Microwaves

[Guest guest]

Hi list, The Germans discovered the ability of microwaves to heat food in WWII.

They used it during the cold winters of the Russian front. Soon after the war

ended, the Germans ban them and so did the Russians! This is not a joke.

Microwaves are as close as X-rays as you can get. They destroy (or damage) the

chemical bonds linking atoms and molecules together. The breakage of these bonds

is a source of energy for the body. Use them at your own peril.

microwaves

http://www.execonn.com/sf/

Interesting experiment possibly showing microwving to be detrimental - I'm not

ready to blindly believe this as the pics look a bit dodgy to me, with the soils

appearing different and latter pics looking like the plant may have been

chopped, but will try it myself and let people know the results.

)

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[Guest guest]

Hello,

I was also around during the big microwave debate. My conclusion was

that even if there is NO evidence that microwaves are harmful, I

prefer not to use them.

I suppose someone could call me superstitious or irrationally

prejudiced. But microwaves just don't strike me as natural.

I prefer to stick to cooking methods from traditional societies. This

makes sense to me logically -- these peoples have been eating healthy

for thousands of years -- and it is also emotionally appealing for me.

Also, who would have both the money and the incentive to do a thorough

scientific test of microwaves? The medical establishment? The

government? Industry? I don't think so. The alternative healers don't

have the resources.

In any case there is no NEED to use a microwave, it seems prudent not

to use one. I think microwave food tastes crappy anyway.

Just my 2 cents.

- T

>

> In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:24:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> fcunsrial@... writes:

> Please review these studies about the danger of microwaving foods.

>

> We already did all of this and read these articles. None of the

" dumbshit "

> operations (baby bottle and cooking blood) had anything to do with

the alleged

> molecular action of microwaves but were just stupid thinking.

Actually, the

> baby bottle problem supports my contention that microwaved boiled

water isn't as

> evenly distributed so there is boiling water in some parts and

cooler water

> in others. Again, the only study referenced turned out to be

defective and was

> discredited. This Swiss guy is the only one who's ever come out

with any

> study and it was with only 8 people in a hotel. Come on, where are

the 1000s of

> people double blind tested in a clinic and scientifically

controlled? Sure

> glad this guy isn't in charge of our pharmaceutical industry.

>

> Hey, if you can find additional research studies PLEASE let us know. I

> started out neutral and after some exhaustive research I found

nothing that

> supports the molecular mutations that " Mr Swiss " talks about.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/26/2006 8:27:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tamaratornado@... writes:

Also, who would have both the money and the incentive to do a thorough

scientific test of microwaves? The medical establishment? The

government? Industry? I don't think so. The alternative healers don't

have the resources.

Sure seems like there are a lot of people out there who want to believe this

so why don't they establish a testing criteria? The experiment devised by

that school girl is not that far off, just add scientific method, double

blindtesting, and more plants.

As far as the 1000 year thing, I don't think too many cave men and women had

electricity either and we hear all kinds of bad things about electric

induction even though that has been researched with no harm found. Don't see

too many

people using whale oil lamps.

We avoid things that scare us and the media finds something new to scare us

everyday to sell air time or newspapers. Geez, you'd think that Mad Cow

disease and bird flu are a pandemic but no one in the US has died from either

and

really there haven't been very many worldwide cases compared to things like

E-coli and salmonella, totally preventable diseases. I really feel sorry for

people with children. How do they weed through all of the bad info but still

allow their children to grow and experience the world? It was tough when I had

kids and there was a lot less competition among the media. Just my humble

opinion.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/26/2006 10:48:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,

lindabumpas@... writes:

Does anybody have any suggestions about how to heat (usually frozen) bread ,

buns, tortillas, etc and keep them soft?

LOL--The way I do it is to sprinkle a little water on it, wrap it in a

napkin, and microwave it for 5-10 second intervals. Comes out like moist, fresh

bread. Sorry.

