of infants with KISS syndrome who received spinal manipulation, they experienced episodes of apnea. (link : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=15819137 & query_hl=23 & itool=pubmed_docsum )

Infants with KISS syndrome who received spinal manipulation and were 3 months of age or younger often experienced severe bradycardia, while those 7 months or older only experienceds mild bradycardia (link : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=12175961 & query_hl=23 & itool=pubmed_docsum ) almost half the children studied experienced such heart rate changes with some manipulation of the high cervical region.

The use of proton pumop inhibitors (PPI's) has not shown neoplastic changes in humans although carcinoid tumors have appeared in rats ( links : http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0689/is_9_53/ai_n6207450 and http://c1.zedo.com/jsc/c1/ff2.html?n=162;c=1505/1500/1;s=687;d=16;w=720;h=300;t=UndertoneNetworks.com ).

Speaking of untested, I could find only 2 peer reviewed papers discussing pediatric patients and PPI's (again maybe I ought to alter my search parameters). One paper said that studies should be done research whether the drugs are actually safe for children (link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=14685071 & query_hl=20 & itool=pubmed_docsum ). The other said the drugs seemed effective, but of course nothing long term has shown safety (link : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=14685071 & query_hl=20 & itool=pubmed_docsum )

I could find no study that had been done specifically on spinal adjustments and GERD in infants. I doubt we will ever find anyone with the pocketbook who would want to fund such a study since treating GERD in infants with aloe or chiropractic is just not lucrative enough. Dr. and others who may need to present papers from literature searches, feel free to glom my findings.

Anglen

June 25, 2006

wrote: " Acid reflux is actually quite common during the first

year of life and is caused by the immaturity of lower esophageal

sphincter which, when mature, should prevent reflux as it was designed

to do. "

, I would like to know if Gerd (which apparently is due to poor

design in the growing baby according to your statement) is also common

in 100% breastfed babies, or if the statement you made applies to our

typical population of mostly fat, mostly formula-fed babies.

> >

> > I have a three month old patient that has been given RX meds

for acid

> > reflux. He has been on it for one night and has responded very

well, but

> > the mother doesn't want him on meds long term. Any suggestions for

a safer

> > alternative? (other than adjusting which has also helped)

> > thanks

> >

> > Kollar, DC

> > Allied Chiropractic

> > 400 E. Main St., Ste. 180

> > Hillsboro, OR 97123

> > (503) 681-8125

> > www.hillsborochiropractor.com

> >

>

June 25, 2006

,

Interesting question. Unfortunately, I'm not a pediatric gastroenterologist and don't have as much experience with this as a specialist in that field would have. However, just from my limited experience, I will tell you I have seen both infants solely formula fed and those breast fed have problems with GERD about equally. However, I haven't seen enough to provide you with a fair judgement on that matter.

Just to make things clear, I didn't state that the problem is in the DESIGN, rather in the development and maturation of the smooth muscle of the LES.

Run with me here as I explore an extrapolation of several known concepts into a hypothesis:

What we do know is that insufficient LES pressure is often the culprit for GERD in infants and adults. We know that pregnant women experience GERD quite commonly and this has been traced to a rising estrogen level beginning early in pregnancy causing the LES relaxation. We do know that it is considered normal for a female infant early in life to experience vaginal bleeding due to the withdrawal of maternal estrogen to which she was exposes in utero. Could the relaxation of the LES in infants with GERD be related to the excessive exposure of estrogen in utero? Possibly low LES tone is simply a normal variant which corrects upon further maturation of the smooth muscle (much like other developmental variants)?

I don't know that the research has been done to determine the answers to these questions. I would say that I agree, however, that breast milk provides the best nutrition available for an infant whether it protects them from GERD or not.

