Questions

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In a message dated 8/12/01 7:45:51 PM, bradfra@... writes:

<< Tony, you bring up valid points in defense of and Cara,

however, personally attacking PEOPLE (e.g. Fred, , etc.) is

COMPLETELY out of line! I would expect much more professionalism

from someone who holds public office and from a former executive

board member. You will be much more successful and credible if you

limit your issues to PROBLEMS, not personalities. >>

I never personally attacked anyone on this topic, however, politicians are

only human:)

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In a message dated 8/12/01 4:58:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

tonysoares551@... writes:

<< I never personally attacked anyone on this topic, however, politicians

are

only human:)

>>

You haven't?

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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't have put it better myself.

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List,

Carten Writes:

> Enough is enough!!! Must we drag this topic up year after year? As

I learned during my first term as President, there is not way we are

ever going to please every member. You must be satisfied with doing

what is best for the whole organization.

Thank you, . Add to this, we are a much larger and more diverse

organization that we were a decade ago - and this means more opinions

and, subsequently, more disagreements.

> I'm tired of reading messages, from first time joiners to this

service, who are wondering just what they have gotten involved in? Is

this the first impression we want potential members to have of LPA? I

THINK NOT!

As an LPA member for over 35 years - there are times when I wonder

what I'm involved in. First timers come for support and information -

let's stop bitching and give it to them!

Since everyone is getting tired of all these arguments, I will

comment one time and then I'll shut up.

1. Newsletter:

Excellent comments from all.

Irwin, you're right - something is better than nothing in this case.

Marge, you also pose a good question - what do the people really want

and how to we go about getting that information? Also, if we want

more, how do we acquire the resources?

and Cara, thanks for doing a fine job - people will complain

when things have changed - no matter what the change is. Also, you

are right in the newsletter answers to the BOD, not this listserve.

I am sure when you have a definitive direction and the appropriate

resources - some of these issues will subside.

Tony, you bring up valid points in defense of and Cara,

however, personally attacking PEOPLE (e.g. Fred, , etc.) is

COMPLETELY out of line! I would expect much more professionalism

from someone who holds public office and from a former executive

board member. You will be much more successful and credible if you

limit your issues to PROBLEMS, not personalities.

Rest of the world - Stop comparing LPA Today with other

publications. You're comparing apples to oranges.

2. Bylaws:

As far as I can see, the membership still does not have access to the

current bylaws - athough I appreciate Danny Black's efforts to put a

copy online. Do we know if this is current yet? Does anyone know

the outcome of the Bylaw Change decisions made in Toronto? Some of

us had to work that week and couldn't make it.

3. Dues:

Excellent information by and . I would like to see some

sort of regular annual report as well - acknowledging that it does

take time and resources to produce it.

4. Summary:

We seem to argue sometimes on items of speculation rather than basis

of fact. For example, last year we were unable to determine if there

were term limits for the national president - this stirred up the

latest bylaw dispute. If we had had that information, much of the

bickering would have not taken place.

We need to find someway of getting accurate information to the

membership so that they can discuss it, make the changes, and move

LPA forward. We've expended a lot of energy arguing. It's time for

that to stop.

By the way, my new address - effective 1 September is as follows:

Randy Bradford

1839 Melody Lane #2

Port Angeles, WA 98362

No phone yet.

Take care,

Randy Bradford

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tonysoares551@... wrote:

> I never personally attacked anyone on this topic, however, politicians are

> only human:)

>

No, you petty much attacked everyone on this list, with comments such as:

" , let me ask you this? Have you gone to design school? Majored in

Journalism? Published a national publication? Written for the media?

Look Why not leave LPA Today to the professionals that are running it? "

Condescending and patronizing comments like this are an insult to the voluntary

membership of LPA from whom dues

are collected to publish LPA Today, therefore giving them the right (in addition

to those already established by a

document called the Constitution of the United States of America) to criticize

the aforementioned newsletter.

Or, to put it simply, as my grandpa once said: " I'm not a carpenter, but I know

a crappy chair when I sit in one. "

Also, , you need to dust off your AP Libel Manual and reread the section

on copyright violation. Links to,

quotes from and summaries of printed material (digital or otherwise) does not

constitute copyright infringement

under the provisions of " fair use. " Especially when it comes to newsletters of

not-for-profit organizations.

