Guest guest Posted November 23, 2000 Report Share Posted November 23, 2000 thanks very much for this - I echo Marjorie's comments. Please pass on our thanks to your secretary for this amazingly swift transcription. Ros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2000 Report Share Posted November 23, 2000 Thanks for doing this so quickly - I have a number of people who were interested so it will be good to get it out. Margaret Re: debate > > > > > I did enjoy the debate, reminded of old ideas and introduced to new ones > > > > > > It was however rather like watching ones past go before you , virtually > > > every place of emlpoyment for the last 25 years was represented ! > > > > > > Val Thurtle > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2000 Report Share Posted November 23, 2000 Thank you so much for getting this transcribed. Now I can share it with colleagues who were unable to attend. I am sorry that the Nursing Times did not make more of it this week. It deserves greater coverage. Also the bit about the reduction in Health Visitor training only merited a small paragraph. I hope that they make a bit more of it next week. Re: debate > > > > > I did enjoy the debate, reminded of old ideas and introduced to new ones > > > > > > It was however rather like watching ones past go before you , virtually > > > every place of emlpoyment for the last 25 years was represented ! > > > > > > Val Thurtle > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Hi Chuck - Ive been to the US a couple of times and do think there is a different culture and sense of humour so maybe that's it and we have to get to know you and vice versa! I think thyroids probably behave the same - but in many patients and members of TPA, we have been left too long wilthout a diagnosis - in my case about 3 years very severe but at a low level for many many years! Courtesy of the splendid work of the British Thyroid asses! Therefore we have had to try to sort ourselves out, which is where Sheila and TPA comes in. Maybe its easier to get a diagnosis in the first place in the US and easier to get alternatives like Armour and that's the difference - the docs (or as I like to say, the dics!) not the thyroids! Gill Thanks, but at least some of the reactions to my "attitude" seem to be a misunderstanding of my feeble attempts at humor, rather than any real disagreement.I do also seem to have a tendency to clobber sacred cows when attempting to answer what seems to me to be a straightforward question. I will try to lurk more, until I can see where the land mines are hidden.This could be cultural differences, but it could also be that thyroids just behave differently in the UK than they do in Kansas. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 GILL, Does the UK have class action law suits? Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Hi Chuck, You may or may not know that we had a fire here in the UK that blanketted large areas 'up north ' in radio-iodine, very similar indeed to the Hanford downwinders, and equally well 'covered up'. The Windscale Reactor Fire ~ some evidence was released fairly recently that indicates just how serious it really was and how lucky that a perceptive engineer said 'we'll put filters on the top of that chimney' ~ bu88er the time and cost. Those filters are still in place and screaming with radiaoctivity from the fire more than 50yrs ago. They don't know (have a clue) how or when they are going to remove that chimney or the radiaoctive filters at the top. When I graduated from university, that same engineer awarded my degree. My boss, when I left the place where I worked, was the last guy to build a reactor in the UK ~ Sizewell C. I have an ambivalent attitude towards the nuclear industry. Many unsuspecting individuals were affected at the time, few knew whether they contracted thyroid disease arising from that fire or from other causes, equally well concealed. The medical practices here are quasi-controlled via the NHS, but in reality, there is a large contingent input by the medical profession, of more or less 'impartial' attitude, but maybe ignorant of the facts, and it seems that thyroid disease doesn't come up the 'radar' very far in terms of knowledge or skills for the average GP; we can't complain, if we elect the people that run the government ~ and they, in turn, let us down. Efforts are being made to remedy the situation, but we have a stubborn distrust born of long experience. Our lass(es) up north may have been young/old enough to have been involuntarily peppered with radio-iodine, we don't know, she doesn't know, but we have our suspicions, as do many more after the 'candid' release of the interviews of those involved in shutting the fire down.....looking down the tubes at white hot graphite, when they should have watching the moderate temperatures associated with Wigner Energy release..... We don't know if there is an attempt (still) to deny responsibility towards those who were affected, your guess might be the same as mine.. best wishes Bob > > ... Maybe you could hold the 'debate' though?!! lol> Thanks, but at least some of the reactions to my "attitude" seem to be a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Hi Chuck Probably some of the reactions to your attitude are through a misunderstanding. I feel you may not be aware of the way your messages actually come over. The majority appear very 'challenging' and these can frighten some of the more 'fragile' within our community. We don't 'challenge' on this forum, that is not what TPA is about. We try to understand and offer what help and support we can. We do however, challenge the scientists who run the BTA with good reason. I think the subjects regarding 'Armour and Nutri Thyroid' and half-life of T3 have been discussed enough so would appreciate us all moving on. We