Vanilla

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>

> , I called someone last night who is a member of this group, but

> lost in holiday preps, so I know she wasn't checking the messages lately.

> She has a lead on some vanilla CO2 from Ireland, and says it's gorgeous. I

> forget the price. I believe she has the GC on it, and she's pretty good

> with reading GCs. Isn't vanilla supposed to have a min 26% vanillin?

>

> I recently got samples from a french producer, and it's the most beautiful

> vanilla absolute I've ever smelled. $6500/kg, 100 gr minimum. There may be

> a coop on that in January.

>

> The co2, btw, doesn't turn perfumes or soaps, lotions, etc. brown. It will

> stay light or white.

>

> For the time being, from teh feedback here, you might want to be wary of

> ND, and ask lots of questions of them.

>

>

> >

>

> Anya

It was MJ who wanted to buy vanilla in bulk, but I am interested in hearing more

about the

vanilla CO2 too .

- do you know if it is a total or select? I got a rash from two samples of the

total (a few

years ago, before I really was good about diluting things enough, so it may have

just been

an issue of concentration and not because it was a total).

Thanks!

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> I did ask and they said that it was solvent extracted with a

> food grade solvent. Although not intended or recommended for

> ingestion. Not a mention that it was a tincture, and I

> specifically asked if it was an extract and she said no.

She says that it was solvent extracted but then says that it is not

an extract! OK, perhaps she could have been trying to say that it is

not food grade vanilla bean extract still. Still, you can tell from

the MSDS: it contains water, alcohol and some vanillin; whatever you

want to call that. I wonder why it is not food grade?

>Any further ideas who might have 1.67 Lbs of vanilla absolute

http://libertynatural.com/bulk/absolute.htm

http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/absooffr.html

http://www.edenbotanicals.com/essentials10.html#vanilla

The Eden Botanicals material is an absolute prepared by CO2

extraction; recognize that this will be different from absolute

prepared by extraction with other solvents.

>....by the first week in Jan? with a reasonable price?

Hah! You don't believe in making things difficult, do you?

Whoever you buy from you are going to need to first get a sample from

the lot you are going to buy. You are going to need a large enough

sample to both evaluate and to hold some back for comparison with the

bulk lot when it arrives. I would say at least 7 gram samples and you

are going to need them sent by overnight courier; since you don't

have an existing business relationship with the vendors you are going

to have to pay for the sample and shipping.

Do you really need an absolute? Would a tincture work? Or do you just

need vanillin?

You are improperly mixing the term vanilla and vanillin. Vanilla is a

plant product. Vanillin is a pure chemical that is found in vanilla

beans and that can also be produced by in vitro chemical synthesis.

If you just need vanillin then it is available for much less money;

$33/kg from here:

http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/rawmoffr.html

[Guest guest]

> You are improperly mixing the term vanilla and vanillin. Vanilla is a

> plant product. Vanillin is a pure chemical that is found in vanilla

> beans and that can also be produced by in vitro chemical synthesis.

>

I am sorry! I thought you had used the term vanillin interchangeably

with vanilla but I don't see it now.

[Guest guest]

> ... about the vanilla CO2 ...do you know if it is a total or select?

Can anyone tell me about the difference in procedure in preparing a

total vs. select?

[Guest guest]

>

> " It was MJ who wanted to buy vanilla in bulk, but I am interested in

hearing more about the

> vanilla CO2 too . "

>

>Anya, , M.J.,

I am interested in co-oping this Vanilla oil from Ireland. From

reading allow you all write I trust your noses! ;-> Will you post on

the group? How does a person pay in a co-op; is it that M.J. would

purchase it...then we would pay her credit card, pay pal, cashier's?

So what's up wondrous lovers of the aromatique!

I feel grateful for knowledge, passions and information shared here,

grand blessins to all for the New Year,

Kat

PS Anya

Aside-(If you haven't gotten it yet the obrilliant is sarcastic! I

feel so thick when I read on how to do thigs correct with the

computor-so Anya I'm sorry if I'm still not getting things right)

Also I would like to buy some of your deerstogue tinture. For those

who haven't smelled it image a image an earthy etherial ver vanilla ,

like smelling vanilla deep in a hidden forest...it's a treat and very

hard to find.

