Raw meat

October 17, 2000

Greg

As far as I know, there will not be parasites within any muscle meat.

Bacteria may be on the surface, but can be easily dealt with, as is

currently being discussed. Other opinions welcome!

Corny

On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:44:09 -0400 " Crook " <gcrook@...>

writes:

> On this topic, what are the thoughts on the book, " We Want To Live, "

> by

> Aajonus Vonderplanitz, which advises the use of raw beef, chicken,

> etc. to

> regain health. I am thinking about parasites et al.

>

> Greg

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October 17, 2000

On this topic, what are the thoughts on the book, " We Want To Live, " by

Aajonus Vonderplanitz, which advises the use of raw beef, chicken, etc. to

regain health. I am thinking about parasites et al.

Greg

>

October 18, 2000

Dear Greg,

Some parasites do not get killed in cooking. Specifically pinworms.

So do a parasite cleanse spring and fall and take the worry out.

Best of Health!

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Re: Raw meat

> On this topic, what are the thoughts on the book, " We Want To Live, " by

> Aajonus Vonderplanitz, which advises the use of raw beef, chicken, etc. to

> regain health. I am thinking about parasites et al.

>

> Greg

>

> >

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October 18, 2000

Corny,

If the animal one is eating has parasites in their flesh, as with

trichina in bad pork, then we can indeed consume them.

jim

Mike E Cornwall wrote:

>

> Greg

> As far as I know, there will not be parasites within any muscle meat.

> Bacteria may be on the surface, but can be easily dealt with, as is

> currently being discussed. Other opinions welcome!

>

> Corny

November 27, 2000

thanks corny. i just had some ceviche today. i think it''s going to be a

regular thing. i am satisfied with a fraction of the amount i usually eat, so

i know i'm responding well to it. when i was in puerto rico a few years ago i

was eating the conch ceviche. damn was that tasty, and i was feeling really

good when i was there-- the ocean doesn't hurt. i'm going to make steak

tartare with fertile egg yolk and spices-- for some reason this appeals to

me. i don't know what it is-- but something good is in the ether-- i'm going

to start exercising, something i haven't been strong enough to do for a

while.

February 25, 2001

Hi everyone. I posted the primal diet webpage on another group and this is

what came back.

Any replies?

ust want to point out that eating raw meat is the OPPOSITE of what Dr.

recommends:

In The Cure for All Cancers, page 134, Dr. states:

" Other animals are as parasitized as we, full of flukes and worms and

schistosomes in every imaginable stage, and since the blood carries many of

these, would we not be eating these live parasites if we eat these animals

in the raw state? We have been taught to cook thoroughly any pork, fish, or

seafood. Now we must cook thoroughly any beef, chicken, or turkey. It must

be at cooking temperature (212 degrees Farenheit or 100 degrees Celsius) for

20 minutes after salt has been added. Freezing is not adequate. "

February 26, 2001

I understadn and respect Dr. 's approach to healing...however, my

personal approach to healthcare, healing and preventative medicine comes from

looking to nature and the other animals that have evolved over thousands of

years alongside us. We as humans have begun many behaviours over the last

hundred or so years that are SO in contradiction to nature. Animals around

us have been evolving and thriving for a long time without western medicine,

cold remedies, cooked food, air conditioning, desk jobs, diet pepsi & diet

coke, not to mention copius amounts of daily sugar. Humans have been cooking

food for a very long time....but it's important to note the rest of the

animal kingdon eats their meat raw. How is it, that we as humans suffer in

so many ways from all these parasites while the rest of the animal kingdom

lives with them in a more symbiotic relationship? I'm just as guilty as

anyone else when it comes to cooking meats...but when I stop and look at all

the other animals, I have to wonder. Is cooked meat a mark of civilization?

> " Other animals are as parasitized as we, full of flukes and worms and

> schistosomes in every imaginable stage, and since the blood carries many of

> these, would we not be eating these live parasites if we eat these animals

> in the raw state? We have been taught to cook thoroughly any pork, fish, or

> seafood. Now we must cook thoroughly any beef, chicken, or turkey. It must

> be at cooking temperature (212 degrees Farenheit or 100 degrees Celsius) for

> 20 minutes after salt has been added. Freezing is not adequate. "

>

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February 28, 2001

Speaking strictly from a scientific standpoint, Probably the only reason not to

is because it is " yucky. " Smile

Donna

-Subject: raw meat

snip

If the

following points are true (and they are to the best of my knowledge) then

can someone show me any negatives to eating raw meat?

snip

March 1, 2001

Why not take this one step at a time and cook your meat less and less

until you are eating it rare and then give raw meat a try? Actually, now

that I think of it, some people might find meat cooked rare more

off-putting than raw meat, simply because of the red juice that oozes

out of rare meat.

It's got to be largely a cultural thing and what you were accustomed to

during childhood, although it appears not everyone has a problem with

this issue.

Lana

> Oh boy. I actually get butterflies when I think of eating raw meat.

Like someone is asking me to ride on a roller coaster or something.

Part of the adrenal thing, I think, and partly because it freaks me

out. Having been a vegetarian in the past, I consider myself quite

liberal because I now eat meat that is cooked. So eating raw meat,

makes my little vegetarian l heart flip flop. Smile.