Now, to the publishers of LPA Today: I think you are doing a fine job, and I

wouldn't personally have taken those

comments by to be a slam on the newsletter. I happen to publish the

District 11 newsletter, and although its

on a much smaller scale, I understand what a pain in the ass it can be.

-Bill Bradford

p.s. And lest think I'm un-qualified to comment, I did major in

journalism in college, am the former

editor of a 20,000 circulation daily newspaper, worked as an advertising,

technical, and marketing writer for

several Fortune 500 companies, and been published in a national publication.

Not to mention that I'm one " damn

fine individual. " ;-)

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Wouldn't it be nice if all the new critics of the new LPA Today spent their

time writing articles for . Rather than worrying about my defense of

Cara and .

As far as my " professionals.. " references. Randy, Professionalism should not

be avoided just because we are a non-profit.

My point all along has been that Cara, and a whole host of other

volunteers are infact professionals in publishing, P.R. (Public Relations)

and Media Relations.

We (LPA) should be thrilled.

Why wasn't 's original message a personal attack?

Why wasn't Fred Short's referring to the LPA 's New Newsletter as a

" Pamphelet " an attack?

I think my defense of volunteers is really the unpinning of all my recent

messages on this topic.

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Dear Mr Bradford and readers,

Since you have stated that you will comment once and then shutup, I have no

fear of your rebuttal....hahahaha

Your comment for the rest of world to stop comparing LPA Today with other

publications as it is like comparing apples to oranges....well, sir...LPNZ's

apples must be mighty sweet, 'cause since this debate started I have had two

requests from LPA members to join LPNZ just so they could get our

newsletter.

Perhaps its more like sour grapes than apples and oranges! Must be hard to

swallow that maybe, just maybe we may have a very good recipe for producing

a decent publication at very little cost to our organization and that we

meet the needs of 99% of all our members and we don't have a journalist in

sight.

Please do not dismiss me just because I'm down under and you're up there. We

may be small (New Zealand, that is) but we are very devoted to the quality

of our newsletter.

Take care,

Katy Sinclair, Liaison Officer

Little People of New Zealand

katy.sinclair@...

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Fair enough.

Randy______

> Dear Mr Bradford and readers,

>

> Since you have stated that you will comment once and then shutup, I

have no

> fear of your rebuttal....hahahaha

>

> Your comment for the rest of world to stop comparing LPA Today with

other

> publications as it is like comparing apples to oranges....well,

sir...LPNZ's

> apples must be mighty sweet, 'cause since this debate started I

have had two

> requests from LPA members to join LPNZ just so they could get our

> newsletter.

>

> Perhaps its more like sour grapes than apples and oranges! Must be

hard to

> swallow that maybe, just maybe we may have a very good recipe for

producing

> a decent publication at very little cost to our organization and

that we

> meet the needs of 99% of all our members and we don't have a

journalist in

> sight.

>

> Please do not dismiss me just because I'm down under and you're up

there. We

> may be small (New Zealand, that is) but we are very devoted to the

quality

> of our newsletter.

>

> Take care,

> Katy Sinclair, Liaison Officer

> Little People of New Zealand

> katy.sinclair@c...

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From: " Katy Sinclair " <katy.sinclair@...>

> Dear Mr Bradford and readers,

>

> Since you have stated that you will comment once and then shutup, I have

no

> fear of your rebuttal....hahahaha

Darling, anyone who DARES to even THINK about inflicting a rebuttal on you,

must be suicidal!

Or is it co-incidental that the only people who can read " SHE WHO MUST BE

OBEYED " on your T-shirt at such an acute angle of elevation, are the Average

sized, tall enough to do so?

>and that we meet the needs of 99% of all our members

Sooooooo you admit, you do NOT cater for the 'small minority'????????

Strange admission for someone purporting to represent the LP

community:-))))))))) Ouch! Stop it! I'm joking:-)))))

> Please do not dismiss me just because I'm down under and you're up there.

>There you go again, casting aspersions upon us poor, inflicted, disabled,

defenceless, little people! Shame on yer woman:-}----- Er, hang on, YOU

down under, HIM up there? Something wrong here:-)))))

> Take care,

Ooooooh, wise words from a woman for whom hell hath no fear:-))))))))) They

don't call yer the " LPNZ Dragon " for nothun!

Katy, I loves yer, HONEST:-)))))))))

ANNONYMOUSE!

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Katy and List:

> Since you have stated that you will comment once and then shutup, I

have no fear of your rebuttal....hahahaha

Wrong! You people know me better than that!

