Microwaves

July 20, 2006

We used http://www.antennasearch.com to locate antenna's

We are located ~ 1.5 miles from the nearest tower.

The house is:

* being wired for Shielded CAT5 (no wireless internet),

* no cordless phones (telephone outlets in each room and one on the

patio)

* no microwave of course (microwave also kills nutritional value of

foods)

* no LCD TVs (LCD use fluorscent tubes -- which is known to trigger

some autoimmune illnesses, i.e. lupus, and

many CFIDers have lupus antibodies -- but NOT lupus).

And at least 600' from the nearest neighbor (minimizing their

radiation output). I have been in a apartment complex (just 2

stories) and seen a dozen wireless network showing up on available

networks...

and I expect it will keep increasing...

Personally, I feel that a rural (non-agricultural) environment is

generally a better environment for CFIDS recovery than an urban

environment and often have lower costs of living.

Agricultural environment have major issues with sprays etc (unless

you are in the middle of an Organic Farming Area).

Related to this issues, those in the UK and Canada may have caught

the " Silent Killer " episode of " Judge Deed " (not sure if it has

played on BBC-America) that dealt with Radio towers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/crime/judge/episodes.shtml (another

episode dealt with vaccines)

It was based on some real legal cases in the UK and very

informative...

See http://www.mast-victims.org/

>

> Ken, will your new place also be pretty electrosmog-free, i.e. away

> from cell phone masts, etc.?

>

> paul

>

July 20, 2006

Ken,

If I recall correctly, when you got sick you were working in a very high EMR

environment. Is

that correct?

paul

> >

> > Ken, will your new place also be pretty electrosmog-free, i.e. away

> > from cell phone masts, etc.?

> >

> > paul

> >

>

July 20, 2006

Yes,

Microsoft Corporate Campus -- but it was probably stress that pushed

me into CFIDS. I have since worked back in that EMR environment with

no ill effects (and only as a contractor -- so if stress builds, I

exit, stage Health).

>

> Ken,

>

> If I recall correctly, when you got sick you were working in a very

high EMR environment. Is

> that correct?

>

> paul

January 15, 2007

I have no problem at all with any microwave.

On 1/16/07, <yourfavmyfav@...> wrote:

>

> hi all im just wondering if any one is finding the microwave causing

> thier implant to act funny like cut on and off ,,,,making ur head

> feel like its in the microwave ..... I just got a new microwave for

> xmas and it really can make my head buzz for a few mins and make my

> implant act off for a short time ....(my old microwave didnt work

> right ...taking too long to warm things up etc ) curious

>

January 16, 2007

I've never noticed or had any problems with the microwave either. Perhaps you

should have your processor looked at. or talk to your doc about the implant

itself.

One of my electrodes causes my left eyelid to twitch occasionally but it doesn't

need a microwave to do that (I don't think).

Pam

January 16, 2007

Hi ,

Your microwave should have adequate shielding to prevent that. I've

never had a problem with my processor acting strange or cutting out near

a microwave, and I've had some pretty CHEAP ones. $30 or so.

Try this. Take off the processor and run the microwave. If it still

feels that way, it's not the processor. Go to your implant center.

Are you using rechargeable batteries? Ask your audi if the microwave

will affect them.

The only things I've noticed effecting my processor are fluorescent

lights, dimmer switches, and computer screens, and then ONLY when I'm on

the telecoil setting.

Do you have a Nucleus processor? Are you on Whisper or Telecoil when

this is happening. Because you should be on Microphone most of the time.

If it's a Nucleus, is it the Freedom, and are you using BEAM or ADRO on

it? Both of those are designed to cut out loud noises in the background,

and that might sound like the processor is turning off momentarily. It's

supposed to.

So, tell us which processor you have, and what setting you are using

and maybe we can deduce the problem.

Sherlock Holmes and Company here on .

