Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 What is the BEST thing to take that will clean out the folds of the upper intestines? Also alternatives in case something gives me a bad reaction. I know I have to clean out or croak. Going to the hospital is not an option for me because they would certainly finish me off. Please for now, reply to ectopistes@... Steph http://community.webtv.net/ectopistes/PassengerPigeon http://community.webtv.net/ectopistes/ThePassengerPigeon http://community.webtv.net/ectopistes/MYPASSENGERPIGEONS God Bless America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Check out www.holistichorizons.com. > -----Original Message----- > From: ectopistes@... [mailto:ectopistes@...] > Sent: September 5, 2004 7:26 AM > gallstones > Subject: Colonics > > > What is the BEST thing to take that will clean out the folds of the > upper intestines? Also alternatives in case something gives me a bad > reaction. I know I have to clean out or croak. Going to the hospital > is not an option for me because they would certainly finish me off. > Please for now, reply to ectopistes@... Steph > > > http://community.webtv.net/ectopistes/PassengerPigeon > > http://community.webtv.net/ectopistes/ThePassengerPigeon > > > > http://community.webtv.net/ectopistes/MYPASSENGERPIGEONS > > God Bless America > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 Steph: Check on the internet for the Intl Assoc of Colon Therapists. They have a list of practitioners. Cheaper and easier for you is : 1) search the past gallstone messages for messages on Oxy-Powder (Oxy Clear) or the equivalent. Since you are very sensitive, I would start with 1/4-1/2 cap and then work up. Better to go too slowly than over do it. 2) Cheaper still but a little more harsh -- epsom salts. Again, since you are so sensitive start with 1/2 teaspoon and be sure to supplement your minerals. Go up a little at a time until you clean your bowels completely. 3) There is a colon cleaning group somewhere. Bulmer seems to know who they are and how you can get hooked up. Try that. 4) Nature's Sunshine has a nice line of fiber and a Senna Combo laxative that will gently clean you out too. sells their products through her website. Good luck. (Atlanta) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Thanks for your response. I am interested in knowing the whole story about colonics as the people selling them will obviously give you only the positives. But I think that colonics may do more than just remove recent food residue. It is my understanding that it removes old fecal matter that resides in the many crevices of the large intestine, sometimes for a long time. This fecal matter gets toxic over time. Your thoughts on this? As for drying out your colon, I have not heard of that. Can you elaborate? As for removing the good bacteria, how do we know one way or the other on this? I have always wondered. Thanks for your thoughts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 fjnie1234 sniped; As for drying out your colon, I have not heard of that. Can you elaborate? I too would love to hear this!!! Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I respectfully disagree. I personally have had over 2 dozen colonics over the past 25 years, some with boluses (by the way, I have never had a negative gallbladder symptom and I have close to bludgeoned my liver to death on numerous occasions). My wife during her 10 year journey with cancer had probably close to a hundred, most of which I was present at, and most had ozone implants. First while colonics are in my opinion an excellent way to jump start colon cleansing it is sheer idiocy to entertain them as a complete program. I whole heartedly agree that things like bentonite, lecithin, fiber and magnesium oxide protocols are also essential in softening the mucoid plaque. You are also throwing good money for bad if you go to an all you can eat pizza feed the night before. A good colonic irrigationist is also performing abdominal massage etc. in order to enhance the process. In the good money for bad category add having boluses or ozone insufflication before you have gotten the colon clean to the point that the water is getting all the way around to the sigmoid region. Moderation in all things, 3 per week for an extended period of time can be dangerous. The negative issues at hand are the potential severe reduction of electrolytes and the severe reduction of probiotics. Of course it is also sheer lunacy to engage in large quantities of this treatment without adding extra probiotics into the program. As long as care is taken to make sure that our chitlins are well cleaned beforehand an implant can reach well around the transverse and into the ascending colon. The colon is actually fairly efficient in absorbing most nutrients and is in fact better with some than the small intestine such as some opiod painkillers. The " dry the colon out " issue is the upsetting of the electrolyte balance. The ingestion (or insufflication) of magnesium, potassium, sodium and other mineral salts will completely protect from