Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 SSKI is only one form and that has been rx'd frequently. No you will not harm yourself - just won't be supplying both forms that your body needs. Steph potassium iodide Hi all Will i harm anything if i start using potassium iodide alone? I don't have logol's or iodoral at this moment and it will take me time to get them. thanks a lot. nil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Thank you bw nil Re: potassium iodide SSKI is only one form and that has been rx'd frequently. No you will not harm yourself - just won't be supplying both forms that your body needs. Steph ----- Original Message ----- From: Nil iodine@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Doesn't potasium have a toxic level? Kathleen > > SSKI is only one form and that has been rx'd frequently. No you will not harm yourself - just won't be supplying both forms that your body needs. > > Steph > potassium iodide > > > Hi all > > Will i harm anything if i start using potassium iodide alone? I don't have logol's or iodoral at this moment and it will take me time to get them. > > thanks a lot. > nil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 I am sure it does but you won't get a ton of it in an iodine mixture. Steph potassium iodide >> >> >> Hi all >> >> Will i harm anything if i start using potassium iodide alone? I > don't have logol's or iodoral at this moment and it will take me time > to get them. >> >> thanks a lot. >> nil >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Steph, This is off of the topic here but I had a couple of questions for you. I went to my endo a couple of weeks ago. Prior to that she had me do the blood work for thyroid that I did. Here are the results: Free, direct T4 1.46 range(.61-1.76) TSH .064 (.35-5.5) Triiodothyronine 114 (85-205) Cortisol 12.7 (4.3-22.4) No Free T3 was done. She offered to give me cytomel, but I told her that I wanted to try Armour first. I don't go back for 4 months. She prescribed 1 grain of Armour which from what I am reading is less of a dose than the 125mg of Synthroid. I had Thyca 30 years ago. The last two endo's don't want to keep me suppressed anymore. In the past 30 years I haven't felt well unless my synthroid dosage was around 200mg and at that dose my TSH was around .01 which freaked everyone out. I have been losing gobs of hair on the 125 dosage very coarse, swelling around the eyes since last year when they kept lowering my dose. The first day that I took Armour I felt better then really got tired after about a week. I have started cutting my pills and adding 1/3-1/4 more armour. Am I doing the right thing based on my labs?? I want to try iodine too but haven't gotten the nerve yet. I have been trying to balance my pH as well and don't want to get so many things going on at once. Your advice is valued? Sherry >>> ladybugsandbees@... 04/04/2008 1:13 PM >>> I am sure it does but you won't get a ton of it in an iodine mixture. Steph potassium iodide >> >> >> Hi all >> >> Will i harm anything if i start using potassium iodide alone? I > don't have logol's or iodoral at this moment and it will take me time > to get them. >> >> thanks a lot. >> nil >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 It's been a while since I read the package insert to Armour. I think there are dosing instructions on www.stopthethyroidmadness.com . I started on 2 grains (was on .150 mgs synthroid) mid January. By the middle of Feb I was on 2 1/2 and by the end on 3 gr. I upped it to 3 1/2 gr mid March and by the end of March was at 4 gr which is where I have ended up. I think you are to increase 1/2 gr until you reach 3 gr and then hold for 6 weeks. But I felt so bad that my Dr told me to increase again. As for Iodine. You need it. You have no hyper worries since you have no thyroid. The worst that will happen is detoxing. Which is easily combated with Vit C and stopping Iodine for a while. You need to be suppressed (.1 or below TSH). You need to have your thyroglobulin levels checked. They must be checked at least yearly. That is how you manage thyroid cancer. Here's what I think about TSH and being thyroidless. The purpose of TSH is to stimulate the NIS to pull in more iodine so that more thyroid hormone can be created. But when there is no thyroid there is nothing to stimulate so theoretically if the TSH is measurable it is calling for more hormone. if it is very very low then your body has what it needs. I have been less than .01 for over 2 years now with no issues. I feel great. Your doctor doesn't know how to use Armour and that is a problem. Join the Naturalthyroidhormones group and they can help you with questions on Armour. The lady who owns the website I gave you above owns that group too. Janie is great. potassium iodide >>> >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Will i harm anything if i start using potassium iodide alone? I >> don't have logol's or iodoral at this moment and it will take me time > >> to get them. >>> >>> thanks a lot. >>> nil >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Hi Sherry - I also had thyca with near