[Guest guest]

I gave up my microwave when I moved and I don't miss it except for heating bread

products without drying them out. (My son comes over and wants bread, so I keep

some in the freezer for him.) Does anybody have any suggestions about how to

heat (usually frozen) bread , buns, tortillas, etc and keep them soft? Thank

you!

re: microwaves

Hello,

I was also around during the big microwave debate. My conclusion was

that even if there is NO evidence that microwaves are harmful, I

prefer not to use them.

I suppose someone could call me superstitious or irrationally

prejudiced. But microwaves just don't strike me as natural.

I prefer to stick to cooking methods from traditional societies. This

makes sense to me logically -- these peoples have been eating healthy

for thousands of years -- and it is also emotionally appealing for me.

Also, who would have both the money and the incentive to do a thorough

scientific test of microwaves? The medical establishment? The

government? Industry? I don't think so. The alternative healers don't

have the resources.

In any case there is no NEED to use a microwave, it seems prudent not

to use one. I think microwave food tastes crappy anyway.

Just my 2 cents.

- T

>

> In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:24:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> fcunsrial@... writes:

> Please review these studies about the danger of microwaving foods.

>

> We already did all of this and read these articles. None of the

" dumbshit "

> operations (baby bottle and cooking blood) had anything to do with

the alleged

> molecular action of microwaves but were just stupid thinking.

Actually, the

> baby bottle problem supports my contention that microwaved boiled

water isn't as

> evenly distributed so there is boiling water in some parts and

cooler water

> in others. Again, the only study referenced turned out to be

defective and was

> discredited. This Swiss guy is the only one who's ever come out

with any

> study and it was with only 8 people in a hotel. Come on, where are

the 1000s of

> people double blind tested in a clinic and scientifically

controlled? Sure

> glad this guy isn't in charge of our pharmaceutical industry.

>

> Hey, if you can find additional research studies PLEASE let us know. I

> started out neutral and after some exhaustive research I found

nothing that

> supports the molecular mutations that " Mr Swiss " talks about.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Boil a pot of water and hold the bread about 6 inches above it, just

on the dissipating edge of the steam. That keeps bread moist, without

making it soggy. And it is quick too :-)

On 4/26/06, Bumpas <lindabumpas@...> wrote:

> I gave up my microwave when I moved and I don't miss it except for heating

bread products without drying them out. (My son comes over and wants bread, so

I keep some in the freezer for him.) Does anybody have any suggestions about how

to heat (usually frozen) bread , buns, tortillas, etc and keep them soft?

Thank you!

[Guest guest]

You can put them in a regular oven, wrapped in a damp towel, also.

Gretchen

Re: re: microwaves

I gave up my microwave when I moved and I don't miss it except for heating

bread products without drying them out.

[Guest guest]

I agree with you

Tamara <tamaratornado@...> wrote: Hello,

I was also around during the big microwave debate. My conclusion was

that even if there is NO evidence that microwaves are harmful, I

prefer not to use them.

I suppose someone could call me superstitious or irrationally

prejudiced. But microwaves just don't strike me as natural.

I prefer to stick to cooking methods from traditional societies. This

makes sense to me logically -- these peoples have been eating healthy

for thousands of years -- and it is also emotionally appealing for me.

Also, who would have both the money and the incentive to do a thorough

scientific test of microwaves? The medical establishment? The

government? Industry? I don't think so. The alternative healers don't

have the resources.

In any case there is no NEED to use a microwave, it seems prudent not

to use one. I think microwave food tastes crappy anyway.

Just my 2 cents.

- T

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[Guest guest]

Our family has been w/o the microwave (on purpose) for over 2 years

now. We have a toaster oven for many things, which works great. We

haven't missed the microwave at all, except for popcorn. I just need

to learn how to do that the old fashioned way, I guess. I have

heard that just having the microwave in your home and plugged in is not

good.

