cravings

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Oftentimes cravings can be caused by candida or parasites. You may want to

check out Dr. Hulda 's books. You can get info at http://www..ch

At 02:15 PM 11/09/1999 GMT, you wrote:

>From: " nope " <maria1030@...>

>

>

>I am unclear about cravings, are they reactions to food allergies or or they

>telling me mybody needs something. Two weeks ago (the week b4 Halloween) I

>went on an absolute binge. First one I had been on in years, and Ate

>everything that wasn't nailed down. Chocolate, Chocolate, chocolate. I had

>some sweet potato chips, and ate bags full, both dairy and non-dairy

>chocolate. I thought something is not right. I have been on the Atkins and

>hadn't had this, but started this diet and boom - a binge. Any insights?

>

>

[Guest guest]

My alternative medical doctor told me that we crave things that we are

allergic to. That was a new concept for me. I always had heard the opposite;

we crave things we need. I like you crave sweets and chocolate. Now I

understand it was just my candidias " speaking " All of those little fungi

screaming, " Please send more donuts,

more ice cream, more chocolate, more...!

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

I am unclear about cravings, are they reactions to food allergies or or they

telling me mybody needs something. Two weeks ago (the week b4 Halloween) I

went on an absolute binge. First one I had been on in years, and Ate

everything that wasn't nailed down. Chocolate, Chocolate, chocolate. I had

some sweet potato chips, and ate bags full, both dairy and non-dairy

chocolate. I thought something is not right. I have been on the Atkins and

hadn't had this, but started this diet and boom - a binge. Any insights?

>From: SFerris769@...

>Reply-onelist

>onelist

>Subject: Re: Frustration in KC

>Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:47:19 EST

>

>From: SFerris769@...

>

>In a message dated 11/9/1999 8:02:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>Runtshell@... writes:

>

><< I hear others having good results.

> ...I'm not sure about me. >>

>

>Hi Rochelle,

>

>I have the same problems that you are talking about. I don't know what

>causes the gas, but I put mine down to cheating on the diet over the

>summer.

>I starting taking 2 cayenne pepper pills and 2 garlic pills with each meal,

>or at least twice a day. I find that the cayenne pepper really helps gas

>and

>stomach upset. It took a couple of weeks but now the gas is gone.

>

>I haven't lost any weight and I have a lot of cravings. I find that I try

>to

>not eat avoids when I crave, but I do eat a lot of nuts and carob chips and

>other fairly good things but they do have a lot of fat and calories in

>them.

>I crave every evening after dinner. I seem to be okay all day, but it

>somehow seems that the evening meal starts the cravings. I don't know what

>the answer is. I am open to any suggestions.

>

>Regards,

>Sharon

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Dr. 's parasite tincture is amazing... i used it over the summer...want

to do it again...felt great for a couple months.

robin

Re: cravings

>From: Raskin DC <lraskin@...>

>

>Dear ,

>

>Oftentimes cravings can be caused by candida or parasites. You may want to

>check out Dr. Hulda 's books. You can get info at

http://www..ch

>

>

>

>

>At 02:15 PM 11/09/1999 GMT, you wrote:

>>From: " nope " <maria1030@...>

>>

>>

>>I am unclear about cravings, are they reactions to food allergies or or

they

>>telling me mybody needs something. Two weeks ago (the week b4 Halloween)

I

>>went on an absolute binge. First one I had been on in years, and Ate

>>everything that wasn't nailed down. Chocolate, Chocolate, chocolate. I

had

>>some sweet potato chips, and ate bags full, both dairy and non-dairy

>>chocolate. I thought something is not right. I have been on the Atkins

and

>>hadn't had this, but started this diet and boom - a binge. Any insights?

>>

>>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Eireen,

I'll give it a try.

Thanks,

Rose

--- singingfem@... wrote:

> Rose - The supplement chromium picolinate works to

> reduce/eliminate cravings.

> I take two tablets every morning and never have any

> cravings. If I go off it

> for more than a week, the cravings come back. Good

> luck!

>

> ~Eireen

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Carruthers wrote: What is the evidence behind cravings?

