Milk

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I did read it on line I am trying to find where When I find it again will post it I have been thinking too what else is there besides milk and diary products

-- Milk

I just read milk [dairy products] and High protein is NOT good for Gerd when on Nexuim I think it was mentioned before Guess I wasn't listening I drink alot of milk NO more

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I just have to say that milk was my best friend when I ate, and Im

sure a contributor to my weight gain even when I was at my worst!

thats how I gained my weight, eating carbs drinking milk and beer!

thats what always went down....now Ive had surgery and its hard to

give up those bad habits!!!! Cathey

> ;

>

> Being a milk drinker myself, I was hoping you would provide a

link

> regarding Nexium and milk. I wasn't able to find any information

to support

> this comment. When you see your Doctor on Nov. 18th, could you

please ask

> him/her if discontinuing drinking milk is wise while taking

Nexium? Dairy

> products are a main staple of my diet. Personally, I'd fade away

to nothing

> if I didn't swallow milk with all my meals.

>

> Take Care,

>

> .

>

> -- Milk

>

> I just read milk [dairy products] and High protein is NOT good for

Gerd when on Nexuim I think it was mentioned before Guess I wasn't

listening I drink alot of milk NO more

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However I get a warm feeling on my chest and throat often Did you?? I do take Nexium every a.m About 20 minutes before liquid breakfast And a few glasses of milk during the day I can drink as much as 4 glasses On a good day As I said I take Tums after most meals Maybe milk is causing this warm feeling ???????????????? Not true heart burn

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Milk> > I just read milk [dairy products] and High protein is NOT good for Gerd when on Nexuim I think it was mentioned before Guess I wasn't listening I drink alot of milk NO more

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At 02:42 PM 11/10/2003 -0500, Debbi Heiser wrote:

>notan wrote: As to protein, some advise to avoid it and some to be sure

>and include it.

>

>I just wanted to point out, too, that my doctor didn't tell me to

>eliminate protein, but just to limit it -- to not eat a huge steak dinner,

>etc. The body has to have some protein for proper nutrition, of course,

>but excess protein is unnecessary and in the sense of acid production it

>could aggravate an existing condition.

I should have been clearer and picked better words. " Avoid " , like " I avoid

my boss, " not that I can completely stop having contact. It has been

suggested at times that GERD patients reduce the protein as much as

possible, perhaps even eliminating it from some meals. On the other hand,

" include it " refers to that at times GERD patients have been told to be

sure to have protein at each meal.

No matter which makes more sense, I don't think it is likely to matter when

on Nexium. With Nexium there should not be enough acid production that

protein would either be needed to neutralize the acid or that it would

cause over production of acid.

notan

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notan wrote: I should have been clearer and picked better words. "Avoid", like "I avoid my boss," not that I can completely stop having contact. It has been suggested at times that GERD patients reduce the protein as much as possible, perhaps even eliminating it from some meals. On the other hand, "include it" refers to that at times GERD patients have been told to be sure to have protein at each meal.

I knew you knew what I was saying, notan, I just wanted to clarify for those who may not have understood it the way I worded it originally. )

No matter which makes more sense, I don't think it is likely to matter when on Nexium. With Nexium there should not be enough acid production that protein would either be needed to neutralize the acid or that it would cause over production of acid.

I agree with you on that, too. Unless the dosage is exceedingly low, Nexium should be very effective at reducing acid production. If it's not doing the job, then the dosage needs to be examined with the prescribing doctor. In my case with my ulcer last year, 15mg of Prevacid is the "normal" dosage but I found it wasn't enough to eliminate the excess acid (thanks to my messed-up nerves, I never actually feel the heartburn, fortunately, but if I bent over I would have acid flow back up to my mouth where I could taste it. I never even felt my ulcer pain, either, and was shocked when they told me I had one!) So in that case, my doctor increased the dosage to 30mg and that was enough to knock down the excess acid production.

Debbi

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--What's causing your ulcer is your bad eating habits. Have you

considered something as simple as changing your diet? you are quite

overweight so you are getting your food down. You have achalasia,

ulcers, and I'm sure other maladies. Have you considered that maybe

you are compounding your problems as a result of your eating habits?

Maybe your too engulfed in medical treatments and pills of all sorts

for indigestion, ulcers, acid reflux. Something so simple as

changing your diet can relieve or eliminate these conditions. You

are getting the food down right? So why not change the type of food

that you are getting down? What can it hurt?