> > We never microwave in plastic and try not to use the microwave

much at all (sometimes we just " have " to, but it's much rarer now).

> >

> > Any pointers?

> > Sheri B.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't heard anything bad about microwaves. What is this about? Thx.

-Angie

On Sunday, May 28, 2006, at 11:11 PM, wrote:

> Our family has been w/o the microwave (on purpose) for over 2 years

> now. We have a toaster oven for many things, which works great. We

> haven't missed the microwave at all, except for popcorn. I just need

> to learn how to do that the old fashioned way, I guess. I have

> heard that just having the microwave in your home and plugged in is not

> good.

>

>

>

>>> We never microwave in plastic and try not to use the microwave

> much at all (sometimes we just " have " to, but it's much rarer now).

>>>

>>> Any pointers?

>>> Sheri B.

>>>

>>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I haven't quite been able to take that final step to get rid of the thing.....

We use our toaster oven and it has a convection element to it, which helps speed

things up (although it dries things out, too).

But ironically, the only way I can make popcorn is on the stove. I cannot

STAND the microwave stuff. I want to know what is in my popcorn. Even the all

natural stuff has " stuff " in it, ya know? ; )

Good for you on getting rid of your radioactive monster.

Sheri B.

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[Guest guest]

I hear ya! I can't eat microwave popcorn, I can taste the chemicals in it. We

bought a hot air popper, it is fast and easy.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

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From: " Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...>

I haven't quite been able to take that final step to get rid of the thing.....

We use our toaster oven and it has a convection element to it, which helps speed

things up (although it dries things out, too).

But ironically, the only way I can make popcorn is on the stove. I cannot

STAND the microwave stuff. I want to know what is in my popcorn. Even the all

natural stuff has " stuff " in it, ya know? ; )

Good for you on getting rid of your radioactive monster.

Sheri B.

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[Guest guest]

Guilty confession: I love all the grease with the stove-top stuff popcorn. I

figure I'm not eating it every day and I use coconut oil instead of butter (or

sometimes butter). Weston Price eaters don't think this is too bad anyway....

The coconut oil is yummy on it.

Sheri B.

SaraShaughnessy@... wrote:

I hear ya! I can't eat microwave popcorn, I can taste the chemicals in it. We

bought a hot air popper, it is fast and easy.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

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From: " Sheri B. "

I haven't quite been able to take that final step to get rid of the thing.....

We use our toaster oven and it has a convection element to it, which helps speed

things up (although it dries things out, too).

But ironically, the only way I can make popcorn is on the stove. I cannot STAND

the microwave stuff. I want to know what is in my popcorn. Even the all natural

stuff has " stuff " in it, ya know? ; )

Good for you on getting rid of your radioactive monster.

Sheri B.

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[Guest guest]

I guess a HFS should carry corn that's not genetically modified? That would be

my concern with stovetop popcorn.

Kay

Re: Re: microwaves

But ironically, the only way I can make popcorn is on the stove. I cannot

STAND the microwave stuff. I want to know what is in my popcorn. Even the all

natural stuff has " stuff " in it, ya know? ; )

Sheri B.

[Guest guest]

These are some sites that I found. We didn't have a computer when we

got rid of the microwave, so these aren't the exact resources we used

to make our decision. Please let me know, anyone, if this is false

information. However, we've found it's just fine living w/o a

microwave, so it's one of those things were we'd rather be safe than

sorry.

http://www.mercola.com/article/microwave/hazards.htm

http://www.jrussellshealth.com/microwaves.html

http://www.laleva.cc/environment/microwave.html

>

> I haven't heard anything bad about microwaves. What is this about?

Thx.

> -Angie

>

>

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 4/24/2006 12:40:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> fcunsrial@... writes:

> Microwaves are as close as X-rays as you can get.

With respect - you need to fire your science teacher!

X-rays are subatomic radiation particles. Namely *atomic* radiation. The

kind that penetrate molecules and bombard your DNA. Nasty stuff.