> Your comment for the rest of world to stop comparing LPA Today with

other publications as it is like comparing apples to oranges....well,

sir...LPNZ's apples must be mighty sweet, 'cause since this debate

started I have had two requests from LPA members to join LPNZ just so

they could get our newsletter.

Maybe I should have used KIWI's and Watermelons? (Er - bad

comparison, huh, Fred.). (By the way, I have no basis on which to

refute your point - score one for Katy)

> Perhaps its more like sour grapes than apples and oranges! Must be

hard to swallow that maybe, just maybe we may have a very good recipe

for producing a decent publication at very little cost to our

organization and that we meet the needs of 99% of all our members and

we don't have a journalist in sight.

Ouch! (Rubbing the sting from my face). Again, I have no reply

except, perhaps your staff might be willing to tell us how they do

this and what organizational circumstances permit this? (Score two

for Katy)

> Please do not dismiss me just because I'm down under and you're up

there.

As Fred eluded, that may not be possible.

>We may be small (New Zealand, that is) but we are very devoted to

the quality of our newsletter.

As well as to your organization... (Someday I'd like to visit. My

parents say it's a beautiful country and you have great beer.)

Allow me to clarify my point:

If members of the listserve and LPA have issues with the newsletter -

then let's identify them and fix them - bearing in mind that not

everyone will be pleased. What I am taking issue with is the

personal insults back and forth to individuals about this subject.

(Although, why should I be surprised - this has gone on in LPA for

years.) This is not a constructive way to get to the bottom of the

issue. If other organizations can produce a quality publication

within their budget and resource constraints - why can't we learn

from them? Or... would they be willing to share?

Tony, maybe I was unfair to single you out - you are correct,

others " crossed the line " as well. However, my point still stands.

In conclusion - if we want the rest of the world (e.g. non-LP) to

view us as professionals and credible human beings, would it not be

in our best interest to start acting that way?

Regards,

Randy Bradford

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I've seen a few copies of the newsletter (I'm note a member so don't see

copies often) and think it could be bigger too. I also remember that the

LPA does work a lot of great work behind the scenes.

When I come home after a tough day at work I kick off my shoes, kiss and

hug my wife, rub my cat's belly and relax. The people at LPA are

volunteers. They have another job to do when they get home simply

because they want to do more for their community. I think these people

who take so much on with so little thanks are a bit on the nutty side

but I think it's really cool they're out there doing it.

Marty

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> In specific regard to the deliberate decision of withholding

>relevant human interest stories, we are social animals by nature,

>needing other little people to make meaning out of life. As our

>lives and LPA Today becomes ever more fragmented, the need for

>community (in my opinion) takes on new urgency.

I do say a hearty 'BRAVO' to that!

>

> Based on my understanding the Editor of LPA Today is directly

>appointed by the members of the Executive Committee. Thank you for

>dismissing my concerns, rendering the Executive Committee totally

>unapproachable, while putting genuinely concerned LPA members

>(domestic & international) in our " highly respected " places.

>

> To quote a friend, " I'm sorry for caring, it's easier when no one does. "

The people of this listsev do represent a population within LPA and

deserve to be heard. I sometimes think our " voice " is too loud

because we are always there ... if you know what I mean. I

personally feel that you bring up some very valid points and should

be validated.

But then again, I can be known as a rabble rouser myself!

Gin

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This is a Day of New Beginnings!

Ginny Sargent

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ICQ#15679307

Artist-Designer

Sand Dollar Bay Designs

Live one day at a time and make it a masterpiece!

" Art is a collaboration between God and the artist, and the less the

artist does the better. " Andre Gide

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In this case (at least with the on line fodder) a visual breakdown of

'where does your dollar go' would be very well suited to the web site

as a graphic. Then if anyone ask they can just click on a link.

Problems arise when a relatively " simple " (and it should be simple,

if not just for our tax exemption reasons) question of where our

money goes becomes complicated and folks become defensive (not you

). If the breakdown were very public, than some of these

conversations would be tempered a bit.

Gin

>Fellow LP's,

>Enough is enough!!! Must we drag this topic up year after year? As I learned

>during my first term as President, there is not way we are ever going to

>please every member. You must be satisfied with doing what is best for the

>whole organization. It appears the majority of the membership is satisfied

>with what their dues are being used for. Let's give this a rest or bury it

>once and for all!! Unless you are ready to step in and take over or service

>as a contributing editor?

