Carbs/Fats

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

What is the difference between total carbs and net carbs in relation to

candida.

Example with brocolli boiled(1/2 cup) is 3.9gr total carbs, with net

carbs at 1.6gr.

Also i have to cut back on my ghee intake due to expense from 3tbsp to

1tbsp per day split between meals. I was going to replace the ghee with

olive oil, if olive oil can be counted as one of your recommended good

fats like CO,pork fat etc. So now i would take two tbsp of olive oil,

and 1tbsp of ghee per day along with CO and other natural fats from meat

and eggs.

Each day i try to have a couple of chicken drumstick, and remove the

bones, and let them soak for a few hours in about a cup of water and

then boil a little before next meal. I like the taste. Would that little

amount give me much calcium and if so should i alter my current calcium

intake which is currentlt 300mg twice daily along with all other supps.

Finally, a few days back i baked a chicken with inch of water in bottom

of pot. When it was cooked i drained water, and drank some with meal

(yummy). The rest i stored in glass jar and refriderated, and it gelled

up semi solid. My question is how long would that be good for stored in

the fridge. Hopefully a long time.

Thank you, Caine.............

[Guest guest]

> Hi Bee,

>

> What is the difference between total carbs and net carbs in relation to

candida. Example with brocolli boiled(1/2 cup) is 3.9gr total carbs, with net

carbs at 1.6gr.

+++Hi Caine.

That is a good question because it made me look up more details about broccoli

on fitday. Also, yesterday I was asked whether celery root, called celeriac,

was okay and fitday had no fibers listed for boiled celery root (celeriac).

However no one keeps foods boiling; they are brought " to a " boil and the heat is

turned down to a simmer. That also made me question fitday.

Here's what fitday.com has for broccoli, for 1 cup serving size:

-Broccoli, raw, chopped, 5.8g carbs minus 2.3g fibers = 3.5g net carbs

-Broccoli, cooked (doesn't say it is chopped or not), 13.2g carbs minus 6.0g

fibers = 7.2g net carbs

-Broccoli, cooked, chopped, from fresh, 13.6g carbs minus 6.0g fibers = 7.6g net

carbs<<<Highest net carbs

-Broccoli, chopped, cooked, boiled w/o salt, 11.2g carbs minus 5.1g fibers =

6.1g net carbs

-Broccoli, chopped, cooked, boiled with salt, 7.9g carbs minus 5.1g fibers =

2.8g net carbs<<<lowest net carbs

-Adele ' book Let's Eat Right To Keep Fit has broccoli, steamed, 9.0 carbs

minus 1.9 fibers = 6.1g net carbs.

+++The range of net carbs on fitday is 2.8g to 7.6g. Wow! We already " know "

nutritional calculators are incomplete for nutrients in meats and eggs, so can

any of us trust them? Since I started relying on nutritional calculators I've

made a lot of mistakes.

+++How can we depend upon the accuracy of fitday and maybe other calculators,

and how can you get correct net carbs per your ratios that way?

+++The allowed foods on my list were originally based upon the percent of carbs,

which I got from a book (can't find the book now). That was long before I knew

about Nutritional Calculators or understood fibers, how to interpret Nutrient

Labels, ratios, etc.

+++After that original list, whenever I added a food or questioned a food, I

used the nutritional calculator and compared carbs to foods I knew were the

highest in percent of carbs on my list.

+++Back then it was a very simple comparison based upon the percent of carbs

with the acceptable range for candida sufferers 6% and lower.

Here's my original list, Food Choices on the Candida Diet with Percent of Carbs

(it did not list as many foods as I have now).

1. Best food choices (lowest carb count = approximately 3% carbs):

asparagus, bean sprouts, beet greens, broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, celery,

chard, cucumber, endive, lettuce, mustard greens, radish, spinach, tomato,

watercress

Other good choices: fresh garlic & ginger, homemade sprouts, i.e. alfalfa,

clover, radish.

