flu

[Guest guest]

Lashanna Small wrote:

> Flu or Food Poisoning?

> This year's flu season has been called an epidemic....

> However, according to the American Dietetic Association, what very often

> seems like the flu may actually be a foodborne illness. In a joint effort

> with Congra, the ADA recently launched a program entitled " Home Food Safety:

> It's in Your Hands " that stated more than 76 million people are sickened

> each year by foodborne illness. The difficulty in determining whether or not

> you have the flu, according to the report, is that the symptoms of the flu

> are very similar to food poisoning.

My sometimes enlightened and sometimes no so enlightened prof in microbiology

told us

that there is probably no such thing as the 24 hour flu. So that would be

another clue -

if it only lasts a day or 2, probably food poisoning.

[Guest guest]

They forgot to mention the most important prevention, DO NOT EAT OUT!! You

have no control over the preparation of the food, and can only hope that the

cooks/servers are washing their hands as needed.

>Flu or Food Poisoning?

>>

>Zied and the ADA agree that a few simple strategies can significantly

>reduce

>risks for foodborne illnesses.

>„h Wash Hands Often. Such an obvious task is often overlooked.

>Surprisingly, 44% of food preparers fail to wash their hands properly with

>soap and warm water for at least 20 seconds before meal preparation.

>„h Keep Raw Meats and Ready-to-Eat Foods Separate. Always use two

>cutting boards if possible and always thoroughly wash and sanitize boards

>between use with raw meat and other foods.

>„h Cook to Proper Temperatures. While 74% of those polled know that

>eating meat not cooked to proper temperatures can cause food poisoning,

>only

>12% use meat thermometers to check doneness.

>„h Refrigerate Promptly Below 40 degrees. Cooling and storing foods

>below 40 degrees Fahrenheit takes food out of the 'danger zone' and reduces

>bacterial growth significantly. Leftovers left in room temperature over 2

>hours should be discarded

>

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Dear Judy,

I live in Nevada. I haven't really heard of the flu much out here yet

either. Maybe it's originating with ME this year. Instead of the Hong Kong

flu or the Beijing flu, it'll be the Reno flu this year. Or just 's flu.

Cough, cough, hack, hack,

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Yes, believe me, we're having caterers. That was not even up for

discussion. And yes, I have been dumping all the vitamin C, echinacea, orange

juice, and anything else I can think of down my hubby. The only good thing

about having a sick male in the house is that all the females you know can

laugh along with you. It's one of those universals. I'm starting to get the

blow-by-blow from him as each symptom progresses - never mind that I am ALL

TOO FAMILIAR with each one of those symptoms... Men, I tell ya...

Cleaning lady? Maybe. I've never been able to handle the thought of

someone else dealing with my filth. Especially after a week like this.

And on top of all this, Annie's therapist today agreed that she is

developing symptoms of an eating disorder. Great. We're hoping it's going to

be a short-term thing, related to the orthodontic hardware. I guess we could

always get the braces removed so the " food globules " issue doesn't continue

to grow.

Thanks for the support and suggestions. I have to go comfort my dying husband

now who just walked in, coughing dramatically.

[Guest guest]

Just be sure it is the flu and not anthrax--what did the doctor say? You have

been...right?

in Nebraska

Re: flu

Dear Judy,

I live in Nevada. I haven't really heard of the flu much out here yet

either. Maybe it's originating with ME this year. Instead of the Hong Kong

flu or the Beijing flu, it'll be the Reno flu this year. Or just 's flu.

Cough, cough, hack, hack,

[Guest guest]

We FINALLY got in to the health clinic today so that " us girls " could get a

flu shot (plus Christi got one extra). We figured that, with spring break

coming up, we might see an increase in our area after all the kids get home

and it's been the first time we were all healthy enough to get it. Here

Sam gets stuck every month with that IV, but you would have though his

world had come to an end seeing his sisters get those shots. He was so sad

and sympathetic. What a sweetie! Now if I can just get to go in......

I always feel lousy for a couple of days after I get it, so I think I'll

take some Nyquil and just go to bed now!

