High cholesterol

[Guest guest]

Dear Jacqui,

Get another doctor. Yours is operating on an education that is 20 years out

of date.

The level of cholesterol in the blood means almost nothing.

Certainly it is no indication that it is necessary to add poisonous drugs

to your husbands diet.

People with low cholesterol, and good LDL/HDL ratios die of

heart attacks all the time.

The important factor is the level of homocysteine in the blood.

Here is an excerpt from my book:

Homocysteine, Methionine and Glutathione

----------------------------------------------------------

Homocysteine is an amino acid used by the body to build and maintain tissue.

It is produced by the body's metabolism of the amino acid methionine from

dietary protein.

Homocysteine is a necessary precursor for the production of glutathione, a

peptide made up of three amino acids (glycine, glutamic acid and cysteine).

The cysteine is derived from homocysteine. Glutathione is the most abundant

and most important detoxifier, the resupplier of Vitamin E. It functions as

a coenzyme in many redox reactions, and by changing the valence of iron, it

allows hemoglobin to pick up oxygen at the lungs. Glutathione is also

involved in the creation of important messenger molecules called

leukotrienes.

When its job is done, homocysteine is broken down in the liver with the aid

of Vitamin B6, Vitamin B12, Vitamin B9 (folic acid), magnesium and

unsaturated fats. Feverfew is a herb that helps this process as well.

A lack of the B vitamins and magnesium leads to a homocysteine crisis, in

which the overabundant amino damages the lining of the arteries, through

release of free radicals. A bacteria may then move in and start to flourish

at the damaged site, and the body responds to the damage by covering it with

a buildup of plaque, composed of cholesterol and calcium, leading to

atherosclerosis, impeded circulation, heart attack and stroke. A high

homocysteine level triples the risk of heart attack.

Homocysteine buildup can be avoided by ingesting Vitamins B3, B6, B9, B12

and magnesium. Sources for them are :

- B3 (niacin) : brewer's yeast, seafood, liver, sunflower seeds, wheat germ

- B6 (pyridoxine): brewer's yeast, vegetables, meat, liver, salmon, nuts,

sunflower seeds, wheat germ, wheat bran, brown rice, whole grains,

blackstrap molasses, bananas and eggs. If taking a supplement, do not exceed

200 mg daily.

- B9 (folic acid) : brewer's yeast, broccoli, spinach, asparagus, peas,

wheat germ, beets, romaine lettuce, oranges, pineapple, sunflower seeds,

kidney beans, soybeans, chickpeas, lentils, avocado, liver, tuna. If taking

a supplement, do not exceed 1 mg per day.

- B12 (cobalamin) is found in algae, aloe vera, tuna, meat, liver, eggs,

milk, cheese, yogurt, seafood, rice milk, bee pollen. It is also available

in sublingual pellets as a supplement, necessary for anyone over age 50,

when the body stops producing intrinsic factor in gastric juice, preventing

its availability from diet.

- magnesium : green vegetables, dairy, figs, seafood, blackstrap molasses,

kelp, rice,

brewers yeast, cashews, wheat germ, soybeans, oatmeal, almonds, bananas;

Concentrace; Homozon; Flora liquid cal/mag/Vit D/zinc

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

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High cholesterol

> Hi list,

> My husband just had a physical and was told that his LDL is 170. He is

very

> concerned about heart disease (his father died at age 41 of a bad heart

> valve).

> The doctor recommended medication as he felt diet would help him very

little.

> My husband is physically fit but has not regularly exercised in a while

(4

> yrs -since our son was born). He is determined to try changing his diet

> first before going to drugs. Can anyone pass along other suggestions for

> him? I am taking Homozon, would this help him as well?

> All input is appreciated...

> Jacqui

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jacqui,

Whatever else you do, I think you should read two books. Dr.

Batmanghelidj makes a powerful argument in his book, Your Body's Many

Cries For Water that the bad cholesteral is produced in the cells as a

response to cellular dehydration. And, the Bragg Foundation publishes a

booklet on apple cider vinegar that explains how that can & will help. I

strongly suggest you get both books & give them to your husband. They

will allow him to improve his health, vis a vis cholesteral, a great

deal with very little life-change. Certainly nothing as draconian as

eating good food & exercising. ;-).