Posted by: " " yourfavmyfav@... yourfavmyfav

Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:09 pm (PST)

hi all im just wondering if any one is finding the microwave causing

thier implant to act funny like cut on and off ,,,,making ur head feel

like its in the microwave ..... I just got a new microwave for

xmas and it really can make my head buzz for a few mins and make my

implant act off for a short time ....(my old microwave didnt work right

....taking too long to warm things up etc ) curious

January 17, 2007

>

> hi again ive got the freedom implant and i do love it

i also very rarely move it from program one to the other

programs some body was telling me that microwaves have

electromagetic feilds coming from them and that could be why i

feel like my head is roaring ...though i never did hear the

microwave before my implant and now i hear it run and beep when

its finished ....Im gonna try that see if i feel the roar

with out the implant turned on .....will let u know thanks

brenda

>

> Hi ,

> Your microwave should have adequate shielding to prevent that.

I've

> never had a problem with my processor acting strange or cutting out

near

> a microwave, and I've had some pretty CHEAP ones. $30 or so.

> Try this. Take off the processor and run the microwave. If it

still

> feels that way, it's not the processor. Go to your implant center.

> Are you using rechargeable batteries? Ask your audi if the

microwave

> will affect them.

> The only things I've noticed effecting my processor are

fluorescent

> lights, dimmer switches, and computer screens, and then ONLY when

I'm on

> the telecoil setting.

> Do you have a Nucleus processor? Are you on Whisper or Telecoil

when

> this is happening. Because you should be on Microphone most of the

time.

> If it's a Nucleus, is it the Freedom, and are you using BEAM or

ADRO on

> it? Both of those are designed to cut out loud noises in the

background,

> and that might sound like the processor is turning off

momentarily. It's

> supposed to.

> So, tell us which processor you have, and what setting you are

using

> and maybe we can deduce the problem.

> Sherlock Holmes and Company here on .

>

> Posted by: " " yourfavmyfav@... yourfavmyfav

> Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:09 pm (PST)

> hi all im just wondering if any one is finding the microwave causing

> thier implant to act funny like cut on and off ,,,,making ur head

feel

> like its in the microwave ..... I just got a new microwave for

> xmas and it really can make my head buzz for a few mins and make my

> implant act off for a short time ....(my old microwave didnt work

right

> ...taking too long to warm things up etc ) curious

>

April 18, 2008

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

Microwaves

Dear Forums,

I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the experiment or the conclusions in this paper but they are interesting.

http://matriellez.net/microwave.pdf

Hope you are keeping well,

All the Best

Bill Z

April 19, 2008

Dear Olga,

Thanks for this.

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

Snopes definitely states that

the plants conclusion cannot be verified by scientific means. Does that mean

microwaves are safe? Does that mean using electric cookers is not more harmful

as many in macrobiotics say, including Michio Kushi?

What about the other conclusions

in the paper?

Hope you are keeping well,

All the Best

Bill Z

From:

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Behalf Of Olga

Sent: 19 April 2008 12:44

Subject: Re: Microwaves

http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

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Sent: Friday, April 18,

2008 8:14 PM

Subject: Microwaves

Dear Forums,

I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the experiment or the

conclusions in this paper but they are interesting.

http://matriellez.net/microwave.pdf

Hope you are keeping well,

All the Best

Bill Z

April 19, 2008

lol I saved this one I love it

>

> Dear Forums,

>

> I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the experiment or the conclusions in

> this paper but they are interesting.

>

> http://matriellez.net/microwave.pdf

>

> Hope you are keeping well,

>

> All the Best

>

> Bill Z

>

April 19, 2008

water has a memory and it takes on some of the attributes of the processes that

is applied

to it-

microphotography reveals completely different or varying structure in particular

crystals

that form

-- In , " Olga " <pubrel@...> wrote:

>

> http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp

>

> Microwaves

>

> Dear Forums,

>

> I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the experiment or the conclusions in

this paper

but they are interesting.

>

> http://matriellez.net/microwave.pdf

>

> Hope you are keeping well,

>

> All the Best

>

> Bill Z

>

April 19, 2008

It would be an easy experiment to duplicate...

Microwaves> > > Dear Forums,> > > > I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the experiment or the conclusions in this paper but they are interesting.> > > > http://matriellez.net/microwave.pdf> > > > Hope you are keeping well,> > > > All the Best> > > > Bill Z>

April 19, 2008

Seems someone did.... so are microwaves safe? There is one thing I discovered, food tastes better if cooked by any other means than a microwave...even just reheating.