Regards,

W. , D.C., M.D.

Cascades East Family Practice Residency

Merle West Medical Center

Klamath Falls, Oregon

On 6/25/06, spbkchiro97132 <spbkchiro@...> wrote:

wrote: " Acid reflux is actually quite common during the firstyear of life and is caused by the immaturity of lower esophagealsphincter which, when mature, should prevent reflux as it was designed

to do. " , I would like to know if Gerd (which apparently is due to poordesign in the growing baby according to your statement) is also commonin 100% breastfed babies, or if the statement you made applies to our

typical population of mostly fat, mostly formula-fed babies. > >> > I have a three month old patient that has been given RX meds

for acid> > reflux. He has been on it for one night and has responded verywell, but> > the mother doesn't want him on meds long term. Any suggestions fora safer> > alternative? (other than adjusting which has also helped)

> > thanks> >> > Kollar, DC> > Allied Chiropractic> > 400 E. Main St., Ste. 180> > Hillsboro, OR 97123> > (503) 681-8125> > www.hillsborochirop

ractor.com> >> > > >>

June 26, 2006

And, at the risk of repitition, the dairy proteins increase the tendency due to the difficulty the immature metabolism of an infant has in digesting these puppies ..... breast feeding helps but, if the mother is consuming dairy, they will pass to the infant.

Another piece to consider here is whether the baby was a c-section baby. Vaginal birthing initiates the neural excitment during the cranial molding, not experienced by a c-section baby.

Much yet to be discovered. Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

From: "spbkchiro97132" <spbkchiro@...> Subject: Re: acid refluxDate: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:54:14 -0000 wrote: "Acid reflux is actually quite common during the firstyear of life and is caused by the immaturity of lower esophagealsphincter which, when mature, should prevent reflux as it was designedto do.", I would like to know if Gerd (which apparently is due to poordesign in the growing baby according to your statement) is also commonin 100% breastfed babies, or if the statement you made applies to ourtypical population of mostly fat, mostly formula-fed babies. > >> > I have a three month old patient that has been given RX medsfor acid> > reflux. He has been on it for one night and has responded verywell, but> > the mother doesn't want him on meds long term. Any suggestions fora safer> > alternative? (other than adjusting which has also helped)> > thanks> >> > Kollar, DC> > Allied Chiropractic> > 400 E. Main St., Ste. 180> > Hillsboro, OR 97123> > (503) 681-8125> > www.hillsborochiropractor.com> >> >> >>

May 19, 2007

I’ve heard this too. Or something like this, the nerves at

the Les are not working properly. Thus resulting in what is classically

called as deferred pain. (If this is the pain that Debra wrote about on

the web page)

Venable

From:

achalasia [mailto:achalasia ] On Behalf Of Isabella

Arnold

Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 1:48 AM

achalasia

Subject: Acid reflux

Hi everyone,

About the acids I'ld like to mention what I learned at the

German meeting. There has been research as to the pain acid reflux causes in

non-achalasians and in achalasians. They injected acid in the E. of different

people and achalasians seem to feel less to no pain at all, which was totally

different from the pain sensation of non-achalasians. For as far as I

understood this test was done in the US. I'll try to find some more

documentation on it.

Isabella

notan ostrich <notan_ostrich@...> wrote:

wrote:

> .... I have been on PPI's ... so I can comfortably rule out

> acid. .. not an immediate spasm from a

> single bite of chocolate.

There is another possibility. Spasms can be cause by irritation which

can take some time to happen. I didn't include that in my other post

because I found it hard to believe that chocolate could be irritating

enough and it seems like other items would have made the list before

it.. I have tried a little experiment. I put a spoonful of cooking cocoa

in my mouth and let it stay there. It seems mild but there is some

effect from it. Mint and coffee are known to irritate. Coffee has acid

in it. Black can have a pH of 5. Mint has menthol which can be very

irritating. There are other things though that should be on the list.

Onions, peppers, lemons, alcohol and things like that. Any experience

with the others?