IMO, developing the habit of regularly drinking plenty of water, and a

coupla times a day adding Bragg's apple cider vinegar & UNHEATED honey

are good habits to add to anyone's life!

jim

klinksinat1@... wrote:

>

> Hi list,

> My husband just had a physical and was told that his LDL is 170. He is very

> concerned about heart disease (his father died at age 41 of a bad heart

> valve).

> The doctor recommended medication as he felt diet would help him very little.

> My husband is physically fit but has not regularly exercised in a while (4

> yrs -since our son was born). He is determined to try changing his diet

> first before going to drugs. Can anyone pass along other suggestions for

> him? I am taking Homozon, would this help him as well?

> All input is appreciated...

> Jacqui

>

-----

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jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry

[Guest guest]

Those damn doctors! That last sentence really really makes me mad ! A

healthy diet and some form of exercise benefits everyone, especially people

prone to heart disease. Drugs can only cause more damage to the body. I

personally think that we humans can eat fat and assimilate it with no

problem... I think that the reason why we are so sick is because of the

other things we eat, like white flour, white sugar, and chemicals. Also

any kind of processed foods are a BIG no no. If I had a heart condition in

my family, I would stick with high quality proteins, beef, chicken and fish,

and lots of fresh veggies, with a few fruits thrown it. I do not believe

that steaks, eggs, avocados or real butter are " bad " for people. People who

order egg beaters for breakfast make me crazy as well as people who just eat

the whites ! Don't get me started on that egg subject. For me, the above

along with lots of pure water, has helped me immeasurably. CoQ10 was

recommended for heart health also. Maybe someone can recommend the proper

dosage? KAT Also I would recommend that everyone AVOID those " low fat "

products on the market, and any type of " diet " products with nutrasweet,

etc. I think they contribute to clogging the arteries. This is just my

opinion, of course, and I hope your husband will be well.

High cholesterol

My husband just had a physical and was told that his LDL is 170. He is very

concerned about heart disease (his father died at age 41 of a bad heart

valve).

The doctor recommended medication as he felt diet would help him very

little.

[Guest guest]

Dear Kat,

300 mg for Co Q10 is good.

Eggs contain lecithin and will help your body balance its cholesterol

levels.

The worst advice in the 70s was to stop eating eggs.

The best eggs are those from hens who are fed flax. Look around for them.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

High cholesterol

> My husband just had a physical and was told that his LDL is 170. He is

very

> concerned about heart disease (his father died at age 41 of a bad heart

> valve).

> The doctor recommended medication as he felt diet would help him very

> little.

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[Guest guest]

MK, I am sorry to disagree with you. But cholesterol level should be as

follows:

Desirable levels:

Total cholesterol below 200

LDL below 130 ( low density lipoprotein, the bad stuff that clogs arteries)

HDL above 60 ( high density lipoprotein, the good stuff that cleanses

arteries)

High risk for heart disease

Total Choleterol above 239

LDL above 159

HDL less than 35

At least that is what I read, quoted by Dr Hecht .The total is not

that important as long as the rest is balanced.

Christel

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

Any middle ground here???

Resonable communication seems in order here.

Maybe drugs are neccessary for the short term.... even with side

effects....

then wean the person off it.

Doctors receive very little if any nutritional training.

I suggest you work with your Doctor, your husbands peace of mind should

be

of utmost importance, to reduce stress. If your Doctor is not open to

diet changes,

then try and find a Doctor more sympathetic to supplementing diet

changes and

maybe another treatment.

Another opinion / viewpoint.

Mike Slivinski

snip Those damn doctors! That last sentence really really makes me mad !