Microwaves have nothing to do with atomic radiation, there are no atomic

particles involved to bombard anything!

They are closest to TV signals and cellphone signals.

Do you plan to toss out your TV - and your cellphone?

After all you probably use both more than your microwave and neither

your TV nor your cell phone are shielded from cooking your body cells

with microwave radiation the way your microwave is?

The one thing people NEED to know about microwave ovens, is that you

need cooking lessons on how to use it well, same as with any other

appliance. Do that and it will reward you many times over in

convenience, speed, lack of washing up, space saving, lower cost all

round including energy, better nutrient preservation and improved taste.

Skip that how-to step, and you will forever cook the food too much or

too little or both at the same time (easy to do in different parts of

the food when you dunno what you are about) or cook carcinogens into it

and a bad workman always blames his tools for the poor results, so you

will then blame the microwave (or your science teacher) and not your

lack of microwave cooking lessons:-))

A few lessons is all you need - but you NEED them not to goof up:-)

Namaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

" Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. "

[Guest guest]

Irene, so happy to have you back. I was worried about you. Good luck

with the rest of your dental work. Wanda

[Guest guest]

> lindabumpas@... writes:

> Does anybody have any suggestions about how to heat (usually frozen) bread ,

> buns, tortillas, etc and keep them soft?

One slice of frozen Ezekiel raisin bread needs 10 secs in a 1000 watt

microwave.

(Increase seconds in proportion to volume.)

...Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

" Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. "

[Guest guest]

kathy matthews wrote:

> I suppose someone could call me superstitious or irrationally

> prejudiced. But microwaves just don't strike me as natural.

Well - in a way microwaves strike you all the time - they are the waves

for radio transmission, radar, TV etc. Unlike the ones in an oven, they

DO strike you - all the time:-) The ones in an oven are shielded and do

not strike you. (naturally or otherwise.)

In a way, everything on the planet is made of the basic elements in the

periodic table of elements and is thus natural.

It's pretty hard to define what's natural.

TV, cell phones and other equipment all works on microwaves. They are

also debatably " not natural " but we all use them.

Planet Jupiter transmits radio waves and those are microwaves too -

that's pretty natural?

On the other hand the sun's reactions are nuclear reactions - and those

are also natural - albeit not safe to mess with!

Here's a factual only website, that may be helpful to show what

wavelength microwaves are and how far removed they are from the atomic

spectrum of xrays for example:

http://imagers.gsfc.nasa.gov/ems/micro.html

> I prefer to stick to cooking methods from traditional societies. This

> makes sense to me logically -- these peoples have been eating healthy

> for thousands of years -- and it is also emotionally appealing for me.

>

> Also, who would have both the money and the incentive to do a thorough

> scientific test of microwaves?

NASA has done it as they use microwaves in space to transmit pictures

back to earth. They know exactly what they are:-))

There never was any doubt in scientific circles; the nonsense came about

from rabbel rousers like Mercola (not scientists) who will put anything

on their website regardless of how stupid it is.

It's part of " democracy " to be allowed to publish rubbish:-)

Hence the nasa website above.

> In any case there is no NEED to use a microwave,

Well that is debatable. There is no NEED to use a clumsy stove that

burns your hands, takes up half the kitchen, uses up lots of money and

ruins the nutritional content and requires umpteen washing up hours of

one's life, takes hours of cooking time (and added up over a lifetime

this is years), needs expensive pots etc etc.

I sure can not justify any other way of cooking but microwave!

For time, efficiency, cost, space and nutrition.

> it seems prudent not

> to use one. I think microwave food tastes crappy anyway.

Badly cooked food always tastes crappy.

If you had me cook on a stove you'd say stove food was crappy:-))

I'd need lessons....

One needs lessons to use a microwave correctly - it's really easy but

you need to know how. Food tastes way better cooked properly in a

microwave and is more nutritious.

> Just my 2 cents.

