Green Tea

[Guest guest]

It seems to help, but it's borderline anecdotal. As Dr. Kay said, it really needs a Phase III trial.

However, I think there is little downside. If it works for you, fine. Even if it's nothing more than the placebo effect.

Just my opinion. I have been reading books on evidence based medicine, so.......

In a message dated 6/7/2010 11:42:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mbrill100@... writes:

Anyone know whether there any data with Green Tea and CLL besides anecdotal?>> :> > I am using Green Tea extract from NSI (Nutraceutical Sciences Institute). I buy it from Vitacost.com. The capsules are 500 mg and I take three a day. I learned about Vitacost and the capsules from someone here or at Acor. > , I want to thank you again for this website. I sometimes think that if this and the Acor site had not educated me as to this disease, I could now be dead. When the Doctor in 06 wanted to treat or the one in 08 wanted to treat, if not for the education here, I probably would have treated. But it was obvious that I didn't need treatment at those times when looking at the facts. Two more treatments and how many deleted T cells. > Thanks again, > Dave

[Guest guest]

From: Dave <dvd_pulley@...> Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 1:05:57 AMSubject: Green Tea

I really appreciate all those who post and provide so much information. I just want to share my experiences because it might help someone else. I was DX in May 03.y Lynphs were 90K then. By Jan, 05 I was 318,000. That led to treatment. It was RF at that time and after the second treatment, my counts were normal. I finished the treatment in July, 05 with all counts normal. But in December of 05, my Lymphs had increased to 12K. A very short partial remission.Doctor Byrd recruited my Oncologist so my new one provided by Hospital told me that the second treatment had to come much earlier. As by the time I saw him, my counts had risen to 30,000. He said that although my counts had allowed me to get to 318K before the first treatment that 30,000 would be an indication for the next treatment. Thank God, I had access to , Dr. Furman and all the others here. I refused teatment and moved on from that idiot.. At

that time Dr. Hamblin was also posting and answered some of my questions. Some of these Doctors are dangerous. I am sure it is not bad intentions, they are just ignorant. As it stands now, I am not close to treatment. I began Green tea some time ago and my numbers have dropped. I just wanted to share and I appreciate you guys. Thanks so much.

[Guest guest]

It would be interesting to put forth test cases and have 10 oncologists suggest treatment modalities for them. The variability among the various opinions might be shockingly high. As such, very healthy skepticism is the order of the day. This is not to impugn anybody, just to show how imperfect is the knowledge extant and how tremendously important it is for each individual patient to be his own best advocate. Knowledge is power.From: Dave <dvd_pulley@...>Subject: Re: Green Tea Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:56 AM

From: Dave <dvd_pulley (DOT) com>groups (DOT) comSent: Sun, June 6, 2010 1:05:57 AMSubject: Green Tea

I really appreciate all those who post and provide so much information. I just want to share my experiences because it might help someone else. I was DX in May 03.y Lynphs were 90K then. By Jan, 05 I was 318,000. That led to treatment. It was RF at that time and after the second treatment, my counts were normal. I finished the treatment in July, 05 with all counts normal. But in December of 05, my Lymphs had increased to 12K. A very short partial remission.Doctor Byrd recruited my Oncologist so my new one provided by Hospital told me that the second treatment had to come much earlier. As by the time I saw him, my counts had risen to 30,000. He said that although my counts had allowed me to get to 318K before the first treatment that 30,000 would be an indication for the next treatment. Thank God, I had access to , Dr. Furman and all the others here. I refused teatment and moved on from that idiot.. At

that time Dr. Hamblin was also posting and answered some of my questions. Some of these Doctors are dangerous. I am sure it is not bad intentions, they are just ignorant. As it stands now, I am not close to treatment. I began Green tea some time ago and my numbers have dropped. I just wanted to share and I appreciate you guys. Thanks so much.

[Guest guest]

I think that WOULD be interesting. I've seen it in my own case...........in

5/08, an onc at Hopkins wanted me to start low-dose rituxan..........I

didn't do it............in 4/10, a different onc at Hopkins said I didn't

need tx. yet. Goes to prove that medical tx. is an art, not a science.

Still a crap shoot, any way you slice it.

Ellen

michael janket wrote:

It would be interesting to put forth

test cases and have 10 oncologists suggest treatment modalities for them.

The variability among the various opinions might be shockingly high. As

such, very healthy skepticism is the order of the day. This is not

to impugn anybody, just to show how imperfect is the knowledge extant and

how tremendously important it is for each individual patient to be his

own best advocate. Knowledge is power.

From: Dave <dvd_pulley@...>

Subject: Re: Green Tea

Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:56 AM

From:

Dave <dvd_pulley (DOT) com>

To:

groups (DOT) com

Sent:

Sun, June 6, 2010 1:05:57 AM

Subject:

Green Tea

I really appreciate all those who post and provide

so much information.