A

healthy diet and some form of exercise benefits everyone, especially

people

prone to heart disease. Drugs can only cause more damage to the body. I

personally think that we humans can eat fat and assimilate it with no

problem... I think that the reason why we are so sick is because of the

other things we eat, like white flour, white sugar, and chemicals. Also

any kind of processed foods are a BIG no no. If I had a heart condition

in

my family, I would stick with high quality proteins, beef, chicken and

fish,

and lots of fresh veggies, with a few fruits thrown it. I do not believe

that steaks, eggs, avocados or real butter are " bad " for people. People

who

order egg beaters for breakfast make me crazy as well as people who just

eat

the whites ! Don't get me started on that egg subject. For me, the

above

along with lots of pure water, has helped me immeasurably. CoQ10 was

recommended for heart health also. Maybe someone can recommend the

proper

dosage? KAT Also I would recommend that everyone AVOID those " low

fat "

products on the market, and any type of " diet " products with nutrasweet,

etc. I think they contribute to clogging the arteries. This is just my

opinion, of course, and I hope your husband will be well.

High cholesterol

My husband just had a physical and was told that his LDL is 170. He is

very

concerned about heart disease (his father died at age 41 of a bad heart

valve).

The doctor recommended medication as he felt diet would help him very

little.

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[Guest guest]

Well, if lying out in the sun turns cholesterol into Vitamin D then I'm

going outside Here in Texas, it's still warm. I am sticking with Dr.

Pressman's remark that the numbers in cholesterol tests can be deceiving, as

I know people who had low cholesterol and suddenly dropped dead with heart

attack. There are other factors to be considered other than the numbers.

KAT

Re: RE: High cholesterol

Hello

I read that your cholesterol should be slightly Above 200, that in fact

lower than the preferred 200 makes your chances bigger of cardiac problems.

My last cholesterol was 235 and I wasn't worried. I'd intended to just lay

in the sun and let the rays turn the cholesterol into Vitamin D. But due to

increased stress, have completely forgotten about it. I'm having a physical

next week for new life insurance and Now I Remember:) Must try to remember

the sun this week:)

MK

[Guest guest]

The Same thing happened to my husband, he dropped 40 pounds,( you know how

those Mexican men love to eat) and his Blood cholesterol was so low that his

MD told him HEY you better eat some fat, and my husband said, that is all I

do eat!!! he re ran the test and it was the same....

I put my daughter on it and she lost 15 pounds

I think I will go and eat a side of bacon for dinner

[Guest guest]

My doctor said that following a vegetarian/vegan diet should help

cholesterol. Sometimes, it is genetic. It is important to get a full

breakdown of the good and bad cholesterol. If you look at just the total

number, mine seemed high, but when I had the full test, the doctor told

me my good cholesterol was high and that is a good thing! The test

should be done in the morning after not eating past 7pm. That also give

you the most accurate reading.

-Shaun

high cholesterol

Hi,

I'm so bummed! I had my cholesterol checked after 6 weeks on bfl and it

was

252. My triglycerides are 309. I really don't even know what that

means.

Any ideas on how I can lower my cholesterol. I'm not overweight. I'm

5'3

and 120 lbs and I follow bfl pretty closely. I know that sometimes it

is

genetic. Everytime I've had it checked it was over 240.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Have you been taking flax oil for those 6 weeks? If you have a genetic tendency

toward high cholesterol flax might not solve everything but it should help.

http://barleans.com/literature/flax/46-lowering-cholesterol.html

In addition to the healthy fats, try to get more of your carbs from low-sugar,

low-glycemic sources like oats, lentils, yams, beans, and berries; and less from

higher sugar sources like bars, fruit, and yogurt.

high cholesterol

Hi,

I'm so bummed! I had my cholesterol checked after 6 weeks on bfl and it was

252. My triglycerides are 309. I really don't even know what that means.

Any ideas on how I can lower my cholesterol. I'm not overweight. I'm 5'3

and 120 lbs and I follow bfl pretty closely. I know that sometimes it is

genetic. Everytime I've had it checked it was over 240.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions about high cholesterol. I

go back to the doctor in 4 weeks to have it retested. In the meantime I

plan to eat more fruits, veggies and I also bought some oat bran which I

heard was supposed to help. I have not been using flax oil, but started

yesterday at 's suggestion.