God bless,

Wenoka

At 01:33 PM 02/19/2003 EST, you wrote:

>I don't know if this is happening in any of your areas or not, but, since

>January 6 HEALTHY kids have died from the flu in Western Michigan area. This

>is very scary. The county health department said that flu symptoms with high

>fever is developing extremely fast in to pneumonia and causing these deaths.

>Usually this doesn't happen to kids, but to people over age 65 or otherwise

>immune compromised. This particular time it has happened to perfectly

healthy

>children. Ages range from 14-5. Apparently, the kids have the flu, then

>literally overnight their lungs fill up with fluid. I just wanted to

mention

>this so that you already ever vigilant parents can be even more vigilant

when

>you child has the flu. It can be deadly. My non pid kid, Kaila had this flu

>last week, she was horribly sick but eventually got better. I believe with

>all my heart that the flu shot my doctor made us all get because of Kody

>saved Kaila's life this time.

>

>Diane, Mom to Kody age 7, Di Syndrome, Hypogammaglobulinemia,

Epilepsy,

>Asthma, CAPD, VID, Developemental Disorders, also Proud Mom to Arika 15,

>Kaila 11, and Sami 9.

[Guest guest]

I just had a flu shot

>From: jb50192@...

>Reply-SLL-CLL-edu

>SLL-CLL-edu

>Subject: Flu

>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:29:39 EST

>

>It would be interesting to hear what folks are doing about the flu threat

>this year. We all have so-so immune systems. Acycclovir? Echinacia? Hand

>washing?

>(Of course...). I'm contacting my oncs to see what they recommend.

>

>Good Health!

>

> Balan

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,

There are approx 4 Flu medications that can help prevent the ful. My advice would be to get a perscription to one of these four, the one that will last the longest in the frig and have it on had to take when the flu starts grabbing everyone near you. Just a little help at the time needed.

Also, I am so very much affected by the recent deaths of so many of our fellow blood brothers and sisters. I just lost my complete home and all my belongings of a lifetime in the Hills of San Diego, in the Cedar Fire. I feel a great personal loss for that but in no way can I compare it to losing one of the CLL warriors. Materials things will come again, to save our lives is the ultimate goal.

Cheers to all and fight on, Kurt

Ps. Had my flu shot two weeks ago. The experts say that 50 to 80 thousand are going to die in the next few months from flu.

Can it be possible? All I can say is damn, give us a break all ready..............K.

Flu>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:29:39 EST>>It would be interesting to hear what folks are doing about the flu threat>this year. We all have so-so immune systems. Acycclovir? Echinacia? Hand >washing?>(Of course...). I'm contacting my oncs to see what they recommend.>>Good Health!>> Balan_________________________________________________________________Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Kurt - I'm with you on the sympathy for our fallen friends......

But losing everything in the fire, wow, what a lousy break!!! Can you

rebuild? What does the insurance say? Much good luck with it, I'm sure certain

things

can never be replaced.

On the four meds you mention, I'm aware of rimantadine, acyclovir and have

heard about a couple of others. What are the four you are thinking of?

Good health!

Balan

[Guest guest]

At 07:45 AM 12/04/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>All I hear about on the news here is about the flu and how most of the

>people seriously ill and dying were not vaccinated (2 links below from today

>s news.) Is there a reason the flu is so deadly this year? I don't

>remember hearing about it so much in previous years.

>

>

>Flu Sickens More Than 6,300 in Colorado

>http://customwire.ap

>org/dynamic/stories/F/FLU_OUTBREAK?SITE=OKOKL & SECTION=HOME & TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

>

>

>Flu vaccines in demand across state

>http://www.newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=1130952 & pic=none & TP=