I just want to share my experiences because it might help someone else.

I was DX in May 03.y Lynphs were 90K then. By Jan, 05 I was 318,000.

That led to treatment. It was RF at that time and after the second treatment,

my counts were normal. I finished the treatment in July, 05 with all counts

normal. But in December of 05, my Lymphs had increased to 12K. A very short

partial remission.

Doctor Byrd recruited my Oncologist so my new one provided by

Hospital told me that the second treatment had to come much earlier. As

by the time I saw him, my counts had risen to 30,000. He said that although

my counts had allowed me to get to 318K before the first treatment

that 30,000 would be an indication for the next treatment.

Thank God, I had access to , Dr. Furman and all the others here.

I refused teatment and moved on from that idiot.. At that time Dr. Hamblin

was also posting and answered some of my questions.

Some of these Doctors are dangerous. I am sure it is not bad intentions,

they are just ignorant. As it stands now, I am not close to treatment.

I began Green tea some time ago and my numbers have dropped.

I just wanted to share and I appreciate you guys. Thanks so much.

[Guest guest]



Dave,

Would you mind telling me what brand of green tea you take and what dosage? I'm a believer in green tea and I take Teevigo.

Thank you best health

MARIO

Green Tea

I really appreciate all those who post and provide so much information. I just want to share my experiences because it might help someone else. I was DX in May 03.y Lynphs were 90K then. By Jan, 05 I was 318,000. That led to treatment. It was RF at that time and after the second treatment, my counts were normal. I finished the treatment in July, 05 with all counts normal. But in December of 05, my Lymphs had increased to 12K. A very short partial remission.Doctor Byrd recruited my Oncologist so my new one provided by Hospital told me that the second treatment had to come much earlier. As by the time I saw him, my counts had risen to 30,000. He said that although my counts had allowed me to get to 318K before the first treatment that 30,000 would be an indication for the next treatment. Thank God, I had access to , Dr. Furman and all the others here. I refused teatment and moved on from that idiot.. At that time Dr. Hamblin was also posting and answered some of my questions. Some of these Doctors are dangerous. I am sure it is not bad intentions, they are just ignorant. As it stands now, I am not close to treatment. I began Green tea some time ago and my numbers have dropped. I just wanted to share and I appreciate you guys. Thanks so much.

[Guest guest]

I could disagree by saying it is not an art, either. Art is no more than a person's interpretation. Or, probably no doc has a monopoly on treatment modality. Every practitioner has to analyze the data, do we want docs playing hunches? If hunches are correct, then perhaps the subtending science is flawed. I'd say that some sort of statistical curve is followed and docs will be wrong at times, right at times. I believe no doc maximizes treatment successes. If they did, we'd see more success and less bum results. When one's immune system is hammered by treatment, can we call this success or merely the "best" result under the cirumstances. Or neither? There's more pressure on the patient than the doc.

From: Dave <dvd_pulley@...>

Subject: Re: Green Tea

Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:56 AM

From:

Dave <dvd_pulley (DOT) com>

To:

groups (DOT) com

Sent:

Sun, June 6, 2010 1:05:57 AM

Subject:

Green Tea

I really appreciate all those who post and provide

so much information.

I just want to share my experiences because it might help someone else.

I was DX in May 03.y Lynphs were 90K then. By Jan, 05 I was 318,000.

That led to treatment. It was RF at that time and after the second treatment,

my counts were normal. I finished the treatment in July, 05 with all counts

normal. But in December of 05, my Lymphs had increased to 12K. A very short

partial remission.

Doctor Byrd recruited my Oncologist so my new one provided by

Hospital told me that the second treatment had to come much earlier. As

by the time I saw him, my counts had risen to 30,000. He said that although

my counts had allowed me to get to 318K before the first treatment

that 30,000 would be an indication for the next treatment.

Thank God, I had access to , Dr. Furman and all the others here.

I refused teatment and moved on from that idiot.. At that time Dr. Hamblin

was also posting and answered some of my questions.

Some of these Doctors are dangerous. I am sure it is not bad intentions,

they are just ignorant. As it stands now, I am not close to treatment.

I began Green tea some time ago and my numbers have dropped.

I just wanted to share and I appreciate you guys. Thanks so much.