Microwaves

Dear Forums,

I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the experiment or the conclusions in this paper but they are interesting.

http://matriellez.net/microwave.pdf

Hope you are keeping well,

All the Best

Bill Z

April 19, 2008

Hmmm, is micro waved food "safe" to eat? Interesting question with lots of side issues. One question that I've never seen scientifically addressed is" "Does microwaving change food energy". From my own intuition I believe that it does. Of course, people who are not concerned about food energy, would dismiss such a "crazy notion". Therefore, it's usually wise to observe the person's reference point when listening to his recommendations. If one is a Chicken, one might not want the Fox's advice about constructing a safe hen house.

We probably all agree that one is not going to turn green & drop dead from eating micro waved food. However, I don't believe that there is enough long-term research to definitely say "yeah" or "nay" about the effects. Some other questions that might arise: Perhaps the harmful effects don't show up until the 2nd generation, perhaps the effects are more emotional/attitude rather than physical, or perhaps the food doesn't provide as much "strength", or perhaps we'll eventually discover that there are no harmful effects.

Guess another question might be: Since it may be years before mainstream science discovers/admits the effects of microwaved foods, why not just avoid using them? I grew up without a microwave oven, and in 1995, gave away the only one that I've ever owned. Not having a microwave has never been a hardship.

Although I don't own a microwave, and I don't use my mother's when I'm visiting her, I don't get upset if I discover that a restaurant has heated food in one.

Wishing everyone a great weekend.

Dottie

Microwaves

Dear Forums,

I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the experiment or the conclusions in this paper but they are interesting.

http://matriellez.net/microwave.pdf

Hope you are keeping well,

All the Best

Bill Z

April 19, 2008

Hi,

The group may find this interesting regarding microwave tissue damage.

I am quoting from, "Sclerology, An Ancient Art" by Leonard Mehlmauer, ND. This comes from my study of the sclera, and in this book is a description of the tissue damage done by various forms of irradiation including microwaves and microwaving all the way to x-radiation and cobalt radiation. The whites of the eye carry markers for this tissue or organ damage.

The quote is from pate 135.

"Signs of irradiation may be showing anything from mild (but somehow significant to the body) solar and cosmic ray exposure, to household microwave exposure (eating nuked food) or standing near the appliance), to commercial nuclear-waste food irradiation exposure (through eating irradiated food), to extreme tissue damaging medical cobalt exposure. The intensity of the lines and background signs associated signs, tell the tale. One also looks for signs of infection (which means parasites) Look for tissue destruction. Ask about symptoms where irradiation markers in the eye are found. In the picture tissue damage is illustrated due to excessive intake of irradiated food, whether the irradiation was from the nuclear waste exposure process or from microwave ovens. The subject uses microwaves a lot. Her marker lies in the spleen area."

When in doubt, take the easy way out, don't use microwave ovens.

Thanks Dottie for your comments.

Take care,

On Sat Apr 19 14:47 , 'Dottie Roseboom' sent:

Hmmm, is micro waved food "safe" to eat? Interesting question with lots of side issues. One question that I've never seen scientifically addressed is" "Does microwaving change food energy". From my own intuition I believe that it does. Of course, people who are not concerned about food energy, would dismiss such a "crazy notion". Therefore, it's usually wise to observe the person's reference point when listening to his recommendations. If one is a Chicken, one might not want the Fox's advice about constructing a safe hen house.

We probably all agree that one is not going to turn green & drop dead from eating micro waved food. However, I don't believe that there is enough long-term research to definitely say "yeah" or "nay" about the effects. Some other questions that might arise: Perhaps the harmful effects don't show up until the 2nd generation, perhaps the effects are more emotional/attitude rather than physical, or perhaps the food doesn't provide as much "strength", or perhaps we'll eventually discover that there are no harmful effects.

Guess another question might be: Since it may be years before mainstream science discovers/admits the effects of microwaved foods, why not just avoid using them? I grew up without a microwave oven, and in 1995, gave away the only one that I've ever owned. Not having a microwave has never been a hardship.

Although I don't own a microwave, and I don't use my mother's when I'm visiting her, I don't get upset if I discover that a restaurant has heated food in one.

Wishing everyone a great weekend.

