Re: High vitamins dosage on the long run??

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> Hi bee, I was recently wondering something about the high B & C vitamins

amounts on the program and I thought asking you. Like pointed out, it

would normally take a lot of liver in the diet to meet the amount of B vitamins

you recommend. I don't see how I could get 4,000 mg of vitamin C on a normal

diet either. There is no doubt that I experience great support from them during

the curing of my Candida overgrowth and I can see how you recommend that much

supplementation. I can see how vitamins A, D & E would be that high on a high

fat nutrients rich diet too. But when I think of the water soluble vitamins,

even in the maintenance amounts after being cured, there is no way a naturally

healthy body is getting that much through diet without supplementation. What's

your thought on this Bee?

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> My worries are not that it may hurt the body. That I am pretty sure it

doesn't. My worries are more about dependency or habit being developed on the

long run. Why would we need that much, even in the maintenance amounts, if in a

naturally healthy diet we would not supply that much? Is is because of the lack

of quality of today's food? Are we sicker than our ancestors so we need to catch

up? Could it be detrimental to start relying on that much supplementation for

proper function of the body in the long run?

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> I am not trying to reject the program, be sure of this. It is just my honest

worries that I have and wanted to ask what do you think. If you have references

or literature about theses questions, please let me know.

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> Thanks a lot Bee!

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@@ Hi Fred,

Can you please include your name at the end of your messages. Thanks in

advance.

Bee will probably respond to you tomorrow. However, Fred you at the end of your

message sort of answered your own questions. Your assumptions are correct.

The reason we need to utilize supplements in conjunction with a healthy diet is

because the quality of our soils worldwide are different from ages ago (

ancestors ). The soil worldwide is deficient / fluctuates in nutrients. Thus,

this effects vegetables and animals nutritional value, throughout the food

chain, which sources their food ultimately from the soil.

See maps of different / fluctuating soil quality and their reasons around the

globe here.

http://soils.usda.gov/use/worldsoils/mapindex/

Moreover, yes, due to the above, increased environmental toxins, lack of

exercise and stress .. we aren't as healthy as our ancestors in general. And yes

we need to address these issues in order to catch up in a manner of speaking.

Thus healthy lifestyle modifications, diet, supplements ..etc. This, I would

think needs no validation, since it seems logical.

Supplementation has been used for decades i.e Vit. D, Vit. c ..etc, so I have

seen No reason for concerns insofar. Furthermore, as I've

explained/demonstrated we live in an imperfect world, where we have to learn to

adapt. Here some links.

Cod Liver Oil advert 1890-1900 :

http://www.hatads.org.uk/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=5886

Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) used as far back as 1940's plus info:

http://www.whale.to/a/about_objections.html

No Deaths from Vitamins, Minerals, Amino Acids or Herbs :

http://www.whale.to/a/no_deaths_from_vitamins.html

As the above article profoundly states, " If nutritional supplements are

allegedly so " dangerous, " as the FDA and news media so often claim, then where

are the bodies? "

So if we do not use supplements to balance out the nutrient deficient food, how

else can we guarantee our daily nutritional needs? In all probability, most of

us cannot. Thus, again the imperfect world of today.

Lastly, when people are unwell they've higher needs for nutrient / vitamins.

That's where again, the necessity of supplementation comes in.

Best in Health,

Ed

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> Hi bee, I was recently wondering something about the high B & C vitamins

amounts on the program and I thought asking you. Like pointed out, it

would normally take a lot of liver in the diet to meet the amount of B vitamins

you recommend. I don't see how I could get 4,000 mg of vitamin C on a normal

diet either. There is no doubt that I experience great support from them during

the curing of my Candida overgrowth and I can see how you recommend that much

supplementation. I can see how vitamins A, D & E would be that high on a high

fat nutrients rich diet too. But when I think of the water soluble vitamins,

even in the maintenance amounts after being cured, there is no way a naturally

healthy body is getting that much through diet without supplementation. What's

your thought on this Bee?

>

> My worries are not that it may hurt the body. That I am pretty sure it

doesn't. My worries are more about dependency or habit being developed on the

long run. Why would we need that much, even in the maintenance amounts, if in a

naturally healthy diet we would not supply that much? Is is because of the lack

of quality of today's food? Are we sicker than our ancestors so we need to catch

up? Could it be detrimental to start relying on that much supplementation for

proper function of the body in the long run?