It is about MARKETING for flu vaccine

There is a strain 'they say' that is more deadly

BUt it wasn't even put in the flu vaccine anyway

So the push to get vaccine is for a vaccine that doesn't even have the

strain, even if it did work

Marketing for $$$$$$$$$

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

I really have to chuckle that their numbers about how many in CO have the

flu....that is only the ones that have had it tested....I know of several

families that have had it and didn't even go to the dr for it. I wish I had

been as smart..I took the kids in for something else and they tested for flu

and both tests came back positive. One nurse told me she wanted to test to

be sure if was flu and for the numbers...I let her...I should have told her

to pay for it herself then! I went because my mom was worried about the

kids...I should know better but alas...I caved...not again. Just because

she is my mom and has lived longer doesn't mean she knows more all the

time..hehe.. They tried the scare tactics on me. " oh you better get a flu

vax next year, you will get this because your kid have it, (I didn't get it,

thanks to oscilloccinum), they have a flu vax for kids now, oh if you don't

give her the medicine she will get really sick " ....the list goes on...both

of my older kids did get it but they had mild cases I guess..because they

weren't that sick. Now they just have the cough left over from it. So

really..if 7000 people have contracted the killer flu and only 5-6 have

died..that doesn't seem that bad to me, albiet sad. I hate that children

have died from this and I don't understand what exactly they are dying from.

Don't buy into the scare tactics....(not even your parent's..hehe)

Learning slowly some days,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the nice thoughts, it does help just to let others know and to hear words of understanding, I guess that's really what these web sites are for, so we can communicate about it all. Moving on is the only option, so I will do what I can with either rebuilding or buying another property or buying a 60 ft boat instead with three berths and live the adventure while I still can. My Mom and Dad are ready for anything I do. Thelma is my mom, I am single and my Dad is Stan and they are both in their mid 80s and I am very lucky to have them in my life. My best friends. So, again with their help I will deal with all this and with some insurance, some things weren't insured. Life is a bitch sometimes, but it's better than the alternative any day, so on with the fun right!

The other med I know of for the Flu is 'Flumadine (sp?)', so maybe someone else will give us the third one. Now the trick will be to find out which one of these is available and can be prescribed by our physicians for our life support and which one or ones can we get and keep in the fridge until we see the outbreaks around us. That is how it would work in my best case scenario. I am thinking of my parents also. I'm working on apts. with my docs now and hopefully will find out some of this.

Anyone who knows about this please fill us all in. Thanks, Kurt

Re: Flu

Kurt - I'm with you on the sympathy for our fallen friends......But losing everything in the fire, wow, what a lousy break!!! Can you rebuild? What does the insurance say? Much good luck with it, I'm sure certain things can never be replaced.On the four meds you mention, I'm aware of rimantadine, acyclovir and have heard about a couple of others. What are the four you are thinking of?Good health! Balan

[Guest guest]

Sherri,

How can one become a classical homeopath?

Kurt

HealthyHomeTips@...

Re: Flu

At 07:45 AM 12/04/2003 -0600, you wrote:

>All I hear about on the news here is about the flu and how most of the

>people seriously ill and dying were not vaccinated (2 links below from today

>s news.) Is there a reason the flu is so deadly this year? I don't

>remember hearing about it so much in previous years.

>

>

>Flu Sickens More Than 6,300 in Colorado

>http://customwire.ap

>org/dynamic/stories/F/FLU_OUTBREAK?SITE=OKOKL & SECTION=HOME & TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

>

>

>Flu vaccines in demand across state

>http://www.newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=1130952 & pic=none & TP=

It is about MARKETING for flu vaccine

There is a strain 'they say' that is more deadly

BUt it wasn't even put in the flu vaccine anyway

So the push to get vaccine is for a vaccine that doesn't even have the

strain, even if it did work

Marketing for $$$$$$$$$

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Becky,

We are praying for a quick recovery for Maddie. Cassie is still feeling the

ill effects of the flu. It has taken hold of her respiratory wise and we

can't seem to shake the asthma episodes. She has been put on steroids for

the 3rd week now. She usually responds very well after a 5 day course.

But, this flu has really been bad here in Texas. I hope Maddie has an

easier time with it since she was vaccinated anyway. Good luck.

Belinda Rose,

Mom to Allyssa and Cassie (9), igg immunodeficient, asthma, sinusitis, IVIG

for 7 years, heart condition

[Guest guest]

At 12:47 AM 12/05/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>hi rachael,

>yes, i agree it is sad that these children died. but

>i'm pretty sure they didn't die from the flu! more

>likely the mismanagement of it...

