Guest guest Posted October 5, 2000 Report Share Posted October 5, 2000 Dear Sharon, IMHO, Ray Peat knows not of what he speaks. I know of no one who agrees with him. I prefer to get my information from Udo Erasmus. Certainly the fish sources of Omega 3 oils are excellent. However, vegetarians are denied that source. Therefore they must use a vegetable based source, of which the best is flax seed oil by far. Hemp oil is a good oil, too, but not as good as flax oil for Omega 3s. Flax oil also helps get oxygen into the cell. It is an important supplement for cancer patients (and people who would rather not develop cancer). It is important for kidney function, which relates directly to blood pressure. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created them " . - Einstein flax oil question > Saul Pressman wrote: > > > > Dear Sharon, > > > > The other thing you could try is lots of flax oil, which is the kidney's > > best friend. > > Hi Saul, > > thanks for the reminder! > Do you, or any of the rest of you listers, have any knowledge/opinion of > using fish oil *instead* of flax oil? > The reason I ask is because I've been a long time 'student' of Dr. > Peat (his books and monthly journal). He is very " anti " > vegetable oils in general, though I cannot recall his mentioning flax > specifically. He is very pro coconut oil and I believe he does favor > olive oil. And butter, of course. > > I know that both fish and flax are sources of omega 3, I just wish I > knew if either could/should be used exclusively. > Just in the past week I read that " fish oil is better than flax for > omega 3 " , and I don't know where I saw it, darn it! > > Any insight appreciated! > > Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2000 Report Share Posted October 5, 2000 Dear Saul: No one agreed with Galileo or Copernicus either when they first made their epochal pronouncements concerning the sidereal topography of the local universe. Udo Erasmus is very knowledgable, but what does that mean? In a private conversation, Erasmus once bad mouthed his own mentor to me, Dr. Johanna Budwig, making her sound like something of a crank. More to the point, having perused Peat's arguments on oils, I am struck by one rather impressive common sense argument. To wit, he states that polyunsaturated oils, including flax, go rancid very quickly at room temperature - a fact which seems undenably true. Omega Nutrition pack their oil in opaque black plastic containers and Erasmus insists on keeping the stuff dark and refrigerated to avoid rancidity. Peat points out that if these oils go rancid quickly at room temperature, imagine what they will do in an oxygen breathing human body that is a good deal warmer than room temperature (98.6 degrees). They will go rancid even faster. Coconut oil, on the other hand, can be left out at room temperature for a year and not exhibit rancidity. These concerns are hardly insignificant. Paavo Aerola, one of the foremost proponents of polyunsaturated oils a generation or two back, died of a cerebral hemorrhage at the relatively young age of 62. Peat may be a voice in the wilderness right now, but then so were the two dudes I mentioned at the top of this transmission. Yours in the interest of truth and well being, Colin Yardley Saul Pressman wrote: > Dear Sharon, > IMHO, Ray Peat knows not of what he speaks. I know of no one who agrees with > him. I prefer to get my information from Udo Erasmus. > Certainly the fish sources of Omega 3 oils are excellent. > However, vegetarians are denied that source. > Therefore they must use a vegetable based source, of which the best is flax > seed oil by far. > Hemp oil is a good oil, too, but not as good as flax oil for Omega 3s. > > Flax oil also helps get oxygen into the cell. It is an important supplement > for cancer patients (and people who would rather not develop cancer). It is important > for kidney function, which relates directly to blood pressure. > Best of Health! > Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2000 Report Share Posted October 5, 2000 Dear Colin, It does not follow that rancidity produced in oils open air will occur in the body. When they hit the stomach they are going into an acid bath. Different ball game. I have only heard Udo say good things about Dr. Budwig, so I can't comment on that part. The oils need to be kept refrigerated, no doubt. If you do refrigerate, rancidity is not a problem. We have been using flax oil liquid, kept in its brown bottle in the fridge both at the health food store, and in our home, for 5 years, and never had a bottle go rancid. A little caution goes a long way. If you are worried about it, you can buy the encapsulated kind that is sealed against air infiltration. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh URL: http://www.plasmafire.com email: saul@... " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created them " . - Einstein Re: flax oil question > Dear Saul: > No one agreed with Galileo or Copernicus either when they first made their > epochal pronouncements concerning the sidereal topography of the local > universe. Udo Erasmus is very knowledgable, but what does that mean? In a > private conversation, Erasmus once bad mouthed his own mentor to me, Dr. > Johanna Budwig, making her sound like something of a crank. More to the > point, having perused Peat's arguments on oils, I am struck by one rather > impressive common sense argument. To wit, he states that polyunsaturated > oils, including flax, go rancid very quickly at room temperature - a fact > which seems undenably true. Omega Nutrition pack their oil in opaque black > plastic containers and Erasmus insists on keeping the stuff dark and > refrigerated to avoid rancidity. Peat points out that if these oils go > rancid quickly at room temperature, imagine what they will do in an oxygen > breathing human body that is a good deal warmer than room temperature (98.6 > degrees). They will go rancid even faster. Coconut oil, on the other hand, > can be left out at room temperature for a year and not exhibit rancidity. > These concerns are hardly insignificant. Paavo Aerola, one of the foremost > proponents of polyunsaturated oils a generation or two back, died of a > cerebral hemorrhage at the relatively young age of 62. Peat may be a voice > in the wilderness right now, but then so were the two dudes I mentioned at > the top of this transmission. > > Yours in the interest of truth and well being, > > Colin Yardley > > > > Saul Pressman wrote: > > > Dear Sharon, > > > IMHO, Ray Peat knows not of what he speaks. I know of no one who agrees > with > > him. I prefer to get my information from Udo Erasmus. > > > Certainly the fish sources of Omega 3 oils are excellent. > > However, vegetarians are denied that source. > > Therefore they must use a vegetable based source, of which the best is > flax > > seed oil by far. > > Hemp oil is a good oil, too, but not as good as flax oil for Omega 3s. > > > > Flax oil also helps get oxygen into the cell. It is an important > supplement > > for cancer patients (and people who would rather not develop cancer). It > is important > > for kidney function, which relates directly to blood pressure. > > > Best of Health! > > Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2000 Report Share Posted October 6, 2000 Saul Pressman wrote: > > Dear Sharon, > > Flax oil also helps get oxygen into the cell. It is an important supplement > for cancer > patients (and people who would rather not develop cancer). It is important > for kidney function, > which relates directly to blood pressure. Saul, thanks for your thoughts on the flax oil; the oxygen connection is a good reminder. I remember that had been Dr. Budwig's point! Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 I have a question for the group about flax oil. In his book on the Zone Diet Barry Sears talks about flax oil in a negative way. Here is what he suggests; To convert linoleic acid into gamma linolenic (GLA) you need a vital enzyme called delta 6 desaturase. He stresses the importance of getting an adequate amount of GLA from the diet. He goes on to say that children aged 0 to 6 months and adults older than 30 can't make GLA and therefore its critical to supplement. Breast milk has GLA to compensate for infants that are breast feed. He suggests that high carb diets decrease the natural production of GLA. High levels of carbohydrates in the blood stream will slow the delta 6 desaturase activity and decrease GLA production. Then he says and this is the critical bit that excessive consumption of ALA *alpha linolenic acid* will slow down and decrease the production of Delta 6 Desaturase and hence GLA. ALA is an omega 3 fatty acid that's found in high quantities in Flax Oil. Therefore, in this authors opinion, flax oil is not good for you because it decreases the production of GLA. Can others comment on this, it really has me wondering, I take lots of flax oil and now wonder is it the right thing to do ? Regards Stidolph, NI, New Zealand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 Very interesting, . What page is this on? I would like to do a little study on it. What foods does he suggest for the GLA? Is that what is in Primrose oil? thanks, Ann PS: This is very important to me because Omega 6 , although an essential oil, has pro carcinogenic qualities and i must avoid. Ann RE: Re: Flax Oil Question I have a question for the group about flax oil. In his book on the Zone Diet Barry Sears talks about flax oil in a negative way. Here is what he suggests; To convert linoleic acid into gamma linolenic (GLA) you need a vital enzyme called delta 6 desaturase. He stresses the importance of getting an adequate amount of GLA from the diet. He goes on to say that children aged 0 to 6 months and adults older than 30 can't make GLA and therefore its critical to supplement. Breast milk has GLA to compensate for infants that are breast feed. He suggests that high carb diets decrease the natural production of GLA. High levels of carbohydrates in the blood stream will slow the delta 6 desaturase activity and decrease GLA production. Then he says and this is the critical bit that excessive consumption of ALA *alpha linolenic acid* will slow down and decrease the production of Delta 6 Desaturase and hence GLA. ALA is an omega 3 fatty acid that's found in high quantities in Flax Oil. Therefore, in this authors opinion, flax oil is not good for you