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> I am not trying to reject the program, be sure of this. It is just my honest

worries that I have and wanted to ask what do you think. If you have references

or literature about theses questions, please let me know.

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> Thanks a lot Bee!

I have wondered about this also,

Even though my healing is going great: thankyou so much bee

I wonder if our bodies could become so adapt to the correct nutrients due to the

supplements

If you ever stopped taking supplementsfor an extended period of time (for

whatever reason)

Could your body react in a bad way, compared to say someone that took half the

amount of supplements.

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> Hi bee, I was recently wondering something about the high B & C vitamins

amounts on the program and I thought asking you. Like pointed out, it

would normally take a lot of liver in the diet to meet the amount of B vitamins

you recommend. I don't see how I could get 4,000 mg of vitamin C on a normal

diet either. There is no doubt that I experience great support from them during

the curing of my Candida overgrowth and I can see how you recommend that much

supplementation. I can see how vitamins A, D & E would be that high on a high

fat nutrients rich diet too. But when I think of the water soluble vitamins,

even in the maintenance amounts after being cured, there is no way a naturally

healthy body is getting that much through diet without supplementation. What's

your thought on this Bee?

+++Hi Fred. Ed gave you a very good response to your questions above. I might

add that we have to deal with a lot of toxins these days, not just in foods,

which requires more resources and energy in order to detoxify them.

> My worries are not that it may hurt the body. That I am pretty sure it

doesn't. My worries are more about dependency or habit being developed on the

long run. Why would we need that much, even in the maintenance amounts, if in a

naturally healthy diet we would not supply that much? Is is because of the lack

of quality of today's food? Are we sicker than our ancestors so we need to catch

up? Could it be detrimental to start relying on that much supplementation for

proper function of the body in the long run?

+++I still take all of the supplements I recommend on this program, but I'm also

69 years old. I take less cal/mag since I can have dairy products. I was

taking less vitamin C and recently increased it, but I've been under a lot of

stress about my Mother, and have lost 2 aunts in the last month. Vitamin C is

considered a stress vitamin along with B vitamins.

+++Ed and I don't agree on everything, and that's okay too. He wrote that we

exercise less than our ancestors but I don't agree with that. I saw a recent

documentary that our ancestors actually exerted much less physical energy than

we do today, and also that animals in the wild are fairly lazy.

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> I am not trying to reject the program, be sure of this. It is just my honest

worries that I have and wanted to ask what do you think. If you have references

or literature about theses questions, please let me know.

+++The best reference is Dr. Weston A. Price's book Nutrition and Physical

Degeneration, where he also discusses soil health.

He also writes: " We humans have the same rigid restrictions regarding food

selection as the simpler forms of life when foods are evaluated from their

chemical basis. " Chapter 25, How Mother Nature Made Us, page 464

***Note " chemical basis " since our bodies break down all foods and supplements

chemically into the forms it can utilize, IF they aren't already in the form

needed.

" Also, it is not necessary to adopt the foods of any particular racial stock,

but only to make our nutrition adequate in all its nutritive factors to the

primitive nutrition. Tooth decay is not only unnecessary, but an indication of

our divergence from Nature's fundamental laws of life and health. " Chapter 21,

Practical Application of Primitive Wisdom, page 415

Chapters 1-21 of Dr. Weston A. Price's book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration

are online:

http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/pricetoc.html

However, the online version is missing the following Chapters:

Chapter 22, A New Vitamin-Like Activator

Chapter 23, Food Is Fabricated Soil Fertility ( A. Albrecht)

Chapter 24, Fluorine in Plant and Animal Growth

Chapter 25, How Mother Nature Made Us

Chapter 26, Steps in Our Modern Degeneration

Chapter 27, Nutritional Programs for Race Regeneration

Chapter 28, Social Reforms by Education

You can buy Dr. Price's book at Amazon.com - choose the correct country:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/resource/amazon2.php

All the best, Bee

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> I have wondered about this also, Even though my healing is going great:

thankyou so much bee I wonder if our bodies could become so adapt to the

correct nutrients due to the supplements. If you ever stopped taking supplements

for an extended period of time (for whatever reason). Could your body react in a

bad way, compared to say someone that took half the amount of supplements.

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+++Hi ,

I'm glad your healing is going great!

It would be impossible for your body to react in a bad way since supplements are

the same nutrients as those in foods.

Also see my reply to Fred that I wrote this morning.