>

>I'm tired of reading messages, from first time joiners to this service, who

>are wondering just what they have gotten involved in? Is this the first

>impression we want potential members to have of LPA? I THINK NOT!

>

>By the way, anyone wishing to learn just how their dues are spent by the LPA

>execs. can request a copy of the working budget(director/exec). I believe at

>one time it was to be published in the LPA Today.

>

> C.

>

>

>

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>BIG OL' CLIP.........

>In specific regard to the deliberate decision of withholding

>relevant human interest stories, we are social animals by nature,

>needing other little people to make meaning out of life. As our

>lives and LPA Today becomes ever more fragmented, the need for

>community (in my opinion) takes on new urgency.

>

>Based on my understanding the Editor of LPA Today is directly

>appointed by the members of the Executive Committee. Thank you for

>dismissing my concerns, rendering the Executive Committee totally

>unapproachable, while putting genuinely concerned LPA members

>(domestic & international) in our " highly respected " places.

>

>To quote a friend, " I'm sorry for caring, it's easier when no one does. "

>

>Bill, & Kids Aucott@...

>

>From: Cara Egan <egan921@e...> Date: Fri Aug 10, 2001 9:27 pm

>Subject: Re: Questions

>

>,

>, I've just about had it with reading your " nitpicking " of the

>newsletter. As a career designer, art director and advertising

>professional. I have to say that this design(Irene's) is far better

>and more contemporary than anything LPA ever had in it's history.

>Infact I showed both old and new to other professionals in my field

>and they agreed that the new design was far and away more " with it " .

>Irene attended Art Center in Pasadena, one of the top art and design

>schools in the world. LPA members should be thrilled. As an artist I

>can agree that maybe LPA has deviated a bit from Irene's design, and

>I commend Irene for sticking pure to her initial concept.

I may be mistaken, but thought might have been questioning

content, which then brought up budget and lack of figure information.

Style and design sometimes forgoes content too..... The design is

nice, so isn't the style. But it could be a bit " meatier " .

>As an analogy let me point out the National Vietnam Memorial in DC.

>When it was first designed by a young artist, many old school

>politicos were outraged! " A memorial without a sculpture of a

>soldier? No wounded marines cast in bronze, no classic white male

>hero carrying our flag? NO. What was there was a new monument that

>has everyUS citizen who lost or MIA in Vietnam. Along a black

>monolith, that people visit from around the world, place flowers on,

>take " rubbings of the embossed names " and it is now one of the most

>visited national monuments in DC. The point is it was different,

>like our new newsletter. Different yes, better I'd say so. Just

>because you and a few others are not getting your way, you shouldn't

>be on the war path against this fine publication.

Different can mean better, but it doesn't always. This from a woman

who uses the mantra " change is good! " all the time.....

I beg to differ about 'getting her way'. Good points have been

brought up. Some have certainly ire some people, but that doesn't

mean that they are not legitimate points that should not be

considered and reviewed.

Every, and I mean every, publication needs to know their public. If

you see a percentage here that have some concerns about " content "

does not mean that an unilateral smashing of the publication is going

on. All publications should always be on the lookout and be open to

kudo's but also criticisms. It's part of the job as an editor....I

know =-( You cannot please everyone, but everyone has a right to an

opinion, a thought and even a gripe.

>

>, let me ask you this? Have you gone to design school? Majored

>in Journalism? Published a national publication? Written for the

>media?

As a paying member she does has the right to ask and question and

expect answers. This is an irrelevant comment to some of the

questions that I have been seeing here.

>Look Why not leave LPA Today to the professionals that are running

>it? Then once they are burned out after years of volunteerism, you

>can take over.

>However, I have received your chapter newsletter, and to me it's

>most substantive content is plagiarized from pre published articles.

tisk, tisk (shaking my finger.... play nice!)

>

>That's fine on a chapter level. Not on a National level when we are

>on the verge of an aggressive fundraising and membership drive.

A fundraising and membership drive is wonderful. We need superior

product, and superior attitudes. If someone cannot tell me what

portion of my dollars go to publications in this organization than I

wonder if money is well spent.... Now, that being said... it might be

going wonderfully but who knows?

Off my little soap box, where I am stomping my little feet.

Gin

/ Ginny

mailto:chriss@...

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I suggest join to the list in the page http://pagina.de/achalasia to help to people in spanish too ( some of them don´t speak english ).