total thyroidectomy. Last year I switched from Synthroid to Armour, started on 1 gram which i'm basically still at and doing well on. I like to split my dose and take one 30 mg tab in the morning, 2nd tab between noon and 2, and perhaps a third or 1/2 tab if needed in the evening. I asked my Dr. to prescribe 30 mg tabs twice a day rather than all at once. When introducing Iodoral, start slowly at a 1/2 tab. At first, Iwasn't able to take it at the same time of ARmour - too much hormone flying around. Initiate the Celtic sea salt and vitamin C protocol. Currently, my schedule is 2 tabs Iodoral while still in bed followed by one Armour tab taken sublingual (better absorption). Do this again at noon to 1 p.m. and works well. At 5 p.m., I take an additional 2 tabs of Iodoral. Of course, I supplememtn with all the other B vitamins as posted on breastcancerchoices.org Good luck and I hope this info helps you in your journey! Pam > >> > >> SSKI is only one form and that has been rx'd frequently. No you > > will not harm yourself - just won't be supplying both forms that your > > > body needs. > >> > >> Steph > >> potassium iodide > >> > >> > >> Hi all > >> > >> Will i harm anything if i start using potassium iodide alone? I > > don't have logol's or iodoral at this moment and it will take me time > > > to get them. > >> > >> thanks a lot. > >> nil > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 you are on 60 mg Armour total??? Do you realize this is a very inadequate dose? you may have adrenal probs if you can't take more. Gracia partial thyroidectomy for hyperthyroidism, which was actually iodine deficiency 240mg Armour 100mg Iodoral 20mg cortef Hi Sherry - I also had thyca with near total thyroidectomy. Last year I switched from Synthroid to Armour, started on 1 gram which i'm basically still at and doing well on. I like to split my dose and take one 30 mg tab in the morning, 2nd tab between noon and 2, and perhaps a third or 1/2 tab if needed in the evening. I asked my Dr. to prescribe 30 mg tabs twice a day rather than all at once. When introducing Iodoral, start slowly at a 1/2 tab. At first, Iwasn't able to take it at the same time of ARmour - too much hormone flying around. Initiate the Celtic sea salt and vitamin C protocol. Currently, my schedule is 2 tabs Iodoral while still in bed followed by one Armour tab taken sublingual (better absorption). Do this again at noon to 1 p.m. and works well. At 5 p.m., I take an additional 2 tabs of Iodoral. Of course, I supplememtn with all the other B vitamins as posted on breastcancerchoices.org Good luck and I hope this info helps you in your journey! Pam --- .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Yes, I am on 60 mg Armour total! Went from 125 on synthroid to 60 mg Armour. I don't know about all of the conversion stuff but throught that it was equal to 100 of synthroid. Maybe there is more to it?? Sherry >>> circe@... 04/04/2008 11:07 PM >>> you are on 60 mg Armour total??? Do you realize this is a very inadequate dose? you may have adrenal probs if you can't take more. Gracia partial thyroidectomy for hyperthyroidism, which was actually iodine deficiency 240mg Armour 100mg Iodoral 20mg cortef Hi Sherry - I also had thyca with near total thyroidectomy. Last year I switched from Synthroid to Armour, started on 1 gram which i'm basically still at and doing well on. I like to split my dose and take one 30 mg tab in the morning, 2nd tab between noon and 2, and perhaps a third or 1/2 tab if needed in the evening. I asked my Dr. to prescribe 30 mg tabs twice a day rather than all at once. When introducing Iodoral, start slowly at a 1/2 tab. At first, Iwasn't able to take it at the same time of ARmour - too much hormone flying around. Initiate the Celtic sea salt and vitamin C protocol. Currently, my schedule is 2 tabs Iodoral while still in bed followed by one Armour tab taken sublingual (better absorption). Do this again at noon to 1 p.m. and works well. At 5 p.m., I take an additional 2 tabs of Iodoral. Of course, I supplememtn with all the other B vitamins as posted on breastcancerchoices.org Good luck and I hope this info helps you in your journey! Pam --- Recent Activity a.. 19New Members Visit Your Group Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. New business? Get new customers. List your web site in Search. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 I went from 112 Unithroid one day to 2 grains Armour the next and that wasn't enough. Mabe the fact that I have no thyroid is what is different. As long as you feel well, that's what counts. - 43 year thyroid cancer survivor ----- Original Message ----- From: Sherry Barker Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:38 AM Yes,I am on 60 mg Armour total! Went from 125 on synthroid to 60 mgArmour. I don't know about all of the conversion stuff but throughtthat it was equal to 100 of synthroid. Maybe there is more to it??Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Grammy, I don't feel well but my TSH is .064 range (.61-1.76), FT4 1.46 range (.61-1.76) Triiodothyronine 114 range (85-205), Cortisol AM 12.7 range (4.3-22.4). The biggest difference with Armour for me( I started using it on 3/28/08) is that I am freezing cold now. I started monitoring my temps after work yesterday was 97.4. I took temp this AM after rising was 97.3. I then took the Armour and it was up to 98 at 9:25 AM, just took it again at 11:45 it is 97.7. I think that I can assume that it will continue to fall throughout the day. I am now wondering if I have 's Syndrome. The endo offered T3 and synthroid, maybe I would have done better. Before the change to Armour I had and still have all of the classic hypo symptoms, hair falling out, tired, constipated etc. I am at a loss wondering what to do... Felt great for the first few days on Armour but has been downhill since. Endo will NOT give me an increase in meds. Any imput would be appreciated. sherry >>> grammyDx2@... 04/07/2008 4:59 PM >>> I went from 112 Unithroid one day to 2 grains Armour the next and that wasn't enough. Mabe the fact that I have no thyroid is what is different. As long as you feel well, that's what counts. - 43 year thyroid cancer survivor ----- Original Message ----- From: Sherry Barker Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:38 AM Yes, I am on 60 mg Armour total! Went from 125 on synthroid to 60 mg Armour. I don't know about all of the conversion stuff but throught that it was equal to 100 of synthroid. Maybe there is more to it?? Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 you need an increase in meds. usual Armour dose is 180--300mg. I assume your free T3/T4 are low. will doc treat that? you might want to look for another doc. Gracia Grammy,I don't feel well but my TSH is .064 range (.61-1.76), FT4 1.46 range(.61-1.76) Triiodothyronine 114 range (85-205), Cortisol AM 12.7 range(4.3-22.4). The biggest difference with Armour for me( I started usingit on 3/28/08) is that I am freezing cold now. I started monitoring mytemps after work yesterday was 97.4. I took temp this AM after risingwas 97.3. I then took the Armour and it was up to 98 at 9:25 AM, justtook it again at 11:45 it is 97.7. I think that I can assume that itwill continue to fall throughout the day. I am now wondering if I have's Syndrome. The endo offered T3 and synthroid, maybe I wouldhave done better. Before the change to Armour I had and still have allof the classic hypo symptoms, hair falling out, tired, constipated etc. I am at a loss wondering what to do... Felt great for the first few dayson Armour but has been downhill since. Endo will NOT give me anincrease in meds. Any imput would be appreciated.sherry>>> grammyDx2neo (DOT) rr.com 04/07/2008 4:59 PM >>>I went from 112 Unithroid one day to 2 grains Armour the next and thatwasn't enough. Mabe the fact that I have no thyroid is what isdifferent. As long as you feel well, that's what counts. - 43 year thyroid cancer survivor----- Original Message ----- From: Sherry Barker Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:38 AMYes,I am on 60 mg Armour total! Went from 125 on synthroid to 60 mgArmour. I don't know about all of the conversion stuff but throughtthat it was equal to 100 of synthroid. Maybe there is more to it??Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Your frees look like they are too low. Most feel best in the upper end of the free ranges. I think your spikes in temps are due to the increased T3 provided but then it goes away around 3 hours after taking it. Can you try splitting your dose into 2 amounts? This could even out the rush of T3 to your system. My guess is that you still need more armour. If your current doc won't treat with your symptoms then maybe you need a new doc. Re: Re: potassium iodide > Grammy, > I don't feel well but my TSH is .064 range (.61-1.76), FT4 1.46 range > (.61-1.76) Triiodothyronine 114 range (85-205), Cortisol AM 12.7 range > (4.3-22.4). The biggest difference with Armour for me( I started using > it on 3/28/08) is that I am freezing cold now. I started monitoring my > temps after work yesterday was 97.4. I took temp this AM after rising > was 97.3. I then took the Armour and it was up to 98 at 9:25 AM, just > took it again at 11:45 it is 97.7. I think that I can assume that it > will continue to fall throughout the day. I am now wondering if I have > 's Syndrome. The endo offered T3 and synthroid, maybe I would > have done better. Before the change to Armour I had and still have all > of the classic hypo symptoms, hair falling out, tired, constipated etc. > I am at a loss wondering what to do... Felt great for the first few days > on Armour but has been downhill since. Endo will NOT give me an > increase in meds. Any imput would be appreciated. > sherry > > >>>> grammyDx2@... 