Dottie

Microwaves

Dear Forums,

I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the experiment or the conclusions in this paper but they are interesting.

http://matriellez.net/microwave.pdf

Hope you are keeping well,

All the Best

Bill Z

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April 19, 2008

Hi,

The group may find this interesting regarding microwave tissue damage.

I am quoting from, "Sclerology, An Ancient Art" by Leonard Mehlmauer, ND. This comes from my study of the sclera, and in this book is a description of the tissue damage done by various forms of irradiation including microwaves and microwaving all the way to x-radiation and cobalt radiation. The whites of the eye carry markers for this tissue or organ damage.

The quote is from pate 135.

"Signs of irradiation may be showing anything from mild (but somehow significant to the body) solar and cosmic ray exposure, to household microwave exposure (eating nuked food) or standing near the appliance), to commercial nuclear-waste food irradiation exposure (through eating irradiated food), to extreme tissue damaging medical cobalt exposure. The intensity of the lines and background signs associated signs, tell the tale. One also looks for signs of infection (which means parasites) Look for tissue destruction. Ask about symptoms where irradiation markers in the eye are found. In the picture tissue damage is illustrated due to excessive intake of irradiated food, whether the irradiation was from the nuclear waste exposure process or from microwave ovens. The subject uses microwaves a lot. Her marker lies in the spleen area."

When in doubt, take the easy way out, don't use microwave ovens.

Thanks Dottie for your comments.

Take care,

On Sat Apr 19 14:47 , 'Dottie Roseboom' sent:

Hmmm, is micro waved food "safe" to eat? Interesting question with lots of side issues. One question that I've never seen scientifically addressed is" "Does microwaving change food energy". From my own intuition I believe that it does. Of course, people who are not concerned about food energy, would dismiss such a "crazy notion". Therefore, it's usually wise to observe the person's reference point when listening to his recommendations. If one is a Chicken, one might not want the Fox's advice about constructing a safe hen house.

We probably all agree that one is not going to turn green & drop dead from eating micro waved food. However, I don't believe that there is enough long-term research to definitely say "yeah" or "nay" about the effects. Some other questions that might arise: Perhaps the harmful effects don't show up until the 2nd generation, perhaps the effects are more emotional/attitude rather than physical, or perhaps the food doesn't provide as much "strength", or perhaps we'll eventually discover that there are no harmful effects.

Guess another question might be: Since it may be years before mainstream science discovers/admits the effects of microwaved foods, why not just avoid using them? I grew up without a microwave oven, and in 1995, gave away the only one that I've ever owned. Not having a microwave has never been a hardship.

Although I don't own a microwave, and I don't use my mother's when I'm visiting her, I don't get upset if I discover that a restaurant has heated food in one.

Wishing everyone a great weekend.

Dottie

Microwaves

Dear Forums,

I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the experiment or the conclusions in this paper but they are interesting.

http://matriellez.net/microwave.pdf

Hope you are keeping well,

All the Best

Bill Z

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April 19, 2008

Just wanted to say that my oldest just did a science experiment on

microwaved water and fertilizer (fish immulsion) and their effect on

vegetable plants (swiss chard). It was interesting, though I expected the

results he obtained. I was bummed they weren't more dramatic, but there

were factors we didn't account for a head of time. Since we purchased the

swiss chard at a nursery, we determined that the plant was pumped so full of

fertilizer in the soil, that the microwaved water & fertilizer was still

enabling those high powered soil additives to dispurse and nourish the

plant.

Both plants were accidently left out in a rain, also.

The differences over the course of a month...

Their was a 2 " growth difference between the two (microwaved having less

growth)

The microwave plant would wilt much earlier and not recover

the spring water plant was much fuller with more new growth

I have photos if anyone is interested. We were going to continue the

experiment but got busy and let it slide. I would love to have recorded the

long term effects and taste.

We haven't used a microwave in over a decade. Sometimes my son gripes about

it because he would like to just reheat something in a few seconds instead

of planning ahead to use the oven or stove. Seeing the results of the

denatured water first hand, even when fertilizers were present, was

eye-opening for him.

xoxo...

