gaining weight

[Guest guest]

, thank you for sharing your story about your husband's rehab plan. That's

great, !

[Guest guest]

,

You know most of those weight gain products like ensure contain a lot of corn

syrup, which is a lot of suger, and that is supposed to be bad for cancer.

I had good luck with a probiotic. Chemo hurts the intestines and destroys the

natural bacteria. A probiotic can help that situation.

Syd

[Guest guest]

Grapefruit doesn't have that much sugar, and red grapefruit juice is

cancer-healing, as is apple (which doesn't have that much sugar, at least

nonsweet apples). The others have a lot of sugar but also cancer-healing

properties. I would consume no more than 8oz a little at a time, and I wouldn't

consume pineapple or papaya juice unless I was needing to gain weight. It's a

trade off between the harmful aspects of the sugar and the need to gain weight.

[Guest guest]

Loenard,

Budwig's protocol, Flax Seed Oil well blended with Cottage Cheese is supposed to

heal cancer, but it also helps you gain weight. That's what I call killing two

birds with one stone!

Syd

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Syd. Probiotics are excellent for weight gain. You have to be

careful with different methods as it may increase the ATP energy of the immature

cells and thus proliferating the tumors again.

Johanne

[Guest guest]

Hi Syd,

I've had a rough summer and haven't been here to

the site much. But I absolutely agree with you. Sugar

is absolutely bad for cancer and should be avoided to

avoid getting cancer. I stopped using the Ensure

(which I did get a great wholesale deal on thru

KARMANOS Cancer Institute) and started using my Body

FX shakes from First Fitness, which I also get a great

deal on! I had probiotics in my Reneu, the colon detox

product I talk about the most! I used Reneu for

several years before my cancer. My best case scenario,

if I survived, was supposed to be a permanent

colostomy. But I'm still alive, have no colostomy and

the damage to the site of my cancer is completely

healed. Thank you for sharing this vitally important

cancer recovery information with all of us.

Blessings,

--- Syd Monk <syd_monk@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> You know most of those weight gain products like

> ensure contain a lot of corn syrup, which is a lot

> of suger, and that is supposed to be bad for cancer.

>

> I had good luck with a probiotic. Chemo hurts the

> intestines and destroys the natural bacteria. A

> probiotic can help that situation.

>

> Syd

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

<<<I weighed myself this morning. Much to my surprise I gained 4 pounds.>>>

I did the samething. I figured I gained because of bloating...maybe all the

fiber? Water? Veggies? My stomach has a PMS bloat to it and it's not that time

of the month.

Amazingly, though my fingers aren't bloated and wedding rings are actually

loose.

I'd love to hear other opinions, too.

[Guest guest]

> Any thoughts?

Get rid of the scale until it's over!!! You could be holding some

water. You're body could be in a state of physical " shock " and

freaking out at what your doing to it. You might also find that the

sleeves of your shirts and pants legs get a little snug. That's the

muscles. Don't worry and freak, they'll go back down. Keep on eating

clean, lifting heavy, drinking the water, and throw out the scale.

You'll do wonderful.

Deb

[Guest guest]

Nearly everyone gains the first week. It's a normal fluctuation in

water and glycogen from the heavy training and quality fuel. Glycogen

is stored carbohydrate in your muscles and liver, every molecule of

glycogen has a couple molecules of water attached to it, so it's

heavy. It's not fat though, and it won't make you bigger. Glycogen

stores can fluctuate by several pounds a day and they're usually

pretty depleted in anybody who's been low-carbing, dieting strictly,

or not lifting weights prior to BFL. It's nothing to worry about. Read

this:

Why the Scale Lies

http://www.skwigg.com/id12.html

Occasionally, people will see a weight gain because they start eating

bread and pasta and sugary bars and boxed rice mix 6 times a day. Here

are some pointers on that one:

Do You Want to Lean Out or Swell Up?

http://www.skwigg.com/id55.html

If you have any doubts, you can post a menu and get some feedback on

your meals.

On 1/7/06, CAROLYN SMART <carolynsmart@...> wrote:

> I group, my name is Carolyn and like alot of you, I also started my first

challenge on Monday. I weighed myself Monday morning and while I promised myself

I would not do that again until week 1 was over - I weighed myself this morning.

Much to my surprise I gained 4 pounds. Has anyone else experienced a gain in

their first week. I lifted heavy this week, is there a possibity it is muscle

weight already or should I cut down on the 6 meal thing. I have behaved and have

not cheated. Any thoughts?

[Guest guest]

>

> I group, my name is Carolyn and like alot of you, I also started my

first challenge on Monday. I weighed myself Monday morning and while

I promised myself I would not do that again until week 1 was over - I

weighed myself this morning. Much to my surprise I gained 4 pounds.

