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Yeah, I've put in plenty of time in hospitals protecting family and

friends since I first read that kind of advice. Luckily, none of my

family or friends have had to be in as long as you were.

I'm thankful to your wife for being there to protect you from the

evils to be found in hospitals and I pray you are never in need of a

hospital again.

Luci

--- In gallstones , " Will Winter " <holistic@v...>

wrote:

> and all,

> This has been a day of mourning --and celebration--for me. A year

ago today

> I entered the hospital after being hauled to the ER with a

gallstone-induced

> pancreatitis which had caused me to go from the usual pain to

vomiting and

> collapse. What I needed the most was the morphine and diluadid to

kill the

> pain. I was mostly gorked out and in that bed for the next 11

days.

>

> My dear wife basically saved my life by sleeping on the floor in

my room and

> being present virtually 24 hours a day to guard me. If I learned

anything, it

> was to HAVE A LOVED ONE with you when you are in the hospital. If

no one

> is in your life that loves you that much, get with it. It's

truly a dangerous

> place and vulnerable people there are killed and maimed every

day. If

> someone you love or care about is who in the hospital it behooves

you to

> guard them until they get strong enough to be safe. It's that

simple.

>

> As much as I'd like to get rid of the anger I have about the level

of care I got

> and the unwillingness by medical professionals to add even such

simple

> things as Vitamin C and Vitamin E for ICU patients, I can't

forgive them

> because of things they know they should do and then chose not to.

>

> But today, thanks to the many things I have learned since one year

ago, I

> was able to go to the wonderful State Fair, eat a multitude of

good foods, and

> wander freely enjoying the fresh Autumn air. As I sat and pondered

things

> today, I couldn't help but think about and send a prayer to all

the people lying

> now in hospital beds and suffering all around the world while we

go about

> enjoying our life.

>

> I'm fortunate that my pain and suffering was severe enough to make

me

> change my life. I know that I know I will be motivated for life to

do the things I

> need to do to never have to go back into a hospital as a patient

again. In

> addition, if there is anything I can do to save one other person

from going in, I

> will do it. Eventually, I hope that I will rise above the anger

and resentment

> that I still feel. I know it is something I need to do to get

totally healed.

>

> Thanks to everyone here,

> Will, safe at home in Minneapolis

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Sorry to hear of your hospital experience. Next time remember to

complain as loud as you can. they will move earth to shut you up.

And there is always a way for them to contact a doctor to prescribe

pain meds - it's just easier to try to keep you quiet and do avoid the

hassle.

If anything like this happens again, be sure to document it and write

a letter of complaint to the hospital officials. Hard copy has weight.

Suzanne

> After my hospitalization a month ago I agree totally that you MUST have

> someone with you there 24/7. ........... Then shift change and late that

> evening my IV became horribly infiltrated. Although my arm was huge the

> nurses refused to remove it as they could not find another " good "

vein. AND

> I was getting NO post op pain relief since IV was not in vein. I was in

> agony and I begged for even a Tylenol to no avail as it was not

ordered and

> they would not call the doctor. I had a night of hell for no good or

even

> humane reason.

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Hi Judith & Suzanne -

I just wanted to tell you what I did when I was in the hospital this year,

and thought it was so dumb of me to have never thought of it before!

One of the times I was in the hospital in June with pancreatitis, they

wouldn't increase my pain meds and said I had to wait for the dr to

see me the next day. So I did the same thing I would have done

if I was home, in pain - I called the dr's office, left a msg w/the

service that I was in the hospital in lots of pain, and I needed to

speak to him - I gave them the phone # of my room. He called

me back w/in 15 min, I told him what was going on, he said he'd

take care of it and he did. Within another 15 min, they doubled

my pain meds - and I was drugged into oblivion which is what I

wanted since the pain was so severe.

The last time I was in the hospital (different one from the above

story) in June recovering from pancreatitis, the intern said on

Fri morn, if I was okay over the weekend, I could expect to

go home Mon or Tues. Well, I'd already been in the

hospital(s) for most of the month, and I knew I was feeling as good

as I was going to get, and it was my second day eating solid foods,

so I called (different) dr (this time), got his service, and said I'm

in the hospital, I don't think I need to be here any longer, and I

want to speak to my dr and gave the phone # to my room.