For anyone interested, I found that oat bran is actually very tasty. I

mixed 1/3 cup oat bran, 2/3 cup water and a few dried cranberries and

microwaved for 1.5 minutes. I then mixed in about 3/4 scoop of vanilla

precision protein and a little splenda. You can also mix in a tablespoon of

flax oil. It is yummy!

Thanks,

Re: high cholesterol

First off, sorry you are bummed.

What did your doctor say about your triglyceride levels? That is

high. Really your triglycerides are completely seperate from your

cholesterol levels. You could drop those without seeing any change

in cholesterol. Do you use soy products? My husband dropped his

from two seventy to seventy five. He eats fruits, veggies, good

fats, oats and soy.

Some people, like myself, have a genetic predisposition to high ldl

levels. This is what you want to look at. Cholesterol does not

necessarily imply " overweight " . You need to find out what your hdl,

ldl and vldl levels are. If you can do that then I can send you a

medical script on cholesterol - email private- remember, hdl is a

good cholesterol. In fact many doctors say that if your hdl is above

60 that rules out any higher ldl levels.

The first thing a doctor would do is ask for other factors, like

smoking, then tell you to get rid of saturated fats...high fat dairy

and meats. Next to add fruits and veggies, grains and then good

fats. Some people believe that higher doses of calcium help also.

C

[Guest guest]

I agree with , and I am taking Flax Oil, but I also feel you

should see your DR about it. My family has that genetic tendency

towards high cholesterol. It has to do with ones liver. I could go

into detail about it if you are interested.

My Father had triple bypass surgery although he was slender, not

smoking, watching fats, walking on the treadmill, etc. That's when we

found out through his DR and surgeon that he has that genetic

makeup. Us kids may or may not have it, but we don't want to fool

around with it all. I find that my cholesterol does go down when I'm

eating well, but I deal with palpitations, which have dramatically

decreased since starting the BFL diet/excercise. My sister quit

smoking, and I've started watching my diet which lead me to BFL.

Yadda, yadda...talk to your DR

JennA

> Have you been taking flax oil for those 6 weeks? If you have a

genetic tendency

> toward high cholesterol flax might not solve everything but it

should help.

>

> http://barleans.com/literature/flax/46-lowering-cholesterol.html

>

> In addition to the healthy fats, try to get more of your carbs from

low-sugar,

> low-glycemic sources like oats, lentils, yams, beans, and berries;

and less from

> higher sugar sources like bars, fruit, and yogurt.

>

>

>

>

> high cholesterol

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm so bummed! I had my cholesterol checked after 6 weeks on bfl

and it was

> 252. My triglycerides are 309. I really don't even know what that

means.

> Any ideas on how I can lower my cholesterol. I'm not overweight.

I'm 5'3

> and 120 lbs and I follow bfl pretty closely. I know that sometimes

it is

> genetic. Everytime I've had it checked it was over 240.

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

First off, sorry you are bummed.

What did your doctor say about your triglyceride levels? That is

high. Really your triglycerides are completely seperate from your

cholesterol levels. You could drop those without seeing any change

in cholesterol. Do you use soy products? My husband dropped his

from two seventy to seventy five. He eats fruits, veggies, good

fats, oats and soy.

Some people, like myself, have a genetic predisposition to high ldl

levels. This is what you want to look at. Cholesterol does not

necessarily imply " overweight " . You need to find out what your hdl,

ldl and vldl levels are. If you can do that then I can send you a

medical script on cholesterol - email private- remember, hdl is a

good cholesterol. In fact many doctors say that if your hdl is above

60 that rules out any higher ldl levels.

The first thing a doctor would do is ask for other factors, like

smoking, then tell you to get rid of saturated fats...high fat dairy

and meats. Next to add fruits and veggies, grains and then good

fats. Some people believe that higher doses of calcium help also.