**** Well, as any woman can tell you, the answer is " hormones! " Of

course, this answer is more socially acceptable coming from women

(wow, have we put one over on you guys) because it does not require

that willpower of any kind be exercised. Any time I can't figure

out why I'm out of control for whatever reason, I blame it on a

hormone imbalance. I guess this would fall under the heading of

physiological since that what starts it in the first place.

Rosemary Wedderburn-Vernon

Marina del Rey, CA

IronRoses@...

http://home.earthlink.net/~dogbiscuit

[Guest guest]

Rosemary writes:

Well, as any woman can tell you, the answer is " hormones! " Of

course, this answer is more socially acceptable coming from women

(wow, have we put one over on you guys) because it does not require

that willpower of any kind be exercised. Any time I can't figure

out why I'm out of control for whatever reason, I blame it on a

hormone imbalance. I guess this would fall under the heading of

physiological since that what starts it in the first place.

**Isn't is also possible that cravings may also reflect an insufficiency

or need in diet? If I have a craving for citrus or for foods that are

high in iron, it might be my body isn't getting enough of what I need.

DeLorenzo

NY, NY

[Guest guest]

In fact, there is little if any support for the idea you refer to,

typically called " specific hungers. "

OTOH, current theories of craving suggest that craving is not simply

hormonal in nature, but is an interaction between conditioning

(learning) and physiology.

For instance, the following from Woods, Schwartz, Baskin, & Seeley

(2000). Food intake and the regulation of body weight. Annual Review

of Psychology, 51, 255-277.

-----------------

The Role of Learning

An important question concerns the factors that actually cause an

individual to initiate a meal, or to experience " hunger. " That is,

if, under normal conditions, decreases of blood glucose or fats (or

their correlated utilization) do not cause an animal to eat, what does?

Although there are no clear answers to this question, there are

compelling data that environmental stimuli previously associated with

the ingestion of calories can elicit eating (Sclafani 1997, Warwick

1996, Woods & Strubbe 1994).

Time of day is a particularly salient cue (Woods & Strubbe 1994), and a

large literature documents the observation that when animals are habitually

fed at the same, arbitrarily-selected time each day, they learn to synthesize

and

secrete hormones and neurotransmitters that are important controllers

of food intake [e.g. insulin (Woods et al 1996, 1977) and

neuropeptide Y (Yoshihara et al 1996a,]. Animals readily learn

associations based upon the caloric content of food they receive, and

the later presence of these cues in turn contributes to how much food

is consumed during meals (Sclafani 1997, Warwick & Schiffman 1992).

There is even evidence that the ability of " satiety " factors such as

cholecystokinin (see below) to reduce meal size is modifiable by

learning (Goodison & Siegel 1995).

Finally, the argument has been made that diurnal fluctuations of hormones

and neurotransmitters that are important determinants of meals and meal

size are in fact entrained to the time that animals normally eat the largest

meals of

the day (Woods & Strubbe 1994).

It is therefore reasonable to conclude that based upon an individual's history,

idiosyncratic stimuli in the environment contribute to the timing of meals, and

that associations based upon the caloric (and nutrient) content of

previously consumed foods contribute to how much is eaten (e.g.

Altizer & son 1999, son et al 1997, Sclafani 1997, Warwick

& Weingarten 1996).

----------------

Jack Darkes, Ph.D.

Department of Psychology

University of South Florida

Tampa, FL

---------

Rosemary writes:

> Well, as any woman can tell you, the answer is " hormones! " Of

> course, this answer is more socially acceptable coming from women

> (wow, have we put one over on you guys) because it does not require

> that willpower of any kind be exercised. Any time I can't figure

> out why I'm out of control for whatever reason, I blame it on a

> hormone imbalance. I guess this would fall under the heading of

> physiological since that what starts it in the first place.

De Lorenzo wrote:

> **Isn't is also possible that cravings may also reflect an

insufficiency

> or need in diet? If I have a craving for citrus or for foods that

are

> high in iron, it might be my body isn't getting enough of what I

need.