Has anyone else experienced a gain in their first week. I lifted

heavy this week, is there a possibity it is muscle weight already or

should I cut down on the 6 meal thing. I have behaved and have not

cheated. Any thoughts?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just have to ask... I don't mean to be pertinent or anything but I

need to know.

If you can SEE the MUSCLES forming and are getting more SHAPELY then

why do you CARE what the number is on a dumb piece of equipment? It

can't see what you look like or the changes you're making. It doesn't

know if you are 100 pounds of cotton balls or 100 pounds of steel.

(those cotton balls take up a whole lot more space than the steel)

For example: Right now I am 20 pounds heavier than I was 5 years ago.

YIKES? No, My measurements are the exact same!! The same. I'm the

same size in inches in my waist, arms, legs, abs... even wearing a

smaller size jean even, but weigh 20 pounds heavier. How?

Muscle weighs more than flab.

I'm not where I want to be yet, I've got a long way to go. But I

mostly use the scale to judge how much water I'm retaining and for

body fat measurements at biofitness.com

I think it's very cool to take up the same amount of " air space " yet

have more body mass. And you have the same body mass and are taking

up LESS air space if you are losing inches.

And isn't that our goal. We don't want to be that 100 pounds of cotton

balls taking up all that space. We want to be that 100 pounds of steel

that take up very little space.

You're are absolutely on the right track. Keep working hard and blow

raspberries at that scale.

Deb

i mean there is def inches coming off

> been off but scale weight forget it . i also see muscles forming

> on my body whe n before i was not much shapely .so i t takes time

> im not giving up i see so many having changes after their 8 th

> week . thats what im hoping for too . god luc:)k and dont give up ..

>

[Guest guest]

The scale is VERY deceiving....try taking your measurments or

measuring your body fat....those may tell a whole other story!!!

> >

> > I group, my name is Carolyn and like alot of you, I also started

my

> first challenge on Monday. I weighed myself Monday morning and

while

> I promised myself I would not do that again until week 1 was over -

I

> weighed myself this morning. Much to my surprise I gained 4

pounds.

> Has anyone else experienced a gain in their first week. I lifted

> heavy this week, is there a possibity it is muscle weight already

or

> should I cut down on the 6 meal thing. I have behaved and have not

> cheated. Any thoughts?

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

thanks for all the responses and support, everyone in this group is very

helpful. Maybe I will wait till the 8th week before I step on that scale again.

elaine <elaine_kime@...> wrote:

>

> I group, my name is Carolyn and like alot of you, I also started my

first challenge on Monday. I weighed myself Monday morning and while

I promised myself I would not do that again until week 1 was over - I

weighed myself this morning. Much to my surprise I gained 4 pounds.

Has anyone else experienced a gain in their first week. I lifted

heavy this week, is there a possibity it is muscle weight already or

should I cut down on the 6 meal thing. I have behaved and have not

cheated. Any thoughts?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

you are absolutely right i shouldnt bother looking that dumb scale when i know

i have ben working out so hard everyday 7 days week for 7 weeks and lifting

weights and see changes in me now .i eat healthy and all ..

the scale will just depres me i dont need to deal with that when i know lil

by lil i a making progreess .

but the other thing is the bfl tracker they require u to write down weight

snad stuff

which i really dont like to do . in order you to t rack everything and add

pics of progress its required to write down the weight

part me feels like writing them telling them dont seem fair

Debra <dcoolmail@...> wrote:

I just have to ask... I don't mean to be pertinent or anything but I

need to know.

If you can SEE the MUSCLES forming and are getting more SHAPELY then

why do you CARE what the number is on a dumb piece of equipment? It

can't see what you look like or the changes you're making. It doesn't

know if you are 100 pounds of cotton balls or 100 pounds of steel.

(those cotton balls take up a whole lot more space than the steel)

For example: Right now I am 20 pounds heavier than I was 5 years ago.

YIKES? No, My measurements are the exact same!! The same. I'm the

same size in inches in my waist, arms, legs, abs... even wearing a

smaller size jean even, but weigh 20 pounds heavier. How?

Muscle weighs more than flab.

I'm not where I want to be yet, I've got a long way to go. But I

mostly use the scale to judge how much water I'm retaining and for

body fat measurements at biofitness.com

I think it's very cool to take up the same amount of " air space " yet

have more body mass. And you have the same body mass and are taking

up LESS air space if you are losing inches.

And isn't that our goal. We don't want to be that 100 pounds of cotton

balls taking up all that space. We want to be that 100 pounds of steel

that take up very little space.

You're are absolutely on the right track. Keep working hard and blow

raspberries at that scale.

Deb

i mean there is def inches coming off

> been off but scale weight forget it . i also see muscles forming

> on my body whe n before i was not much shapely .so i t takes time

> im not giving up i see so many having changes after their 8 th

> week . thats what im hoping for too . god luc:)k and dont give up ..