C

[Guest guest]

Carol, your husband is a lucky man! Without you, and what you can teach him,

his out-

to-lunch doc would have him killing his heart and liver with expensive

prescriptions of

Lipitor and worse! You can fortify his resolve to get healthy by giving him the

following

MUST-READ book assignments:

1) 21 DAYS TO A HEALTHY HEART By Al

2) LEFT FOR DEAD by Quinn

3) THE FOURFOLD PATH TO HEALING by Tom Cowan

4) THE CHOLESTEROL MYTHS by Uffe Ravnskov

There is a STAGGERING MOUNTAIN of information proving his doctor (and the

not-really-

holistic magazine you saw) DEAD WRONG. Your husband should start

RUNNING.....RUNNING AWAY FROM THAT DOCTOR!! Not only was his advice obsolete, it

was never right in the first place (see book #4)!

I'm hoping your husband now has the motivation to change his life and continue

on the

path of good health. If you haven't read NOURISHING TRADITIONS by Sally Fallon,

pick it

up today. These books will give your husband 20-30 more years of blissful life.

Glad you are here,

Will

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[Guest guest]

Carol,

How is your hubby's thyroid levels? Unchecked thyroid levels can wreck

havoc on cholesterol readings. I wouldn't pay any attention to cholesterol

levels until the thyroid problem (if any) is addressed.

With time, the diet as put forth in NT and the other books Will

recommended, the cholesterol levels should stabilize (read: look a whole lot

more " normal " to allopathic doctors.) The sad fact remains: High cholesterol

has been demonized.

I'll give you a case point. I eat yummy organic butter, cream, raw milk,

lots of free range eggs, red meat...and my cholesterol levels are just fine.

Goes to show there's a whole lot more to health (and to life!) than just

cholesterol levels! Cholesterol levels is NOT " be all or end all " !

Sara R. - Eagan

Carol, your husband is a lucky man! Without you, and what you can teach him,

his out-

to-lunch doc would have him killing his heart and liver with expensive

prescriptions of

Lipitor and worse!

[Guest guest]

Will. Thank you for your reply and encouragement. :>) I will look for those

books. Thanks for the suggestions.

What baffles me is that we do have excellent diets, or at least I think we do.

We drink raw milk, eat grass fed beef and poultry, and lots of veggies and

fruit. We are have been cutting back on grains, but eat whole grains only

anyway.

Do you have specific suggestions reagrding the diet? Or which book would you

recommend starting with, not so much to prove the Dr wrong, but to help us

understand what we need to do to lower the cholesterol value given our current

diet? Thank you!

Carol

From: Will Winter

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:11 AM

Subject: Re: High cholesterol

Carol, your husband is a lucky man! Without you, and what you can teach him,

his out-

to-lunch doc would have him killing his heart and liver with expensive

prescriptions of

Lipitor and worse! You can fortify his resolve to get healthy by giving him

the following

MUST-READ book assignments:

1) 21 DAYS TO A HEALTHY HEART By Al

2) LEFT FOR DEAD by Quinn

3) THE FOURFOLD PATH TO HEALING by Tom Cowan

4) THE CHOLESTEROL MYTHS by Uffe Ravnskov

There is a STAGGERING MOUNTAIN of information proving his doctor (and the

not-really-

holistic magazine you saw) DEAD WRONG. Your husband should start

RUNNING.....RUNNING AWAY FROM THAT DOCTOR!! Not only was his advice obsolete,

it

was never right in the first place (see book #4)!

[Guest guest]

My husband has battled with high bad cholesterol and low good

cholesterol, and high triglycerides through the years, and I can trace

the ups and downs easily with exercise patterns and consumption of

refined grains and sugars.

Losing weight is a huge key as well, if overweight.

And you know what is SO interesting? When his numbers were the

absolute " worst " ever, we were on a vegan diet,and had been for years.

Also, my sister-in-law is a doctor and she says that she doesn't look

at the cholesterol as much, but more the inflammation levels as a

predictor of heart disease, and getting enough Omega 3 is crucial for

that.....she says it works as well as any medication, and she puts all

her patients on fish oils.

