Guest guest Posted February 24, 1999 Report Share Posted February 24, 1999 Scientific Botanicals makes two green tea extract products. One is a liquid and one is a powder. A company that sells it is called For Your Health at 1-800-456-4325. Does anyone know how much green tea I would have to drink a day to benefit and also what cancers benefit the most? Would you have this information Vilik? ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 1999 Report Share Posted April 10, 1999 In a message dated 4/11/99 12:54:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, musharina73@... writes: > Green Tea and of course I > cant remember. What is this tea supposed to be used > for? Also, is it decaffeinated by any chance? I love green tea, antioxidents ? not sure ....... I didn't post about it...... But I do know it is suppose to be good for us, I dont react to it, palps etc etc. but it might come in decaf also.... The L.I. lyme show was just on and it was reccomended by a PA on the show..., they also said it comes in a pill form, Green Tea and Grape Juice ooooh la la LOL Take care...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 1999 Report Share Posted April 10, 1999 What is so special about green tea? It contains a chemical called a 'polyphenol,' which is a powerful antioxidant. Antioxidants protect the body from the activity of harmful free radicals, etc etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 1999 Report Share Posted December 23, 1999 In a message dated 12/23/99 3:07:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, onelist writes: << How do you keep the green tea soap from turning brown around the edges? Am I using too much liquid tea? >> I don't know - how much tea are you using? Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2000 Report Share Posted June 18, 2000 I have been bad about staying on ER4YT lately, and have been drinking coffee regularly. After I read the article on green tea, I made some and drank it. I like the taste of some of the varieties, but it still gives me a stomachache! However, with all the benefits listed in the article, I want to learn to drink it! Is green tea more acidic than coffee? Coffee does not give me a stomachache. , Mississippi Gulf Coast, USA ======================================================================== ========= Re: Green Tea , Thanks for the info. I find I cannot drink green tea. It is too acidic for me.Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2000 Report Share Posted June 18, 2000 >I have been bad about staying on ER4YT lately, and have been drinking >coffee regularly. After I read the article on green tea, I made some >and drank it. I like the taste of some of the varieties, but it still >gives me a stomachache! However, with all the benefits listed in the >article, I want to learn to drink it! > >Is green tea more acidic than coffee? Coffee does not give me a >stomachache. Coffee makes my heart pound, so I'm usually too worried about that to notice whether it's more acidic. According to CR4YT, Green Tea isn't of any benefit to Type O's. Kinda disappointing, because I really love it. Oh well. If Green Tea bothers your stomach, try Rose Hips tea. It's HB, calming and yummy. Lynn P.S. Have you tried decaf Green Tea? I can't have caffeine so I drink Bigelow decaffeinated. It doesn't bother my stomach, but everyone's different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 , Thanks for the info. I find I cannot drink green tea. It is too acidic for me.Sherry >From: " MVM " <MVMobley@...> >Reply-egroups ><egroups> >Subject: Green Tea >Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:05:58 -0500 > >Hi all, I've been lurking for awhile and enjoying the posts... > >I ran across this article and thought some of you might be interested. >It's long, but I am glad I read it, so maybe you will too. > >, Mississippi, USA > >======================================================== >April 10, 2000 > >An Overview of Green Tea as a Therapeutic Agent >From The April, 2000 issue of The Integrative Medicine Consult >Tom Wolfe, PAHG > >Non-herbal tea is divided into three types, according to the method used >to >process the tea leaves. Black tea is fermented, oolong is partially >fermented, and green tea is unfermented. All are derived from the leaves >of >the evergreen shrub Camellia sinensis, which contain specific >polyphenols >called catechins and an enzyme polyphenol oxidase that is activated when >the >leaves are cut. Green tea retains significant amounts of polyphenols >because >it is produced by exposing the freshly cut leaves to hot steam or heat >before drying; this process effectively inactivates polyphenol oxidase. >Oolong and black tea leaves, however, are allowed to oxidize. The >polyphenol >content of green tea has been estimated at 30 percent of the weight of >the >dry leaves (Weisburger). A large portion of green tea polyphenols are >catechins, which have been shown to have significant therapeutic >activity. > >In Vitro Studies >In vitro studies show that components of green tea, particularly >catechins, >have powerful antioxidant effects. Such studies have suggested that >green >tea is comparable in antioxidant activity to butylated hydroxyanisol >(BHA) >(Tanizawa et al); inhibits LDL oxidation