>

[Guest guest]

Oh Elaine, you will be the envy of every on that board. Getting

smaller and not losing any lean mass!!! There are people that pay

good money for bad steroids to get what you've got naturally.

Flaunt it chica!

Deb

>

> you are absolutely right i shouldnt bother looking that dumb scale

when i know i have ben working out so hard everyday 7 days week for 7

weeks and lifting weights and see changes in me now .i eat healthy and

all ..

>

> the scale will just depres me i dont need to deal with that when

i know lil by lil i a making progreess .

>

> but the other thing is the bfl tracker they require u to write

down weight snad stuff

>

> which i really dont like to do . in order you to t rack

everything and add pics of progress its required to write down

the weight

> part me feels like writing them telling them dont seem fair

[Guest guest]

> >

> > you are absolutely right i shouldnt bother looking that dumb

scale

> when i know i have ben working out so hard everyday 7 days week

for 7

> weeks and lifting weights and see changes in me now .i eat healthy

and

> all ..

> >

> > the scale will just depres me i dont need to deal with that

when

> i know lil by lil i a making progreess .

> >

> > but the other thing is the bfl tracker they require u to

write

> down weight snad stuff

> >

> > which i really dont like to do . in order you to t rack

> everything and add pics of progress its required to write down

> the weight

> > part me feels like writing them telling them dont seem fair

>

well ty deb your a nice person ,maybe ill continue

[Guest guest]

> >

> > you are absolutely right i shouldnt bother looking that dumb

scale

> when i know i have ben working out so hard everyday 7 days week

for 7

> weeks and lifting weights and see changes in me now .i eat healthy

and

> all ..

> >

> > the scale will just depres me i dont need to deal with that

when

> i know lil by lil i a making progreess .

> >

> > but the other thing is the bfl tracker they require u to

write

> down weight snad stuff

> >

> > which i really dont like to do . in order you to t rack

> everything and add pics of progress its required to write down

> the weight

> > part me feels like writing them telling them dont seem fair

>

hey deb i see a big change in you through your pics too u looking

great your waist and i se your abs showing . you flaunt

yourr stuff too hehehe " )your doing GREAT:)LIKE YOUR

POSITIVENESS TOO:)

[Guest guest]

> I can't stand the thought or taste of packaged shakes...

I agree, I have yet to find a RTD (readytodrink) packaged protein

shake that doesnt have like a tinny medicinal aftertaste. I vote for

the protein powder as a basic necessity when you want to increase

your daily protein when the tuna, eggs, and lean meats get boring. I

like the Costco brand in the Dutch chocolate - 5lb container at

under $26 I think it was - no clumps, mixes well and satisfies the

chocoholic in me :-)

> In my opinion: keep the sweets as a daily routine and keep

> the extra pounds give up the sweets and lose the pounds;

> you'll still be able to have them on occasions, but not

> frequently

I think that depends on what sweets you are eating - usually the

more you have the more you want and cutting them out all together is

quite like an alcoholic 'drying out' (lol) and then you realize hey

I dont really crave these anymore and when you do indulge it tastes

sooooo much better (or not as good as you remember it should, that

happens alot too). Then there are some people who can inpose

limitations on their sweet intake - like a woman I know at work who

eats Hershey Kisses for a fix (25 calories each I think they are)

and has actually lost like 80lbs over this past year - so it depends

on ones self control I guess and working it into your daily calorie

count if you really cant do without :-)

joni

----------------------------------------

*Nothing tastes as good as being in shape feels*

[Guest guest]

I love the EAS AdvantEdge Carb Control RTD ones. They aren't enough

to be a meal replacement but it is an easy way to add some extra

protein to a meal without adding a lot of extra fat (P15, C6, F3)

and they don't have that icky aftertaste.

>

> Hi ladies, I have been listening to the conversations and have

some

> questions for you all. I have been doing the exercise portion of

BFL

> to achieve some fitness and weight goals. I am already pretty fit,

but

> over time have taken to carrying around an extra 10 pounds. After

a

> week and a half, I have gone up about 1 and a half pounds. Have

any of

> you experienced weight gain in the first weeks of the program? I

have

> been modifying my diet, but I am not strict with the food

regiment. I

> have adjusted portion sizes and I am eating less, and more

frequently

> according to the plan. I can't seem to give up the sweets though.

I

> was hoping to adjust my activity and eat more protein-less carbs.

Is

> this asking too much or do I have to completely change my

lifestyles

> to lose the 10? Also, I have been overdosing on cottage cheese for

> protein - does anyone recommend a protein shake that you can buy

at

> the grocery store that is decent?

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

I love the EAS AdvantEdge Carb Control RTD ones. They aren't enough

to be a meal replacement but it is an easy way to add some extra

protein to a meal without adding a lot of extra fat (P15, C6, F3)

and they don't have that icky aftertaste.

