Re. Asymptomatic Forever? Really.

[Guest guest]

I sure do like Dr. M's recommendations for being asymptomatic forever.

There is one glaring exception for me however and that revolves around

issue of FAT CONSUMPTION. " No saturated fat, no cholesterol " ....is that

even realistic? To me, not being able to eat saturated fat and cholesterol

(forever!) IS A SYMPTOM.

For one, I would not want to live in a world where I couldn't enjoy modest

consumption of healthy, grass-fed, organic, wild or semi-wild, properly-stored,

properly-processed, properly-cooked saturated fats and cholesterol. What a

boring, monastic life that would be for me. Think of the restrictions when

dining out, traveling, being a guest, holidays, or just plain fun celebrations

and

events. To me that is not an option I would consider except as a " last resort " .

Beats dying, but that's about it. Part of me would be dead. You don't live

longer, it just FEELS like it.

Secondly, I think Dr. M has bought into the scientifically faulty LIPID

HYPOTHESIS. I'm convinced and see more and more signs that it is finally

beginning to die out. It is going away ever so slowly primarily because of

industry and government biases that created the twist on cholesterol research

(outcome-based research).There are a whole lot of GMO soybeans out there

that need a home. Yours perhaps?

One quick example where the Lipid Hypothesis breaks down, Eskimos on a

native indigenous diet virtually don't get gallstones and yet their saturated

fat

and cholesterol intake is astronomical. It's practically all they eat. But, you

put

them on a " modern " diet high in polyunsaturated oils, hydrogenated oils, trans

fatty acids, white flour, white sugar, and high carbohydrate diet and they die

quickly with heart disease, diabetes, AND liver and gall bladder disease. The

same is true for Native Americans here as well.

Dr. Weston A. Price ( 1930's dentist and global nutritional epidemiologist)

found HUNDREDS of examples just as dramatic, so it's not an Eskimo, i.e.,

" genetic " deal, it affects Orientals, Europeans, Africans and so on. This is a

case where the epidemiology people appear to be wiser than the test tube

guys. There is not a single incidence anywhere in the world where a group of

people who are known to posess extraordinarily high longevity trying to

restrict saturated fats or cholesterol in any way.

Many of the lipid hypothesis advocates, using a fascist-fundamentalist and

overly-simplistic approach such as " just say 'no' to meat fats " leave their

patients in the lurch. They may try to switch people to margarine and other

processed hydrogenated fats with no insight into the dangers of unnatural

processing or high Omega 6 FA levels. They may fail to help people

understand trans fats. Many have never even heard of Conjugated Linoleic

Acid. Some may not help people understand the dangers of

chemically-extracted vegetable oils. Maybe they don't discuss the

fat-damaging processes of homogenization and irradiation. I believe that the

net effect of saying to people NO SATURATED FAT, NO CHOLESTEROL will

leave many people slowly starving to death.

I think it is highly dangerous to restrict animal fats and oils as there is a

greater likelihood of failure to absorb fat soluble vitamins, greater chance to

consume more simple carbohydrates, and, for us GB sufferers, less flow

through the liver, less bile flow, more sludging of the bile, and thus more

stones. Excess (politically correct) polyunsaturated fatty acids are very hard

on the liver. It goes on and on.

We could argue forever on this point, and I could go on for 100 pages of

rebuttal but, and here is the nitty-gritty for me, when my gall bladder disease

first manifest, I read the WAPF literature by Dr. Tom Cowan regarding their

theory for the " true cause " of gallstone disease, wherein they state their

believe that it is LOW high-quality cholesterol intake causing the liver to

" hoard " and save cholesterol deposits, stones, I resonated with that. Like the

studies that showed heart benefits from both brocolli and red wine, GUESS

WHICH category of food had a radical increase in sales the day after it hit the

newspapers? Given the similar choice in which one group advocates a " no

fun " diet or another group who advocate a " really fun " diet, guess which side I

choose? Now, nearly 9 months into it I have no regrets and I LOVE my juicy

diet.

If we never achieve agreement on this issue on this site, my side may win in

the long run. Dr Price and other epidemiologists discovered that a people

living without butter suffer from " nutritional castration " and that the level of

fertility is directly related to the level of intake of this nutrient. The fat

eaters

will be able to reproduce.

To life,

Will in Minneapolis