[Guest guest]

From: "baker007@..." <baker007@...> Sent: Sun, July 11, 2010 8:27:25 AMSubject: Re: Green Tea:I get Green Tea from Vitacost.com. They are shown to be made by Nutraceutical Sciences Institute. (NSI) However the fine

print shows that they are made for that Company. Probably in China or India. They are shown to be 500 MG composed of 80% polyphenols, 80% catachins, and 50% EGCG. I take three capsules a day right after breakfast. The cost is about $25 for a bottle of 300. That is a cost to me of about $8 a month. I have no idea if they have helped to stabilize my counts. But I do know that my counts went from 90,000 to 318 thousand in about 18 months after my DX. Since I began the green tea, my counts seem to have stabilized. I finished RF in July 05 and my lymphs are now this month at 128 thousand. The green tea (I think) along with the RF has given me over five years of no symptons. My lymphs have been as high as 193 thousand since treatment, but now seem to be moving in the right direction. I had my regular appointment with my Hem/Onc in June and he has scheduled me to come back in 6 months although I do stop in Quest every three months to get a CBC and they fax

him the results. , I have no idea if the green tea is making a difference. It seems that we are all so different as to how we react to things. I eat broccoli every day, could it be that? Or as my favorite person that posts, said, the Chinese probably put heavy metals into the green tea making process. So maybe someday we will find that heavy metals reduce lymphs. I thought sure that I would need treatment in 2010, but it is unlikely now with that last CBC. My lymphs percentage has also dropped from a high of 93% to 75% now. Again, I have no idea what is going on in my body and why what I do would not work for everyone. Some get RF and suffer from multiple infections. I haven't had the flu since getting the RF and only a couple of minor colds. I only remember the CLL when I open my emails or planning a Docs appointment.I have the 17P deletion and according to statistics should have been dead a few years back. But thanks to the

internet, Dr. Hamblin, Dr. Furman, , and so many others, I am still around. My Hem/Onc simply says to do whatever I am doing as it seems to be working. Dave



Dave,

Would you mind telling me what brand of green tea you take and what dosage? I'm a believer in green tea and I take Teevigo.

Thank you best health

MARIO

[Guest guest]

There is also strong info that green tea contains too high a count of fluoride.

Ellen

Dave wrote:

From:

"baker007@..." <baker007@...>

To:

Sent:

Sun, July 11, 2010 8:27:25 AM

Subject:

Re: Green Tea

:

I get Green Tea from Vitacost.com. They are shown to be made by Nutraceutical

Sciences Institute. (NSI) However the fine print shows that they are made

for that Company. Probably in China or India. They are shown to be 500

MG composed of 80% polyphenols, 80% catachins, and 50% EGCG. I take three

capsules a day right after breakfast. The cost is about $25 for a bottle

of 300. That is a cost to me of about $8 a month.

I have no idea if they have helped to stabilize my counts. But I do

know that my counts went from 90,000 to 318 thousand in about 18 months

after my DX. Since I began the green tea, my counts seem to have stabilized.

I finished RF in July 05 and my lymphs are now this month at 128 thousand.

The green tea (I think) along with the RF has given me over five years

of no symptons. My lymphs have been as high as 193 thousand since treatment,

but now seem to be moving in the right direction. I had my regular appointment

with my Hem/Onc in June and he has scheduled me to come back in 6 months

although I do stop in Quest every three months to get a CBC and they fax

him the results.

, I have no idea if the green tea is making a difference. It seems

that we are all so different as to how we react to things. I eat broccoli

every day, could it be that? Or as my favorite person that posts, Chris

said, the Chinese probably put heavy metals into the green tea making process.

So maybe someday we will find that heavy metals reduce lymphs.

I thought sure that I would need treatment in 2010, but it is unlikely

now with that last CBC. My lymphs percentage has also dropped from a high

of 93% to 75% now. Again, I have no idea what is going on in my body and

why what I do would not work for everyone. Some get RF and suffer from

multiple infections. I haven't had the flu since getting the RF and only

a couple of minor colds. I only remember the CLL when I open my emails

or planning a Docs appointment.

I have the 17P deletion and according to statistics should have been

dead a few years back. But thanks to the internet, Dr. Hamblin, Dr. Furman,

, and so many others, I am still around. My Hem/Onc simply says

to do whatever I am doing as it seems to be working.

Dave

Dave, Would

you mind telling me what brand of green tea you take and what dosage? I'm

a believer in green tea and I take Teevigo.Thank

you best health MARIO

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy, here's one link: http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html

the thing with the flouride is that it competes (replaces) one of the iodine atoms in the the T3 and T4 for proper thyroid functioning, along with bromide, which of course, is a whole other story.

best to drink water only.

Konstantine

From: wally.kathy33 <wchopee@...>iodine Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 5:36:20 AMSubject: green tea

I just read 's post that green tea has a lot of flouride and is not advised for those with low thyroid. Oh my this is a shock to me! I drink 2 or 3 cups of the stuff a day! In fact I was sipping it as I read the post thinking it was better than a cup of java! I don't recall reading this fact elsewhere (not that I'm disputing it) - is there a good place to find a list of things not to eat or drink if you're dealing with thyroid issues? I have been drinking it a lot for a year thinking I was doing something good- maybe that's why things have been going rapidly downhill?Seems you can't win for losing!!Kathy

y

[Guest guest]

BTW - Rooibos tea has fluoride in it as well.

