acid reflux

[Guest guest]

>

> hi,

>

> Some while ago several of you advised me to add apple cider vinegar

to my

> diet as a way of helping deal with acid reflux.

>

> I've been drinking between four and six tablespoons a day diluted

in my

> drinking water for about three weeks (looked mighty odd in belgium

on hte

> business trip too!) .

>

> how long is it supposed to take before it starts helping?

>

> Caitilin

>

> --

> > Caitilin.........I use Braggs~~Organic~~Raw-Unfiltered~~~Apple

Cider Vinegar with the Mother..........2 tbs plus 1/8 th of tbs of

baking soda with a little honey to soften the taste.........2 to 3

times a day before meals and I haven't had heartburn or sour stomach

since..........no placebo~~~ACVbo.........BTW that combination

started working for me immediately, so give it a whirl and see what

happens~~~~~~~~~~Lonnie

>

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>

[Guest guest]

>

> hi,

>

> Some while ago several of you advised me to add apple cider vinegar

to my

> diet as a way of helping deal with acid reflux.

>

> I've been drinking between four and six tablespoons a day diluted

in my

> drinking water for about three weeks (looked mighty odd in belgium

on hte

> business trip too!) .

>

> how long is it supposed to take before it starts helping?

>

> Caitilin

>

> --

> > Caitilin.........I use Braggs~~Organic~~Raw-Unfiltered~~~Apple

Cider Vinegar with the Mother..........2 tbs plus 1/8 th of tbs of

baking soda with a little honey to soften the taste.........2 to 3

times a day before meals and I haven't had heartburn or sour stomach

since..........no placebo~~~ACVbo.........BTW that combination

started working for me immediately, so give it a whirl and see what

happens~~~~~~~~~~Lonnie

>

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>

[Guest guest]

> i KNOW that is no

> placebo.........it does work!!!!!

With all due respect, by definition, none of us can know whether or

not our individual results with any medication are due to the placebo

effect or not. That's the purpose of testing a treatment on many

different people.

[Guest guest]

> i KNOW that is no

> placebo.........it does work!!!!!

With all due respect, by definition, none of us can know whether or

not our individual results with any medication are due to the placebo

effect or not. That's the purpose of testing a treatment on many

different people.

[Guest guest]

You're right Lonnie...just because there have been no " clinical trials "

doesn't mean it isn't true.

After all...where are the clinical trials to prove the efficacy of our

Kombucha!

Yet we know without the FDA and Big Pharma telling us that it does, indeed,

improve many dis-eased states as attested to by so many right here!

Gayle

>

>

>> i KNOW that is no

>> placebo.........it does work!!!!!

>

[Guest guest]

You're right Lonnie...just because there have been no " clinical trials "

doesn't mean it isn't true.

After all...where are the clinical trials to prove the efficacy of our

Kombucha!

Yet we know without the FDA and Big Pharma telling us that it does, indeed,

improve many dis-eased states as attested to by so many right here!

Gayle

>

>

>> i KNOW that is no

>> placebo.........it does work!!!!!

>

[Guest guest]

> You're right Lonnie...just because there have been no " clinical trials "

> doesn't mean it isn't true.

Just because there have been no clinical trials doesn't mean it _is_

true either. That's the unfortunate attitude many among is in the

alternative health world have, though.

[Guest guest]

> You're right Lonnie...just because there have been no " clinical trials "

> doesn't mean it isn't true.

Just because there have been no clinical trials doesn't mean it _is_

true either. That's the unfortunate attitude many among is in the

alternative health world have, though.

[Guest guest]

<<<I take 2 tablespoons of Braggs apple cider vinegar with 1/8 of

teaspoon of baking soda, with a little bit of honey to take the edge

off of the taste, 2 or 3 times a day and have not had heartburn

since...>>>>

SERIOUSLY????? HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DOING THIS, DAILY???

> >

> > > Some while ago several of you advised me to add apple

> > > cider vinegar to my diet as a way of helping deal with

> > > acid reflux.