>

> Hi ladies, I have been listening to the conversations and have

some

> questions for you all. I have been doing the exercise portion of

BFL

> to achieve some fitness and weight goals. I am already pretty fit,

but

> over time have taken to carrying around an extra 10 pounds. After

a

> week and a half, I have gone up about 1 and a half pounds. Have

any of

> you experienced weight gain in the first weeks of the program? I

have

> been modifying my diet, but I am not strict with the food

regiment. I

> have adjusted portion sizes and I am eating less, and more

frequently

> according to the plan. I can't seem to give up the sweets though.

I

> was hoping to adjust my activity and eat more protein-less carbs.

Is

> this asking too much or do I have to completely change my

lifestyles

> to lose the 10? Also, I have been overdosing on cottage cheese for

> protein - does anyone recommend a protein shake that you can buy

at

> the grocery store that is decent?

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> well, cfs patients aren't the only ones. I've felt for a long time

I've been doomed to carry all this extra weight because I just can't

be as active as I should. Guess this more or less confirms that

thinking.

>

> http://www.news-medical.net/?id=17500

>

> Marcia

>

Hi Marcia

I put on nearly 2 stone as I got sicker during 1995/2000 but now its

all gone, I only weigh 139 lbs and am 5ft 5in. As I am 58 years old

thats not bad. It all gradually went with the thyroid/adrenal meds

plus a low carb, high protein, good fats diet.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thanks very much for that link Marcia, it may be useful.

Hi Pam

your story is very encouraging!

please can you give me more information about your thyroid/adrenal

meds; what they are, who prescribed them,how long you have been on

them and explain how it was discovered that you needed them, if you

have the time?

many thanks

> >

> >

> >

> > well, cfs patients aren't the only ones. I've felt for a long

time

> I've been doomed to carry all this extra weight because I just

can't

> be as active as I should. Guess this more or less confirms that

> thinking.

> >

> > http://www.news-medical.net/?id=17500

> >

> > Marcia

> >

>

> Hi Marcia

>

> I put on nearly 2 stone as I got sicker during 1995/2000 but now

its

> all gone, I only weigh 139 lbs and am 5ft 5in. As I am 58 years

old

> thats not bad. It all gradually went with the thyroid/adrenal meds

> plus a low carb, high protein, good fats diet.

>

> Pam

>

[Guest guest]

Dan

THere are a number of good sites on dealing with candida.

Enjoy seasoning with oregano, liberally, plus cayenne, ginger and garlic.

Elminate grains, sugar in all forms, and fermented/cultured foods except for

yoghurt and kefir.

Add 3 to 4 tablespoons of virgin coconut oil to your diet daily. Start with

small amounts and increase slowly. We want die off, not herx. No need for

the 'heroic' school. I get min coconut oil from topicaltraditions.com

Sprinkle two drops of essential oil of Tea Tree in your shoes daily.

(WalMart, $5.00 for 2 ounces).

mjh

From: " kdrbrill " kdrbrill@...

Date: Thu May 11, 2006 8:53am(PDT)

Subject: Re: Gaining weight

I probably don't eat enough -- definitely wasn't about 2-3 months ago -- but

also feel

worse when I eat higher calorie foods and also don't have enough stomach

acid, etc..

The doc said I should be getting 3200 calories a day in 5-6 meals -- I'd

have to have a

cook, plus get up at 6 and stay up till 12 midnight in order to do that.

Gotta start slowly.

see my reply to Blake above.

I'm certain I have a candida issue too, but doctors won't consider that.

Thanks Dirk,

Dan

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

I probably don't eat enough -- definitely wasn't about 2-3 months ago -- but

also feel

worse when I eat higher calorie foods and also don't have enough stomach acid,

etc..

The doc said I should be getting 3200 calories a day in 5-6 meals -- I'd have to

have a

cook, plus get up at 6 and stay up till 12 midnight in order to do that. Gotta

start slowly.

see my reply to Blake above.

I'm certain I have a candida issue too, but doctors won't consider that.

Thanks Dirk,

Dan

>

> Dan,

>

> Why can't you gain weight? What do you eat in a day?

>

> Is your trouble that you eat a lot and don't gain, or that you can't gain?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan

I know how you feel. 5 years ago, I asked my infectious disease doctor to test

me for systemic candida. He told me there was no no way I could have it and

refused. The FFC tested me for it last month and I was positive. It is very

frustrating when your doctor's won't listen. That is why we are driving 2 hours

to Cleveland to see the doctor at the FFC and paying for it out of pocket. I

don't know if that would be a possibility for you, but if it is, I would check

it out.

Take care,

Dawn M

I'm certain I have a candida issue too, but doctors won't consider that.> >

Thanks Dirk,> > Dan

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