04/07/2008 4:59 PM >>> > I went from 112 Unithroid one day to 2 grains Armour the next and that > wasn't enough. Mabe the fact that I have no thyroid is what is > different. As long as you feel well, that's what counts. > > - 43 year thyroid cancer survivor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sherry Barker > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:38 AM > > > Yes, > I am on 60 mg Armour total! Went from 125 on synthroid to 60 mg > Armour. I don't know about all of the conversion stuff but throught > that it was equal to 100 of synthroid. Maybe there is more to it?? > Sherry > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Hi Sherry, As Gracia and say, you need more Armour and if this doctor won't give it to you, find another doc or self treat. Have you checked your adrenals? www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info (aka Grammy) -- In iodine , " Sherry Barker " <sherry.barker@...> wrote: > > Grammy, > I don't feel well but my TSH is .064 range (.61-1.76), FT4 1.46 range (.61-1.76) Triiodothyronine 114 range (85-205), Cortisol AM 12.7 range (4.3-22.4). The biggest difference with Armour for me( I started using it on 3/28/08) is that I am freezing cold now. I started monitoring my temps after work yesterday was 97.4. I took temp this AM after rising was 97.3. I then took the Armour and it was up to 98 at 9:25 AM, just took it again at 11:45 it is 97.7. I think that I can assume that it will continue to fall throughout the day. I am now wondering if I have 's Syndrome. The endo offered T3 and synthroid, maybe I would have done better. Before the change to Armour I had and still have all of the classic hypo symptoms, hair falling out, tired, constipated etc. > I am at a loss wondering what to do... Felt great for the first few days on Armour but has been downhill since. Endo will NOT give me an > increase in meds. Any imput would be appreciated. > sherry > > > >>> grammyDx2@... 04/07/2008 4:59 PM >>> > I went from 112 Unithroid one day to 2 grains Armour the next and that wasn't enough. Mabe the fact that I have no thyroid is what is > different. As long as you feel well, that's what counts. > > - 43 year thyroid cancer survivor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sherry Barker > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:38 AM > > Yes, > I am on 60 mg Armour total! Went from 125 on synthroid to 60 mg > Armour. I don't know about all of the conversion stuff but throught > that it was equal to 100 of synthroid. Maybe there is more to it?? > Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 A couple doctors use iodide to treat candida, cancer and other conditions caused by fungus.For example, Walter Fast does in his articles for candida and it is part of Mark Sircus' protocol for curing cancer too. Also iodide is used by many in the adrenal and thyroid groups to treat hypothyroidism. But iodide is also a potent antibacterial as well as anti-fungal. blessings Shan > > SSKI nasal spray > has anyone tried this or do you knwo what potassium iodide is treating > (fungus? bacterial/viral)? > > it has alot of potential side effects/its prescription /so I am curious > > I'm starting it prescribed by my environmental dr... > amy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 My doc perscribes Ioderol but I prefer taking Kelp since it is less harsh. I take 1 mg/day. Iodine helps thyroid / endocrine function and also the detox process from what I understand - From: amydent9 <amydent9@...> Subject: potassium iodide Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 2:48 AM SSKI nasal spray has anyone tried this or do you knwo what potassium iodide is treating (fungus? bacterial/viral) ? it has alot of potential side effects/its prescription /so I am curious I'm starting it prescribed by my environmental dr... amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 150 mcg is "Old School" iodine therapy. This group is based upon the works of Dr. Abraham, Brownstein and Flechas. You can read more about that on www.optimox.com I also recommend getting Dr. Brownstein's book on Iodine www.drbrownstein.com Iodine is more than just the thyroid - it is for every gland and mucosal lining. Many of us started at 50 mgs of Iodoral (pill form of Lugol's formula which is Iodine / Iodide). I have taken amounts as high as 125 mgs / day. Potassium Iodide May I use Potassium Iodide? I am Hypothyroid for 30+ years my health store dr. of pharmacueticals suggest potassium iodide 150µg 3 drops daily. Third day now feel noticeably better, afternoon tiredness diminished, should I increase gradually or stay put?ThanksPete in Oklahoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 I would rather do kelp or sea salt than Potassium Iodide. Kelp is one of the most richest natural sources of iodine. Kelp can be very detoxifying so moderation is the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 > > I would rather do kelp or sea salt than Potassium Iodide. Kelp is one of the most richest natural sources of iodine. Kelp can be very detoxifying so moderation is the key. > I take kelp 3 tabs 900mg having 450ug iodine and with diner 2tabs 600mg, 300ug = 1.5g, 750ug total with the intention to kill the pathogens in my body and my eye. I have noticed the detox. I am taking little and from hear I don't know to where I should procede whether increasing kelp or other herbs - I like to take olive leaf extract and other herbs but this have antioxidant and iodine is oxidant. there is tribiotics having oxidant beberine sulfate, artimisin grapefuit and black walnut as oxidant. But