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On Jan 4, 2006, at 11:58 AM, barefootdivagifts wrote:

> > wrote:>

> > " It was MJ who wanted to buy vanilla in bulk, but I am interested in

> hearing more about the

> > vanilla CO2 too . "

> >

> >Anya, , M.J.,

> I am interested in co-oping this Vanilla oil from Ireland. From

> reading allow you all write I trust your noses! ;-> Will you post on

> the group? How does a person pay in a co-op; is it that M.J. would

> purchase it...then we would pay her credit card, pay pal, cashier's?

> So what's up wondrous lovers of the aromatique!

> I actually need the vanilla asap, so a co-op buy probably won't

> work for me. And I need a kilo.

MJ

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Poh Yee Ooi-Holmes <pyoh@...> wrote:

Hello there,

Vanilla Absolute is very expensive... I wondered if I can infuse ground

vanilla beans in olive oil and use it like an absolute, in lotions and

potions.

thanks in advance.

Poh Yee

Hi Poh Yee!

Yes you can definitely infuse oil with vanilla beans but since olive oil has its

own smell, you may want to use something like jojoba oil or fractionated coconut

oil. Also, olive oil will go rancid over time and these other oils have a very

long life.

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Poh Yee Ooi-Holmes

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:21 AM

Subject: vanilla

Hello there,

Vanilla Absolute is very expensive... I wondered if I can infuse

ground

vanilla beans in olive oil and use it like an absolute, in lotions

and

potions.

thanks in advance.

Poh Yee

Hi Poh Yee,

We have infused infused beans in fractionated coconut oil and it is very

strong and lovely to use. I don't recommend it for alcohol perfumes, but it

works nicely in oil and solid perfumes, as well as in lotions and creams.

We also have tinctured finely chopped beans in perfumer's alcohol, which we

use in alcohol perfumes and room sprays. The tenacity of the absolute is

very apparently greater than that of an infused or tinctured product, but

odor wise, I prefer the infused or tincture over the absolute. I also use

vanilla CO2 and I'm talking with our supplier about making a pourable

product, much like we now find orris root, for perfumery.

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane http://www.wingedseed.com

" When the power of love becomes stronger than the love of power, we will

have peace. "

Jimi Hendrix

[Guest guest]

>

> We have infused infused beans in fractionated coconut oil and it is

very

> strong and lovely to use. I don't recommend it for alcohol

perfumes, but it

> works nicely in oil and solid perfumes, as well as in lotions and

creams.

How exciting !!!! In my area, France, Bourbon Vanilia is beloved, not

costless, but can stay more affordable than in some countries as

Madagascar used to belong to French colonies.

I know 2/3 very good fair trade associations from Madagascar supplying

exquisite Bourbon vanilia at reasonnable price. If you are interested

in it, I can ask them about selling vanilia to another countries if it

can interest NP.

Have you tried and compared the scent when using only grains, and

whenh using only the outside of the vanilia ?

In case of we could use it after cookery (often using seeds, and not

using the outside, except for infusing milk)

Could you give us an idea of the ratio oil/vanilia, and did you ground

it ?

Thank you in advance.

Vanilia yours !!!!

[Guest guest]

>snip

.... I wondered if I can infuse

>ground

> vanilla beans in olive oil and use it like an absolute, in lotions

>and

> potions.

>

> thanks in advance.

>

> Poh Yee

>

>

>Hi Poh Yee,

>

>We have infused infused beans in fractionated coconut oil and it is very

>strong and lovely to use. I don't recommend it for alcohol perfumes, but

>it

>works nicely in oil and solid perfumes, as well as in lotions and creams.

>We also have tinctured finely chopped beans in perfumer's alcohol, which we

>use in alcohol perfumes and room sprays. The tenacity of the absolute is

>very apparently greater than that of an infused or tinctured product, but

>odor wise, I prefer the infused or tincture over the absolute. I also use

>vanilla CO2 and I'm talking with our supplier about making a pourable

>product, much like we now find orris root, for perfumery.

>

>Marcia Elston, Samara Botane http://www.wingedseed.com

> " When the power of love becomes stronger than the love of power, we will

>have peace. "

>Jimi Hendrix

>

>

Marcia,

Thanks so much. I was thinking about using pre-grounded vanilla beans. What

are your thoughts on this? I am a cheap skate ( My squirrels are

bankrupting me, but I wont change a thing:))

You are right, I got a sample of CO2 and it did not smell like Vanilla at

all and at that price, eh, hmm. I had to pass on it.