because it decreases the production of GLA. Can others comment on this, it really has me wondering, I take lots of flax oil and now wonder is it the right thing to do ? Regards Stidolph, NI, New Zealand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 black currant oil/borage oil - primrose is an avoid Re: Re: Flax Oil Question Very interesting, . What page is this on? I would like to do a little study on it. What foods does he suggest for the GLA? Is that what is in Primrose oil? thanks, Ann PS: This is very important to me because Omega 6 , although an essential oil, has pro carcinogenic qualities and i must avoid. Ann RE: Re: Flax Oil Question I have a question for the group about flax oil. In his book on the Zone Diet Barry Sears talks about flax oil in a negative way. Here is what he suggests; To convert linoleic acid into gamma linolenic (GLA) you need a vital enzyme called delta 6 desaturase. He stresses the importance of getting an adequate amount of GLA from the diet. He goes on to say that children aged 0 to 6 months and adults older than 30 can't make GLA and therefore its critical to supplement. Breast milk has GLA to compensate for infants that are breast feed. He suggests that high carb diets decrease the natural production of GLA. High levels of carbohydrates in the blood stream will slow the delta 6 desaturase activity and decrease GLA production. Then he says and this is the critical bit that excessive consumption of ALA *alpha linolenic acid* will slow down and decrease the production of Delta 6 Desaturase and hence GLA. ALA is an omega 3 fatty acid that's found in high quantities in Flax Oil. Therefore, in this authors opinion, flax oil is not good for you because it decreases the production of GLA. Can others comment on this, it really has me wondering, I take lots of flax oil and now wonder is it the right thing to do ? Regards Stidolph, NI, New Zealand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 " I have a question for the group about flax oil. In his book on the Zone Diet Barry Sears talks about flax oil in a negative way. Here is what he suggests; To convert linoleic acid into gamma linolenic (GLA) you need a vital enzyme called delta 6 desaturase. He stresses the importance of getting an ....... .........................Can others comment on this, it really has me wondering, I take lots of flax oil and now wonder is it the right thing to do " Hello everyone, I am new to the blood type diet as I learned about tothis in August of this year. I really love this group! I belong to several other newsgroups and so far this group is really informative, friendly, mild, (believe it or not), and hilarious! Thank you, Axel for your great anecdotes/imagination! In addition to all Dr. D. Adamo's books, I have also been reading several other books on high protein diets and alternative health, including some suggested on the newsgroup. In " Protein Power " by Drs. Eades, they have really enlightened me on the " oils " . I found the rationale behind the exclusion of grapeseed oil in a Dr. D.'s books [thank you, for the wonderful information, you were dead on - its an Avoid], and more importantly, I got the reasoning behind the " flax seed is good vs. flax seed is bad " controversy. , without going into the nitty-gritty details, the gist is, according to Drs'. Eades', the Omega-3 in flax seed oil has to be modified for maximum use by our bodies. Normally we are able to do this pretty easily, however if they have health issues and our bodies are compromised in any way [ and most of us to have compromised bodies from previous nutritional errors], the efficient utilization of the flaxseed oil Omega-3 by our bodies is minimal. As a consequence, Drs'. Eades' recommends that's we use Cod Liver oil instead. The omega-3 in Cod liver oil is in a form that our bodies do not need much modification in order to maximize the utilization of it, and this is why flaxseed oil is not recommended. They did go on to state that when one is in perfect health, and everything is working, that flaxseed oil is a very valuable source of Omega-3. The conclusion I've come to is that I know that my body is not operating at any level of efficiency, and therefore I need to use Cod liver oil! They also recommended the brand Carlson's Cod liver oil, which comes in a green bottle and further recommended that once the bottle is opened it should be refrigerated and consumed or discarded within three weeks. As we all know, oils, no matter how good when fresh, are equally dangerous or more so, when rancid. It actually scares me when I walk through a regular supermarket and see the rows and rows of oils in clear glass bottles!!! Also, it appears that the American diet contains excessive amounts of Omega-6, and therefore we need to take extra care in balancing the proportion of Omega-6 to Omega-3 in our diets. I will formally introduce myself to the group in a later post. This one is already too long, even though my voice dictation software seems to be working okay today. Lol! Jannette Abel O Pos. jema1@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 <I found the rationale behind the exclusion of grapeseed oil in a Dr. D.'s books [thank you, for the wonderful