I feel that way about non-microwave methods:-))

I've used a " nukebox " (my term of endearment for the lifesaver box) for

all my family meals and personal cooking since about the mid 80s.

Exceptions are meringues and BBQ; they do not work in a nukebox.

Using TV waves to cook food is neat:-)

(literally and figuratively)

But to each his own - I am just trying to take the nonsense hype out of

the picture, and put plain sense back in:-)

Namaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

" Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. "

[Guest guest]

> Microwaves are as close as X-rays as you can get.

LOL--I never saw this post but microwaves have nothing to do with x-rays or

gamma rays. X-rays come from electron decay between atoms and molecules.

Gamma rays come from within an atom and are released when the binding energy

(the

energy that holds an atom together-ie splitting the atom) is overcome.

Microwaves are different wave lengths of electromagnetic waves (from centimeters

in

length to a foot in length). They will not make things radioactive like

x-rays and gamma rays do. With enough intensity (radar units), they can kill

you

but so can being staked out in the desert in the sun.

[Guest guest]

Ken,

I would caution our group members about the installation of Alumna-

foil in climates other than the very frigid ones. In warm or moderate

climates, the installation of an interior vapor barrier has been known

to promote rot and mold.

Tim

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There is a material called Alumna-foil which can be used in

construction that offers two sweet aspects:

Non penetratable barrier for chemicals

Farady cage for emf

http://www.afs-foil.com/pages/residential.htm

In some construction work underway -- it is being specified for all

rooms.

[Guest guest]

Ken, Thanks for the very useful information. I would imagine that it

is also quite cost-effective. Are you by any chance also using this

product in your own home?

Regards,

paul

>

> There is a material called Alumna-foil which can be used in

> construction that offers two sweet aspects:

>

> Non penetratable barrier for chemicals

> Farady cage for emf

>

> http://www.afs-foil.com/pages/residential.htm

>

> In some construction work underway -- it is being specified for all

> rooms.

>

[Guest guest]

On all remodels or new construction (we building a small place (<

900 sf) in the country side - that is hyper-clean for MCS. All

natural materials, no epoxy, resins, glues, formehyde containing

products, press board, OSB etc, tile floors etc).

It's use in place of a vapor barrier -- it's a vapor barrier when

solid, there is a perforated version that is not a vapor barrier

(gives you the EMF aspect, and also the thermal barrier but not the

impregnable barrier between your living area and what is in the

walls (i.e. black mold, epoxies from OSB and other building

products).

As with all vapor barriers, it needs to be ***correctly applied***

or it can cause problems..

Ken

>

> Ken, Thanks for the very useful information. I would imagine that

it

> is also quite cost-effective. Are you by any chance also using

this

> product in your own home?

>

> Regards,

>

> paul

[Guest guest]

Agreed, it needs to properly used -- ideally the walls and venting

systems are appropriately designed for it by professional builders

who know the local climate and it's issues.

There is a perforated version -- which gives the EMF (and also is a

thermal barrier -- heat issues anyone?) and would reduce some of the

MCS aspects of building material...

>

> Ken,

>

> I would caution our group members about the installation of Alumna-

> foil in climates other than the very frigid ones. In warm or

moderate

> climates, the installation of an interior vapor barrier has been

known

> to promote rot and mold.

>

> Tim

>

> -------------------------------------------------------------------

---

>

> There is a material called Alumna-foil which can be used in

> construction that offers two sweet aspects:

>

> Non penetratable barrier for chemicals

> Farady cage for emf

>

> http://www.afs-foil.com/pages/residential.htm

>

> In some construction work underway -- it is being specified for

all

> rooms.

>

[Guest guest]

Ken, will your new place also be pretty electrosmog-free, i.e. away

from cell phone masts, etc.?

paul

> >

> > Ken, Thanks for the very useful information. I would imagine that

> it

> > is also quite cost-effective. Are you by any chance also using

> this

> > product in your own home?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > paul

>