Re: 99 Bottles of Stones on the Wall....

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In a message dated 5/10/2004 3:58:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

holistic@... writes:

> I think everyone should do regular flushes of the liver, digestive system

> and

> lymph BUT I'm wondering

Would you be kind enough to send a link to the lymph flush or is this

something you have discovered elsewhere?

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In a message dated 5/10/2004 3:58:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

holistic@... writes:

> I've come to believe that all people need to fast on a regular basis, flush

> the

> system and maintain the equipment. I will always do that. The 7th Habit of

> Highly Effective people is to " stop and 'sharpen the saw' " otherwise the

> efficiency of the whole process goes down

I was reading on the liver curezone message board recently messages from

several people who have flushed 50+ times in much less time than Jay's accrual

period and they continued to produce stones. They said their bodies told them

when to flush and they followed that.

Others reported hitting a plateau where they only needed maintenance flushing

like mentions, once or twice a year.

Somewhere I read an interesting idea, maybe here, I cannot remember, that

some experts think cholesterol stones are made when you are on a low-fat diet

too

long and the body is trying to stockpile supplies it might need later for

chemical processes. Gave me food for thought --

Since you are interested in Cheng's products and philosophy and since

her point of view will be different culturally, ie the Eastern TCM point of

view, possibly she can shed light on what the Chinese think produces stones. She

has a strong science background so she is bringing two sensibilities to the

discussion.

Hope this info helps. I too like the " sharpen the saw " approach.

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Hi Will:

Well, I recognized that I have spent a lot of time on the SAD diet with a lot of

high-fat food - up until about 11 years ago when I was diagnosed with prostate

cancer. I changed a lot for a year or so, then went back to old ways. (I still

have my prostate against the advice of my urologist who gets paid a big fee for

removing them. I have frequent check ups and no more cancer can be detected.

I'm currently 72.)

I first started flushes about 5 or 6 years ago. I almost gave up after the

first one because nothing but " chaff " came out. At that time I was in

communication with a guy from " Ask Tom " which is where I found out about the

flush, which is the same as the one called the " " flush on this list -

Epsom salts and 1/2 cup of oil with grapefruit juice. Ask Tom encouraged me to

continue because they said that the chaff is often what's plugging the pipes in

the liver and is a precursor to releasing stones. After that first flush I

began getting many pea size and larger stones with each flush, anywhere from 100

of those that size, on up to 300 or more with a lot of little ones thrown in.

Then the stones stopped at flushes #11 and #12. Feeling that I still had more

to go, I went to a much more aggressive flush, a modification of the Dr.

flush which you can find at:

http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/Are_You_Stoned.asp<http://curezone.com/cleanse\

/liver/Are_You_Stoned.asp>

I followed the routine until 10:00 pm and then ingested 1/4 cup of olive

oil and the juice of 1/2 of a lemon every 15 minutes until I had consumed 2 cups

of oil. Great results. (Follow this only after following the routine for

at least 4 or 5 flushes.) Many more stones and larger stones and darker stones

came out with the flush. Then around flush #14 or #15 I passed an

enormous amount of lard looking stuff. This passed for two days after the

flush. At that time I also lost 8 pounds from the flush. No one, but no one

can tell me what I passed but I'm convinced that it was from the liver and not

the colon. During my next flush I also more of the " lard " and more stones. I

haven't seen any more lard since then. The more I flush, the darker the stones

that come out, and while the total quantity is sometimes less than earlier

flushes, the size of the stones are significantly larger. Yes, there have been

times on both the and flushes that the results have not been very

good but each time that has happened I have been able to attribute it to either

oil for breakfast (eggs) or the day before. I now have no fat or meat for at

least two days prior to the flush.

I surmise that what is happening is that the stones are no longer coming out of

the gallbladder but from the liver. From what searching I have done I've found

that the darker stones are from the liver and have been in there for a long

time. (After one flush I ran a fever of 102 or so for 8 hours, and then it

cleared up. Am convinced that this is coming out the liver and am also

convinced that you must use the Epsom salts in the morning followed up with

fiber/psyllum for the next two or three days to keep the toxins moving out of

the body.) So, I no longer do gallbladder flushes, I do liver flushes.

Jay

<<I think everyone should do regular flushes of the liver, digestive system and

lymph BUT I'm wondering, Jay, what is going on with the 29 stone-filled

flushes? I know many others here are reporting the same thing.

What I am thinking is that the flush is the same as bailing water out of a leaky

boat. The stone load continues as long as you don't plug the leak. My goal in

all this includes flushing and dissolving to get rid of current stones but I

ALSO

want to " plug the leak in the boat " e.g. stop the accrual process. I want to get

to the point where my bile flows without creating stones. This is where the diet

changes, weight loss, exercise, herbs, stress management and all else gets

to heal the liver and GB.

I've come to believe that all people need to fast on a regular basis, flush the

system and maintain the equipment. I will always do that. The 7th Habit of

Hightly Effective people is to " stop and 'sharpen the saw' " otherwise the

efficiency of the whole process goes down. I know I will have achieved my

goal when, in addition to being symptom-free, I will also have flushes that

don't produce much in the way of stones.

Will in Minneapolis>>

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<<Somewhere I read an interesting idea, maybe here, I cannot remember, that

some experts think cholesterol stones are made when you are on a low-fat diet

too

long and the body is trying to stockpile supplies it might need later for

chemical processes. Gave me food for thought -->>

The highest cholesterol reading I have ever had was the day after a 3 day fast

and into the 4th day - nothing but water. Happened to have a dr's appointment

and had the blood test and my reading was 318!! You will get many gallstones if

you diet and lose weight, and if you Yo Yo diet, get more yet. As you lose

weight you are losing fat and protein and it's no different than eating loads of

untrimmed steaks. At the time of that blood test with the 318 cholesterol

reading, I had not been eating a high fat diet before hand. I think it was

simply my body fat gurgling around my system.

Jay

[Guest guest]

This is great info. I've only done 2 flushes so far however, after 2 or 3 more

I may just try this other flush. Also, as far as weight loss I also lost quite

a bit of weight just from my 2 flushes. I lost 12lbs from my two flushes. I by

no means am overweight. I only weigh about 138lbs and am 5'6. I constantly

hear from people that haven't seen me for awhile how much weight I've lost. I

hear it so much that I even asked my wife if she thinks I've lost to much

weight. She reassured me that I look just fine. My diet has been very good for

the past 3 years and I did my 2 flushes in the past year so I know my weight

loss is from the flushes. I'm going to be doing another flush in the next 2

weeks as its been 6 months since my last flush. I'll let everyone know how this

flush goes.

Take care

Craig

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> From: " Jay T " <JaysTownsend@...>

> Date: 2004/05/10 Mon PM 09:01:57 EDT

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