[Guest guest]

Well, I have experienced " cravings " for foods that were NOT apparently

hormonally driven.

for example, a couple of years ago I was keeping a food diary and consulting

with a sports nutritionist from time to time.

Anyway, the apparent cause was a shortage of carbs in my diet, and a

specific carb laden food kept being visualized and seemed to be the only

thing I wanted to eat...for about 2 days. Ate it every day for 5 days, and

talked to the nutritionist - who looked at my overall intake and said it was

clear I was short carbs and thus the body was asking for them.

Nothing to do with " that time of the month " or any other typical carb

loading periods experienced by a woman. Just short of carbs for fuel, as an

athlete, and my body asked for them.

I've had the same thing happen with steaks and other protein laden foods

when I was apparently short of that in my diet as well. The craving is so

strong that if you don't give in, you start to see them, and even

smell/taste them at times....

I disagree with an earlier poster that only women or pregnant women can have

these sorts of cravings. One coworker, male, who went on salads for 4 weeks

to try to reduce his bodyweight craved burgers so badly he finally started

talking about them...until presented with 4 from aggravated coworkers.

I have wondered though how many people actually listen to their bodies

enough to realize what they " want " to eat - before cleaning out the

cupboard. There is some evidence that eating whatever the food is first

will prevent overeating by those on restricted diets too?

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter

<consumer of pop tarts......breakfast of champions..and anything else I feel

like eating!>

Denver, Colorado, USA

Re: Cravings

>In fact, there is little if any support for the idea you refer to,

>typically called " specific hungers. "

>

>OTOH, current theories of craving suggest that craving is not simply

>hormonal in nature, but is an interaction between conditioning

>(learning) and physiology.

>

>For instance, the following from Woods, Schwartz, Baskin, & Seeley

>(2000). Food intake and the regulation of body weight. Annual Review

>of Psychology, 51, 255-277.

>

>-----------------

>

>The Role of Learning

>

>An important question concerns the factors that actually cause an

>individual to initiate a meal, or to experience " hunger. " That is,

>if, under normal conditions, decreases of blood glucose or fats (or

>their correlated utilization) do not cause an animal to eat, what does?

>

>Although there are no clear answers to this question, there are

>compelling data that environmental stimuli previously associated with

>the ingestion of calories can elicit eating (Sclafani 1997, Warwick

>1996, Woods & Strubbe 1994).

>

>Time of day is a particularly salient cue (Woods & Strubbe 1994), and a

>large literature documents the observation that when animals are habitually

>fed at the same, arbitrarily-selected time each day, they learn to

synthesize and

>secrete hormones and neurotransmitters that are important controllers

>of food intake [e.g. insulin (Woods et al 1996, 1977) and

>neuropeptide Y (Yoshihara et al 1996a,]. Animals readily learn

>associations based upon the caloric content of food they receive, and

>the later presence of these cues in turn contributes to how much food

>is consumed during meals (Sclafani 1997, Warwick & Schiffman 1992).

>

>There is even evidence that the ability of " satiety " factors such as

>cholecystokinin (see below) to reduce meal size is modifiable by

>learning (Goodison & Siegel 1995).

>

>Finally, the argument has been made that diurnal fluctuations of hormones

>and neurotransmitters that are important determinants of meals and meal

>size are in fact entrained to the time that animals normally eat the

largest meals of

>the day (Woods & Strubbe 1994).

>

>It is therefore reasonable to conclude that based upon an individual's

history,

>idiosyncratic stimuli in the environment contribute to the timing of meals,

and

>that associations based upon the caloric (and nutrient) content of

>previously consumed foods contribute to how much is eaten (e.g.

>Altizer & son 1999, son et al 1997, Sclafani 1997, Warwick

> & Weingarten 1996).

>

>----------------

>

>Jack Darkes, Ph.D.