> >

> > I know I'm going to take some flack for this, but all claims

> > that apple cider vinegar helps treat acid reflux are based

> > entirely on hearsay and have never been supported

> > empirically.

> >

> > > how long is it supposed to take before it starts helping?

> >

> > Any observed results there may be for apple cider vinegar

> > helping acid reflux symptoms are most likely derived from

> > the placebo effect and nothing more. So I would submit that

> > if you've been doing this for some time and noticing no

> > improvement, you're not going to.

> >

> Hi everyone~~~~Let me jump in here a moment and tell you that I

had

> severe " heartburn " which is what it was called before BIG PHARMA

> renamed it Acid Reflux so that they could immediately seize another

> opportunity to create more diseases which of course require THEIR

> very expensive solutions...........I take 2 tablespoons of Braggs

> apple cider vinegar with 1/8 of teaspoon of baking soda, with a

> little bit of honey to take the edge off of the taste, 2 or 3 times

a

> day and have not had heartburn since.........i KNOW that is no

> placebo.........it does work!!!!!

>

> Kombucha forever~~~~~Lonnie from the snow drenched Northeast corner

> of Oregon

>

[Guest guest]

Before you try all these suggestions, have you had this diagnosed by a

doctor? I would do this before I self medicate myself. Sunny

>

> hi,

>

> Some while ago several of you advised me to add apple cider vinegar

to my

> diet as a way of helping deal with acid reflux.

>

> I've been drinking between four and six tablespoons a day diluted in my

> drinking water for about three weeks (looked mighty odd in belgium

on hte

> business trip too!) .

>

> how long is it supposed to take before it starts helping?

>

> Caitilin

>

> --

> livejournal: http://wildchildcait.livejournal.com

>

> St drove the snakes out of Ireland. Caitilin drove them back!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah I have, and had an endoscopy done. Thats why i'm on the nexium, which

is what started the original debate.

Endoscopy showed no cancers, was tested for heliobacter pylori and negative,

no hernia, no nothing bar inflammation showing that yes, acid reflux is

happening. Doctor prescribed nexium, I've in the mean time been hunting

for other ways to help too.

Liquorice is a good one as is meadowsweet, marshmallow root less so,

banana's I don't like and milk soothes in the short run not in the long. I

was eating about a pack of rennies a day. Kombucha and water kefir have not

helped.

GP says its my weight - but i've lost 10 kg already and 4 inches around the

stomach and no improvement.

GP's diagnosis is too much acid production hence prescribing nexium.

Caitilin

Who believes in a judicious combination between modern medicine and

herbalism.

On Jan 31, 2008 11:12 PM, Sunny <suneebeme2001@...> wrote:

> Before you try all these suggestions, have you had this diagnosed by a

> doctor? I would do this before I self medicate myself. Sunny

>

>

>

> >

> > hi,

> >

> > Some while ago several of you advised me to add apple cider vinegar

> to my

> > diet as a way of helping deal with acid reflux.

> >

> > I've been drinking between four and six tablespoons a day diluted in my

> > drinking water for about three weeks (looked mighty odd in belgium

> on hte

> > business trip too!) .

> >

> > how long is it supposed to take before it starts helping?

> >

> > Caitilin

> >

> > --

> > livejournal: http://wildchildcait.livejournal.com

> >

> > St drove the snakes out of Ireland. Caitilin drove them back!

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Okay, good. Now you can try other things. Dr. Whittaker said if you

stop eating at least 3 hours before bedtime, that that food will not

push up into your esophagus along with the acid. So if you go to bed

at 10:00 P.M., you would need to stop eating at 7:00 P.M.

Just a thought. By the way, you would also lose more weight that way too.

Sunny

>

> Yeah I have, and had an endoscopy done. Thats why i'm on the nexium,

which

> is what started the original debate.

>

> Endoscopy showed no cancers, was tested for heliobacter pylori and

negative,

> no hernia, no nothing bar inflammation showing that yes, acid reflux is

> happening. Doctor prescribed nexium, I've in the mean time been

hunting

> for other ways to help too.