information, you were dead on - its an Avoid> I looked in Typebase, Dr. D'Adamo's online food database and grapeseed oil is not listed. Where did you hear that it was an avoid? Typebase 3: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase/typebase.cgi Dianne in L.A. O nonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 Flax oil contains essential fatty acids that the body needs to function well. Most people don't get enough of these healthy fats in their daily diets. Flax has all kinds health benefits. Most Body for Lifers take it for the improved fat metabolism and reduced cravings, but people also take it to improve cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, promote joint health, soft skin, shiny hair, reduced cancer risk and numerous other reasons. Check out the flax oil document in the club Files section: /files/ Or the educational literature at Barlean's http://www.barleans.com/literature/index.html Flax oil question O.K., I am seeing all these posts about flax oil and how often to take it, etc. But what does flax oil really do???? Is it a nutritional supplement? Does it help you burn fat? lauren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 Flax oil is a 'dietary oil' - think of it like taking out the 'bad fats' (such as saturated fats) - and BFL is considered 'lowfat' - and adding in some 'good fats' your body can readily use. Think of your body like a sponge and these essential fatty acids gfet sucked right up and used right away unlike other food fats that get digested and packed away into a fat cell for a rainy day! ;-) You can also get the scoop on EFA's (essentail fatty acids) and the differences btwn fats here: http://www.stumptuous.com/fat.html And also at the UDO's site (UDO's is a blend of dietary oils) at:http://www.udoerasmus.com/FAQ.htm <<joni>> *fats that heal and fats that kill - its good to know the difference* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 I know that the oil needs to be refrigerated or it will go bad. I accidentally left my Udo's oil in the cupboard over night instead of putting it back in the fridge. Is it still okay? > Flax oil is a 'dietary oil' - think of it like taking out the 'bad > fats' (such as saturated fats) - and BFL is considered 'lowfat' - and > adding in some 'good fats' your body can readily use. Think of your > body like a sponge and these essential fatty acids gfet sucked right > up and used right away unlike other food fats that get digested and > packed away into a fat cell for a rainy day! ;-) You can also get the > scoop on EFA's (essentail fatty acids) and the differences btwn fats > here: http://www.stumptuous.com/fat.html > And also at the UDO's site (UDO's is a blend of dietary oils) > at:http://www.udoerasmus.com/FAQ.htm > > > > <<joni>> > *fats that heal and fats that kill - its good to know the difference* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 It's probably fine as long as it doesn't smell or taste bad. It will start smelling sort of like paint thinner if it's going rancid. Re: Flax oil question I know that the oil needs to be refrigerated or it will go bad. I accidentally left my Udo's oil in the cupboard over night instead of putting it back in the fridge. Is it still okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 the oil should be fine. it's recommended to put some oils in the fridge b/c it extends their shelf life when they contain volatile ingredients. one night in the cupboard shouldn't hurt you. > It's probably fine as long as it doesn't smell or taste bad. It will start smelling sort of like paint thinner if it's going rancid. > > > > > Re: Flax oil question > > > I know that the oil needs to be refrigerated or it will go bad. I > accidentally left my Udo's oil in the cupboard over night instead of > putting it back in the fridge. Is it still okay? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 In a message dated 5/21/2004 2:22:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, momazmat@... writes: > Before bed, I take flax seed oil. n or others: Why do you take flax oil at night? I pour mine over my cooked food everyday. Am I missing the boat somehow and should I take it at night " neat " ? (Atlanta) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 I take 1 Tbsp of flax oil most days and usually don't count the calories or fat in any of my totals. Food is food and supplements are... supplemental. I don't count the calories from my calcium chews or Betagen either. It's not that they're freebies or that I'm in denial, it's that their benefits far outweigh any impact they have on my calorie deficit. If you're starving at 1,350 cals plus a tablespoon of flax oil, or you're not losing fast enough at 1,750 plus a tablespoon of flax oil, adjust your *food* calories up or down. Leave the tablespoon of flax alone. That's my approach anyway. On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:02:13 -0000, kikboxxxr <no_reply > wrote: > > > Ok i just bought some Flex Seed Oil and plan to take 1 tablespoon in > my morning shakes. Question: do I count the calories? It's 125 > calories in one tablespoon!! ugh!! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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