- In achalasia , " Debbi Heiser " <heiser@t...> wrote:

> notan wrote: I should have been clearer and picked better

words. " Avoid " , like " I avoid

> my boss, " not that I can completely stop having contact. It has

been suggested at times that GERD patients reduce the protein as

much as possible, perhaps even eliminating it from some meals. On

the other hand, " include it " refers to that at times GERD patients

have been told to be sure to have protein at each meal.

>

> I knew you knew what I was saying, notan, I just wanted to clarify

for those who may not have understood it the way I worded it

originally. )

>

> No matter which makes more sense, I don't think it is likely to

matter when on Nexium. With Nexium there should not be enough acid

production that protein would either be needed to neutralize the

acid or that it would cause over production of acid.

>

> I agree with you on that, too. Unless the dosage is exceedingly

low, Nexium should be very effective at reducing acid production.

If it's not doing the job, then the dosage needs to be examined with

the prescribing doctor. In my case with my ulcer last year, 15mg of

Prevacid is the " normal " dosage but I found it wasn't enough to

eliminate the excess acid (thanks to my messed-up nerves, I never

actually feel the heartburn, fortunately, but if I bent over I would

have acid flow back up to my mouth where I could taste it. I never

even felt my ulcer pain, either, and was shocked when they told me I

had one!) So in that case, my doctor increased the dosage to 30mg

and that was enough to knock down the excess acid production.

>

> Debbi

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<<Milk has been drunk for thousands and thousands of years in its raw

form. There is NO blanket prescription for anyone for any kind of food.

Sheri>>

I think this is absolutely true. We went totally no-dairy after we

realized that's what was bothering my son. It was great for him, only

okay for my middle son and I. The two of us and especially my youngest

seem to need the probiotics from organic yogurt, and also do well with

hard cheeses.

I would agree that we don't need NEARLY the dairy that the commercials

have us believe...also, the U.S. dairy industry is just so contaminated

with hormones, antibiotics, etc. that it really needs to be organic, or

raw, or in extreme moderation. But I tend to think some people do well

with milk, and for others it is poison.

M

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Skim milk has twice as many carbs as cottage cheese. It is ok to have it on BFL

but you count it as a carb portion, same as yogurt.

milk

Anybody have any insight as to why skim milk would not be on the BFL

authorized list? Considering so many people use cottage cheese as a staple on

this

program, I wondered how different is skim milk. Just comparing the labels the

skim milk has less calories and

less fat, but it still has a decent balance of protein and carbs.

Here's what I see on my labels:

1/2 C Cottage Cheese=2.5g total fat, 6g carb, 12g protein, 90 calories

1 C Skim Milk = 0g fat, 11g carb, 8 g protein, 90 calories

K

[Guest guest]

What kind of cottage cheese are you eating?

" Here's what I see on my labels:1/2 C Cottage Cheese=2.5g total fat,

6g carb, 12g protein, 90 calories "

I am eating 1% cottage cheese and mine has 16g protien and 1.2g fat

per half cup.

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In a message dated 8/23/2004 9:40:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

tamaratornado@... writes:

I had very fresh raw milk once in my life... it tasted SO GOOD

That's because it's full of fat. I got a cup from the farmer right out of

the cow when I was a kid I loved it too.

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In a message dated 8/23/2004 11:41:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

cherylhcmba@... writes:

I agree that there is more individuality beyond blood type.

When I started this diet I believed that I would never be able to do without

coffee, potatoes, or dairy. I was sure that for me these foods were OK.

Nevertheless, I went completely on the diet for 30 days and felt great. Then

the

hilarious part started. I experimented. When I ate a slice of bread, I went

to sleep and woke up with a hangover. The next day I drank a cup of coffee

and felt like my chest was in a vice and I had bad indigestion. Finally, when I

tried a baked potato, I turned into a bloatboy and felt awful. I found that

the farther I got away from the fat in milk the worse it was. Skim milk gave

me indigestion and a belly ache but heavy cream didn't seem to affect me much.

I would say to Irene that if you can't get off of milk you might want to

shift to cream with lots of fat for now. It may take your body a while to heal

from eating avoid foods since you seem to have some real problems to deal

with.

[Guest guest]

As far as needing more mucus to protect the esophagus, would Slippery Elm

help in that regard? You can suck or chew on the bark to let the

slippery-ness take effect.

[Guest guest]

From HFS -- Thayers Slippery Elm throat loz. Very good feed back from people

on them.

<bloggertypeo@...> wrote:As far as needing more mucus to

protect the esophagus, would Slippery Elm

help in that regard? You can suck or chew on the bark to let the

slippery-ness take effect.

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Tamara Tornado wrote:

> I think any diet you use, type O and others, you use as an initial

> guide, but always pay attention to what your body tells you.