Ziggy

>

> Hi Kathy, here's one link:

http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html

>

> the thing with the flouride is that it competes (replaces) one of the iodine

> atoms in the the T3 and T4 for proper thyroid functioning, along with

bromide,

> which of course, is a whole other story.

>

> best to drink water only.

>  

> Konstantine

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: wally.kathy33 <wchopee@...>

> iodine

> Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 5:36:20 AM

> Subject: green tea

>

>  

> I just read 's post that green tea has a lot of flouride and is not

advised

> for those with low thyroid. Oh my this is a shock to me! I drink 2 or 3 cups

of

> the stuff a day! In fact I was sipping it as I read the post thinking it was

> better than a cup of java! I don't recall reading this fact elsewhere (not

that

> I'm disputing it) - is there a good place to find a list of things not to eat

or

> drink if you're dealing with thyroid issues? I have been drinking it a lot for

a

> year thinking I was doing something good- maybe that's why things have been

> going rapidly downhill?

> Seems you can't win for losing!!

> Kathy

>

>

>

> y

>

[Guest guest]

Here is a good article on green tea, fluoride and iodinehttp://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl7.htmSueFrom: Ziggy <sweflen@...>Subject: Re: green teaiodine Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 5:52 PM

BTW - Rooibos tea has fluoride in it as well.

Ziggy

>

> Hi Kathy, here's one link: http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html

>

> the thing with the flouride is that it competes (replaces) one of the iodine

> atoms in the the T3 and T4 for proper thyroid functioning, along with bromide,

> which of course, is a whole other story.

>

> best to drink water only.

> Â

> Konstantine

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: wally.kathy33 <wchopee@...>

> iodine

> Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 5:36:20 AM

> Subject: green tea

>

> Â

> I just read 's post that green tea has a lot of flouride and is not advised

> for those with low thyroid. Oh my this is a shock to me! I drink 2 or 3 cups of

> the stuff a day! In fact I was sipping it as I read the post thinking it was

> better than a cup of java! I don't recall reading this fact elsewhere (not that

> I'm disputing it) - is there a good place to find a list of things not to eat or

> drink if you're dealing with thyroid issues? I have been drinking it a lot for a

> year thinking I was doing something good- maybe that's why things have been

> going rapidly downhill?

> Seems you can't win for losing!!

> Kathy

>

>

>

> y

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sue and for the excellent links about flouride in green tea not

being good for the thyroid. I don't know what I'll do when it's 30 below

outside and I'm wanting something nice and warm to drink. Grrr.

When I checked out the link you sent Sue I read several articles by Dr

Derry- one was about low production of breastmilk due to hyopthyroidism. Well

now that mystery is cleared up for me!!! I used to drink til I floated - and

then piddle it all out- it just seemed to bypass my breasts- now I know why!

That was 30 years ago so I guess this thyroid has been giving me grief for many

years!

Kathy

>

> >

>

> > Hi Kathy, here's one link:

http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html

>

> >

>

> > the thing with the flouride is that it competes (replaces) one of the

iodine

>

> > atoms in the the T3 and T4 for proper thyroid functioning, along with

bromide,

>

> > which of course, is a whole other story.

>

> >

>

> > best to drink water only.

>

> >  

>

> > Konstantine

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ________________________________

>

> > From: wally.kathy33 <wchopee@>

>

> > iodine

>

> > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 5:36:20 AM

>

> > Subject: green tea

>

> >

>

> >  

>

> > I just read 's post that green tea has a lot of flouride and is not

advised

>

> > for those with low thyroid. Oh my this is a shock to me! I drink 2 or 3 cups

of

>

> > the stuff a day! In fact I was sipping it as I read the post thinking it was

>

> > better than a cup of java! I don't recall reading this fact elsewhere (not

that

>

> > I'm disputing it) - is there a good place to find a list of things not to

eat or

>

> > drink if you're dealing with thyroid issues? I have been drinking it a lot

for a

>

> > year thinking I was doing something good- maybe that's why things have been

>

> > going rapidly downhill?

>

> > Seems you can't win for losing!!

>

> > Kathy

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > y

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I had the same dilemna! I used to drink green tea and rooibos with soy non-stop!

(it's no wonder I have thyroid issues!)

Now I drink hot water with a heaping teaspoon of coconut oil and a lemon wedge.

Yum!

Ziggy

>

> Thanks Sue and for the excellent links about flouride in green tea not

being good for the thyroid. I don't know what I'll do when it's 30 below

outside and I'm wanting something nice and warm to drink. Grrr.

> When I checked out the link you sent Sue I read several articles by Dr

Derry- one was about low production of breastmilk due to hyopthyroidism. Well

now that mystery is cleared up for me!!! I used to drink til I floated - and

then piddle it all out- it just seemed to bypass my breasts- now I know why!