He called me w/in 5 minutes, asked how much had I eaten & when,

did I keep it down, did I need much pain meds, and said since my

bloodwork all came back great, sure I could go home as long

as I truly felt better. I said I did, he was there w/in an hr signing

my release papers! By the time my husband came over after work

to visit me, I was getting my IV out and all dressed and ready to leave.

So, just because the hospital staff isn't doing what you need them

to do, nobody ever said you can't contact your dr yourself. Please,

remember that if/when you're ever hospitalized and feel like you're

at their mercy - you do have a phone in your room - USE IT!

Cathie in PA

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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 03:37:01 -0000

From: " Suzanne " <suzanne_on_ca@...>

Sorry to hear of your hospital experience. Next time remember to

complain as loud as you can. they will move earth to shut you up.

And there is always a way for them to contact a doctor to prescribe

pain meds - it's just easier to try to keep you quiet and do avoid the

hassle.

If anything like this happens again, be sure to document it and write

a letter of complaint to the hospital officials. Hard copy has weight.

Suzanne

> After my hospitalization a month ago I agree totally that you MUST have

> someone with you there 24/7. ........... Then shift change and late that

> evening my IV became horribly infiltrated. Although my arm was huge the

> nurses refused to remove it as they could not find another " good " vein.

> AND

> I was getting NO post op pain relief since IV was not in vein. I was in

> agony and I begged for even a Tylenol to no avail as it was not ordered

> and

> they would not call the doctor. I had a night of hell for no good or even

> humane reason.

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Applause for Cathie! Excellent solutions for your situations!

You're right that it's obvious, but I have certainly never thought

of doing it. Thanks for the new weapon in my medical arsenal.

Lucinda

> Hi Judith & Suzanne -

> I just wanted to tell you what I did when I was in the hospital

this year,

> and thought it was so dumb of me to have never thought of it

before!

> One of the times I was in the hospital in June with pancreatitis,

they

> wouldn't increase my pain meds and said I had to wait for the dr to

> see me the next day. So I did the same thing I would have done

> if I was home, in pain - I called the dr's office, left a msg w/the

> service that I was in the hospital in lots of pain, and I needed to

> speak to him - I gave them the phone # of my room. He called

> me back w/in 15 min, I told him what was going on, he said he'd

> take care of it and he did. Within another 15 min, they doubled

> my pain meds - and I was drugged into oblivion which is what I

> wanted since the pain was so severe.

> The last time I was in the hospital (different one from the above

> story) in June recovering from pancreatitis, the intern said on

> Fri morn, if I was okay over the weekend, I could expect to

> go home Mon or Tues. Well, I'd already been in the

> hospital(s) for most of the month, and I knew I was feeling as good

> as I was going to get, and it was my second day eating solid foods,

> so I called (different) dr (this time), got his service, and said

I'm

> in the hospital, I don't think I need to be here any longer, and I

> want to speak to my dr and gave the phone # to my room.

> He called me w/in 5 minutes, asked how much had I eaten & when,

> did I keep it down, did I need much pain meds, and said since my

> bloodwork all came back great, sure I could go home as long

> as I truly felt better. I said I did, he was there w/in an hr

signing

> my release papers! By the time my husband came over after work

> to visit me, I was getting my IV out and all dressed and ready to

leave.

> So, just because the hospital staff isn't doing what you need them

> to do, nobody ever said you can't contact your dr yourself.

Please,

> remember that if/when you're ever hospitalized and feel like you're

> at their mercy - you do have a phone in your room - USE IT!

> Cathie in PA

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  • 4 weeks later...

Yay! I have some Burts Bees lip balm and some lip-color-stick in my

pocket as I type this! I love the way they make my lips feel!

Luci

> Cathie, I applaud your abiltity to out-think the system. I would

have never

> thought of doing that but will certainly keep it in mind for next

time. I

> have never been that clear headed and rational when in pain. Also

I make

> sure I have a family member bring my make up to me in hospital.

Slapping a

> little blush on and a big (fake is okay) smile and being very very

agreeable

> has helped get me out of the hospital a couple of times.

> Judith

>

>

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