>

> Liquorice is a good one as is meadowsweet, marshmallow root less so,

> banana's I don't like and milk soothes in the short run not in the

long. I

> was eating about a pack of rennies a day. Kombucha and water kefir

have not

> helped.

>

> GP says its my weight - but i've lost 10 kg already and 4 inches

around the

> stomach and no improvement.

>

> GP's diagnosis is too much acid production hence prescribing nexium.

>

> Caitilin

> Who believes in a judicious combination between modern medicine and

> herbalism.

>

[Guest guest]

Not really. Any pH reducing medication or supplement can impair Reyataz absorption. Some people take antiacods 2-4 hours after Reyataz and report no viral load spikes. You may want to consider off switching to Invirase or Lexiva. I have reservations about Lexiva since it can decrease your chances of responding to Prezista later.

Regards, VergelDirectorProgram for Wellness Restorationpowerusa dot org

In a message dated 4/9/2008 10:07:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Wmbunney@... writes:

I have been having problems with acid reflux and know that we can not take many acid reducers because it interfers with the meds we take. I'm taking norvir, reyataz, truvada. Is there any safe over the counter or prescription medication that can help with this on going issue. Tums no longer seem to do the trick.Thanks AllJerryPlanning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides.

[Guest guest]

Not really. Any pH reducing medication or supplement can impair Reyataz absorption. Some people take antiacods 2-4 hours after Reyataz and report no viral load spikes. You may want to consider off switching to Invirase or Lexiva. I have reservations about Lexiva since it can decrease your chances of responding to Prezista later.

Regards, VergelDirectorProgram for Wellness Restorationpowerusa dot org

In a message dated 4/9/2008 10:07:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Wmbunney@... writes:

I have been having problems with acid reflux and know that we can not take many acid reducers because it interfers with the meds we take. I'm taking norvir, reyataz, truvada. Is there any safe over the counter or prescription medication that can help with this on going issue. Tums no longer seem to do the trick.Thanks AllJerryPlanning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides.

[Guest guest]

"I have been having problems with acid reflux and know that we can not take many acid reducers because it interfers with the meds we take. I'm taking norvir, reyataz, truvada. Is there any safe over the counter or prescription medication that can help with this on going issue. Tums no longer seem to do the trick."Jerry,I'm glad you're familiar with this issue. "Acid reducers" are a big problem for people taking Atanazavir (Reyataz).As this has been going on for a while, you need to know what's causing the issue.I would discuss this situation with your doctor. JB

[Guest guest]

When I was on Reyataz, my doctor was negligent and didn't realize that my prescribed antacid was making my Reyataz 80% less effective for more than a year..maybe almost two years. CVS pharmacy finally questioned the combo...they called the company that makes Reyataz and they said the safest thing to take, hours apart from the Reyataz was Ranitidine. I eventually became resistant to Reyataz, but I probably would still be on it if not for my doctor screwing up.

"I have been having problems with acid reflux and know that we can not

take many acid reducers because it interfers with the meds we take. I'm

taking norvir, reyataz, truvada. Is there any safe over the counter or

prescription medication that can help with this on going issue. Tums no

longer seem to do the trick."

Jerry,

I'm glad you're familiar with this issue. "Acid reducers" are a big problem for people taking Atanazavir (Reyataz).

As this has been going on for a while, you need to know what's causing the issue.

I would discuss this situation with your doctor.

JB

Re:acid reflux

"I have been having problems with acid reflux and know that we can not

take many acid reducers because it interfers with the meds we take. I'm

taking norvir, reyataz, truvada. Is there any safe over the counter or

prescription medication that can help with this on going issue. Tums no

longer seem to do the trick."

Jerry,

I'm glad you're familiar with this issue. "Acid reducers" are a big problem for people taking Atanazavir (Reyataz).

As this has been going on for a while, you need to know what's causing the issue.

I would discuss this situation with your doctor.