Homocysteine levels are also a predictor and she says that can be

reduced with B-complex.

Hope this helps. Your key is going to be in reading the books Will

recommended. I just wanted to share our personal experience with this.

[Guest guest]

Start today with " 21 Days to a Healthier Heart " since it's almost exclusively

about correcting

cardiovascular issues, and that blood test is motivating you right now. It will

give you the true

meaning of blood levels. AS YOU WILL READ, lowering his total cholesterol is not

really your

goal even though it was a nice motivational slap in the face.

Al is a local person and has been to our swap meets. You can buy the book

directly

from the author as he has an office at The Heart Foods Co. which is at 2235 E

38th St in

South Minneapolis (612-724-5266) or go to any good bookstore (Present Moment

has it).

There are at least 25 people here who can tell you what to do but it really is

better for you to

BE YOUR OWN DOCTORS NOW and get to studying, reading, working, starting today.

The

clear information out there will stun you.

Will

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[Guest guest]

Also with all that every one else has said add in daily doses of CLO! This

dropped my cholesterol levels by over 30 points as well as raised my good one by

20! My blood pressure has also gone way down too!

Kimi

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unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye

know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord. 1 Corinthians 15:58/KJV

Re: Re: High cholesterol

Carol,

How is your hubby's thyroid levels? Unchecked thyroid levels can wreck

havoc on cholesterol readings. I wouldn't pay any attention to cholesterol

levels until the thyroid problem (if any) is addressed.

With time, the diet as put forth in NT and the other books Will

recommended, the cholesterol levels should stabilize (read: look a whole lot

more " normal " to allopathic doctors.) The sad fact remains: High cholesterol

has been demonized.

I'll give you a case point. I eat yummy organic butter, cream, raw milk,

lots of free range eggs, red meat...and my cholesterol levels are just fine.

Goes to show there's a whole lot more to health (and to life!) than just

cholesterol levels! Cholesterol levels is NOT " be all or end all " !

Sara R. - Eagan

Carol, your husband is a lucky man! Without you, and what you can teach

him, his out-

to-lunch doc would have him killing his heart and liver with expensive

prescriptions of

Lipitor and worse!

[Guest guest]

His thyroid levels seem fine, it was at .8 on a range of .5 - 5.5. Thanks for

your tips, he has to check it in 2 months time again. I have requested the

books from the library and look forward to reading them. Thanks fory our reply!

-s---- Original Message -----

From: Sara R.

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:03 AM

Subject: Re: Re: High cholesterol

Carol,

How is your hubby's thyroid levels? Unchecked thyroid levels can wreck

havoc on cholesterol readings. I wouldn't pay any attention to cholesterol

levels until the thyroid problem (if any) is addressed.

[Guest guest]

His thyroid levels seem fine, it was at .8 on a range of .5 - 5.5. Thanks for

your tips, he has to check it in 2 months time again. I have requested the

books from the library and look forward to reading them. Thanks fory our reply!

-s---- Original Message -----

From: Sara R.

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:03 AM

Subject: Re: Re: High cholesterol

Carol,

How is your hubby's thyroid levels? Unchecked thyroid levels can wreck

havoc on cholesterol readings. I wouldn't pay any attention to cholesterol

levels until the thyroid problem (if any) is addressed.

[Guest guest]

He does take fish oil everyday to combat his arthritis in his hips, so he should

have plenty of omega 3's? Maybe he is not taking enough. He takes 2 pills

equivalent to 600 mg EPA and 400 mg DHA.

His wholistic treatment of his arthritis has taken away nealy 100% of the pain

in his hips. He has not been back to the ortho Dr who told him to lose weight

and come back for hip replacements (he is 37 y/o!) My point is, he is sold on

wholistic ideas but I am just not certain what more we can do. Maybe the books

will add insight.

We have almost 0 refined sugar and truly 0 refined flour in our diets. Sugar is

usually cane juice crystals or succanat. Do you know what tests he could

request that look at inflammation? I actually have his values in hand now and

it is 253 for total cholesterol and 51 for HDL and 179 for LDL.