Can we inform doctors interested help achalasia people in spanish ??.

Thanks in advance

Questions

To -- Same question to you as in my previous posting: Have you lost esophageal peristalsis? Have you had a manometry test? You state you do "feel" food passing the esophagus and LES. Is this feeling one of pain, pressure, or ???? I have thought probably the reason I no longer have spasms in the esophagus is because it is essentially dead if there is no nerve stimulated muscle activity (peristalsis). My husband and I are still considering Dr. Stiennon's position and certainly agree with him that if possible the CAUSE should be corrected and not just treat the symptoms especially since surgery is such a serious step and either botox or dilatation compromise (been told by several doctors)later surgery. Thanks,Flora Alyce, Texas

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Flora,

I think that you are in a very lucky position right

now, being able to ponder options before taking that

step (myotomy). My achalasia progressed so quickly

that I didn't really have time to try to many

different things. I belive I was dilated twice, both

times didn't do anything for me at all. My doctor

wanted to skip the botox, because of my age, I was 22

at the time, (26 now) and said it was just temporary

and each time was less effective. I love " listening "

to the questions, and the one you are asking is

certainly a good one. Because I have the spasms, I am

interested in hearing an answer for this one!!

Keep researching and please keep posting! This group

has come a long way! I feel in some strange way that

you are all part of my family!! Hope you all have a

good day :-)

--- genehsa@... wrote:

> To --

> Same question to you as in my previous posting:

> Have you lost

> esophageal peristalsis? Have you had a manometry

> test? You state

> you do " feel " food passing the esophagus and LES.

> Is this feeling

> one of pain, pressure, or ???? I have thought

> probably the reason I

> no longer have spasms in the esophagus is because it

> is essentially

> dead if there is no nerve stimulated muscle activity

> (peristalsis).

> My husband and I are still considering Dr.

> Stiennon's position

> and certainly agree with him that if possible the

> CAUSE should be

> corrected and not just treat the symptoms especially

> since surgery is

> such a serious step and either botox or dilatation

> compromise (been

> told by several doctors)later surgery.

> Thanks,

> Flora Alyce, Texas

>

>

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> Flora-

I have had little or no esophageal peristalsis since the onset of my

achalasia symptoms in 1996. I haven't had much lab work done since a

dilatation in fall of 1997, but I did continue to have spasms

sporadically until sometime in 1999. The spasms come less frequently

all the time now, probably no more than once a month and usually

short duration now. I also assume this means the esophagus has

pretty much given up, assuming that the spasms are spastic

contractions of an esophagus no longer able to manage organized

peristalsis. Most of the time now the feeling of food passing

through the esophagus is just a mild pressure. Occasionally when a

large volume of food and or liquid gets hung up at the LES there is a

fairly sharp pain, but in my case this is almost always followed

within a few minutes by an opening of the LES (due to hydrostatic

pressure and strategic swallowing) and immense relief, or a

regurgitation of most of the esophageal contents and some smaller

measure of relief.

The problem with Dr. Stiennon's theory (as this not very knowledgable

layman sees it) is that no surgeon I have heard about is willing to

deviate from standard practice and deliberately schedule this type of

procedure. At least for the next few years, we will probably only

hear about cases where a myotomy or other GI surgery was scheduled

and finding something like Dr. Stiennon describes, the surgeon

performed a correction. And if he is right about the best time to

do this surgery being the earliest stages of achalasia, how many

people will elect to have major surgery before their sypmtoms have

become debilitating, even if the theory gains some measure of

acceptance in the medical community? My attitude is that it's

probably too late to help me, although I sure would like to know

what's really going on. Right now, I have been stable for quite some

time and managing fairly well, so I'm not planning any procedures,

scheduling any medical visits or taking any medications.

To --

> Same question to you as in my previous posting: Have you lost

> esophageal peristalsis? Have you had a manometry test? You state

> you do " feel " food passing the esophagus and LES. Is this feeling

> one of pain, pressure, or ???? I have thought probably the reason

I

> no longer have spasms in the esophagus is because it is essentially

> dead if there is no nerve stimulated muscle activity

(peristalsis).

> My husband and I are still considering Dr. Stiennon's position

> and certainly agree with him that if possible the CAUSE should be

> corrected and not just treat the symptoms especially since surgery

is

> such a serious step and either botox or dilatation compromise (been

> told by several doctors)later surgery.