That was 30 years ago so I guess this thyroid has been giving me grief for many

years!

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

Does white tea have fluoride as well? It's benefits are supposedly equal to or superior to green tea.

BarbF

In a message dated 10/5/2010 11:49:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wchopee@... writes:

Thanks Sue and for the excellent links about flouride in green tea not being good for the thyroid. I don't know what I'll do when it's 30 below outside and I'm wanting something nice and warm to drink. Grrr. When I checked out the link you sent Sue I read several articles by Dr Derry- one was about low production of breastmilk due to hyopthyroidism. Well now that mystery is cleared up for me!!! I used to drink til I floated - and then piddle it all out- it just seemed to bypass my breasts- now I know why! That was 30 years ago so I guess this thyroid has been giving me grief for many years!Kathy> > >> > > Hi Kathy, here's one link: http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html> > > > > > the thing with the flouride is that it competes (replaces) one of the iodine > > > atoms in the the T3 and T4 for proper thyroid functioning, along with bromide, > > > which of course, is a whole other story.> > > > > > best to drink water only.> > >  > > > Konstantine> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > From: wally.kathy33 <wchopee@>> > > iodine > > > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 5:36:20 AM> > > Subject: green tea> > > > > >  > > > I just read 's post that green tea has a lot of flouride and is not advised > > > for those with low thyroid. Oh my this is a shock to me! I drink 2 or 3 cups of > > > the stuff a day! In fact I was sipping it as I read the post thinking it was > > > better than a cup of java! I don't recall reading this fact elsewhere (not that > > > I'm disputing it) - is there a good place to find a list of things not to eat or > > > drink if you're dealing with thyroid issues? I have been drinking it a lot for a > > > year thinking I was doing something good- maybe that's why things have been > > > going rapidly downhill?> > > Seems you can't win for losing!!> > > Kathy> > > > > > > > > > > > y> > >>

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

My story is the exact example of the breastmilk problem. With my

first 3 children, I now know I was struggling with my thyroid, but only knew to

complain about being tired. The other symptoms I figured were just part of

getting older. I struggled with my milk supply – had to eat lots, drink

lots, sleep lots – 14 hours a day!- in order to have enough milk. Any

tiny slip and I was running dry. My doctor, who is VERY natural and works hard

to help all patients breastfeed, didn’t recognize the low milk as thyroid

related, and figured of course I was tired, I had small children and was

pregnant. J During my 4th pregnancy I read an article in Good

Housekeeping of all places, listing symptoms of hypo and hyper thyroid

problems. Said if you check off 4 or more, see your doctor. I checked off 8 and

ran to my doctor demanding a test. When I read off my list of symptoms, he did

the test but also immediately started me on Armour, saying he would use the

test to see how high we needed to go. By the end of two weeks on Armour I felt

like a new woman! And after my daughter was born, low and behold, I didn’t

struggle with my milk supply anymore! How simple of a solution. Now it was

years later that I discovered iodine and that makes me feel way better than

just Armour alone. I still need the Armour (actually I take the Nature-throid

brand now), but I feel better than I ever did, and don’t mind still

taking it.

Donna in IL

Thanks Sue and for the excellent links

about flouride in green tea not being good for the thyroid. I don't know what

I'll do when it's 30 below outside and I'm wanting something nice and warm to

drink. Grrr.

When I checked out the link you sent Sue I read several articles by Dr

Derry- one was about low production of breastmilk due to hyopthyroidism. Well

now that mystery is cleared up for me!!! I used to drink til I floated - and

then piddle it all out- it just seemed to bypass my breasts- now I know why!

That was 30 years ago so I guess this thyroid has been giving me grief for many

years!

Kathy

>

> >

>

> > Hi Kathy, here's one link: http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html

>

> >

>

> > the thing with the flouride is that it competes

(replaces) one of the iodine

>

> > atoms in the the T3 and T4 for proper thyroid functioning,

along with bromide,

>

> > which of course, is a whole other story.

>

> >

>

> > best to drink water only.

>

> > ÂÂ

>

> > Konstantine

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ________________________________

>

> > From: wally.kathy33 <wchopee@>

>

> > iodine

>

> > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 5:36:20 AM

>

> > Subject: green tea

>

> >

>

> > ÂÂ

>

> > I just read 's post that green tea has a lot of flouride and is

not advised

>

> > for those with low thyroid. Oh my this is a shock to me! I drink 2 or

3 cups of

>

> > the stuff a day! In fact I was sipping it as I read the post thinking

it was

>

> > better than a cup of java! I don't recall reading this fact elsewhere

(not that

>

> > I'm disputing it) - is there a good place to find a list of things

not to eat or

>

> > drink if you're dealing with thyroid issues? I have been drinking it

a lot for a

>

> > year thinking I was doing something good- maybe that's why things

have been

>

> > going rapidly downhill?

>

> > Seems you can't win for losing!!