JB

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[Guest guest]

You (or for that matter, your doctor) shouldn't simply assume that your acid reflux is caused by over-production of stomach acid. Acid reflux should be carefully diagnosed so the cause is established. Popping antacids can actually make the situation worse in the long run, because it may well be that your problem is too little stomach acid, not too much. Reducing stomach acid can have negative consequences for digestion and bowel health (the acid is there for a reason). As people age they usually produce significantly less stomach acid, not more. Of course, you want the stomach acid to stay in the stomach, because irritating the esophagus can lead to serious problems, including esophageal cancer. The sphincter muscle that controls entry into the stomach naturally closes in response to acid production in the stomach after eating. Reducing stomach acid will dampen this response, and the sphincter will not be prompted to

close, and acid reduction will impair digestion. Certain foods can also relax the sphincter and make it prone not to close - such as chocolate, tomato sauce, cinnamon, wine, etc. You may need to avoid those foods until your condition heals and you learn what you can tolerate, if that's the underlying cause. There can be several other possible causes to consider in determining why you have acid reflux. As we age, the problem is often low stomach acid, not high stomach acid. Here's something to read about that. At any rate, find the reason for the acid reflux, don't just treat the symptoms by popping antacid pills. This is one condition where a good naturopath may provide better guidance than an MD.http://www.brendawatson.com/In-the-News/'s-News/Is-That-Antacid-Killing-You-/Original message: acid reflux Posted by: "jerry_sessa" Wmbunney@... jerry_sessa Date: Wed

Apr 9, 2008 8:06 am ((PDT))I have been having problems with acid reflux and know that we can not take many acid reducers because it interfers with the meds we take. I'm taking norvir, reyataz, truvada. Is there any safe over the counter or prescription medication that can help with this on going issue. Tums no longer seem to do the trick.Thanks AllJerry __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I went to an ear, nose and throat doctor, he put the scope up my nose and down my throat with the cam on it...I had acid burns in my throat. I have been on antacids for years, and my hiv doc had a complete list of everything I was on ..it was in his computer, on my chart, etc. He STILL didn't catch the interaction with the REYATAZ for like a couple of years lol. It took a pharmacist to catch this. And, my hiv doc, who stopped taking patients now, was one of the top in the country. I guess even the best doctors can be so busy that they can overlook something very important. WE have to be very involved in our treatment, and educate ourselves about every med we're putting into our bodies.

Re: acid reflux

You (or for that matter, your doctor) shouldn't simply assume that your acid reflux is caused by over-production of stomach acid. Acid reflux should be carefully diagnosed so the cause is established. Popping antacids can actually make the situation worse in the long run, because it may well be that your problem is too little stomach acid, not too much. Reducing stomach acid can have negative consequences for digestion and bowel health (the acid is there for a reason). As people age they usually produce significantly less stomach acid, not more. Of course, you want the stomach acid to stay in the stomach, because irritating the esophagus can lead to serious problems, including esophageal cancer. The sphincter muscle that controls entry into the stomach naturally closes in response to acid production in the stomach after eating. Reducing stomach acid will dampen this response, and the sphincter will not be prompted to close, and acid reduction will impair digestion. Certain foods can also relax the sphincter and make it prone not to close - such as chocolate, tomato sauce, cinnamon, wine, etc. You may need to avoid those foods until your condition heals and you learn what you can tolerate, if that's the underlying cause. There can be several other possible causes to consider in determining why you have acid reflux. As we age, the problem is often low stomach acid, not high stomach acid. Here's something to read about that. At any rate, find the reason for the acid reflux, don't just treat the symptoms by popping antacid pills. This is one condition where a good naturopath may provide better guidance than an MD.

http://www.brendawatson.com/In-the-News/'s-News/Is-That-Antacid-Killing-You-/

Original message: acid reflux

Posted by: "jerry_sessa" Wmbunneyaol jerry_sessa

Date: Wed Apr 9, 2008 8:06 am ((PDT))

I have been having problems with acid reflux and know that we can not

take many acid reducers because it interfers with the meds we take. I'm

taking norvir, reyataz, truvada. Is there any safe over the counter or

prescription medication that can help with this on going issue. Tums no

longer seem to do the trick.