can one tolerate the burning die off or the imflammation while killing the germs. Do you know if virostop and glisodin or other enzymes or acid will work as anti-imflammation? Or I have to take potassium iodide? How can I take antioxidant herbs as soon as I finish iodine big load in my body to kill the bact/fungus? Would I get into a trap or iodine gets in short hours chelated,detoxed? Did you have experience with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 > I take kelp 3 tabs 900mg having 450ug iodine and with diner 2tabs 600mg, 300ug = 1.5g, 750ug total with the intention to kill the pathogens in my body and my eye. I have noticed the detox. I am taking little and from hear I don't know to where I should procede whether increasing kelp or other herbs - I like to take olive leaf extract and other herbs but this have antioxidant and iodine is oxidant. there is tribiotics having oxidant beberine sulfate, artimisin grapefuit and black walnut as oxidant. But can one tolerate the burning die off or the imflammation while killing the germs. Do you know if virostop and glisodin or other enzymes or acid will work as anti-imflammation? Or I have to take potassium iodide? How can I take antioxidant herbs as soon as I finish iodine big load in my body to kill the bact/fungus? Would I get into a trap or iodine gets in short hours chelated,detoxed? > Did you have experience with this? +++Hi there. If you are new welcome! What is your name please? What kinds of pathogens do you have in your body and your eye?? It is dangerous to take more iodine than your body needs because it is also damaging to your thyroid. The very best antioxidants in the World are the correct combination of fats I recommend, which are necessary in order for minerals like iodine to be absorbed and utilized too - called " mineral activators. " Also, those fats get rid of heavy metals - see this article:\ http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/mn16.php Of course all nutrients work together in the body, i.e. vitamins, minerals, protein, fat, etc. That fact IS that pathogens, i.e. viruses, bacteria, candida/fungus and even cancer cannot be cured by " killing them off " or by " trying to get rid of them. " They are only cured by getting healthy, which is done by: 1) Consuming " proper nutrients " (Bee's diet plus supplements which provides all of the nutrients any Human needs in order to be healthy). 2) Eliminating toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria and cancer). 3) Eliminating damaging foods. 4) Eliminating toxins in general. When you are healthy enough your body automatically " changes " any pathogen back into the organism it is supposed to be when the body is healthy. It's like the manure pile and the flies, with the manure pile representing the poor condition of the body. You cannot get rid of the manure pile by killing off the flies. You must clean up the manure pile instead, which means getting healthy according to Nature's Laws on Health. All disease processes are exactly the same as healing and detoxifying processes created by the body itself in an effort to maintain its health, in spite of poor nutrition, toxins, etc. As Taubes writes in his book Good Calories, Bad Calories, p. 142: " . . .the fundamental feature of all living organisms is the interdependence of the parts of the body to the whole . . . " " . . .all physiological systems have to work together to assure survival. " " . . all of the vital mechanisms [processes], however varied they may be, have only one object, that of preserving constant the conditions of life in the internal environment. " However, the medical industry labels each and every " sign " of poor health as separate dis-eases, illnesses, symptoms, syndromes, etc. which are actually normal body reactions and processes. In other words, they are simply " signs " the body is attempting to restore its own balance. As Florence Nightengale, the famous nurse, says: " There are no specific diseases; there are [only] specific disease conditions. " People on this healthy program are giving their bodies what they need to become healthy, so they are now able to progress towards health rather than become more and more unhealthy, or dis-eased. Think about it: Diseases, symptoms, illnesses, etc. cannot cause themselves, which is like claiming " firemen caused the fire. " Therefore, doctors are only treating the " results of poor health " and not the " causes. " This program has proved to be an overall healing program that improves anyone's health, so it isn't just for curing candida. Please ensure you read two important articles so you know what you need to do and why: How to Successfully Overcome Candida: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php Curing Candida, How to Get Started: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php For encouragement and inspiration see these 200 wonderful Success Stories by members of this group: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php The best in health, Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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