this. I had one client who had a bowel obstruction who went to the ER and when she told the intake nurse that she had been doing a couple of enemas a week the nurse exclaimed that she would " dehydrate and die! " Talk about lunacy. This is the level of both education and intelligence awaiting you in your time of need at some emergency care facilities. I personally have absorbed well over a gallon of water during a colonic. The efficacy of colonics is well documented by MDs who utilize this therapy in their practices. Unfortunately here in the agenda driven and politically controlled US this is not accepted therapy by the mainstream power peddlers. Look to the work by the German physicians and areas such as Mexico, Bahamas, and Philippines for state of the art data. As in all professions there is a huge difference in practitioners and quality of service delivered. If you are going to someone who is putting a hose up your --- and sitting back to read a book for an hour you are probably better off saving your money and making a colema board. One of " Dave's Required Reading List " books is " Tissue Cleansing Through Bowel Management " by Dr. Bernard Jensen (Bless that Man) and I really don't care if someone reads it for as long as they look at the pictures, they will. This is using a colema board which while much better than enemas is no where near as efficient as colonic irrigations. Keep in mind that this is only part of the program at the Sanitarium. I would estimate that one colonic is worth 30 enemas and that one ozone colonic is worth a dozen straight water colonics if done after the walls are squeaky clean. All the best, -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: vanadeux<mailto:vanadeux@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: COLONICS Can dry the colon out! Personal experience! Does not clean out the colon..as in removing years of old hard carbonated crud..that takes a sustained contact with substances that can soften the carbonised crud, such as psyllium... it may empty the colon of recent food residue sure! But... then you have just washed out some good bacteria..although you bowel may have contained more of the bad bacteria..an implant will only reach your rectum..so what about the rest of the colon that has just been washed out? Well unless you are taking an excellent probiotic, you may just have disturbed the bowel more than if you just left it alone... ajd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Dave, you mention " softening the mucoid plaque " . What exactly do you mean by that? Some people think that steps should be taken to " remove " the mucoid plaque while others disagree. What is your position on this? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Woops! Sigmoid should have read " cecum'. Guess you can tell where my head is at! -D ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Shelden<mailto:wholehealthawareness@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM Subject: Re: COLONICS I respectfully disagree. I personally have had over 2 dozen colonics over the past 25 years, some with boluses (by the way, I have never had a negative gallbladder symptom and I have close to bludgeoned my liver to death on numerous occasions). My wife during her 10 year journey with cancer had probably close to a hundred, most of which I was present at, and most had ozone implants. First while colonics are in my opinion an excellent way to jump start colon cleansing it is sheer idiocy to entertain them as a complete program. I whole heartedly agree that things like bentonite, lecithin, fiber and magnesium oxide protocols are also essential in softening the mucoid plaque. You are also throwing good money for bad if you go to an all you can eat pizza feed the night before. A good colonic irrigationist is also performing abdominal massage etc. in order to enhance the process. In the good money for bad category add having boluses or ozone insufflication before you have gotten the colon clean to the point that the water is getting all the way around to the sigmoid region. Moderation in all things, 3 per week for an extended period of time can be dangerous. The negative issues at hand are the potential severe reduction of electrolytes and the severe reduction of probiotics. Of course it is also sheer lunacy to engage in large quantities of this treatment without adding extra probiotics into the program. As long as care is taken to make sure that our chitlins are well cleaned beforehand an implant can reach well around the transverse and into the ascending colon. The colon is actually fairly efficient in absorbing most nutrients and is in fact better with some than the small intestine such as some opiod painkillers. The " dry the colon out " issue is the upsetting of the electrolyte balance. The ingestion (or insufflication) of magnesium, potassium, sodium and other mineral salts will completely protect from this. I had one client who had a bowel obstruction who went to the ER and when she told the intake nurse that she had been doing a couple of enemas a week the nurse