Thanks All

Jerry

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[Guest guest]

HI. Some foods/herbs can help....apple/apple sauce

before you eat(just a couple oz.'s) a whole serving

may not be needed....it depends on your system. Ginger

like you are served in at an Asian meal or even

mint/mint leaf......I believe there are many options.

Good luck. Bart

--- jerry_sessa <Wmbunney@...> wrote:

> I have been having problems with acid reflux and

> know that we can not

> take many acid reducers because it interfers with

> the meds we take. I'm

> taking norvir, reyataz, truvada. Is there any safe

> over the counter or

> prescription medication that can help with this on

> going issue. Tums no

> longer seem to do the trick.

> Thanks All

> Jerry

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes the exact same thing happened to me. I was having all kinds of stomach problems. could not hold anything down. Had diarrhea so bad and evertime I went to my Dr. he kept telling me that it was the new meds (Kaletra). Now my Dr. was one of the best know Dr.'s here in Texas, had centers named after him, hospitals named after him, even an HIV/AIDS Wellness Center where people could get more homeopathic care for less named after him.

Well after 2 year and 25lbs of weight loss (basically I was on my death bed) I said enough was enough and went and got a second opinion. I went to see a specialist (stomach guy) and he stuck everything in every hole in my body LOL...come to find out I had some kind of intestinal colitis not even related to my HIV. I was going through an extremely hard time in my life and it was brought on by stress etc...

so my point being even your #1 Dr. can get it wrong sometimes..Never hurts to get a second opinion...or just keep looking if your not happy with your answer!! Take total control of your health and be educated!!

Good luck

lily__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

yes the exact same thing happened to me. I was having all kinds of stomach problems. could not hold anything down. Had diarrhea so bad and evertime I went to my Dr. he kept telling me that it was the new meds (Kaletra). Now my Dr. was one of the best know Dr.'s here in Texas, had centers named after him, hospitals named after him, even an HIV/AIDS Wellness Center where people could get more homeopathic care for less named after him.

Well after 2 year and 25lbs of weight loss (basically I was on my death bed) I said enough was enough and went and got a second opinion. I went to see a specialist (stomach guy) and he stuck everything in every hole in my body LOL...come to find out I had some kind of intestinal colitis not even related to my HIV. I was going through an extremely hard time in my life and it was brought on by stress etc...

so my point being even your #1 Dr. can get it wrong sometimes..Never hurts to get a second opinion...or just keep looking if your not happy with your answer!! Take total control of your health and be educated!!

Good luck

lily__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Jerry,

I have a good friend who swears by fennel seed for any kind of stomach

problems. He says he has two friends who stopped having acid reflux

entirely by taking fennel seed. I don't think it will interact with

medications. I tried it once for a stomach upset. I ate about a couple

or 3 teaspoons of seeds. I just chewed them up and swallowed them.

Kinda strong flavored but not too bad. It seemed to work just fine.

Maybe it will work for you. I hope you can find a solution that you can

live with.

Peace,

Dave

(in Albuquerque, NM)

>

> I have been having problems with acid reflux and know that we can not

> take many acid reducers because it interfers with the meds we take.

I'm

> taking norvir, reyataz, truvada. Is there any safe over the counter

or

> prescription medication that can help with this on going issue. Tums

no

> longer seem to do the trick.

> Thanks All

> Jerry

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Fennel seeds are a spice similar to anise. I find them in

bulk at the health food store and sometimes at gourmet

stores. They taste like licorish. It used a lot in Italian

cuisine. I hope you can find some where you are. Where

exactly are you? Let me know if you find any and how they

work for you. Ok? Take care

Peace,

Dave

--- 310541w <george310541@...> wrote:

> hey dave,

>

> please explain, what are fennel seeds....

