Milk

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In a message dated 3/8/2002 4:27:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,

borago@... writes:

> Well the mucus production part came from the ER4YT book and was one of

> the reason I stopped all dairy in the end.

Hi ,

I never drink milk because I have never liked it, but it is the cheese part

that I wonder about. I love cottage cheese and once lost weight eating a lot

of it. Don't find any symptoms from it, including no increase in mucus. I

am not advocating dairy, just wondered about cottage cheese. Yummy with

pineapple and walnuts on top.

Sharon (Ontario) Canada

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Well the mucus production part came from the ER4YT book and was one of

the reason I stopped all dairy in the end. Unfortunately I have lent my

book out so can't quote the page numbers.

Steve - Cheltenham, UK

C.B. wrote:

>Sharon wrote:

>

>>>>Only Bs can digest milk protein.

>>>>

>>Thanks . So it isn't lectins, it digesting milk protein.

>>

>

>Then Steve wrote:

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>>Also as I understand it increases production of mucus.

>>

>

>A couple of things puzzling here - one, if you talk to the raw food folks,

>raw milk (unpasteurized, not the easiest to get) has the enzymes necessary

>to digest itself. And there's another take on mucus-building too. It is what

>helps detox, by some theories - and encapsulates the bad stuff running

>around in our systems.

>

>I'm hemming and hawing on the milk is bad for Os issue, myself.

>

>CB

>

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In a message dated 3/8/2002 9:41:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lambchop_71@... writes:

> didn't think I said anything about dairy,

Hi ,

My comments were really based on Alec's message about dairy and I just used

yours that mentioned the mucus thing to expound further.

Sharon (Ontario) Canada

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Does anybody know why goats milk and goats cheese is neutral, when cow is

not. Do they contain a different lectin? I know they are not good protein

sources but are they that bad and in what way 'bad'. Also, how bad is

yoghurt - same as cows milk?

Thanks

Lise

>

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Hmmmmmm, Sharon.

I didn't think I said anything about dairy, but.....I

can tolerate a little more dairy than some. I make a

dessert with yogurt. Of course, yogurt is an

occassional. I don't eat cereal at all, so don't

really require milk. I use the cheeses that are on

our list, but occassionally I get a taste of others.

I'm not fanatical either, but I do know I feel better

when I am as compliant as I can possibly be.

K. OKC

--- SFerris769@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/8/2002 4:27:26 AM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> borago@... writes:

>

>

> > Well the mucus production part came from the ER4YT

> book and was one of

> > the reason I stopped all dairy in the end.

>

> Hi ,

>

> I never drink milk because I have never liked it,

> but it is the cheese part

> that I wonder about. I love cottage cheese and once

> lost weight eating a lot

> of it. Don't find any symptoms from it, including

> no increase in mucus. I

> am not advocating dairy, just wondered about cottage

> cheese. Yummy with

> pineapple and walnuts on top.

>

> Sharon (Ontario) Canada

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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goat is much less fatty

RE: RE: Milk

Does anybody know why goats milk and goats cheese is neutral, when cow is

not. Do they contain a different lectin? I know they are not good protein

sources but are they that bad and in what way 'bad'. Also, how bad is

yoghurt - same as cows milk?

Thanks

Lise

>

[Guest guest]

That effects Bs only. Lets reread ER. Os are meat eaters not dairy drinkers.

Raw food folks are believers. ER is scientific.

love

RE: Milk

Sharon wrote:

>>>Only Bs can digest milk protein.

>Thanks . So it isn't lectins, it digesting milk protein.

Then Steve wrote:

>Also as I understand it increases production of mucus.

A couple of things puzzling here - one, if you talk to the raw food folks,

raw milk (unpasteurized, not the easiest to get) has the enzymes necessary

to digest itself. And there's another take on mucus-building too. It is

what

helps detox, by some theories - and encapsulates the bad stuff running

around in our systems.

I'm hemming and hawing on the milk is bad for Os issue, myself.

CB

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>Stop all dairy for a month and then drink a big glass of milk.

I've done this.

You might be

>heaving but you won't be hemming and hawing.

>Max

Nope, I was fine.

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Goat is an avoid.

Stidolph, NZ.

> RE: RE: Milk

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> Does anybody know why goats milk and goats cheese is neutral,

> when cow is

> not. Do they contain a different lectin? I know they are not

> good protein

> sources but are they that bad and in what way 'bad'. Also, how bad is

> yoghurt - same as cows milk?

>

> Thanks

> Lise

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> >

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>

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Goats milk has a similar fat content to cows milk - around 4% - as well as

protein and carbs. Here is a quote I found:

" The major difference between goats milk and cows milk is that the fat globules

are much smaller in goats milk. And a substance causing coagulation of fat

globules is naturally present in cows milk but is absent in goats milk. "

A lot of pediatricians will suggest to parents to try goats milk with 1+ year

olds who are having difficulties with cows milk, as it is easier to digest.

Bob

RE: RE: Milk

Does anybody know why goats milk and goats cheese is neutral, when cow is

not. Do they contain a different lectin? I know they are not good protein

sources but are they that bad and in what way 'bad'. Also, how bad is

yoghurt - same as cows milk?