>

> > Kathy

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > y

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, but

Anti-cancer and antioxidant value of teas may be countered by high fluoride levels. White tea is safer. Consuming a variety of beneficial foods and beverages is best. http://www.suite101.com/content/high-fluoride-levels-in-tea-a30219#ixzz11aNB8WYzSue--- On Wed, 10/6/10, Bbircie@... <Bbircie@...> wrote:From: Bbircie@... <Bbircie@...>Subject: Re: Re: green teaiodine Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 8:22 AM

Does white tea have fluoride as well? It's benefits are supposedly equal to or superior to green tea.

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In a message dated 10/5/2010 11:49:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wchopee@... writes:

Thanks Sue and for the excellent links about flouride in green tea not being good for the thyroid. I don't know what I'll do when it's 30 below outside and I'm wanting something nice and warm to drink. Grrr. When I checked out the link you sent Sue I read several articles by Dr Derry- one was about low production of breastmilk due to hyopthyroidism. Well now that mystery is cleared up for me!!! I used to drink til I floated - and then piddle it all out- it just seemed to bypass my breasts- now I know why! That was 30 years ago so I guess this thyroid has been giving me grief for many years!Kathy> > >> > > Hi Kathy, here's one link: http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html> > > > > > the thing with the flouride is that it competes (replaces) one of the iodine > > > atoms in the the T3 and T4 for proper thyroid functioning, along with bromide, > > > which of course, is a whole other story.> > > > > > best to drink water only.> > >  > > > Konstantine> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > From: wally.kathy33 <wchopee@>> > > iodine > > > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 5:36:20 AM> > > Subject: green tea> > > > > >  > > > I just read 's post that green tea has a lot of flouride and is not advised > > > for those with low thyroid. Oh my this is a shock to me! I drink 2 or 3 cups of > > > the stuff a day! In fact I was sipping it as I read the post thinking it was > > > better than a cup of java! I don't recall reading this fact elsewhere (not that > > > I'm disputing it) - is there a good place to find a list of things not to eat or > > > drink if you're dealing with thyroid issues? I have been drinking it a lot for a > > > year thinking I was doing something good- maybe that's why things have been > > > going rapidly downhill?> > > Seems you can't win for losing!!> > > Kathy> > > > > > > > > > > > y> > >>

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Hi Donna

Isn't is sad that such a simple solution is for the most part kept from us. I

dearly wanted to breastfeed my kids and was heartbroken that I couldn't. So

glad you found the answer sooner that I did!

Kathy

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> > > iodine <mailto:iodine%40>

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> > > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 5:36:20 AM

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> > > Subject: green tea

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advised

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> > > for those with low thyroid. Oh my this is a shock to me! I drink 2 or 3

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was

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that

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> > > I'm disputing it) - is there a good place to find a list of things not to

eat or

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> > > drink if you're dealing with thyroid issues? I have been drinking it a lot

for a

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> > > year thinking I was doing something good- maybe that's why things have

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It's very sad. --V

At 11:00 AM 10/6/2010, you wrote:

>Hi Donna

>Isn't is sad that such a simple solution is for the most part kept from

>us. I dearly wanted to breastfeed my kids and was heartbroken that I

>couldn't. So glad you found the answer sooner that I did!

>Kathy

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

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Giving up tea is one of the hardest things I've ever done!   I used to drink 8 to 10 cups of organic, naturally low caffeine tea, but it was obviously still high in caffeine because I'd get caffeine detox if I went too long without a cup.   (Now realise part of that is my chemical sensitivities due to Hashis).   Getting down to 5 cups felt like an achievement.   Then I'd get down to 2 cups and then go back up.   I finally got to 1 cup and sat at that for weeks before cutting it out.   I don't really miss it now, which surprises me.   I drink dandelion coffee and liquorice tea now.   I once would have said there was no comparision, but I have got to really like them so I hope they're fine.   I put the cream off the top of the milk into the dandelion coffee.  

 

Thanks Sue and for the excellent links about flouride in green tea not being good for the thyroid. I don't know what I'll do when it's 30 below outside and I'm wanting something nice and warm to drink. Grrr. 

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Not sure where the proof is that there is flouride in green tea. I met tea

expert yesterday. He imports tea from all over the world and knows everything

there is to know about tea. I asked him if there was flouride in green tea. He

said it would be impossible unless it is steeped in flouridated water. There is

nothing in the processing of tea leaves that would involve flouride. So drink

up!

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> > > Hi Kathy, here's one link:

> _http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html_

(http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html)

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> > > the thing with the flouride is that it competes (replaces) one of

> the iodine

> >

> > > atoms in the the T3 and T4 for proper thyroid functioning, along

> with bromide,

> >

> > > which of course, is a whole other story.

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> > > best to drink water only.