>Department of Psychology

>University of South Florida

>Tampa, FL

>

>---------

>

>Rosemary writes:

>

>> Well, as any woman can tell you, the answer is " hormones! " Of

>> course, this answer is more socially acceptable coming from women

>> (wow, have we put one over on you guys) because it does not require

>> that willpower of any kind be exercised. Any time I can't figure

>> out why I'm out of control for whatever reason, I blame it on a

>> hormone imbalance. I guess this would fall under the heading of

>> physiological since that what starts it in the first place.

>

> De Lorenzo wrote:

>

>> **Isn't is also possible that cravings may also reflect an

>insufficiency

>> or need in diet? If I have a craving for citrus or for foods that

>are

>> high in iron, it might be my body isn't getting enough of what I

>need.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

DeLorenzo wrote:

Isn't is also possible that cravings may

also reflect an insufficiency or need in diet? If I have a craving

for citrus or for foods that are high in iron, it might be my body

isn't getting enough of what I need.

**** Sure, but lots of times people don't crave good food. Women

are notorious for heading for the nearest item they identify as

chocolate. Although chocolate does contain some good things, I

never knew anyone who headed for the unsweetened cooking variety!

[i really must be weird, Rosemary - I have had an insatiable craving for

good salads for many years and find any meal barren unless it is

accompanied by a tasty bowl of ungarnished salads. As a teenager, I

conditioned my dear mother into having my own large bowl of extra

salads just for me at every dinner. Now my dear wife has learned

the same! How does one explain my craving? I cannot be deficient in

all of the nutrients in the wide variety of salads that I eat daily. Mel Siff]

Rosemary Wedderburn-Vernon

Marina del Rey, CA

IronRoses@...

http://home.earthlink.net/~dogbiscuit

[Guest guest]

I agree, Mel, there's nothing like a good salad, and a big one at

that. I happen to enjoy salads much more so than cooked vegetables;

my family has dubbed me " the rabbit. " For some reason I can eat

large amounts of uncooked vegetables with no problems. This is not

true of everyone; some folks find uncooked vegetables make them feel

bloated or only care for a small amount. Maybe you and I have a

second stomach!

As far as the chocolate thing, I said this somewhat in jest.

Although I fortunately never had the problem, I know many women who

become fixated on chocolate bon-bon style candy around the time of

their periods. In thinking about those I know, some are in

excellent physical shape, so that seems to have nothing to do with

it. I'm sure there's some explanation but it must have something to

do with hormone levels because they don't have these same cravings

at other times of the month.

[Then I must have some femmale hormones lurking in the darker reaches

of my body, because I also crave chocolate at almost any time, and actively

have to resist eating it except as a special after-dinner treat. And, it

doesn't

simply have to do with the sugar in it, because I used to raid my mother's

raw cooking chocolate supply whenever she stocked up with it. For chocolate

afficianados, if you are addicted to American chocs, whatever you do, don't try

chocs from Belgium , Switzerland, Holland or Sweden because they make the US

brands (especially Hersheys) taste like waste products! I have just returned

from my Swedish lecture trip with a good supply of Swedish chocs! Mel Siff]

Rosemary Wedderburn-Vernon

Marina del Rey, CA

IronRoses@...

http://home.earthlink.net/~dogbiscuit

[Guest guest]

This review may help (or not) solve part of the puzzle concerning

cravings.

Brain serotonin, carbohydrate-craving, obesity and depression.

Wurtman RJ, Wurtman JJ. Obesity Research, 1995.

Serotonin-releasing brain neurons are unique in that the amount of

neurotransmitter they release is normally controlled by food intake:

Carbohydrate consumption--acting via insulin secretion and

the " plasma tryptophan ratio " --increases serotonin release; protein

intake lacks this effect.

This ability of neurons to couple neuronal signaling properties to

food consumption is a link in the feedback mechanism that normally

keeps carbohydrate and protein intakes more or less constant.

However, serotonin release is also involved in such functions as

sleep onset, pain sensitivity, blood pressure regulation, and control

of the mood. Hence many patients learn to overeat carbohydrates

(particularly snack foods, like potato chips or pastries, which are

rich in carbohydrates and fats) to make themselves feel better.