April 19, 2008

>Sometimes my son gripes about

> it because he would like to just reheat something in a few seconds instead

> of planning ahead to use the oven or stove. Seeing the results of the

> denatured water first hand, even when fertilizers were present, was

> eye-opening for him.

This is an interesting experiment , thanks for sharing. However, if

your son would include the third plant in his experiment, which would be

watered with stove top boiled water, he would discover that it would develop

at about the same rate as the plant watered with microwaved water. Neither

micro nor stove top boiled water kills plants, but plants do seem to prefer

raw water. I've played with this quite a bit as a school aged kid. The

posted hoax is also at least 25 years old and during the time I was a child

it had been widely known, and I, as well as many of my peers, played

experimenting with it.

Olga

Re: Re: Microwaves

> Just wanted to say that my oldest just did a science experiment on

> microwaved water and fertilizer (fish immulsion) and their effect on

> vegetable plants (swiss chard). It was interesting, though I expected the

> results he obtained. I was bummed they weren't more dramatic, but there

> were factors we didn't account for a head of time. Since we purchased the

> swiss chard at a nursery, we determined that the plant was pumped so full

> of

> fertilizer in the soil, that the microwaved water & fertilizer was still

> enabling those high powered soil additives to dispurse and nourish the

> plant.

>

> Both plants were accidently left out in a rain, also.

>

> The differences over the course of a month...

>

> Their was a 2 " growth difference between the two (microwaved having less

> growth)

> The microwave plant would wilt much earlier and not recover

> the spring water plant was much fuller with more new growth

>

> I have photos if anyone is interested. We were going to continue the

> experiment but got busy and let it slide. I would love to have recorded

> the

> long term effects and taste.

>

> We haven't used a microwave in over a decade. Sometimes my son gripes

> about

> it because he would like to just reheat something in a few seconds instead

> of planning ahead to use the oven or stove. Seeing the results of the

> denatured water first hand, even when fertilizers were present, was

> eye-opening for him.

>

> xoxo...

>

> ------------------------------------

>

April 20, 2008

Bill, Your postings also make me very glad that I gave up my heating pad!!! Best, HediBillZ <billz@...> wrote: In truth responses to the post indicate that many people in this forum are sufficiently satisfied of the dangers of microwaves that they do not use them.

With microwaves we get faster food but at what price? What will happen when nanotechnology pervades our daily lives? .

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April 20, 2008

Bill, Your postings also make me very glad that I gave up my heating pad!!! Best, HediBillZ <billz@...> wrote: In truth responses to the post indicate that many people in this forum are sufficiently satisfied of the dangers of microwaves that they do not use them.

With microwaves we get faster food but at what price? What will happen when nanotechnology pervades our daily lives? .

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April 20, 2008

-cool! I am glad to hear it coming from you.

How are you guys?

Finn's bday right around the corner nearly again, scary isn't it? I keep

thinking wow the

time is whizzing by! Soon we'll be chatting about our girls getting married.

LOL

xo

R

-- In , " wendylouwho " <WSEIGMAN@...> wrote:

>

> Just wanted to say that my oldest just did a science experiment on

> microwaved water and fertilizer (fish immulsion) and their effect on

> vegetable plants (swiss chard). It was interesting, though I expected the

> results he obtained. I was bummed they weren't more dramatic, but there

> were factors we didn't account for a head of time. Since we purchased the

> swiss chard at a nursery, we determined that the plant was pumped so full of

> fertilizer in the soil, that the microwaved water & fertilizer was still

> enabling those high powered soil additives to dispurse and nourish the

> plant.

>

> Both plants were accidently left out in a rain, also.

>

> The differences over the course of a month...

>

> Their was a 2 " growth difference between the two (microwaved having less

> growth)

> The microwave plant would wilt much earlier and not recover

> the spring water plant was much fuller with more new growth

>

> I have photos if anyone is interested. We were going to continue the

> experiment but got busy and let it slide. I would love to have recorded the

> long term effects and taste.

>

> We haven't used a microwave in over a decade. Sometimes my son gripes about

> it because he would like to just reheat something in a few seconds instead

> of planning ahead to use the oven or stove. Seeing the results of the

> denatured water first hand, even when fertilizers were present, was

> eye-opening for him.

>

> xoxo...

>

April 20, 2008