He did suggest last night that perhaps they are coming down and they were sky

high? We just started an organic diet with no refined grais in fall, and that

is about when he started exersizing too. We moved in August and we lived in a

hotel for 6 weeks, and ate out a lot and had a lot of microwave dinners we could

make at the hotel. 6 weeks of that probably did not help things either, but I

am uncertain if his theory is realistic or not. Any higher that 250 is

dangerous, right?

Thanks again for your input and ideas.

Carol F

Re: High cholesterol

My husband has battled with high bad cholesterol and low good

cholesterol, and high triglycerides through the years, and I can trace

the ups and downs easily with exercise patterns and consumption of

refined grains and sugars.

Losing weight is a huge key as well, if overweight.

And you know what is SO interesting? When his numbers were the

absolute " worst " ever, we were on a vegan diet,and had been for years.

Also, my sister-in-law is a doctor and she says that she doesn't look

at the cholesterol as much, but more the inflammation levels as a

predictor of heart disease, and getting enough Omega 3 is crucial for

that.....she says it works as well as any medication, and she puts all

her patients on fish oils.

[Guest guest]

WOW that is high,

it usually should go down. I do not have an opinion because mine is under

normal, 100.

You might want to retaket and see were your " good colesterol " is at.

I have buttler only once a week when I cook mushrooms for my stake, otherwise

no butter, no oils, no fats at all.

There is no call out of any kind of oil in the band foods, sometims I replace

the butter for olive oil.

Lidia

mkwillie2003 <bnmwms@...> wrote:

Has anyone's cholesterol actually gone up since they lost weight? I

had a free screening and my cholesterol was 293! I expected it to be

much lower as I think I am pretty good most of the time. Lost 50

pounds, no, or almost no fast food, minimum fried foods and when I do

stir fry veggies I use olive oil or canola oil. My biggest " sin " is

honey butter on rice cakes once in a while. And, I havn't had them in

a couple of weeks :-( What gives???? Should I be on meds??? I am 59

and weigh 174, 5'1 "

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[Guest guest]

Hi This is totally normal. As we lose weight we have to process all

that fat in our liver. This was explained to me in great detail by my

doctor, but I hear like Charlie Browns mom talks- (BNAA BUT NAA NAA)

But the details I got were. It is a spike, it will go away. no need to

take statins, come back in three months and keep an eye on it. When I

went back three months later it was down 20 points and as I am still

trying to lose weight I suspect it will take a while to go all the way

back down. At my highest it was never over 200 and now its 230

something. I chose to wait as long as i can till i go on statins.

mila_cm

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Dr. Montgomery

>

> Has anyone's cholesterol actually gone up since they lost weight? I

> had a free screening and my cholesterol was 293! I expected it to be

> much lower as I think I am pretty good most of the time. Lost 50

> pounds, no, or almost no fast food, minimum fried foods and when I do

> stir fry veggies I use olive oil or canola oil. My biggest " sin " is

> honey butter on rice cakes once in a while. And, I havn't had them in

> a couple of weeks :-( What gives???? Should I be on meds??? I am 59

> and weigh 174, 5'1 "

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, mila - welcome!

Different docs have differnet views on this cholesterol spike with

weight loss. Many do want us to use meds, if we have other risk

factors for heart problems - as a great many of us do. A high

cholesterol for even a few months is dangerous, as it adds

considerable plaque to the arteries. We ae all already at serious

risk of heart attack, stroke, and more.

Sandy r

> >

> > Has anyone's cholesterol actually gone up since they lost

weight? I

> > had a free screening and my cholesterol was 293! I expected it

to be

> > much lower as I think I am pretty good most of the time. Lost 50

> > pounds, no, or almost no fast food, minimum fried foods and when

I do

> > stir fry veggies I use olive oil or canola oil. My biggest " sin "

is

> > honey butter on rice cakes once in a while. And, I havn't had

them in

> > a couple of weeks :-( What gives???? Should I be on meds??? I

am 59

> > and weigh 174, 5'1 "

> >

>