As to the idea that something that reduces LES pressure should not cause

a spasm, one of the tests for achalasia, which is not normally done, is

to use a certain substance that simulates both the nerves that cause the

LES to relax and those that cause it to contract, but in normal subjects

it simulates relaxation more than contraction. In normal subjects that

kind of substance will cause the pressure in the LES to reduce. In

patients with achalasia it will cause the LES pressure to increase. The

reason it has the opposite reaction on achalasia patients is because the

nerves for relaxation are not working so the response is greater from

the contraction nerves. I suppose it is possible that such a situation

could cause the LES to spasm with greater pressure, enough to cause

pain, even though in normal people it would reduce LES pressure. I don't

know if any of those foods act on both sets of nerves.

notan

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Be aware that there are two types of acid reflux, one from not enough

acid, then some from too much acid.

the vinegar should help immediatley if it was from not enough

acid. Have you tried milk?

>

January 31, 2008

Be aware that there are two types of acid reflux, one from not enough

acid, then some from too much acid.

the vinegar should help immediatley if it was from not enough

acid. Have you tried milk?

>

January 31, 2008

,

thats good to know. yeah, it helps for a short while and then it seems to

come straight on back.

Cheers

Caitilin

On Jan 31, 2008 2:16 PM, arisugawa <heavymetalqueen82@...> wrote:

> Be aware that there are two types of acid reflux, one from not enough

> acid, then some from too much acid.

> the vinegar should help immediatley if it was from not enough

> acid. Have you tried milk?

>

> >

>

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January 31, 2008

,

thats good to know. yeah, it helps for a short while and then it seems to

come straight on back.

Cheers

Caitilin

On Jan 31, 2008 2:16 PM, arisugawa <heavymetalqueen82@...> wrote:

> Be aware that there are two types of acid reflux, one from not enough

> acid, then some from too much acid.

> the vinegar should help immediatley if it was from not enough

> acid. Have you tried milk?

>

> >

>

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January 31, 2008

> Some while ago several of you advised me to add apple

> cider vinegar to my diet as a way of helping deal with

> acid reflux.

I know I'm going to take some flack for this, but all claims

that apple cider vinegar helps treat acid reflux are based

entirely on hearsay and have never been supported

empirically.

> how long is it supposed to take before it starts helping?

Any observed results there may be for apple cider vinegar

helping acid reflux symptoms are most likely derived from

the placebo effect and nothing more. So I would submit that

if you've been doing this for some time and noticing no

improvement, you're not going to.

January 31, 2008

> Some while ago several of you advised me to add apple

> cider vinegar to my diet as a way of helping deal with

> acid reflux.

I know I'm going to take some flack for this, but all claims

that apple cider vinegar helps treat acid reflux are based

entirely on hearsay and have never been supported

empirically.

> how long is it supposed to take before it starts helping?

Any observed results there may be for apple cider vinegar

helping acid reflux symptoms are most likely derived from

the placebo effect and nothing more. So I would submit that

if you've been doing this for some time and noticing no

improvement, you're not going to.

January 31, 2008

>

> > Some while ago several of you advised me to add apple

> > cider vinegar to my diet as a way of helping deal with

> > acid reflux.

>

> I know I'm going to take some flack for this, but all claims

> that apple cider vinegar helps treat acid reflux are based

> entirely on hearsay and have never been supported

> empirically.

>

> > how long is it supposed to take before it starts helping?

>

> Any observed results there may be for apple cider vinegar

> helping acid reflux symptoms are most likely derived from

> the placebo effect and nothing more. So I would submit that

> if you've been doing this for some time and noticing no

> improvement, you're not going to.

>

Hi everyone~~~~Let me jump in here a moment and tell you that I had

severe " heartburn " which is what it was called before BIG PHARMA

renamed it Acid Reflux so that they could immediately seize another

opportunity to create more diseases which of course require THEIR

very expensive solutions...........I take 2 tablespoons of Braggs

apple cider vinegar with 1/8 of teaspoon of baking soda, with a

little bit of honey to take the edge off of the taste, 2 or 3 times a

day and have not had heartburn since.........i KNOW that is no

placebo.........it does work!!!!!

Kombucha forever~~~~~Lonnie from the snow drenched Northeast corner

of Oregon

January 31, 2008