exclaimed that she would " dehydrate and die! " Talk about lunacy. This is the level of both education and intelligence awaiting you in your time of need at some emergency care facilities. I personally have absorbed well over a gallon of water during a colonic. The efficacy of colonics is well documented by MDs who utilize this therapy in their practices. Unfortunately here in the agenda driven and politically controlled US this is not accepted therapy by the mainstream power peddlers. Look to the work by the German physicians and areas such as Mexico, Bahamas, and Philippines for state of the art data. As in all professions there is a huge difference in practitioners and quality of service delivered. If you are going to someone who is putting a hose up your --- and sitting back to read a book for an hour you are probably better off saving your money and making a colema board. One of " Dave's Required Reading List " books is " Tissue Cleansing Through Bowel Management " by Dr. Bernard Jensen (Bless that Man) and I really don't care if someone reads it for as long as they look at the pictures, they will. This is using a colema board which while much better than enemas is no where near as efficient as colonic irrigations. Keep in mind that this is only part of the program at the Sanitarium. I would estimate that one colonic is worth 30 enemas and that one ozone colonic is worth a dozen straight water colonics if done after the walls are squeaky clean. All the best, -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: vanadeux<mailto:vanadeux@...<mailto:vanadeux@...>> To: gallstones <mailto:gallstones ><mailto:gallstones@\ <mailto:gallstones >> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: COLONICS Can dry the colon out! Personal experience! Does not clean out the colon..as in removing years of old hard carbonated crud..that takes a sustained contact with substances that can soften the carbonised crud, such as psyllium... it may empty the colon of recent food residue sure! But... then you have just washed out some good bacteria..although you bowel may have contained more of the bad bacteria..an implant will only reach your rectum..so what about the rest of the colon that has just been washed out? Well unless you are taking an excellent probiotic, you may just have disturbed the bowel more than if you just left it alone... ajd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 The muciod plaque is extremely unwanted. We are talking about putrefying matter that is continually producing toxins which are being absorbed. We are not talking about the mucousal lining of our digestive tracts (in fact it is continually irritating the mucousal lining) but an " inner " layer of mucous, improperly digested food and fecal matter stenosing the alimentary canal. I cannot imagine why anyone would suggest leaving it be. That would be like saying that we shouldn't wash our clothes or pots, pans and utensils. This layer adheres to the inner wall of the colon and to som extent small intestine (interfering with proper absorption) and is rather difficult to remove. Softening (lecithin), Drawing (bentonite) and mechanical " scraping " (fiber, both soluble and insoluble) and the possibly flushing (colonics, colemas, magnesium, peristaltic action stimulators) may all or part be necessary. Dr. Jensen's book is magnificent and has pictures of this and the results in terms of resolution of symptoms that will be more than convincing. -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: Re: COLONICS Dave, you mention " softening the mucoid plaque " . What exactly do you mean by that? Some people think that steps should be taken to " remove " the mucoid plaque while others disagree. What is your position on this? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 How does one know if the mucoid plaque exists? Or does it exist in everyone? I am currently battling candida which presumably resides primarily in the colon. If so, would removing the plaque help in removing the candida? Can you recommend a specific protocol for removing the plaque? Thanks so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 google mucoid placque - this is what comes out... ----- Original Message ---- From: fjnie1234 <Fred.Niehaus@...> gallstones Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 10:48:10 AM Subject: Re: COLONICS Dave, you mention " softening the mucoid plaque " . What exactly do you mean by that? Some people think that steps should be taken to " remove " the mucoid plaque while others disagree. What is your position on this? Thanks. <!