Bee

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Wow Thanks Bee and Ed for your great answers! I really appreciate your view and

honestly, share the same. It is just a concern I had, of seeing myself depending

on supplements for the rest of my life to maintain health instead of relying on

food source like we would in a perfect world, as you guys said.

Thanks again!!

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> Wow Thanks Bee and Ed for your great answers! I really appreciate your view

and honestly, share the same. It is just a concern I had, of seeing myself

depending on supplements for the rest of my life to maintain health instead of

relying on food source like we would in a perfect world, as you guys said.

Hi Fred,

Supplements are the same nutrients that are in foods and we must be dependent

upon foods, so what's the difference? lol!

Bee

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> +++Ed and I don't agree on everything, and that's okay too. He wrote that we

exercise less than our ancestors but I don't agree with that. I saw a recent

documentary that our ancestors actually exerted much less physical energy than

we do today, and also that animals in the wild are fairly lazy.

@@ Hi Bee & Everyone,

Bee, I do not know where the documentary you viewed got its logic from, but they

are a laughable bunch.

Of course, in the past, people worked physically harder in general.

Critical thinking would tell us that we did not have technology or machines like

we do today. Thus, whether Factories or Farming, people had to do most of the

physical labor themselves.

We can't compare ourselves to animals here. Animals are not governed by money

and forced to go make a living working in Factories, Farming or whatever. So

you could say they could/can afford to be lazy:)) However, before the

advent of technology, of course, some animals were used to assist in farming. So

only then, did they work harder than other animals. In poorer countries, today,

animals are still used for farming due to lack of technology access.

Moreover, I've personally done lots of manual labor with industry. I can tell

you overall with the implementation of technology, even in the last 20 YRS.,

physical labor intensity on the worker has tremendously diminished in

comparison. Now machines handle most of the physical workload. The odd cheap

business industry may be using less machinery / technology. However, not

normally. I know, because I've worked for these odd cheapos , so they do exist.

Heck, even turning on the T.V is easier. Before we use to have to walk over to

turn on the T.V. Now we just push a button, as with all our appliances &

electronics. So which is easier ....LOL !

The only thing different is people in general are working longer hours in the

last 15-20 yrs. This is more mental / health wear & tear than physically

demanding by a fair margin.

Well, Bee and everyone, all the above is something to consider.

Yes, Bee, you and I do not always agree on everything. But most things we do

and we make a good team and that's what counts

In Friendship,

Ed

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Dear Ed,

I assumed Bee was refering to our hunter-gatherer ancestors. I too have

read that hunter-gatherers (which is what we were for most of human history)

did work for 3-4 hours a day. With the advent of agriculture 10,000 years

ago, we had a lot more work to do.

With warm regards

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Ed <imysterios@...> wrote:

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> Bee, I do not know where the documentary you viewed got its logic from, but

> they are a laughable bunch.

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> > I have wondered about this also, Even though my healing is going great:

thankyou so much bee I wonder if our bodies could become so adapt to the

correct nutrients due to the supplements. If you ever stopped taking supplements

for an extended period of time (for whatever reason). Could your body react in a

bad way, compared to say someone that took half the amount of supplements.

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> I'm glad your healing is going great!

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> It would be impossible for your body to react in a bad way since supplements

are the same nutrients as those in foods.

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> Bee

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Thankyou Bee,

This is good to know,

My main concernis if you were on all the suplements for say 2 years.

Then you stopped taking them all for a while, would your body have a bad

reaction.

im assuming not as you would be healed and healthy,

just not getting the high amount of nutrients as you once were.

This is what i was wondering.

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> Thankyou Bee,

> This is good to know,

> My main concern is if you were on all the suplements for say 2 years.

> Then you stopped taking them all for a while, would your body have a bad

reaction.

> im assuming not as you would be healed and healthy, just not getting the high

amount of nutrients as you once were. This is what i was wondering.

+++Hi ,

I have experimented and found I didn't do as well without all of the supplements

but I'm 69 years old too so aging plays a part in it.

I'm healed and healthy not only because of the good foods but also because of

the supplements, and that's also true for anyone on this program.

Other people have experimented with the supplements on this program and in the

end they discovered that if they leave any out they don't do as well.

Of course nutrients in foods is dependent upon soil health that depends on

sunshine and rain, which are more polluted today.

When you are healthy you can experiment too, so you can answer your own

questions in this regard.

All the best, Bee