>claudia

>

Who knows as we never get all the facts

I will say

1. That people do die of illness

2. Usually there is

a. immune system impairment

b. nutritional deficits

3. Vaccines just before can be the reason they got sick - flu vax or any

others, seriously impairing the immune system

4. Vaccines given from infancy, impair the immune system in general

5. Not experiencing the diseases that we had evolved to experiencing in

childhood that build the immune system

6. Treating every little thing that comes along so the immune system never

gets a chance to 'exercise' and develop

7. Tylenol for everything - tylenol in my opinion can cause many of the

deaths and I know people use it like candy

It impairs the liver VERY much and the liver is SO needed as it is the

organ that detoxifies

8. In fact, I will go so far as to say that I think Tylenol is implicated

far more than anyone knowns in autism and other vaccine damage - the combo,

or just using Tylenol only

9. And mismanagment after becoming ill or the drugs that are used to treat

these children/adults

10. We never hear the whole story - only the scare tactics

Again read the article I sent out on Death by Medicine

LONG but worth printing out and sharing

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Excellent points, Sheri. I get sooo tired of hearing people on boards that I'm

on flipping out because the media is talking about all these deaths and how

horrible the flu is this year blah blah blah. They just don't get it that we

don't know the whole story on any of these deaths. I think it's terrible that

anyone is dying, but we don't know that it's actually from the flu anyway!

Kay (wondering what they'll come up with next after the " flu season " is over in

the spring???)

****************

Who knows as we never get all the facts

I will say

1. That people do die of illness

2. Usually there is

a. immune system impairment

b. nutritional deficits

3. Vaccines just before can be the reason they got sick - flu vax or any

others, seriously impairing the immune system

4. Vaccines given from infancy, impair the immune system in general

5. Not experiencing the diseases that we had evolved to experiencing in

childhood that build the immune system

6. Treating every little thing that comes along so the immune system never

gets a chance to 'exercise' and develop

7. Tylenol for everything - tylenol in my opinion can cause many of the

deaths and I know people use it like candy

It impairs the liver VERY much and the liver is SO needed as it is the

organ that detoxifies

8. In fact, I will go so far as to say that I think Tylenol is implicated

far more than anyone knowns in autism and other vaccine damage - the combo,

or just using Tylenol only

9. And mismanagment after becoming ill or the drugs that are used to treat

these children/adults

10. We never hear the whole story - only the scare tactics

Again read the article I sent out on Death by Medicine

LONG but worth printing out and sharing

Sheri

[Guest guest]

> hi rachael,

> yes, i agree it is sad that these children died. but

> i'm pretty sure they didn't die from the flu! more

> likely the mismanagement of it...

> claudia

Hi ,

I agree.. Even my " holistic " doctor says to take tylenol..as if " take

tylenol " equates with " take care of yourself " . I know very few people

who would think to let a fever run its course and not suppress it

with tylenol or ibuprofen.

-

[Guest guest]

At 07:22 AM 12/05/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>Excellent points, Sheri. I get sooo tired of hearing people on boards

that I'm on flipping out because the media is talking about all these

deaths and how horrible the flu is this year blah blah blah. They just

don't get it that we don't know the whole story on any of these deaths. I

think it's terrible that anyone is dying, but we don't know that it's

actually from the flu anyway!

>

>Kay (wondering what they'll come up with next after the " flu season " is

over in the spring???)

YOu are welcome to use the points I've made and share them anywhere and

everywhere as your own or from me

>****************

>

> Who knows as we never get all the facts

> I will say

> 1. That people do die of illness

> 2. Usually there is

> a. immune system impairment

> b. nutritional deficits

> 3. Vaccines just before can be the reason they got sick - flu vax or any

> others, seriously impairing the immune system

> 4. Vaccines given from infancy, impair the immune system in general

> 5. Not experiencing the diseases that we had evolved to experiencing in

> childhood that build the immune system

> 6. Treating every little thing that comes along so the immune system never

> gets a chance to 'exercise' and develop

> 7. Tylenol for everything - tylenol in my opinion can cause many of the

> deaths and I know people use it like candy

> It impairs the liver VERY much and the liver is SO needed as it is

the

> organ that detoxifies

> 8. In fact, I will go so far as to say that I think Tylenol is implicated

> far more than anyone knowns in autism and other vaccine damage - the combo,

> or just using Tylenol only

> 9. And mismanagment after becoming ill or the drugs that are used to treat

> these children/adults

> 10. We never hear the whole story - only the scare tactics

>

> Again read the article I sent out on Death by Medicine

> LONG but worth printing out and sharing

> Sheri

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

What do you recommend doing for fever? I have an 18mth old baby girl who

has been running

fever off and on for two days. Also, at what point is fever at dangerous

level?