-- #ygrp-mkp{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} #ygrp-mkp hr{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrp-mkp #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ygrp-mkp #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-mkp .ad{ padding:0 0;} #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ font-family:Arial;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:upp\ ercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-ri\ ght:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%\ ;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o{font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal{ margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq{margin:4;} --> ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 You can see it come out as black rubbery strings. Some of it is hard and rubbery and other times it is stringy and loaded with mucus. Take a look at the pictures on this web site I found here. http://www.hps-online.com/samples.htm > > How does one know if the mucoid plaque exists? Or does it exist in > everyone? > > I am currently battling candida which presumably resides primarily in > the colon. If so, would removing the plaque help in removing the > candida? > > Can you recommend a specific protocol for removing the plaque? > > Thanks so much! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Hopefully not everyone has mucoid plaque! It is not a natural thing. This is like menstrual cramps. Since the vast majority of women in western culture experience them it is considered to be " normal " . Few things could be farther from the truth. So with our SAD diet, the majority of overfed and undernourished " civilized " people are carrying around excess fecal baggage. Cancer of the colon is the third largest killer in America and all degenerative conditions (95% of all deaths in America) have a " toxicity " component. The old adage that " you are what you eat " is quite true, but you are also what you do not eliminate. Much of health is about " flow " whether it be blood, lymph, chi, urine, bile, stool or what have you. If you have mucoid plaque in residence it may be essential to remove it to control the candida for it may be an impenetrable fortress for the candida to reside. Again, my first recommendation would be " Tissue Cleansing Through Bowel Management " , mainly because when you become conscious of the issue, your desire to tackle such will be an intense motivation. I was at a seminar with Dietrich Klinghart (sorry Dietrich I probably have butchered the spelling of your name) about a year ago where one of the doctors taking the seminar ended up making a one day presentation on a particular unrelated protocol in addition to the original seminar but he started with his protocol for bowel cleansing and had a set of slides with pictures almost identical with Dr. Jensen's book. I am ashamed to admit that the deeper that I have gotten into natural therapy the farther that I have gotten from the basics! This is one of the basics. Most protocols include large amounts of fiber along with lecithin and bentonite. This is actually rattling my cage and may spur me to develop a protocol in the near future. I will keep you posted. By the way Fred, as I have written before, I deal with a lot of candida issues and as a general rule it should be a 2 month total program with the majority of symptoms gone in 2 weeks if it is bowel only and if it has gone systemic it should be able to be cleaned up in less than 6 months. This dealing with it for years is, pardon my expression, a bunch of crap. The biggest issue is providing the proper environment for the good guys after the candida has been squashed. Mucoid plaque would not be part of the proper environment. Always, in all ways, -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 1:27 PM Subject: Re: COLONICS How does one know if the mucoid plaque exists? Or does it exist in everyone? I am currently battling candida which presumably resides primarily in the colon. If so, would removing the plaque help in removing the candida? Can you recommend a specific protocol for removing the plaque? Thanks so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Great Link!!! -D ----- Original Message ----- From: mkathryn59<mailto:mkathryn59@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: COLONICS You can see it come out as black rubbery strings. Some of it is hard and rubbery and other times it is stringy and loaded with mucus. Take a look at the pictures on this web site I found here. http://www.hps-online.com/samples.htm<http://www.hps-online.com/samples.htm> > > How does one know if the mucoid plaque exists? Or does it exist in > everyone? > > I am currently battling candida which presumably resides primarily in > the colon. If so, would removing the plaque help in removing the > candida? > > Can you recommend a specific protocol for removing the plaque? > > Thanks so much! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 After a colonic I was more constipated than ever had been in my life..and had to have another one just to go to the loo. I repeat old hard waste will not come away just through one washing of the colon..it requires sustained slow contact with substances such as psyllium that will attract moisture and soften the old hard waste.. I have experienced this myself! I have several colonics one per week, ok..no old hard waste came away..only food and poops already in the colon ok fresh..as it were then several months later did a 7 days colon cleanse ..which involved daily drinks of psyllium..and nutrient drinks..plus abstaining from food, (don't recommend completely not eating solid food, we live and learn) and boy the old ropes of poop that came out..the colonics h ad not touched this.. some people just want to believe that colonics are the answer and would argue, oh, if youhad 10 colonics say 2 a week you would get the old hard s tuff out, but I say a colonic lasts say 45 mintues, whereas the psyllium will be in the colon for maybe several hours at a time slowly softening and lifting the old poop.. so for me colonics are still not the anser. ajd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I was interested to hear the Dave said the drying out of the colon was loss of electrolytes, this shows then that something that can cause a loss of electrolytes is potentially damaging, my practitioner was very good and efficient, but she must have been lacking knowledge not to have given me an electrolyte drink or suggested to me to purchase one. let me tell you my colon was totally full and the motions were large and dry I could almost feel the dryness as I said this happened after the first one, and I had another one just to clear the colon..as everything came to a halt.. ajd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Dave, what is your recommended protocol for candida? I will be sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for your response! Thanks so much!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Hi Fred, When dealing with clients and candida I always develop an individual protocol depending on the situation. Everyone is different and therefore the program should be too. However I can give you the blood and guts foundation information but you may need to tweak it around a bit. First thing is that when someone comes to me with a diagnosis of " candida " I am always suspect. This is a condition du jour (sp?). Often when people cannot figure it out they tag someone with this. Often I find that it is something else. Having said that and assuming in your case that it is candida here we go. Candida is considered a yeast but can show up differently morphologically depending on the position in it's life cycle and in reaction to it's environment. when it get's really nasty it looks like some type of spiked " mid evil " (sp correct) weapon and can perforate the intestinal wall (causing leaky gut) and then go systemic. If we can catch it before this it is relatively easy to deal with. All this garbage that we use against it that we throw down the throat gets to it in the digestive tract easily and in high concentration but if it gets systemic we have to assimilate the substances systemically where they are also diluted. The program will be pretty much the same in either case but it is far more difficult when systemic. No matter what is used the approach is basically the same. Shock and awe. We throw an onslaught at it that it cannot defend against. We are Borg, resistance is futile. After we have kicked butt, there will always be some survivors so we resettle the territory with our friends and create the environment that is beneficial to our desired inhabitants and not so comfortable for the candida. The herbal base is celandine leaf, amur cork tree bark, and white oak bark. The biggest gun is caprylic (or other fatty acids within the group such as undelic (sp?) acid) acid but it is usually in in small amounts short term in the very beginning. It will usually be in (if appropriate for 7-14 days and then it will be strictly the herbs from there on out. These fatty acids can be a bit irritating to the digestive tract at times. Once in awhile there is a case where these will not quite do it in which case we bring in a very obscure herb that comes from New Zealand, puedowinteria colorata. There is only one company that has this, they have an exclusive contract with the government, Forrest Herbs. the product is called Kolorex and it will come with capsules of anise seed that increases the effect when used together. Once we have created yeast and fungal genocide, we bring in the probiotic settlers and FOSs (fructo oligo saccarides) to farm the land. The changing of diet (dramatic reduction in processed carbohydrates) is usually a very good idea and sometimes imperative. Other substances that may be helpful in different cases are Pau d'arco (delicious in tea form and a great immune enhancer no matter what), oregano oil, gum benzoin, chaparral, grapefruit seed extract, zinc, selenium, any and all astringent herbs. Hope you find this useful. Always, in all ways, -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...> gallstones <mailto:gallstones > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: Re: COLONICS Dave, what is your recommended protocol for candida? I will be sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for your response! Thanks so much!