Thanks

Lise

>

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Before I started ER4YT last August, I had reduced my dairy intake

over the previous couple of years. Whenever I would eat cheese (my

favorite dairy food), I would be real sinus-y, and clogged up and

gucky in my throat the next day. I had heard for years it was mucous

causing, and then experienced it first hand. No dairy will pass these

lips, if I can help it. I told you about my last experience with

cheese. Yikes!

E Long

> Well the mucus production part came from the ER4YT book and was one

of

> the reason I stopped all dairy in the end. Unfortunately I have

lent my

> book out so can't quote the page numbers.

>

> Steve - Cheltenham, UK

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I'm finally reading my Encyclopedia. The beginning is very

interesting. It's helping me understand how this blood type thing

started and affects us all. Good reading. Of course I already perused

the supplements in the back.

E Long

> That effects Bs only. Lets reread ER. Os are meat eaters not dairy

drinkers.

> Raw food folks are believers. ER is scientific.

> love

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Hi ,

It's goat's milk that is an avoid, not goat or goat cheese. Goat milk is not

listed in the book. It is in the Nutrition base3. Yes, I know the discussion was

on milk.

Goat is an avoid.

Stidolph, NZ.

> From: Dekany [mailto:info@...]

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> goat is much less fatty

>

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This is about milk, .

K. OKC

--- <pfs1958@...> wrote:

> Goat is an avoid.

>

> Stidolph, NZ.

> > ER4YT Dr D'Adamo's Web site:

> http://www.dadamo.com/

> >

>

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No problem. Gotcha.

--- SFerris769@... wrote:

> >

> My comments were really based on Alec's message

> about dairy and I just used

> yours that mentioned the mucus thing to expound

> further.

>

> Sharon (Ontario) Canada

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Hi

Sorry about my French. I was referring to goats milk. It is listed as an

avoid under tier 2 on page 144 in LR4YT.

Stidolph, NZ.

> Re: RE: Milk

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> Hi ,

> It's goat's milk that is an avoid, not goat or goat cheese. Goat

> milk is not listed in the book. It is in the Nutrition base3.

> Yes, I know the discussion was on milk.

>

> Goat is an avoid.

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> Stidolph, NZ.

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> > From: Dekany [mailto:info@...]

> >

> > goat is much less fatty

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The fatty acid and protein structure of goat milk is different than cow

milk, making it very easy to digest

RE: RE: Milk

Does anybody know why goats milk and goats cheese is neutral, when cow

is

not. Do they contain a different lectin? I know they are not good

protein

sources but are they that bad and in what way 'bad'. Also, how bad is

yoghurt - same as cows milk?

Thanks

Lise

>

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Just think about it - " long life milk " What they have to do to it to last.

2nd, it is not so much the lactose, it is MILK PROTEIN that Os & As have

problem with. Parmalat has been around for a long time.

Another avoid.

Milk

Saw something interesting in the shop yesterday. It was a box of long

life milk by Parmalat (don't know if they are internationally known). The

milk is marked as low lactose especially for lactose intolerant people. It

says the milk has been treated with the enzyme lactase to break the lactose

down into easily digestible sugars for those intolerant people.

I definitely won't try it. I am slowly recovering from sinus after having

some sherry with my husband and subsequently spent two days drowning in

mucous. There is no ways I am taking the risk, but I would like to know,

plain curiosity here, whether this would actually work? Is this just a

sales thing again?

Hilda Vosloo

email: hildavosloo@...

cell: 0829229136

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<PRE>You can also try taking Lactaid pills. It really does help.

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I'm sure I'm wrong for doing this, but I eat a bowl of cereal in the

morning with 1% milk. However, I only eat 3/4 cup of cereal (Smart

Start or shredded wheat) and add about 1/2 cup of milk to it. I

always have alot of milk left in my bowl and I don't drink it, I pour

it out. A serving size is 1 cup with 13 carbs.... obviously I'm not

consuming a serving, not even half of a serving... so how bad of a

choice do you all think I'm making. I could switch to oatmeal if I

must.

Jill

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wrote: I just read milk [dairy products] and High protein is NOT good for Gerd when on Nexuim

, it's not that the protein is bad for the Nexium, it's that lots of protein isn't good for ANYONE with excess acid production (regardless of whether they take Nexium or Prevacid or even nothing at all.)

Protein in the stomach triggers the body to produce more acid, because acid is needed to break down the protein for digestion. So just like you reduce the amount of foods you eat that have a high acid level (citrus, tomatoes, soda pop, etc.) you should also not be eating a high-protein diet if your wish is to reduce the amount of acid in your stomach.

When I was diagnosed with my duodenal ulcer, my doc told me both to reduce all fruits (not just citrus) AND to limit my protein intake.