are not here to score points, and there are many points of view regarding both of these subjects, so let us respect these and try to find answers together. As you will have already seen, TPA does not, and will not tolerate any form of bickering or downright rudeness as has been seen on the Hypothyroid group. I dropped by that group the other day and left a simple message for those members who needed support from a group that didn't tolerate such bickering to come and join us, and you have taken up that invitation. Sadly, last night, I saw messages posted by some members that had a tone never seen on this particular forum before, and I hope will not see again. We should, first and foremost, be working together, without anybody trying to push their ideas above others as being the one and only road to follow. Tolerance and understanding of the actual science and anecdotal evidence would help us all. Humour between the USA and the UK is different, I too have been over to America twice, and found the difference to be quite strong. Hopefully, we will get used to yours, and you will get used to ours - but one thing - please let us all keep our humour and let us all enjoy each other. As Oprah Winfrey said, Biology is the least of what makes someone a mother" Sheila Thanks, but at least some of the reactions to my "attitude" seem to be a misunderstanding of my feeble attempts at humor, rather than any real disagreement.I do also seem to have a tendency to clobber sacred cows when attempting to answer what seems to me to be a straightforward question. I will try to lurk more, until I can see where the land mines are hidden.This could be cultural differences, but it could also be that thyroids just behave differently in the UK than they do in Kansas. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: 29/08/2008 18:12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Hi Bob - interesting that it was only me, is now hypothyroid and so is , our daughter - and yes, we lived just 7 miles from Windscale! Luv - Sheila Our lass(es) up north may have been young/old enough to have been involuntarily peppered with radio-iodine, we don't know, she doesn't know, but we have our suspicions, as do many more after the 'candid' release of the interviews of those involved in shutting the fire down.....looking down the tubes at white hot graphite, when they should have watching the moderate temperatures associated with Wigner Energy release..... We don't know if there is an attempt (still) to deny responsibility towards those who were affected, your guess might be the same as mine.. .. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: 29/08/2008 18:12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 I'm not Gill, but not that I am aware, though hopefully, somebody will come along and tell me that yes, we do. We are looking into this sort of thing though Chuck and what actual action we can take. Sheila GILL,Does the UK have class action law suits?Chuck No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: 29/08/2008 18:12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Hi Sheila The possibility that it may be a genetic tendency isn't helped by the fact that you can't now disentangle the contributing factors to the incidence of the disease in your family. The obvious case of Derbyshire neck pre-dates the Windscale Fire and is clearly environmental in origin, as with many other localities across the globe (Swiss/Southern European Alps for one, Finland another, Keshan in China etc). I imagine that there are intermittent releases of both iodine and selenium from volcanic activity, eg the Candian Shield region. Likewise, there are super-volcanic regions elsewhere ~ Lake Toba in Indonesia being the one suspected of nearly extinguishing human existence about 70-80,000y back. So, our genome is supposed to have originated from something like 7 females, if the 'theory' holds up, on genomic diversity. best wishes Bob too close for comfort! best change the name... > Hi Bob - interesting that it was only me, is now hypothyroid and so is , our daughter - and yes, we lived just 7 miles from Windscale! Luv - Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 dear sheila; HEAR HEAR ! regards jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Hi Chuck - Sheila is more knowledgable about the legal side of things and is looking into this as she says. Gill I'm not Gill, but not that I am aware, though hopefully, somebody will come along and tell me that yes, we do. We are looking into this sort of thing though Chuck and what actual action we can take. Does the UK have class action law suits? No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: 29/08/2008 18:12 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: 21/12/07 13:17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Bob, You wrote: > > ... So, our genome is supposed to have originated from something like 7 > females, if the 'theory' holds up, on genomic diversity. That's based on mitochondria. There have been lots of nuclear mutations since then. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Bee, What is your take on the Mercola-Cousens Sunday debate? Lois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 > > Bee, > What is your take on the Mercola-Cousens Sunday debate? +++Hi Lois, I wasn't interested in it because Dr. Cousens is vegan, and Mercola certainly gets a lot of things wrong. A friend of mine listened to it and reported a number of things to me. Mercola himself drinks juices, which we know aren't good, since juicing does not break down the cell walls (fibers) in plant foods, so the nutrients in such foods are still locked behind cellulose cell walls. And also fibers are unhealthy. All the best, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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