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Dave, for me it was self-diagnosis as I don't even know where to go to get a professional diagnosis. Based on my symptoms and a couple of questionaires that I have used, I am pretty sure in the diagnosis. I am a 47 year-old male. I think that I have had a candida problem most of my life. But I had not ever heard of it until last year. My understanding is that most people recommend some combination of the following: 1) starve the fungus - sugar/carbs/food combining 2) physical removal - colon cleansing 3) kill the fungus - anti-fungals 4) repopulate good bacteria - probiotics It sounds like you advocate much of the above. But I am not very familiar with herbs. Where do I get the herbs that you mention? How much do I take? I am a little familiar with caprylic acid as I use coconut oil which I understand contains caprylic acid. Do you recommend rotating the anti-fungals as some people recommend as often as every 4 days? Thanks so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Your protocol sounds pretty inclusive of what most recommend for candida. I agree that candida is blamed for almost everything now in the alternative community, and I have lots of symptoms that fall under the candida umbrella, but what makes me specifically think it is candida related is the drunkeness and laughing fits I always used to get. I found cutting out carbs made a big difference on this, but did not make me better so I have been shooting every therapy down my throat that I can find. Have you had any experience with threelac? I have come across kolorex before but never tried it. You have much luck with that? What do you think about food allergy testing like ALCAT or LEAP? greg > > Hi Fred, > > When dealing with clients and candida I always develop an individual protocol depending on the situation. Everyone is different and therefore the program should be too. However I can give you the blood and guts foundation information but you may need to tweak it around a bit. > > First thing is that when someone comes to me with a diagnosis of " candida " I am always suspect. This is a condition du jour (sp?). Often when people cannot figure it out they tag someone with this. Often I find that it is something else. Having said that and assuming in your case that it is candida here we go. > > Candida is considered a yeast but can show up differently morphologically depending on the position in it's life cycle and in reaction to it's environment. when it get's really nasty it looks like some type of spiked " mid evil " (sp correct) weapon and can perforate the intestinal wall (causing leaky gut) and then go systemic. If we can catch it before this it is relatively easy to deal with. All this garbage that we use against it that we throw down the throat gets to it in the digestive tract easily and in high concentration but if it gets systemic we have to assimilate the substances systemically where they are also diluted. The program will be pretty much the same in either case but it is far more difficult when systemic. > > No matter what is used the approach is basically the same. Shock and awe. We throw an onslaught at it that it cannot defend against. We are Borg, resistance is futile. After we have kicked butt, there will always be some survivors so we resettle the territory with our friends and create the environment that is beneficial to our desired inhabitants and not so comfortable for the candida. > > The herbal base is celandine leaf, amur cork tree bark, and white oak bark. The biggest gun is caprylic (or other fatty acids within the group such as undelic (sp?) acid) acid but it is usually in in small amounts short term in the very beginning. It will usually be in (if appropriate for 7-14 days and then it will be strictly the herbs from there on out. These fatty acids can be a bit irritating to the digestive tract at times. Once in awhile there is a case where these will not quite do it in which case we bring in a very obscure herb that comes from New Zealand, puedowinteria colorata. There is only one company that has this, they have an exclusive contract with the government, Forrest Herbs. the product is called Kolorex and it will come with capsules of anise seed that increases the effect when used together. > Once we have created yeast and fungal genocide, we bring in the probiotic settlers and FOSs (fructo oligo saccarides) to farm the land. The changing of diet (dramatic reduction in processed carbohydrates) is usually a very good idea and sometimes imperative. > > Other substances that may be helpful in different cases are Pau d'arco (delicious in tea form and a great immune enhancer no matter what), oregano oil, gum benzoin, chaparral, grapefruit seed extract, zinc, selenium, any and all astringent herbs. > > Hope you find this useful. > > Always, in all ways, > -Dave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: fjnie1234<mailto:Fred.Niehaus@...> > gallstones <mailto:gallstones > > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:54 AM > Subject: Re: COLONICS > > > Dave, what is your recommended protocol for candida? I will be sitting > on the edge of my seat waiting for your response! > > Thanks so much!!! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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