Debbi in Michigan

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Debbi –

This makes sense, but differs from a

diet that was prescribed to me when the doctors were treating me for GERD….I

actually found a great internal medicine doctor (the 4th doc I saw during

the time they said I had GERD…she was actually the one who determined I

had something else going on and sent me to the GI doc who knew what I had right

away)….anyways, she was very knowledgeable with acid reflux and initially

prescribed me with a Low-Carb diet. There is a great book out there called The Schwartzbein Principle, which goes

into detail about how carbs trigger the production of insulin, which triggers

the production of stomach acid (That’s a real condensed version of the

explanation). Of course it makes great sense when you read it in the book….this

doctor (Schwartzbein) actually determined we had been giving diabetics the

wrong diet (low-carb) which continued them on this insulin producing trend that

was a vicious cycle.

Now, I do understand that too much

protein can be hard for our bodies to digest as well…so its finding that

balance that’s important to all of us. This has been said before I think

but other foods that increase our acid production: salt is a big one (stay away

from anything cured, smoked, pickled, etc.), spicy foods, processed foods, soda

(which I cant drink anyways because it forms a sort of air lock in my E!). Think

about shopping the outside isles of the grocery store….produce (I can’t

eat a raw carrot either, but their yummy cooked!), meats/poultry, diary –

and stay away from the inside isles which are all of the processed foods. It is

such a challenge sometimes to find good foods that will go down, it requires

trial and error and more cooking than I like to do!!

Hope this helps someone!

Thanks to all of you who replied with

various remedies for my nausea from my pregnancy. Again, trial and error to

find what works for me…sometimes nothing works…but I am elated to

say I am 9 weeks along and hope this yucky feeling goes away in the next few

weeks. My biggest help has been from a couple vitamin B6 injections my doctor

has given me. As far as throwing up, my surgeon didn’t think I would hurt

anything if I did….I have thrown up liquids but nothing solid will get

past the wall of Dor!!! ;-))

All the best!

Santa Cruz, CA

Re: Milk

wrote: I just read milk [dairy products] and

High protein is NOT good for Gerd when on Nexuim

, it's

not that the protein is bad for the Nexium, it's that lots of protein

isn't good for ANYONE with excess acid production (regardless of whether they

take Nexium or Prevacid or even nothing at all.)

Protein in the stomach

triggers the body to produce more acid, because acid is needed to break down

the protein for digestion. So just like you reduce the amount of foods

you eat that have a high acid level (citrus, tomatoes, soda pop, etc.) you

should also not be eating a high-protein diet if your wish is to reduce the

amount of acid in your stomach.

When I was diagnosed

with my duodenal ulcer, my doc told me both to reduce all fruits (not just

citrus) AND to limit my protein intake.

Debbi in Michigan

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;

Being a milk drinker myself, I was hoping you would provide a link regarding Nexium and milk. I wasn't able to find any information to support this comment. When you see your Doctor on Nov. 18th, could you please ask him/her if discontinuing drinking milk is wise while taking Nexium? Dairy products are a main staple of my diet. Personally, I'd fade away to nothing if I didn't swallow milk with all my meals.

Take Care,

.

-- Milk

I just read milk [dairy products] and High protein is NOT good for Gerd when on Nexuim I think it was mentioned before Guess I wasn't listening I drink alot of milk NO more

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Debbi Heiser wrote:

> wrote: I just read milk [dairy products] and High protein is NOT

>good for Gerd when on Nexuim

>

>, it's not that the protein is bad for the Nexium, it's that lots of

>protein isn't good for ANYONE with excess acid production (regardless of

>whether they take Nexium or Prevacid or even nothing at all.)

>

>Protein in the stomach triggers the body to produce more acid, ...

>

>When I was diagnosed with my duodenal ulcer, my doc told me both to reduce

>all fruits (not just citrus) AND to limit my protein intake.

Interesting. I didn't think about the protein. I was thinking that the

warning had to do with the fat. People with GERD are (were) also more often

told to limit their fat intake and to use low or no fat dairy products.

This may be different for people with ulcers. I know they used to tell

people with ulcers to drink whole milk. The fat was suppose to coat the

stomach and protect it while the protein naturalized acid. In GERD it is

thought that fat may cause the LES to relax more than it should and let

acid get up where it should not be. There is newer research though that

suggest that fat is not important in GERD. As to protein, some advise to

avoid it and some to be sure and include it. You did a good job on

explaining why to avoid it. The reason to include it at every meal is that

the protein naturalizes acid, which may be over produced because of other

foods. It may be the case though, that protein may also cause the

production of too much acid, even though it at first naturalizes it (you

would not think this would happen with the reduced acid production with

Nexium). It may also lead to delayed emptying of the stomach, so higher

levels of acid are in the stomach longer. So, it is not clear if milk of

any kind needs to be avoided. Maybe, maybe not. It could be good for one

person and not for another. I would try it both ways and see if it makes a

difference.

notan

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notan wrote: As to protein, some advise to avoid it and some to be sure and include it.

I just wanted to point out, too, that my doctor didn't tell me to eliminate protein, but just to limit it -- to not eat a huge steak dinner, etc. The body has to have some protein for proper nutrition, of course, but excess protein is unnecessary and in the sense of acid production it could aggravate an existing condition.

Deb