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> > > Konstantine

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> > > ________________________________

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> > > From: wally.kathy33 <wchopee@>

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> > > _iodine _ (mailto:iodine )

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> > > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 5:36:20 AM

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> > > Subject: green tea

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> > > ÂÂ

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> > > I just read 's post that green tea has a lot of flouride and is

> not advised

> >

> > > for those with low thyroid. Oh my this is a shock to me! I drink 2 or

> 3 cups of

> >

> > > the stuff a day! In fact I was sipping it as I read the post thinking

> it was

> >

> > > better than a cup of java! I don't recall reading this fact elsewhere

> (not that

> >

> > > I'm disputing it) - is there a good place to find a list of things not

> to eat or

> >

> > > drink if you're dealing with thyroid issues? I have been drinking it a

> lot for a

> >

> > > year thinking I was doing something good- maybe that's why things have

> been

> >

> > > going rapidly downhill?

> >

> > > Seems you can't win for losing!!

> >

> > > Kathy

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Actually,if you google, you will find much information on how tea plants absorb fluoride thru their roots from the soil/water in the regions where tea is grown. I love tea, black,green, white; but sadly they are all high in fluoride because of this factor. Kathleen

green tea> > > > > > > > > > Ãfâ?sÃ, > > > > > I just read 's post that green tea has a lot of flouride and is > not advised > > > > > for those with low thyroid. Oh my this is a shock to me! I drink 2 or > 3 cups of > > > > > the stuff a day! In fact I was sipping it as I read the post thinking > it was > > > > > better than a cup of java! I don't recall reading this fact elsewhere > (not that > > > > > I'm disputing it) - is there a good place to find a list of things not > to eat or > > > > > drink if you're dealing with thyroid issues? I have been drinking it a > lot for a > > > > > year thinking I was doing something good- maybe that's why things have > been > > > > > going rapidly downhill?> > > > > Seems you can't win for losing!!> > > > > Kathy> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > y> > > > >> >>

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It's not the processing, tea takes up fluoride from the soil and water. Please take the time to actually find references instead of blinding telling others to drink up.TEA

For USDA data on fluoride levels in US tea, click here (pdf file). "Appropriate regulation of the fluoride content of tea commodities should be an urgent matter for public food safety policy." - Cao J, et al. (2004). Fluoride in newer tea commodities. Fluoride 37: 286-300."Instant tea, one of the most popular drinks in the United States, may be a source of harmful levels of fluoride... The researchers found that some regular strength preparations contain as much as 6.5 parts per million (ppm) of fluoride, well over the 4 ppm maximum allowed in drinking water by the Environmental Protection Agency." - 'Potentially harmful fluoride levels found in some instant tea'', Washington University School of Medicine, January 25, 2005."Another important source of fluoride ingestion is tea...[T]he fluoride content of tea has been found to range from 0.1 to 4.2 ppm fluoride, with an average of about 3 ppm." - Levy SM, Guha-Chowdhury N. (1999). Total fluoride intake and implications for dietary fluoride supplementation. Journal of Public Health Dentistry 59: 211-23."[M]ost of the iced teas studied contained considerable fluoride concentrations. If infants ingest larger amounts of them because of their sweet taste, there is a risk of uncontrolled overdosing as a result of additional fluoride intake from other sources at the same time. " - Behrendt A, Oberste V, Wetzel WE. (2002). Fluoride concentration and pH of iced tea products. Caries Research 36(6): 405-410. "The average fluoride concentration of infusions prepared from decaffeinated (green & black) tea in this study is 3.19 ppm and ranged from 1.01 to 5.20. This is unexpectedly higher than caffeinated tea and such a difference is statistically significant. If decaffeinated tea were prepared with optimally fluoridated water, the fluoride content would be increased by 1 ppm and would reach an average of 4.19 ppm." - Chan JT, Koh SH. (1996). Fluoride content in caffeinated, decaffeinated and herbal teas. Caries Research 30:88-92. Linn On Oct 10, 2010, at 8:02 PM, jlegm wrote:

Not sure where the proof is that there is flouride in green tea. I met tea expert yesterday. He imports tea from all over the world and knows everything there is to know about tea. I asked him if there was flouride in green tea. He said it would be impossible unless it is steeped in flouridated water. There is nothing in the processing of tea leaves that would involve flouride. So drink up!

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> > > Hi Kathy, here's one link:

> _http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html_ (http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html)

> >

> > >

> >

> > > the thing with the flouride is that it competes (replaces) one of

> the iodine

> >

> > > atoms in the the T3 and T4 for proper thyroid functioning, along

> with bromide,

> >

> > > which of course, is a whole other story.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > best to drink water only.