This tendency to use certain foods as though they were drugs is a

frequent cause of weight gain, and can also be seen in patients who

become fat when exposed to stress, or in women with premenstrual

syndrome, or in patients with " winter depression, " or in people who

are attempting to give up smoking. (Nicotine, like dietary

carbohydrates, increases brain serotonin secretion; nicotine

withdrawal has the opposite effect.) It also occurs in patients with

normal-weight bulimia. Dexfenfluramine constitutes a highly effective

treatment for such patients. In addition to producing its general

satiety-promoting effect, it specifically reduces their

overconsumption of carbohydrate-rich (or carbohydrate-and fat-rich)

foods.

---------------------

Any comments would be greatly appreciated,

Carruthers

Wakefield

UK

[Guest guest]

I notice that late in the evening, when we usually have our last

" feed " of the day, the desire for carbs is strong. I understand

this normal before-sleep reaction is because carbs help to raise

serotonin levels, thus preparing us for a good night's rest. I've

found the best way around this is to mix protein powder into some

cottage cheese or oatmeal. If the protein is sweetened, it seems

to make a great deal of difference even though I don't tend to crave

sweets otherwise.

Speaking of serotonin, I wonder if anyone on the list has any

comments about most anti-depressants which tend to do the same

thing. What happens to these people? Do these drugs just put them

back into " normal " mode or can they cause the body to overdo the

serotonin production?

What about Ecastsy? I've heard that it raises serotonin levels very

high so that people feel wonderful (which is pretty obvious to look

at them). But it also interfers with the body's normal serotonin

production so that people try to use more and more of the stuff just

to feel happy. Is this correct?

Rosemary Wedderburn-Vernon

Marina del Rey, CA

IronRoses@...

http://home.earthlink.net/~dogbiscuit

[Guest guest]

Rosemary Wedderburn-Vernon:

<Speaking of serotonin, I wonder if anyone on the list has any

comments about most anti-depressants which tend to do the same

thing. What happens to these people? Do these drugs just put them

back into " normal " mode or can they cause the body to overdo the

serotonin production?>

** SSRIs in therapeutic dosages expose the brain to vastly more serotonin than

is found " normally " in non-drugged individuals, which may or may not be a bad

thing... I suggest you read the book PROZAC BACKLASH by I-forget-his-name.

Good read.

What about Ecstasy? I've heard that it raises serotonin levels very

high so that people feel wonderful (which is pretty obvious to look

at them). But it also interfers with the body's normal serotonin

production so that people try to use more and more of the stuff just

to feel happy. Is this correct?<<

** Perhaps among chronic users, but not in my experience among recreational

users...

Kirsner

Los Angeles

[Guest guest]

I'm having this same problem Kat. Today I was dying for chocolate

and chips. I finally broke down and bought a bag of pretzels... the

chocolate is still screaming at me though. I tried a mini bar but

that didn't do the trick. I'd love any suggestions.

> Any suggestions on what I can do to stop the cravings when

it's 'that

> time of the month'?? I crave carbs, sugar and chocolate. I have

> tried to increase my protein and watch my carb intake. I have even

> tried to switch to complex carbs. I tried Metabolife too...but

that

> Ephidrine kind of scares me.

>

> Kat

[Guest guest]

>I crave carbs, sugar and chocolate. I have

What about luna bars? Could that fit? Some of those flavors they make

are very candy-like (ex: cherry covered chocolate). Maybe Clif bars

or powerbars have other flavors that could work?

Astrophe

[Guest guest]

Hi Kat!

I have found that what helps me most during TOM is just to have

another small meal during the day to cut the craving. Technically,

it's okay to be hungrier because your body is expending more calories

to make it happen.

So, I like to make up some protein pudding with lots of chocolate

flavor or have a protein bar on those couple days when the cravings

are bad. If I don't (and I know this from experience), then those

cravings lead to a binge of cheese and crackers.

So, don't think it's something you need more mental power to control.

Just listen to your body and have a little more to eat.