NOTE: garlic is actually very high in carbs so the reference I used was wrong,

since it is 15% carbs.

2. Next best food choices (low carb count = approximately 6% carbs):

brussel sprouts, chives, collards, dandelion greens, green beans, eggplant,

kale, kohlrabi, leeks, okra, onion, parsley, peppers, rutabagas, turnip, and

lemon (it's a fruit, but low enough in sugar to be a friendly food)

Other good choices: fresh herbs, i.e. cilantro, chervil, tarragon, etc., olives

(no vinegar!).

3. Avoid these foods on the Candida diet (Medium-High Carb count = approximately

15-20% carbs):

avocado, beet, all beans & legumes, carrot, corn, all fruits (except

lemons & limes), grains, potatoes, sweet potatoes, yams, artichoke,

oyster plant, parsnip, peas, squash

I may go back to foods on my foods list by percent of carbs, and I also hope to

come up with some easier way to calculate ratios and net grams, etc. too.

Caine continues: Also i have to cut back on my ghee intake due to expense from

3tbsp to 1tbsp per day split between meals. I was going to replace the ghee with

olive oil, if olive oil can be counted as one of your recommended good fats like

CO, pork fat etc. So now i would take two tbsp of olive oil, and 1tbsp of ghee

per day along with CO and other natural fats from meat and eggs.

+++Olive oil is not a replacement for ghee. Ghee is made from butter, so replace

it with regular butter. It doesn't matter whether it is organic or not since

butter still has most of its important nutrients even after pasteurization; or

make your own ghee from butter. Olive oil should be 2 tablespoons per day

maximum because it contains Omega 6 (the essential fatty acid we are trying to

keep balanced with Omega 3 from fish oil or cod liver oil).

>

>> Each day i try to have a couple of chicken drumstick, and remove the bones,

and let them soak for a few hours in about a cup of water and then boil a little

before next meal. I like the taste. Would that little amount give me much

calcium and if so should i alter my current calcium intake which is currentlt

300mg twice daily along with all other supps.

+++You wouldn't get any calcium by soaking them in water, without any acidic

medium like lemon juice, even if you boil them. After you bring any foods to a

boil, lower the heat and simmer then until done.

+++Chicken bones must be soaked in water and lemon juice for 1/2 hour and then

cooked (not boiled) for 12 hours to get enough minerals in the bone broth to

substitute taking cal/mag supplements.

>

> Finally, a few days back i baked a chicken with inch of water in bottom of

pot. When it was cooked i drained water, and drank some with meal (yummy). The

rest i stored in glass jar and refriderated, and it gelled up semi solid. My

question is how long would that be good for stored in the fridge. Hopefully a

long time.

+++I've kept bone broths with gelatin like that for 2 weeks.

Do well Caine. I think of you.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Bee wrote:

> +++Chicken bones must be soaked in water and lemon juice for 1/2 hour and then

cooked (not boiled) for 12 hours to get enough minerals in the bone broth to

substitute taking cal/mag supplements.

Bee, I want to clarify that if I boil a chicken for 3 hrs to cook the chicken,

that those 3 hrs do not count towards the bone broth 12 hrs, correct?

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

I,m currently still on all meat/fat, but when i feel im ready to due

carbs i will be choosing the ones on your original list( 3%) for sure.

Ok im sticking with correct amount of ghee, and will have a max of two

tbsp of olive oil s well.

Thanks for thinking of me, it means more than words can tell.Your group

is what has kept me going daily, and in my ruffest moments of despair.

I am doing weller(lol) than in the beginning of my journey, but i have

long road ahead of me. Still detoxing daily, random situations, but

slowly improving in certain areas where it has been profound, and

hopeful.

Your friend, Caine....................

>

> +++Hi Caine.