> >

> > > ÂÂ

> >

> > > Konstantine

> >

> > >

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> > >

> >

> > > ________________________________

> >

> > > From: wally.kathy33 <wchopee@>

> >

> > > _iodine _ (mailto:iodine )

> >

> > > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 5:36:20 AM

> >

> > > Subject: green tea

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ÂÂ

> >

> > > I just read 's post that green tea has a lot of flouride and is

> not advised

> >

> > > for those with low thyroid. Oh my this is a shock to me! I drink 2 or

> 3 cups of

> >

> > > the stuff a day! In fact I was sipping it as I read the post thinking

> it was

> >

> > > better than a cup of java! I don't recall reading this fact elsewhere

> (not that

> >

> > > I'm disputing it) - is there a good place to find a list of things not

> to eat or

> >

> > > drink if you're dealing with thyroid issues? I have been drinking it a

> lot for a

> >

> > > year thinking I was doing something good- maybe that's why things have

> been

> >

> > > going rapidly downhill?

> >

> > > Seems you can't win for losing!!

> >

> > > Kathy

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > y

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Linn Sew Sweet Designz by Linnhttp://www.sewsweetdesignzbylinn.com281-778-1006

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The claim is not that they add fluoride to tea in processing it. The claim is

that tea takes up a lot of fluorine from the soil, water and air. Here is a

write up at the Linus ing Institute that gives approximate fluoride content

of various teas:

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/phytochemicals/tea/#components

Of the four common pest control chemicals used for teas, Dimethoate, Quinalphos,

Dicofol, and Deltamethrin, only Deltamethrin contains a halogen, and that is

bromine, not fluorine.

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> > > > Hi Kathy, here's one link:

> > _http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html_

(http://poisonfluoride.com/pfpc/html/green_tea___.html)

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > the thing with the flouride is that it competes (replaces) one

of

> > the iodine

> > >

> > > > atoms in the the T3 and T4 for proper thyroid functioning, along

> > with bromide,

> > >

> > > > which of course, is a whole other story.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > best to drink water only.

> > >

> > > > ÂÂ

> > >

> > > > Konstantine

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > >

> > > > From: wally.kathy33 <wchopee@>

> > >

> > > > _iodine _ (mailto:iodine )

> > >

> > > > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 5:36:20 AM

> > >

> > > > Subject: green tea

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ÂÂ

> > >

> > > > I just read 's post that green tea has a lot of flouride and is

> > not advised

> > >

> > > > for those with low thyroid. Oh my this is a shock to me! I drink 2 or

> > 3 cups of

> > >

> > > > the stuff a day! In fact I was sipping it as I read the post thinking

> > it was

> > >

> > > > better than a cup of java! I don't recall reading this fact elsewhere

> > (not that

> > >

> > > > I'm disputing it) - is there a good place to find a list of things not

> > to eat or

> > >

> > > > drink if you're dealing with thyroid issues? I have been drinking it a

> > lot for a

> > >

> > > > year thinking I was doing something good- maybe that's why things have

> > been

> > >

> > > > going rapidly downhill?

> > >

> > > > Seems you can't win for losing!!

> > >

> > > > Kathy

> > >

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> > > > y

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I didn't even give up tea because of the flouride - I wasn't aware it was a problem - it's because I have adrenal issues and tea has caffeine in it.On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Kathleen Blake <kathleenblake@...> wrote:

 

Actually,if you google, you will find much information on how tea plants absorb fluoride thru their roots from the soil/water in the regions where tea is grown.  I love tea, black,green, white; but sadly they are all high in fluoride because of this factor.  Kathleen

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Hey I have a friend that will not drink tea from a tea bag either, she says it was they have scraped off of the floor. She will only drink expensive loose tea from an expensive pot. Does anyone know a good source to buy a reasonably price of that kind of tea pot and good quality loose tea. If that friend visits she brings her own tea and special cup. I have tasted her loose tea and I do agree that it tastes better.

Carolyn

In a message dated 3/3/2011 8:06:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kareningotham@... writes:

It's my understanding that quite a few people have a hard time digesting green tea (I'm not one of them). As to the contents of tea bags, they're usually the dregs of the tea industry--they consist mostly of what's called "fannings" and dusts, from low-end tea, and they usually don't taste very good. However, since there'll undoubtedly be other things in your beverage with flavors that predominate, you should give it a try. I'm SERIOUSLY into tea but I also brew my own kombucha and there's absolutely NO WAY I'd use expensive tea (not to mention loose) for that--I use a 2-to-1 ratio of Celestial Seasonings green-and-white tea bags and Lipton. There are some applications for which expensive ingredients are a waste of money and good product. Green Tea I saw that stash now has green tea that is finely grounded into powder that you simply stir into your beverage. I was curious as to if anyone has ever tried emptying the contents of a standard green tea bag into a vitamix smoothie. I would certainly think it would grind it up to a fine, undetectable powder and would guess it to be pretty healthy since you would consume the leaves and just not steep them. Wonder if it may cause stomach upset or anything though.Any thoughts?