more effectively than vitamin C >(Luo et al); is a potent scavenger of oxygen species and blocks >UV-induced >oxidative DNA damage (Wei et al); and, as a supplement used with Jurkat >T >cells, decreases oxidative damage caused by iron treatment (Erba et al). >Omega-3 fatty acid-induced lipid peroxidation in human platelets was >prevented by catechins (Polette et al), and an extract of Camellia >sinensis >has been shown to effectively inhibit the attachment of Streptococcus >mutans >to saliva-coated discs, and thus to inhibit the formation of dental >caries >(Otake et al). In a test of extracts of four different types of Japanese >green tea, Horiba et al found that all were effective against a variety >of >bacteria; authors concluded that extracts of green tea may be useful in >the >treatment of infected root canals, and that green tea is comparable to >formocresol and phenol, without the inflammatory potential. > >Animal Studies >Animal studies corroborate in vitro research on green tea's >antioxidative >action. Strong antioxidative effects were found in a study of >iron-induced >oxidative stress in rat brain (Lin et al) and Vinson et al found an >antioxidant and hypolipidemic effect in hamsters. Green tea catechins >had a >positive effect on rat metabolism, resulting in a reduction of blood >glucose >levels (Matsumoto et al). Catechins also lowered serum cholesterol >levels in >mice fed a high fat emulsion (Matsuda et al). Gomes et al found that >both >black and green tea extracts significantly reduced blood glucose levels >and >had significant preventive and curative effects on experimentally >induced >diabetes in rats. Significantly lower caries scores were observed for S. >mutans-infected rats given drinking water containing polyphenol >compounds >derived from green tea as compared with rats that did not receive this >intervention (Otake et al). > >Human Studies >Human studies suggest that many of the effects observed in vitro and in >animal studies may also apply to humans. In a cross sectional study >(n=1371 >males) conducted in Japan, Imai and Nakachi found that high consumption >of >green tea (especially more than 10 cups per day) was associated with >decreased serum cholesterol and triglyceride concentrations, and >increased >HDL and decreased LDL concentrations. This study also found an inverse >relationship between consumption of green tea and hepatological serum >markers. In a 4-year study, Sato et al observed that there were >significantly fewer occurrences of stroke and cerebral hemorrhage among >Japanese women (n=5910) ingesting 5 or more cups of green tea a day than >among those who drank fewer than 5 cups daily. In another cross >sectional >study (n=1306), adjusted mean concentrations of total cholesterol were >found >to be 8 mg/dL lower in patients who drank 9 or more cups of green tea >daily >than in those consuming 0 to 2 cups per day (Kono et al). >Another study of green tea catechins involved 15 residents in long-term >care >facilities in Japan who were receiving gastroenteral liquid alimentation >via >nasogastric or gastric tubes. Participants each received 300 mg of tea >catechins daily for 3 weeks. This study showed green tea's inhibitory >effect >on ammonia, sulfide, and other odorous metabolites simultaneous with >increase of Lactobacilli and Bifidobacteria (Goto et al). This effect >was >reproduced in other trials. In a study conducted by Hara, 37 volunteers >ingested 500 mg of green tea polyphenols daily for 12 weeks; there was a >resulting 30 percent increase in the number of those experiencing bowel >regularity. Hara notes that tea polyphenols can be very effective in >inhibiting bacteria such as Clostridium botulinum, Staphylococcus >aureus, >and Vibrio cholera. At the same time, tea polyphenols appeared to >provide an >environment conducive to the growth of beneficial Acidophilus bacteria. >Therapeutic Effects of Green Tea * >= 10 cups/day associated with >decreased >levels of serum cholesterol and triglyceride concentrations * >= 10 >cups/day >associated with increased HDL and decreased LDL concentrations * >= 5 >cups/day associated with fewer occurrences of stroke and cerebral >hemorrhage >* Inhibitory effect on ammonia, sulfide, and other odorous metabolites; >increase of lactobacilli and bifidobacteria * Increased bowel regularity >* >Inhibitory effect on Clostridium botulinum, Staphylococcus aureus, and >Vibrio cholera bacteria > >Cancer Treatment >The use of green tea in cancer treatment shows great promise. In a >7-year >follow-up study of 472 women, increased consumption of green tea was >associated with decreased recurrence of stage 1 and stage 2 breast >cancer >(Nakachi et al). A strong inverse relationship between green tea >consumption >and overall cancer incidence, as well as an association between later >onset >of cancer and green tea consumption was observed in a large (n=8552) >prospective study by Imai et al. However, meta-analyses have been less >conclusive. Two of the most recent and comprehensive meta-analyses found >by >this reviewer were published in 1998 and 1999 (Bushman; Kuroda and >Hara). >Although many of the studies critiqued in the first review showed >inverse >relationships, the strongest being with stomach cancer, a significant >number >showed a neutral or positive association, which led the author to >conclude >that green tea is worthy of future research in cancer prevention in >humans >(Bushman). Kuroda and Hara focus on studies investigating the >anticarcinogenic and antimutagenic properties of tea polyphenols and >refer >to a Japanese study suggesting a strong inverse link between green tea >ingestion and cancer, especially lung cancer. Both reviews conclude that >further research is warranted. >Dosage and Preparation >Dosing-and in this case brewing-recommendations vary. One cup of green >tea >(100 mL) contains 50 to 100 mg of polyphenols (Luo et al); and less than >50 >mg caffeine-about one-third that of a cup of coffee. Studies have shown >that >most of the antimutagenic components of green tea are released within 1 >to 2 >minutes of brewing and that under identical brewing conditions, green >tea >was significantly more effective than black tea (Hernaez et al). Most >studies suggest that a person needs to drink 3 to 10 cups a day to >receive >therapeutic benefits. (Green tea extracts are also available; for >general >protective effects a typical dosage is 300 to 400 mcg of green tea >extract >standardized to 80 percent total polyphenol content.) While green tea is >considered safe, caffeine-related problems may occur, and because it >contains vitamin K, high consumption (½ to 1 gallon) may be antagonistic >to >warfarin ( and Wilt). > >Comments >As a clinical herbalist, I have observed that moderate consumption of >green >tea (1 to 5 cups freshly brewed tea daily) can have a positive impact in >terms of many of the effects noted above. In particular, I have been >impressed by green tea's hypolipidemic and hypoglycemic action, and its >antioxidant and antibacterial effects. I have also observed its >effectiveness in the following: reducing excess fluid in the upper >respiratory system, stimulating digestion, aiding in moderate weight >loss, >and elevating mood. > >Tom Wolfe is one of 97 professional members of the American Herbalists >Guild. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2000 Report Share Posted June 19, 2000 Hi Sherry...(and everyone) I'm new to this list and am happy to be here. According to what I read in ER4YT green tea holds no special properties for Type O individuals. It is merely a neutral. It's beneficial for another type (I don't remember) but since it's " nothing special " for us O's, IMHO, I wouldn't trouble yourself with trying to like it. Seems pretty pointless, unless you're replacing the AVOID- coffee completely with it instead. Best wishes, Heidi sherry mccartney wrote: > Green tea also gives me a stomachache. I thing some of us have a lot more > acid in our stomache than others and that is why we have problems. There are > loads of other teas > peppermint, camomile, fennel, rosehip, mint, dandelion, etc > > >From: " MVM " <MVMobley@...> > >Reply-egroups > ><egroups> > >Subject: RE: Green Tea > >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:22:11 -0500 > > > >I have been bad about staying on ER4YT lately, and have been drinking > >coffee regularly. After I read the article on green tea, I made some > >and drank it. I like the taste of some of the varieties, but it still > >gives me a stomachache! However, with all the benefits listed in the > >article, I want to learn to drink it! > > > >Is green tea more acidic than coffee? Coffee does not give me a > >stomachache. > > > >, Mississippi Gulf Coast, USA > > > >======================================================================== > >========= > > Re: Green Tea > > > > > >, > >Thanks for the info. I find I cannot drink green tea. It is too acidic > >for > >me.Sherry > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Air purifiers, bedding, household cleaning & more! gazoontite.com! > 1/5492/8/_/473523/_/961469416/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the mailing list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2000 Report Share Posted June 20, 2000 Hi, I've been watching the boards and felt I should respond to this particular topic. I like Green tea, it's neutral and the acid content is less than black tea, re-read that section, Black tea contains Tannic acid from being dried in an oven like process while green tea isn't.If you're getting a stomachache it's most likely due to the lessening of acid and you body is trying to make up the difference on it's own.Coffee also contains tannic acid as do most colas( also contain corn syrup),I really like the seltzer with peach flavor in it instead, while every now and then I do have a porkchop,I tend to stick to the diet very well. I've really noticed the benfits of this diet,I have Hypothyroidism and at one point weighed 50lbs,( and my own doctor/nutritionist were screaming PORTION SIZE!! )I now after a year weigh 199 and have been losing about a pound /week( really need to give up rice as a snack)but I feel much better than I did. The supplements are much less expensive if you order them through VNF Nutrition www.vnfnutrition.com . Try Salada's Earl Green it's really good, just become a lable reader, there may be another herb in the tea that's on the avoid list( Celestial Seasonings is known for this). Hope this helps Re: Green Tea > > > > > > > > >, > > >Thanks for the info. I find I cannot drink green tea. It is too acidic > > >for > > >me.Sherry > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Air purifiers, bedding, household cleaning & more! gazoontite.com! > > 1/5492/8/_/473523/_/961469416/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the mailing list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2000 Report Share Posted June 20, 2000 Green tea also gives me a stomachache. I thing some of us have a lot more acid in our stomache than others and that is why we have problems. There are loads of other teas peppermint, camomile, fennel, rosehip, mint, dandelion, etc >From: " MVM " <MVMobley@...