Hi Tamara,

I agree with that. I have eaten healthy food rather than junk food all

my life, and so I think my feedback system is better than most and not

likely to be skewed by additives or other chemicals that may potentially

cause off-kilter feedback. I don't know if they do - just know I have

had a relatively " clean " life, with the exception of having too much

coffee for a long time.

> Some health diets swear by the beneficials of milk. I've heard great

> things about raw, grass-fed milk...

My father was from a long line of dairy and fruit farmer folks, and

you'd be surprised how much milk a single cow produces - I was always

amazed. The cow got a little extra hay in the winter but mainly ate what

was growing in the field. Yes the milk takes wonderful compared with the

lucerne-tainted stuff available here. When I first came to USa in 1969

(I grew up in South Africa) I could not believe my eyes - they actually

*advertised* that that the cows got lucerne as if it was something to be

proud of " Lucerne Milk " it said on the label. Bleach! Of course since

then I have become accustomed to the taste of milk here.

As a kid I wanted mine spun through the cream separator first - just

a hand crank model we had which spins the milk around in a large bowl

and feeds some off at the bottom so the lighter creamier part goes to

the top and the more skim part comes off below.

We'd have beaten fresh cream on dessert in the evening, and the calcium

in the milk sure gets absorbed if the rest of the " skimmed " milk is

served with food that has fat in it. We had lots of home made sausage or

mixed grill meat or lamb chops at practically every meal. Boerewors is

made with beef mainly but you can add bacon to provide the fat, and the

main spice is coriander, with a bit of cloves and nutmeg and marmite

(yeast extract, with carrot, onion and salt are the ingredients of

Marmite). That and steak and the fruit in the garden were staples I grew

up on. We had garden veg too but mostly my mother boiled it to death :-)

We'd have been better off eating the water she tossed.

> I had very fresh raw milk once in my life... it tasted SO GOOD - it

> didn't taste like what I know as " milk "

But that was the real milk :-))

The stuff we buy is not real milk :-)

> BTD is very good at pointing toward individuality in diet - one

> person's food is another's poison - perhaps there's more individuality

> than any of us know yet.

I think so. I suspect BTD is a great start but there will be other genes

that make individuals different - just as the secretor one does, and

causes avoids like avocado to become beneficial for some.

Last night I went back to making a milk sauce with skim milk powder in

which all my supper was cooked, and I slept comfortably and woke feeling

better today. In fact I lost some more edema last night and woke 2

pounds lighter today. And I had eaten identically the same as the

previous day (on purpose) except for adding the skim milk powder - a cup

of powder with supper.

I was so upset to find I had gotten so ill so fast but I do not blame

the BTD or anyone but myself - but really not my fault either - just

something unpredictable.

I could not have predicted what would happen, and was as usual just

trying to find what to do to yet again improve my odds for health. So

I'll get up and dust myself off and keep looking. I've had only a few

weeks on BTD so far, and so it seems that at least at night, I need to

include the skim milk in my meal for now.

It was so nice not to have the burning all night. My stomach valve

never did work well. It seems inherited, my younger son (type O+) had

Barretts oesophagus at age 21 already - a condition where the body grows

stomach lining up the oesophagus because of the acid there and the

treatment is surgery to shorten it - but that does not fix the cause or

prevent recurrence so is not really an answer. My dad's mother used to

have her bed up high at the head and no doubt had the condition. I do

not know her blood type, it would have been O or A as my dad was AO. My

older son has a proper stomach valve (type O- like myself) and has no

problem. So even all who are type O in the same family, are not all the

same.

I have so little energy, hate the way it is sapped when I am ill, but I

can do email still :-)) So while I still have energy to do that today I

want to thank everyone on the list for the several very helpful emails

in response to mine last night. I hope to answer some more of them; I

have read them all and much appreciate all the new ideas and thoughts

that were shared for my benefit.

It's great to be part of such a supportive group :-)

Namaste,

IRene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

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kathy matthews wrote:

>>From HFS -- Thayers Slippery Elm throat loz.

I often suggest slippery elm syrup to my clients for their cats - but it

seems not to do the job for me. It would be next best after milk though.

I suspect the protein in milk slows its digestion and keeps it in my

stomach long enough to protect it for a longer time. Slippery elm syrup

(made by cooking up some herb in water till nearly boiling) does not do it.

But it may be great for use in the day or for other folks.

You sprinkle 1 teaspoon of the herb powder on a half cup of water - heat

to near boiling with stirring and it thickens to a " syrup " you can keep

in the fridge. How much helps will vary - maybe a tablespoon taken about

20 minutes before a meal. It coats the intestinal tract.