>

> That is a good question because it made me look up more details about

broccoli on fitday. Also, yesterday I was asked whether celery root,

called celeriac, was okay and fitday had no fibers listed for boiled

celery root (celeriac). However no one keeps foods boiling; they are

brought " to a " boil and the heat is turned down to a simmer. That also

made me question fitday.

>

> Here's what fitday.com has for broccoli, for 1 cup serving size:

>

> -Broccoli, raw, chopped, 5.8g carbs minus 2.3g fibers = 3.5g net carbs

> -Broccoli, cooked (doesn't say it is chopped or not), 13.2g carbs

minus 6.0g fibers = 7.2g net carbs

> -Broccoli, cooked, chopped, from fresh, 13.6g carbs minus 6.0g fibers

= 7.6g net carbs<<<Highest net carbs

> -Broccoli, chopped, cooked, boiled w/o salt, 11.2g carbs minus 5.1g

fibers = 6.1g net carbs

> -Broccoli, chopped, cooked, boiled with salt, 7.9g carbs minus 5.1g

fibers = 2.8g net carbs<<<lowest net carbs

>

> -Adele ' book Let's Eat Right To Keep Fit has broccoli, steamed,

9.0 carbs minus 1.9 fibers = 6.1g net carbs.

>

> +++The range of net carbs on fitday is 2.8g to 7.6g. Wow! We already

" know " nutritional calculators are incomplete for nutrients in meats and

eggs, so can any of us trust them? Since I started relying on

nutritional calculators I've made a lot of mistakes.

>

> +++How can we depend upon the accuracy of fitday and maybe other

calculators, and how can you get correct net carbs per your ratios that

way?

>

> +++The allowed foods on my list were originally based upon the percent

of carbs, which I got from a book (can't find the book now). That was

long before I knew about Nutritional Calculators or understood fibers,

how to interpret Nutrient Labels, ratios, etc.

>

> +++After that original list, whenever I added a food or questioned a

food, I used the nutritional calculator and compared carbs to foods I

knew were the highest in percent of carbs on my list.

>

> +++Back then it was a very simple comparison based upon the percent of

carbs with the acceptable range for candida sufferers 6% and lower.

>

> Here's my original list, Food Choices on the Candida Diet with Percent

of Carbs (it did not list as many foods as I have now).

>

> 1. Best food choices (lowest carb count = approximately 3% carbs):

> asparagus, bean sprouts, beet greens, broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower,

celery, chard, cucumber, endive, lettuce, mustard greens, radish,

spinach, tomato, watercress

> Other good choices: fresh garlic & ginger, homemade sprouts, i.e.

alfalfa, clover, radish.

>

> NOTE: garlic is actually very high in carbs so the reference I used

was wrong, since it is 15% carbs.

>

> 2. Next best food choices (low carb count = approximately 6% carbs):

> brussel sprouts, chives, collards, dandelion greens, green beans,

eggplant, kale, kohlrabi, leeks, okra, onion, parsley, peppers,

rutabagas, turnip, and lemon (it's a fruit, but low enough in sugar to

be a friendly food)

> Other good choices: fresh herbs, i.e. cilantro, chervil, tarragon,

etc., olives (no vinegar!).

>

> 3. Avoid these foods on the Candida diet (Medium-High Carb count =

approximately 15-20% carbs):

> avocado, beet, all beans & legumes, carrot, corn, all fruits (except

> lemons & limes), grains, potatoes, sweet potatoes, yams, artichoke,

> oyster plant, parsnip, peas, squash

>

> I may go back to foods on my foods list by percent of carbs, and I

also hope to come up with some easier way to calculate ratios and net

grams, etc. too.

>

> Caine continues: Also i have to cut back on my ghee intake due to

expense from 3tbsp to 1tbsp per day split between meals. I was going to

replace the ghee with olive oil, if olive oil can be counted as one of

your recommended good fats like CO, pork fat etc. So now i would take

two tbsp of olive oil, and 1tbsp of ghee per day along with CO and other

natural fats from meat and eggs.