> >Reply-egroups ><egroups> >Subject: RE: Green Tea >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:22:11 -0500 > >I have been bad about staying on ER4YT lately, and have been drinking >coffee regularly. After I read the article on green tea, I made some >and drank it. I like the taste of some of the varieties, but it still >gives me a stomachache! However, with all the benefits listed in the >article, I want to learn to drink it! > >Is green tea more acidic than coffee? Coffee does not give me a >stomachache. > >, Mississippi Gulf Coast, USA > >======================================================================== >========= > Re: Green Tea > > >, >Thanks for the info. I find I cannot drink green tea. It is too acidic >for >me.Sherry > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2000 Report Share Posted October 16, 2000 <<The O blend tea by the good doc himself (and the Republic of teas.... GREAT herbal tea company) has green tea in it.>> Without comment as to whether green tea is neutral or avoid, there is no green tea in the Sip Right For Your Type tea for O's. I have the canister right in front of me and there is no green tea listed in the ingredients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 here is a link that explains the benefits of green tea, http://www.daisan.co.jp/table1.htm bill > Why is green tea so good for you? Also did any of you ever get sick during > the 12 weeks? If so how did it affect you. > ______________________________________________________________________ ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2001 Report Share Posted June 11, 2001 Green tea is beneficial to us according to LR4YT, but due to its coffein content it is better not to overuse it. Other herbal teas provide nice drink alternatives, but of course they will not contain caffeine. Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2001 Report Share Posted June 11, 2001 Green tea is incredibly mild compared with coffee. I doubt that you'll feel mood swings. On one cup of coffee a day I used to be wired. More than that, an insomniac. With two to three cups of green tea a day, I'm mellow but alert and sleep soundly. > > > >I have been one to avoid caffeine but after hearing the many benefits > >of green tea, I am tempted to try it. Is there anyone who generally > >avoids caffeine but has found that green tea is okay (i.e. doesn't > >lead to the panic and mood swings that can come with diet soda and > >coffee consumption). I have heard of decaf brands but I know that. > >with decaffeination, alot of the benefits are lost or reduced. > > >Chris > > Hi > I used to be an avid coffee drinker. I now drink 2-3 cups of green tea a > day. I did not have any problems that usually happen. I think there is > just enought caffine to keep your body from going through withdrawls. > > I especially feel better now that I do not drink diet soda any more. My > sweets/carb cravings have definitely diminshed. I attribute this more to no > longer having arificial sweetners than the caffeine. > > I say go for it. The more I read about green tea, the more benefits I find. > It definitely falls under the category of " wonder drink " > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2001 Report Share Posted July 11, 2001 <<Is there anyone who generally avoids caffeine but has found that green tea is okay>> I am someone who, even before ER4YT, had major problems with coffee. I would become so acidic, even from decaf coffee, that I would end up on the floor in fetal position whimpering with pain. I have no such symptoms with green tea. Yes, if I drink too much I may get a little " buzz " , but no physical discomfort whatsoever. The most important thing to remember about brewing green tea is never let the tea steep for more than 30 seconds to a minute or the tea becomes bitter. Enjoy! Dianne in L.A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 Take a look at this site for the effect of green tea. I use only leaves: http://www.sph.uth.tmc.edu/utcam/therapies/greentea.htm#summary Gr. Kees braam webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl/index_e.html > I keep hearing great things about green tea and cancer. Does it have to be herbal or any particular kind, or will Lipton Green Tea do just fine? > > Thanks! Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 From: larry@... Date sent: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:57:39 -0600 Send reply to: cures for cancer Subject: Green Tea > I keep hearing great things about green tea and cancer. Does it have to be > herbal or any particular kind, or will Lipton Green Tea do just fine? > Thanks! Larry Hi Larry, one of the problems with cancer is the lack of time to find out information. Fortunately some people on the list, such as me, have spent many years studying this topic. Green tea has been shown to help prevent cancer, but little evidence exists to show it stops cancer. If I was you I would try to follow Protocol 1, a list of synergistic ingredients, with well established evidence, to support their use. moonbeam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 ----- Original Message ----- From: " cherry sundae " <cherrybabync@...> >walking fit from prevention magazine it says..In a study from switzerland, 6 out of 10 people who took a green tea supplement( the equivalent of 1 cup of green tea) three times a day with their meals burned 80 more calories during the next 24 hours then those who took a caffeine pill or a placebo. How can they determine the number of calories that someone burns in a 24 hour period? It just doesn't seem measurable to me. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 I just recently added the green tea to my diet. I also included Rooibos. (A South African Tea that's supposed to be extremely high in anti-oxidants.) I just started so I can't say if it has any influence on the Still's but I can say I really enough the taste of the Rooibos over the Green, but both are okay. If you are interested in learning what they say Rooibos does follow the link I provided below. LJ in NJ Hope everyone is pain free! http://www.red-tea-rooibos.com/history.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Hey There Stilligans, I am hearing and reading a lot about benefits of green tea but I am like I need some hard evidence. Please those of you who are using tea or tea products, maybe you wouldn't mind keeping a short weekly diary on whether or not the tea helps. I have recently changed several medications so I will wait for 6 weeks or more before I try green tea stuff, to avoid confusion over what is actually helping. I am very interested in what all your results are if you would be willing to share/compare. Thanks, hope everyone is feeling better today! Louise. , Lara wrote: > I just recently added the green tea to my diet. I also included > Rooibos. (A South African Tea that's supposed to be extremely high in > anti-oxidants.) I just started so I can't say if it has any influence > on the Still's but I can say I really enough the taste of the Rooibos > over the Green, but both are okay. If you are interested in learning > what they say Rooibos does follow the link I provided below. > > LJ in NJ Hope everyone is pain free! > > http://www.red-tea-rooibos.com/history.php > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Hey There Stilligans, I am hearing and reading a lot about benefits of green tea but I am like I need some hard evidence. Please those of you who are using tea or tea products, maybe you wouldn't mind keeping a short weekly diary on whether or not the tea helps. I have recently changed several medications so I will wait for 6 weeks or more before I try green tea stuff, to avoid confusion over what is actually helping. I am very interested in what all your results are if you would be willing to share/compare. Thanks, hope everyone is feeling better today! Louise. , Lara wrote: > I just recently added the green tea to my diet. I also included > Rooibos. (A South African Tea that's supposed to be extremely high in > anti-oxidants.) I just started so I can't say if it has any influence > on the Still's but I can say I really enough the taste of the Rooibos > over the Green, but both are okay. If you are interested in learning > what they say Rooibos does follow the link I provided below. > > LJ in NJ Hope everyone is pain free! > > http://www.red-tea-rooibos.com/history.php > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 I had green tea today at work and I don't feel any different Patti~Canada Love you all...PattiCheck out my website at http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/peppermintp and sign the guestbook. Hope to hear from you soon. "You must be the change you wish to see in the world."Mahatma Gandhi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 No tea!! Not green, white, red or black or any other color. No tea! It's the tannic acid that is the no no! green tea > Hello > > Does anybody know if we can have green tea. > JoAnn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 NO tea due to the tannic acid. green tea > Hello > > Does anybody know if we can have green tea. > JoAnn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 JoAnn The reason we cannot have teas after MGB is because of the tannic acid in them. Green tea also has this acidity as do herbal teas. I have found a tea with zero tannic acid and very little if any other acids plus it's 97% caffeine free. It is called Madura and they offer different " flavors " just like regular tea, ie: Earl Grey, Green Tea, and others. The website where you can order it is http://www.creativeenergy.co.nz/prodmdtmain.htm I have recently placed an order but have not received it yet or I would let you know how I like it. Judie in MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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