Namaste,

IRene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

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THOMAS DEKANY wrote:

> At the stage most bodies are I don't think it is a good idea to listen

> to the body. The body makes you eat junk food mostly.

In my case I have always abhorred junk food. Most kids brought up on

good food will abhor it. The body starts out with a very good ear about

what's good. Many scientific studies by nutritionists have proved it.

And in veterinary homeopathy I know that animals have that instinct

so well they can choose between a right and wrong remedy in a saucer of

water without there being any detectable chemical difference :-)

Maybe we damage our abilities thanks to commercial bombardment of junk

food - which is what you are really saying I think.

But we start out " clean " - and the ability is still there if we tap

into it with care to be sure we are listening to the right feedback.

I guess I'm an optimist - it has paid off for me :-)

Namaste,

IRene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

We use milk from day 3 onward and have very little trouble

abbe

-----Original Message-----From: Theresa [mailto:glenn_glbrt@...]Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: milkHello everyone!I am currently working with my bariatric team to revise some of our nutrition materials. Do most of you have patients avoid milk during the first month? I had been recommending CIB in skim milk as an initial protein supp since it is more affordable, etc... (But I am new to this so haven't dealt with too many follow ups yet). Anyway, the team I am working with does not want milk on the pureed stage. So - do you all think that is a good plan or should I TRY to convince them that it works in some pts (I thought I had read 50:50 as far as lactose intolerance post surgery???)Thanks again for the HUGE help you all have been. I just am so grateful to all of you for sharing so much information!Theresa

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Hi - Kefir has a different set of microflora, many of which

are not contained in the kombucha culture, so I don't think that

putting a scoby in milk will yield kefir. Nor do I think that the

milk would sustain the microflora specific to the kombucha culture,

since milk is not its natural medium. Although some have experimented

with combinations of kefir and kombucha, I don't believe these are

sustainable combinations to ferment in the long run.

What are your specific problems in making kefir? It should be an

extremely easy process -- just plop grains in any type of milk and

you're set. Feel free to e-mail me offlist with any questions you

might have.

Best wishes,

Nori

wrote:

> Has anyone tried using a scoby in raw milk? I was trying to make

> kefir with kefir grains but having a hard time getting used to

making it.

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Hi Folks,

I don't like to get in the middle of a good scientific discussion! But milk and diary have been getting such a bad rap the last few weeks, I'd recommend going to the web site www.westonaprice.org to find out about raw milk, traditional diets and organic living. It may surprise to find that it's pasturization that causes so many problems.

Christian Mathisen DC

3650 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdc@...

[Guest guest]

I am glad someone mentioned this website during this debate - thanks Christian

C.Craig, D.C.

DrCalebj@...

Portland, Oregon

RE: Milk

Hi Folks,

I don't like to get in the middle of a good scientific discussion! But milk and diary have been getting such a bad rap the last few weeks, I'd recommend going to the web site www.westonaprice.org to find out about raw milk, traditional diets and organic living. It may surprise to find that it's pasturization that causes so many problems.

Christian Mathisen DC

3650 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdc@...

[Guest guest]

Hi Folks,

Lots of milk bashing these days. Perhaps reading a book on milk will help the process. I'm convinced that pasteurization and homogenization of the hormone and pesticide filled white stuff from non-pasture raised cows have destroyed any nutrients in milk and that only whole raw milk from pasture fed cows has the enzymes (lactase) and nutrients God intended us to have in our food. It isn't milk but the processing it goes through that destroys it, just like any other whole real food when touched by corporate greed.

Suggestion: Read The Untold Story of Milk by Ron Schmid ND. It may help or it may stimulate more controversy. Jerry Brunetti, who cured (yep I used the C-word, 'cause that's what he says) his aggressive lymphoma using, among many other things, whole raw milk and whole raw yogurt and whole raw eggs. And we've all been taught that stuff will kill us.

"After generations of this pasteurized, homogenized, two-percent spirituality, the body-politic has lapsed into a deep cattlepsy. And without this direct connection to the Fodder, we've allowed a powerful few to bulldoze Mother Nature and seek immortality in their own creation. And that's why the sacred cow is nowhere to be found, but the bull is everywhere."

Profound wisdom from

Swami Beyondananda

Christian Mathisen, DC

3650 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR

541-535-4111

cmathdc@...