>

> +++Olive oil is not a replacement for ghee. Ghee is made from butter,

so replace it with regular butter. It doesn't matter whether it is

organic or not since butter still has most of its important nutrients

even after pasteurization; or make your own ghee from butter. Olive oil

should be 2 tablespoons per day maximum because it contains Omega 6 (the

essential fatty acid we are trying to keep balanced with Omega 3 from

fish oil or cod liver oil).

> >

> >> Each day i try to have a couple of chicken drumstick, and remove

the bones, and let them soak for a few hours in about a cup of water and

then boil a little before next meal. I like the taste. Would that little

amount give me much calcium and if so should i alter my current calcium

intake which is currentlt 300mg twice daily along with all other supps.

>

> +++You wouldn't get any calcium by soaking them in water, without any

acidic medium like lemon juice, even if you boil them. After you bring

any foods to a boil, lower the heat and simmer then until done.

>

> +++Chicken bones must be soaked in water and lemon juice for 1/2 hour

and then cooked (not boiled) for 12 hours to get enough minerals in the

bone broth to substitute taking cal/mag supplements.

> >

> > Finally, a few days back i baked a chicken with inch of water in

bottom of pot. When it was cooked i drained water, and drank some with

meal (yummy). The rest i stored in glass jar and refriderated, and it

gelled up semi solid. My question is how long would that be good for

stored in the fridge. Hopefully a long time.

>

> +++I've kept bone broths with gelatin like that for 2 weeks.

>

> Do well Caine. I think of you.

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > +++Chicken bones must be soaked in water and lemon juice for 1/2 hour and

then cooked (not boiled) for 12 hours to get enough minerals in the bone broth

to substitute taking cal/mag supplements.

>

> Bee, I want to clarify that if I boil a chicken for 3 hrs to cook the chicken,

that those 3 hrs do not count towards the bone broth 12 hrs, correct?

>

+++Hi ,

You would not keep boiling anything for 3 hours. After it comes to a boil lower

the heat so it simmers for the rest of the time needed to cook something.

If you use a whole chicken or chicken with meat on it, there's a different way

of handling it when you continue to cooks the bones for bone broth, - see my

recipe for Mineral-Rich Bone Broth:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe21.php

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I,m currently still on all meat/fat, but when i feel im ready to due

> carbs i will be choosing the ones on your original list( 3%) for sure.

>

> Ok im sticking with correct amount of ghee, and will have a max of two

> tbsp of olive oil s well.

>

> Thanks for thinking of me, it means more than words can tell.Your group

> is what has kept me going daily, and in my ruffest moments of despair.

>

> I am doing weller(lol) than in the beginning of my journey, but i have

> long road ahead of me. Still detoxing daily, random situations, but

> slowly improving in certain areas where it has been profound, and

> hopeful.

>

+++Hi Caine. It is great to get your updates since we had a few consultations

that I enjoyed.

Your friend, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

I am wondering what all are good sources for more good fats? Every time I try

and have ghee, it seems to bothers me. Is coconut oil good fat, or only oil?

Thank you

Elaine

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> [snip] Is coconut oil good fat, or only oil?

Elaine - coconut oil is a great fat. The recommended daily amount, tho, is

" just " 5.5 Tbsp so you'll need to find more fat than that, probably.

Are you able to eat egg yolks? And choosing the fattier meats (dark chicken

meat, for instance, and the skin) would help increase your fat intake.

L in WA

began 03/09/10

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I am wondering what all are good sources for more good fats? Every time I try

and have ghee, it seems to bothers me. Is coconut oil good fat, or only oil?

>

+++Hi Elaine,

You will find your answers in the " required reading " for group members, as

follows:

How to Successfully Overcome Candida:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

Curing Candida, How to Get Started:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

Please read first, and ask questions that are not covered in my articles.

Thanks a lot.

Bee