>

> But I am going to take one bite of some raw ground buffalo, next time

I unthaw some and I will report back. I am sure I will have to count to

three first. Lol.

>

> Donna

>

March 2, 2001

Donna,

Two things helped me get over feeling creepy about eating raw meat.

First, the tar tar sauce I make from lemon, garlic & cayenne takes a lot

of one's attention away from the rawness. Especially the cayenne. Next,

I eat them on a triscuit or other crunchy cracker. The crunchiness is

the biggest help, IMO, in distracting from raw.

It is really just a learned response. The meat tastes the same raw. It's

just the texture that is different. The first time I tasted a piece of

raw meat with no cracker or sauce, my brain volunteered: " Yes, I am a

predator! "

jim

> > Oh boy. I actually get butterflies when I think of eating raw meat.

> Like someone is asking me to ride on a roller coaster or something.

> Part of the adrenal thing, I think, and partly because it freaks me

> out. Having been a vegetarian in the past, I consider myself quite

> liberal because I now eat meat that is cooked. So eating raw meat,

> makes my little vegetarian l heart flip flop. Smile.

> >

> > But I am going to take one bite of some raw ground buffalo, next time

> I unthaw some and I will report back. I am sure I will have to count to

> three first. Lol.

> >

> > Donna

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March 2, 2001

Donna,

Two things helped me get over feeling creepy about eating raw meat.

First, the tar tar sauce I make from lemon, garlic & cayenne takes a lot

of one's attention away from the rawness. Especially the cayenne. Next,

I eat them on a triscuit or other crunchy cracker. The crunchiness is

the biggest help, IMO, in distracting from raw.

It is really just a learned response. The meat tastes the same raw. It's

just the texture that is different. The first time I tasted a piece of

raw meat with no cracker or sauce, my brain volunteered: " Yes, I am a

predator! "

jim

> > Oh boy. I actually get butterflies when I think of eating raw meat.

> Like someone is asking me to ride on a roller coaster or something.

> Part of the adrenal thing, I think, and partly because it freaks me

> out. Having been a vegetarian in the past, I consider myself quite

> liberal because I now eat meat that is cooked. So eating raw meat,

> makes my little vegetarian l heart flip flop. Smile.

> >

> > But I am going to take one bite of some raw ground buffalo, next time

> I unthaw some and I will report back. I am sure I will have to count to

> three first. Lol.

> >

> > Donna

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March 2, 2001

Thanks Jim. I am acutely aware that it is all an emotional response on my part.

It's really kind of funny. But you all have inspired me and I am going to try

it sometime soon. First I have to get past the butterflies. It really makes me

laugh at myself.

Anyway, thanks for the recipe help and other suggestions. When I am in a

buffalo mood I will try it. For some reason I just can't even imagine doing raw

chicken even if it is organic. No logic, just pure emotion.

Donna

Re: Raw Meat

Donna,

Two things helped me get over feeling creepy about eating raw meat.

First, the tar tar sauce I make from lemon, garlic & cayenne takes a lot

of one's attention away from the rawness. Especially the cayenne. Next,

I eat them on a triscuit or other crunchy cracker. The crunchiness is

the biggest help, IMO, in distracting from raw.

It is really just a learned response. The meat tastes the same raw. It's

just the texture that is different. The first time I tasted a piece of

raw meat with no cracker or sauce, my brain volunteered: " Yes, I am a

predator! "

jim

> > Oh boy. I actually get butterflies when I think of eating raw meat.

> Like someone is asking me to ride on a roller coaster or something.

> Part of the adrenal thing, I think, and partly because it freaks me

> out. Having been a vegetarian in the past, I consider myself quite

> liberal because I now eat meat that is cooked. So eating raw meat,

> makes my little vegetarian l heart flip flop. Smile.

> >

> > But I am going to take one bite of some raw ground buffalo, next time

> I unthaw some and I will report back. I am sure I will have to count to

> three first. Lol.

> >

> > Donna

-----

carpe diem, carpe pecuniam, carpe feminas. -- Jim Lambert

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September 17, 2001

vanessa:

congratulations on the leap of faith. i'm sure you will be rewarded. you

might want to join the primaldiet or live-food lists. most of the people

there are long term followers of this diet, and many recipes and ideas are

discussed. i know that aajonus does not recommend lemon with red meat-- only

white meat and fish. and he no longer is recommending the bread-- but easing

into the diet can't hurt i suppose. i talked with stanley bass in depth about

the diet as well- he is an nd that is in close touch with av. its interesting

that you mentioned filet mignon-- i was eating that mainly for a while, and

then stanley told me to eat the tougher cuts, as they would build better

muscle. i think the average diet av gives to people is 3 or 4 meat meals a

day with lots of fat, and three or four glasses of fresh green juice in

between meals. no water. for chicken and fish i marinate in lemon juice like

ceviche. then add fresh olive oil, butter or spices. some people make fresh

coconut cream sauce with spices. i like beef sliced thin and slightly

oxidized. i also prefer aged meat over fresh. many people leave the eggs out

at room temp to get more bacteria. the milkshakes are made with some fresh

raw fertile eggs, raw milk, raw butter, raw honey, and some vanilla extract.

calf liver wih onion and garlic (mixed in a food processor) has been the most

healthful food i have yet to encounter.

good luck!

September 17, 2001