Thanks,

kelsey

At 01:51 PM 12/5/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>

> > hi rachael,

> > yes, i agree it is sad that these children died. but

> > i'm pretty sure they didn't die from the flu! more

> > likely the mismanagement of it...

> > claudia

>

>

>Hi ,

>I agree.. Even my " holistic " doctor says to take tylenol..as if " take

>tylenol " equates with " take care of yourself " . I know very few people

>who would think to let a fever run its course and not suppress it

>with tylenol or ibuprofen.

>

>-

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'll add Maddie to our list. We've been praying for Cassie, too! I'm sorry

to hear that Cassie is still struggling.

Our wonderfully cautious ped encouraged us to pull Rebekah from activities

with other children as of Sunday and the flu in our town is still the one in

the shot!

Pam

who currently loves her cautious peed who doesn't make her feel utterly

paranoid and weird!

Re: Flu

Becky,

We are praying for a quick recovery for Maddie. Cassie is still feeling the

ill effects of the flu. It has taken hold of her respiratory wise and we

can't seem to shake the asthma episodes. She has been put on steroids for

the 3rd week now. She usually responds very well after a 5 day course.

But, this flu has really been bad here in Texas. I hope Maddie has an

easier time with it since she was vaccinated anyway. Good luck.

Belinda Rose,

Mom to Allyssa and Cassie (9), igg immunodeficient, asthma, sinusitis, IVIG

for 7 years, heart condition

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I use OSCILLOCOCCINUM for flu symptoms - it's a homeopathic medicene. We have

used it with very good results - I keep it on hand because you use it at the

first sign of symptoms and it is safe for ages 2 and up!

Blessings

Connie

[Guest guest]

I use OSCILLOCOCCINUM for flu symptoms - it's a homeopathic medicene. We have

used it with very good results - I keep it on hand because you use it at the

first sign of symptoms and it is safe for ages 2 and up!

Blessings

Connie

[Guest guest]

I don't know if it's true, but I heard from others keeping up on the

news that some had it and some did not.

> Does anyone know if the children that died from the flu in

> Colorado had there flu shots? I am hearing alot on the

> news and it has really got me worried.

>

> Marcy

[Guest guest]

My understanding is that certain flu strains are more common every

few years, and that each spring a committee of experts decides what

are the most likely three strains expected for the following

winter. It then takes six months to develop the vaccine. The cases

seen early this season are of a strain not covered by the current

flu shot, but it is closely related to one of the strains covered by

the vaccine, thereby providing some protection. As in previous

years even with vaccination, one can occasionally acquire the flu,

even the strains covered by the flu shot, but then the symptoms are

much milder. Bacterial pneumonia can be a secondary complication

from having a viral flu.

Hope this helps.

Randall

> I have also heard that for some reason the flu shot is not as

strong this year and that what is so bad about this yrs flu is it

is causing a staph like infection in the lungs--really scary!

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 07:57 PM 12/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:

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>

>Do we know if there is more than one strain of flu flying around right now?

>

>I ask because I got it. My daughter was vomiting Friday night, and my son

Monday evening. Neither had a fever, very slight runny nose, and that's

it. Both it lasted around 12 hours. I've had it for 3 days. No upset

stomach, but foggy head, exhaustion, sneezing my fool brains out, wicked

muscle aches, like a vice between my shoulderblades, and oddly enough, the

tendon on the back of my left knee is painful and I can't straighten the

leg, gimping around hunched over like a miserable old woman, lol!

>

>But it's not as bad as they all are saying, what we have/had anyway. So

I'm wondering if these means we're safe now from the awful one? Or do we

have a chance of getting nailed yet again this season?

>

>

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Its NOT about something attacking you

You are ill............it doesn't matter what strain it is or what we

'think' is the cause

If not doing well, find the right homeopathic remedy to match your symptoms

Viruses (if they exist) and bacteria are the result of illness, not

necessarily the cause

Please, please, don't buy into this hype

Sheri

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