>

> george

>

> Dave <biomedwaste@...> wrote:

> Hi Jerry,

> I have a good friend who swears by fennel seed for any

> kind of stomach

> problems. He says he has two friends who stopped having

> acid reflux

> entirely by taking fennel seed. I don't think it will

> interact with

> medications. I tried it once for a stomach upset. I ate

> about a couple

> or 3 teaspoons of seeds. I just chewed them up and

> swallowed them.

> Kinda strong flavored but not too bad. It seemed to work

> just fine.

> Maybe it will work for you. I hope you can find a

> solution that you can

> live with.

> Peace,

> Dave

> (in Albuquerque, NM)

>

> >

> > I have been having problems with acid reflux and know

> that we can not

> > take many acid reducers because it interfers with the

> meds we take.

> I'm

> > taking norvir, reyataz, truvada. Is there any safe over

> the counter

> or

> > prescription medication that can help with this on

> going issue. Tums

> no

> > longer seem to do the trick.

> > Thanks All

> > Jerry

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I agree with Bob about papaya, although I can't comment on the

heartburn associated with Armour as I don't take the product.

Papaya enzyme works really, really well for my family. One time I

was doubled over in pain at work (years ago) and was ready to go

home because I felt so unwell. My co worker gave me some papaya

enzyme tablets and within 30 - 45 minutes I had no pain and

continued on with my work day with no stomach complaints at all. My

daughter had a lot of problems with her digestion when she was

little and we always kept a bottle of papaya enzyme in the house.

In my experience, papaya enzyme has worked really well.

Re putting on weight when eating little. I read somewhere that the

body thinks it is being starved when you are on a diet where you eat

less food, and it tends to go into preservation mode and holds on to

its fat stores but eliminates its muscle stores. Not sure if it is

true or not, but it is something that I have read.

P

Anybody suffered from acid reflux while taking Armour? I haven't

changed my diet apart from cutting down on cheese....I'm really fed

up of having heartburn, I can't eat anything without suffering and I

wake up with it and feel really sick. I am also worried about

putting on yet more weight as when I eat little I tend to

weigh more, (weird I know but I went on a diet and put on 2 stone!!)

[Guest guest]

Hello Glynis, and yes, we do have a lot of people on the site which goes

to show the problems that people are having with this disease within the

NHS.

Sorry to hear about your acid reflux, but I wonder whether you should go

and get a barium meal done to check what might be happening inside. Do

you have any pain in the middle of your diaphragm - just below your ribs

at all. I am asking this because I suffered with this years ago and I

actually did get to the stage where I used to be sick and I had to be so

careful what I ate. It turned out to be a duodenal ulcer, which

eventually got better by taking Tagamet.

I doubt it would be the Armour, had it been, I am pretty sure you would

have got this acid reflux when you first started it. If you take your

Armour sublingually, try swallowing it for a while and see if it makes a

difference.

One good thing to take is Gaviscon which you can get at your local

chemist, but ask the pharmacist what is the best thing for you to take.

One thing though Glynis, don't put up with this, get something done now

- mine went on far too long and I lost so much weight I went down to 7st

8lbs. This was long before I was found to be hypothyroid.

Luv - Sheila

> Hi all,

> Nice to see so many new people on the site, I have been very busy so I

> haven't posted in a while.

>

> Anybody suffered from acid reflux while taking Armour? Mine started

> about 3 months - ish after I began taking Armour and I've had several

> courses of tablets and have to go for a blood test tomorrow to see if

> there is a problem. I haven't changed my diet apart from cutting down

> on cheese....

>

> No thyroid tests though, I refuse to have any more done. I had my

> bloods done when I had been on Armour for 3 months but I told the Endo

> that I would not be having any more done as I felt really fed up of

> being treated as a blood test not a person. He didn't reply.

>

> I'm really fed up of having heartburn, I can't eat anything without

> suffering and I wake up with it and feel really sick. I am also

> worried about putting on yet more weight as when I eat little I tend

to

> weigh more, (weird I know but I went on a diet and put on 2 stone!!)

>