I have infused dried herbs using mason jar and double boiler method. Is this

the method you employ? Does one use the infusion like you would an absolute

i.e. drops.

Thanks again

regards

Poh Yee

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Poh Yee Ooi-Holmes

Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 12:27 PM

Subject: RE: vanilla

>

Marcia,

Thanks so much. I was thinking about using pre-grounded vanilla beans. What

are your thoughts on this? I am a cheap skate ( My squirrels are

bankrupting me, but I wont change a thing:))

You are right, I got a sample of CO2 and it did not smell like Vanilla at

all and at that price, eh, hmm. I had to pass on it.

I have infused dried herbs using mason jar and double boiler method. Is this

the method you employ? Does one use the infusion like you would an absolute

i.e. drops.

Thanks again

regards

Poh Yee

Hmmmm, are you thinking about the dry, powdered vanilla that you get in the

grocery store to shake or use on baked goods? Is this even real vanilla? I

don't think I've seen pre-ground beans, especially to the consistency that

might be desirable for tincturing or infusing in perfumery, but maybe you

have. I don't have time to bake much so I'm out of touch with new culinary

items. The beans we use are still nice and long and only semi-dried . . .

Still very tacky with lots of oil in them. Better to slice/chop them

because they only gum up an electric chopper. I actually have some on hand

if you want to contact me privately, I can sell you one or two beans quite

inexpensively to try and see how it compares with what you are talking

about.

We didn't have to use a double boiler method; we only finely chopped covered

with oil, capped tightly and shook the jar once in a while, letting it sit

for a good three-four weeks to infuse. When we decanted, we used a tincture

press (or mesh bag) to squeeze the oil through to insure that we got as much

vanilla as possible in the oil.

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane http://www.wingedseed.com

" When the power of love becomes stronger than the love of power, we will

have peace. "

Jimi Hendrix

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From: renartmalin>

> We have infused infused beans in fractionated coconut oil and it is

very

> strong and lovely to use. I don't recommend it for alcohol

perfumes, but it

> works nicely in oil and solid perfumes, as well as in lotions and

creams.

Vanilia yours !!!!

Thank you Clair.

I offten wondered if infussion would work in Perfume but never liked to ask

I have used infusion before but only for cooking oils & made Vanilla sugar

as I am sure 90% of this list has, I know you say beans but Did you use the

whole Pod or just the beans

Thanks again Gill.

[Guest guest]

Anya has a very lovely vanilla, very lovely and very pure. I would get

it if you are looking for something fine, though not necessarily in

bulk.

Blessings and joy in your journeys

Alwyn L'hoir

http://www.bluemoonperfume.com

http://www.quantumpeace.blogspot.com

http://www.acountrywomansjournal.blogspot.com

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Ambrosia wrote:

> mmahboubian1 wrote:

>> I am so tired of struggling with vanilla. I've used an ABS that smells

>> good but doesn't disperse in alcohol, an ABS that disperses but smells

>> off, a co2 total that smells yucky and an resinous substance I bought

>> years ago that just made a big mess. I haven't tried tincturing yet.

>> Is it worth it or should I just keep trying different suppliers until I

>> hit the right note? I LOVE vanilla, but I can't seem to get the right

>> stuff.

>>

>> Maggie

> Same here.

> There are a few other things that give you a similar sweetness to what

> the vaniila should...but doesn't. So I use those if I want a sweet note.

> Benzoin sumatran is one...

>

> Ambrosia

Hi Maggie, Ambrosia....

I ran into the same situation with my vanilla absolute....

It's really a pain when you're putting stuff together, and the #@!%$

absolute won't co-operate....

If you're patient you can eventually get a note out of it....

Now, myself, I don't usually need/want that heavy a note, so a tincture

of vanilla beans works out for me...I have a usable form that's ready to

go...Since it's in alcohol, going off doen't seem to be an issue....

I just used some I made up in 2006....I have some as old as 2000, hasn't

gone off, but for this use the 06 was right...

Now my tincture is nowhere near as strong as the absolute.....but I'm

using it as the dilution alcohol.....so their's lots relatively...