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In a message dated 10/21/2005 8:22:46 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cmathdc@... writes:

I'm convinced that pasteurization and homogenization .... have destroyed .... whole raw milk.... God intended

Suggestion: Read The Untold Story of Milk ...... cured .... lymphoma using, among many other things, whole raw milk and whole raw yogurt and whole raw eggs. And we've all been taught that stuff will kill us........" And that's why the sacred cow is nowhere to be found, but the bull is everywhere." Profound wisdom from

Swami Beyondananda

Very nice use of humor to make the point (More on the "Swami" : http://www.wakeuplaughing.com/). I don't think anyone caught some of the humor in my last post such as "milk-duds" - or maybe they caught it and only I thought it was funny. But kudos on the jokes mixed in with your message. I dunno though - the idea of using unpastuerized milk and raw eggs is kinda scarey now adays. I mean sure a person can go through life without washing their hands, many people in the middle ages in Europe did it and lived to a ripe old age of 50, but I would not recommend it. Washing your hands does not protect against all germs, and pastuerization may not protect against all germs - but it certainly helps. Washing hands has helped us live longer than we lived in Shakespeare's England when once a year bathing was the norm - and pastuerization certainly kills germs ( This is one of about a million such links : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=16061190 & query_hl=2).

Back around 1994, at the advice of a pro wrestler /chiropractor (yes he actually did both - winning the tag team title wrestling as "Doc Savage" and running a chiropractic office in Tulsa Oklahoma - was chiropractor of the year in Rondbergs organization around 1995 or so) I did the unpastuerized whole milk and raw egg diet trying to bulk up my then 6 foot 185 LB frame, and while I did succeed in breaking the 200 LB body weight mark for the first time in my life - I had bad diarrhea, got alot of abdominal fat in the process which was hard to lose - and has plagued me ever since, - but I did not die of brucellosis or listeria - although it is a possiblity. I myself would not recommend it since salmonella is a very real possibility as well as other diseases. I would take lactase (and do take lactase) if enzymes are a concern - better living through science you know? I mean after all - mankind drinking pastuerized milk now adays is living twice as long now compared to the last time mankind drank unpastuerized milk by and large. The fact that the average person is living twice as long in decent health roughly as they did circa 1905 in the USA (when the average lifespan was 54) while consuming pastuerized food, washing our hands, is proof enough for me. I suppose we can take it a step farther and not refrigerate it too - closer to the way God intended it, warm and straight from the teat.

Anglen

[Guest guest]

> Which reminds me- how are the plans for the Western/Northern MVV-run

> group gelling up? Therese?

Sara,

I'm pretty darn sure that they have been put on the back burner 'til after

the holidays or something......

At least that is what I assume? Anyone know any different?

Therese

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On Thursday 08 December 2005 02:32 am, wrote:

> Is anyone doing a milk run to midvalleyvu any time soon?

Hi all,

I finally got a chance/excuse to go to MVV last Saturday. I need an 'excuse'

because it's a 3 hour drive for me since I'm about an hour west of the

cities. I bought many things: W.A. Price's book, the Milk Diet Book,

Brunetti's dvd, The Future of Food dvd, butter, yogurt, milk, cheese,

homemade lefse, sprouted spelt flour, cod liver oil and butter oil. I wanted

to get some cream, but they were out :0( . I enjoyed talking with Janet for

a little bit as I was the only customer there (at least for a little bit). I

like that they have a little play area for kids while mom shops.

If a Western/Northern MVV-run group gets started I'd be interested.

Oster, MN

Isaiah 26:3

" I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has

risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see

everything else. "

--C. S.

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In a message dated 12/8/2005 11:04:46 AM Central Standard Time,

.s@... writes:

I finally got a chance/excuse to go to MVV last Saturday. ...

I bought many things: ...homemade lefse, sprouted spelt flour....

If a Western/Northern MVV-run group gets started I'd be interested.

Wow --Homemade lefse? --Is it NT? The recipes I have for lefse aren't of the

NT type, but maybe this too could be adapted.

I got the sprouted spelt flour last time I was there too and I've been

meaning to post about it --IT " S SUCH A FIND! and at $1/lb its not too expensive

either! Some things just don't taste right soaked and soured and it's great for

those of us who don't always remember to soak!

Another " Happy food " addition to our repetoire! That's what I've started

calling our food choices. " Healthy " doesn't quite explain it all anymore does

it? Real, Wise, Whole... those are good too, but I have to say how it makes me

feel: happy mind , happy body! Maybe I'll come up with something more

sophisticated, for now this says it for me.

Oh, and about the MVV groups, planned and present. I live in

Chanhassen and participate in Sara R's group out of Eagan. That's the only

working

metro group I know of at present. The planned group sounded like a possibly

North mpls centered group, Just for clarification.

Peace,

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