HTH,

Maggie

[Guest guest]

Kat,

I agree with Maggie that eating an extra (authorized) meal will

usually do the trick. Flax oil really helps me, too. Last week, I

had terrible PMS, so I had a protein shake with a banana, 1 T. of

unsweetened cocoa powder and 1 T. of flax oil in the afternoons when

I thought I wouldn't be able to hold out much longer. It satisfied

my cravings for chocolate and sugar (the banana has lots of natural

fructose!), and the flax kept me full for hours.

I sometimes hesitate to eat any extra meals, because I'm still a

calorie counter deep down inside, but I look at it this way: Would I

rather have a 300 calories shake full of protein and good fats or

resort to a 3000 calorie binge an hour later? Eating even 600

calories of authorized food is preferable to going on a self-

destructive binge. Don't let the cravings get the best of you.

Dani

[Guest guest]

NO help for me. I caved yesterday and today. Days 9 and Days 10. Hope you can hang in there. And whatever help you can fine let me know.

I went to soup and salad tonight and had a big huge salad with the ham chunks. I also, had vegetable soup.

Last night, I splurged on a few chips and nachos.

Whatever advice you get, please let me know. I gained an entire pound today and expect to see a 2 pound gain tomorrow. Can you believe that? I spent an entire week on the program - and then gain but I will not even eat over a 1000 calories today or even yesterday... Weird program. It sounds like you really have to follow to a core.

I am still proud of me as I have had no bread, pasta, rice, sweets, or chocolate in 10 days.

Thanks.

M

[Guest guest]

Hi Mialinda,

That's the thing about HCG. If you dare eat

while it is still in your system you gain

weight even faster than if you weren't on it.

I know I'm going to find it difficult. Is

anyone using suppressants? What are they? Where

did you get them? And---I guess most importantly

---do they work?

[Guest guest]

HI Mealinda,

From everything that I have read, tried and used myself to deal with

hunger, make sure you keep drinking water. You can even try a little

lemon in your water. Also, drink the variety of teas that are

suggested. The Yerba Mate is outstanding for ending hunger. I brew a

huge pot early in the day and then put it one of my many 4 cup bottles

and drink it all day long. This really works for me.

Jodie

>

> Hi Mialinda,

>

> That's the thing about HCG. If you dare eat

> while it is still in your system you gain

> weight even faster than if you weren't on it.

>

> I know I'm going to find it difficult. Is

> anyone using suppressants? What are they? Where

> did you get them? And---I guess most importantly

> ---do they work?

>

[Guest guest]

So, those of us who are hungry are just emotional. I wish you would tell my hungry belly....

M

[Guest guest]

I don't think that you'll need suppressants. I am not hungry at all on this program. It's just all emotional.Kathleennightowl0001 <dallayce@...> wrote: Hi Mialinda, That's the thing about HCG. If you dare eat while it is still in your system you gain weight even faster than if you weren't on it. I know I'm going to find it difficult. Is anyone using suppressants? What are they? Where did you get them? And---I guess most importantly ---do they work?

Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mialinda,You should be proud of yourself for not eating the bread, pasta, rice, sweets, or chocolate for 10 days! Believe me, I know how difficult it is! Keep going. It will be worth it!I will let you know if I find anything that works for me. I feel much better today... resolved again. It won't be easy, but we can do it.You go girl!KathleenMialinda Francis <mfrancis@...> wrote: NO help for me. I caved

yesterday and today. Days 9 and Days 10. Hope you can hang in there. And whatever help you can fine let me know. I went to soup and salad tonight and had a big huge salad with the ham chunks. I also, had vegetable soup. Last night, I splurged on a few chips and nachos. Whatever advice you get, please let me know. I gained an entire pound today and expect to see a 2 pound gain tomorrow. Can you believe that? I spent an entire week on the program - and then gain but I will not even eat over a 1000 calories today or even yesterday... Weird program. It sounds like you really have to follow to a core. I am still proud of me as I have had no bread, pasta, rice, sweets, or chocolate

in 10 days. Thanks. M

Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out

new cars at Autos.

[Guest guest]

Day 11. I started the phentermine today. I got my product from anabolic-pharma. Mixed 25CC of bac water with HCG. And I still feel hungry even taking the phentermine too.