Wind up with a nice drydown with the other bottoms...

I suppose one could tincture the absolute itself....spend the time so

you have a usable form of the fragrance....

Also...Adam said his stuff was pourable.....Maybe that goes into high

proof alcohol....

Hey Adam...is yours the magic bullet....?

I admit that it was serendipity that I got the tincture bug.....and that

worked out for me....

Sometimes the Hedge Wizard fooling around pans out...<G>....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

On the other hand....I can't figure out what possessed me to tincture

Turkish oregano herb....?

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Ambrosia wrote:

> mmahboubian1 wrote:

>> I am so tired of struggling with vanilla. I've used an ABS that smells

>> good but doesn't disperse in alcohol, an ABS that disperses but smells

>> off, a co2 total that smells yucky and an resinous substance I bought

>> years ago that just made a big mess. I haven't tried tincturing yet.

>> Is it worth it or should I just keep trying different suppliers until I

>> hit the right note? I LOVE vanilla, but I can't seem to get the right

>> stuff.

>>

>> Maggie

> Same here.

> There are a few other things that give you a similar sweetness to what

> the vaniila should...but doesn't. So I use those if I want a sweet note.

> Benzoin sumatran is one...

>

> Ambrosia

Hi Maggie, Ambrosia....

I ran into the same situation with my vanilla absolute....

It's really a pain when you're putting stuff together, and the #@!%$

absolute won't co-operate....

If you're patient you can eventually get a note out of it....

Now, myself, I don't usually need/want that heavy a note, so a tincture

of vanilla beans works out for me...I have a usable form that's ready to

go...Since it's in alcohol, going off doen't seem to be an issue....

I just used some I made up in 2006....I have some as old as 2000, hasn't

gone off, but for this use the 06 was right...

Now my tincture is nowhere near as strong as the absolute.....but I'm

using it as the dilution alcohol.....so their's lots relatively...

Wind up with a nice drydown with the other bottoms...

I suppose one could tincture the absolute itself....spend the time so

you have a usable form of the fragrance....

Also...Adam said his stuff was pourable.....Maybe that goes into high

proof alcohol....

Hey Adam...is yours the magic bullet....?

I admit that it was serendipity that I got the tincture bug.....and that

worked out for me....

Sometimes the Hedge Wizard fooling around pans out...<G>....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

On the other hand....I can't figure out what possessed me to tincture

Turkish oregano herb....?

[Guest guest]

Ambrosia wrote:

> mmahboubian1 wrote:

>> I am so tired of struggling with vanilla. I've used an ABS that smells

>> good but doesn't disperse in alcohol, an ABS that disperses but smells

>> off, a co2 total that smells yucky and an resinous substance I bought

>> years ago that just made a big mess. I haven't tried tincturing yet.

>> Is it worth it or should I just keep trying different suppliers until I

>> hit the right note? I LOVE vanilla, but I can't seem to get the right

>> stuff.

>>

>> Maggie

> Same here.

> There are a few other things that give you a similar sweetness to what

> the vaniila should...but doesn't. So I use those if I want a sweet note.

> Benzoin sumatran is one...

>

> Ambrosia

Hi Maggie, Ambrosia....

I ran into the same situation with my vanilla absolute....

It's really a pain when you're putting stuff together, and the #@!%$

absolute won't co-operate....

If you're patient you can eventually get a note out of it....

Now, myself, I don't usually need/want that heavy a note, so a tincture

of vanilla beans works out for me...I have a usable form that's ready to

go...Since it's in alcohol, going off doen't seem to be an issue....

I just used some I made up in 2006....I have some as old as 2000, hasn't

gone off, but for this use the 06 was right...

Now my tincture is nowhere near as strong as the absolute.....but I'm

using it as the dilution alcohol.....so their's lots relatively...

Wind up with a nice drydown with the other bottoms...

I suppose one could tincture the absolute itself....spend the time so

you have a usable form of the fragrance....

Also...Adam said his stuff was pourable.....Maybe that goes into high

proof alcohol....

Hey Adam...is yours the magic bullet....?

I admit that it was serendipity that I got the tincture bug.....and that

worked out for me....

Sometimes the Hedge Wizard fooling around pans out...<G>....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

A.J.P. (GIA)

On the other hand....I can't figure out what possessed me to tincture

Turkish oregano herb....?

[Guest guest]

Vanilla isn't available as an essential oil, which is why it won't blend

properly in an oil base which is what I assume you are using...

It's always either an alcoholic extract or an absolute...so you need to

use it in an alcohol base.

Ambrosia

http://www.perfumebynature.com.au

dmattox626 wrote:

> I have tried making a scent with vanilla and I found that it does mix

> well at all! It gathers in one area sort of the equivalent of oil in

> water. Is there a trick to getting the vanilla to blend with the

> other oils?

>

>

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<< Vanilla isn't available as an essential oil, which is why it won't

blend

> properly in an oil base which is what I assume you are using...

> It's always either an alcoholic extract or an absolute...so you need

to

> use it in an alcohol base.>>

I have some vanilla resinoid 20 fold that is driving me nuts. It won't

dissolve in heat or alcohol. I am using it for perfume, so having a

big, brown, blob at the bottom of the bottle is quite unappealing. If I

strain, the fragrance goes away along with the material. Any

suggestions?

[Guest guest]

>Vanilla isn't available as an essential oil, which is why it won't

blend

properly in an oil base which is what I assume you are using...

It's always either an alcoholic extract or an absolute...so you need to

use it in an alcohol base.

Ambrosia

http://www.perfumebynature.com.au

dmattox626 wrote:

> I have tried making a scent with vanilla and I found that it does mix

> well at all! It gathers in one area sort of the equivalent of oil in

> water. Is there a trick to getting the vanilla to blend with the

> other oils?

>

>

Vanilla IS available as a CO2 extract, which, when slightly heated,

will mix with oil just fine. I also had good success i blending

vanilla when I heated my oil base over a candle, and added slightly

heated absolute, and mixed the two. They tended to stay mixed.

Blessings and joy in your journeys

Alwyn L'hoir

www.bluemoonperfume.com

www.mrspipersphotoparlour.com

www.acountrywomansjournal.blogspot.com

www.quantumpeace.blogspot.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this tip! I'll be starting a new project involving vanilla so I'll

be sure to try this.

[Guest guest]

doesn't that drive you nuts when that won't melt?

have you tried zapping that in a microwave with a little oil?

 

I did that with some sticky resinous stuff I couldn't get to blend either and I

believe it was vanilla. If I remember, I did have to heat it. but you have to

work quickly. 

 

if a high alcohol didn't phase it then I'm guessing heat is another option .. I

know I won't be doing it again and I wonder if just leaving some in alcohol like

........forever at least wouldnt scent it LOL.......or infusions........oils are

solvents sort of , hm.......i'm going to go do an experiment on that.......I'll

let you know in  year or two LOL....perhaps there is that one oil and one more

step that could render that in a way you could use it. If you have enough, give

it a try and see what you think.

 

 

word of caution, if its too hot don't use a pipette =)

 

e

[Guest guest]

>

<<I did that with some sticky resinous stuff I couldn't get to blend

either and I believe it was vanilla. If I remember, I did have to heat

it. but you have to work quickly. >>

Selkie, I think I am going to try CO2 next time. I hear that is easier

to blend. But I'm sorry the resinoid didn't work out, it smelled just

so wonderful!

[Guest guest]

Yeah, thats the best thing and saves your sanity.......mine was shot a long time

ago LOL.

I know I messed with that until I could pull my hair out........thick balsam of

peru wasn't that difficult.......sheesh.......

 

what i had I think turned into sap LOL.......hey, in a few hundred years that

might be worth something!

 

Just in case I reincarnate, I'm taking a treasure map along with me when its my

time so I'll know where to dig LOL!

 

e

[Guest guest]

I purchased the Vanilla Bourbon CO2 Total from Eden Botanicals and not

only does it smell DELICIOUS, but it is also soluble in oil. I made a

lovely solid perfume with it and there were no little dark

globules 'hanging' in the perfume. Hope it is okay to mention them

here.. If not, sorry.

Deb

[Guest guest]

>

> I purchased the Vanilla Bourbon CO2 Total from Eden Botanicals and

not

> only does it smell DELICIOUS, but it is also soluble in oil...

I also have heard great things about EB's vanilla CO2 and am looking

forward to trying it. Thanks for sharing your experience with it, Deb.

I feel hopeful