> Thanks,

> Flora Alyce, Texas

[Guest guest]

be sure and drink your milk everyday and take your vaccinations

Be especially sure and get your flu vaccine also......

Dr H Duffy Sr

Geneva, Ohio

In October of 1996, Scientific

American recognized that milk

proteins play a role in diabetes.

They wrote:

" The National Dairy Board's Slogan,

'Milk. It does a body good,' sounds

a little hollow these days. "

Do you have a friend or relative with

diabetes? If you're not fond of

that person, send them to KRAFT

for fondue recipes. If you love them,

print and share the references at the

end of this column.

KRAFT'S NEW PRESS RELEASE:

http://biz./prnews/011029/nym105_1.html

Kraft's new gift to diabetics is

a meal planner. According to Kraft:

" Registered dietitians and culinary

experts from Kraft Kitchens consulted

with diabetes health professionals

and educators in developing the meal

planner. "

Kraft's dietician, Donkersloot, says:

" People with diabetes have access to

many food choices so selecting meals

can sometimes be difficult. "

Donkersloot?

I've been to Sweden, and speak a bit of

the language. Donker translates as

" she does not have. " Sloot is the

Swedish word for pancreas.

How appropriate.

Milk proteins destroy the insulin-producing

beta cells of the pancreas.

Here are scientific studies that

Donkersloot was not taught

in nutrition class:

" Patients with insulin-dependent diabetes

mellitus produce antibodies to cow milk

proteins that participate in the

development of islet dysfunction...

Taken as a whole, our findings suggest

that an active response in patients with

IDDM (to the bovine protein) is a feature

of the autoimmune response. "

New England Journal of Medicine, July 30, 1992

______________________________________________

" In lieu of the recent evidence that cow's

milk protein may be implicated in the

pathogenesis of diabetes mellitus, we

believe that the Committee on Nutrition

should clarify whether cow's milk is ever

appropriate for children and whether or

not infant formulas that are based on

cow's milk protein are appropriate

alternatives to breast milk. "

Pediatrics, July, 1992: 89

______________________________________________

" Antibodies to bovine beta-casein are

present in over a third of IDDM patients

and relatively non-existent in healthy

individuals. "

LANCET, October, 1996, 348

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" Cow's milk proteins are unique in one respect:

in industrialized countries they are the first

foreign proteins entering the infant gut,

since most formulations for babies are cow

milk-based. The first pilot stage of our

IDD prevention study found that oral

exposure to dairy milk proteins in infancy

resulted in both cellular and immune response...

this suggests the possible importance of the

gut immune system to the pathogenesis of IDD. "

LANCET, Dec 14, 1996

______________________________________________

" Introduction of dairy products and high

milk consumption during childhood may

increase the child's risk of developing

juvenile diabetes. "

Diabetologia 1994;37(4):381-387

____________________________________________

" These new studies, and more than 20

well-documented previous ones, have

prompted one researcher to say the

link between milk and juvenile diabetes

is 'very solid'. "

Diabetes Care 1994;17(12)

compliments of robert cohen of the notmilk.com website

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Re: Questions

1. fifty years ago.......

Casein was still Casein and even Dr Spock said don't give milk to kids, his

book is second only to the Bible in nonfiction sales. (first in baloney...

grin)

2. diabetes rate was low

so was the sale of soda pop to kids.....

3.Is it possible that some of the issues with milk today are the result of

how the milk is produced?

Yup, makes it just that much worse for consumption. Especially taking the

fat out of it (which is the only good thing in it.)

4. Even the homogenization process changes its digestibility. What factor

does that play?

Adds to its already deadly effect.

5. Milk has been consumed by huge numbers of people around the Western world

for centuries—and still is.

That's true.

6. In countries where they don’t process it as much, and where they don’t

over-sugar their youth, are the statistics still the same?

Nope, just doesn't kill as many as homogenized milk does. In Asia where they

drink almost no milk the bone fracture rate is the lowest, In the

Scandinavian countries where they drink high levels the fracture rate is

highest...........

be sure and drink your milk everyday and take your vaccinations

Be especially sure and get your flu vaccine also......

Dr H Duffy Sr

Geneva, Ohio

In October of 1996, Scientific

American recognized that milk

proteins play a role in diabetes.

They wrote:

" The National Dairy Board's Slogan,

'Milk. It does a body good,' sounds

a little hollow these days. "

Do you have a friend or relative with

diabetes? If you're not fond of

that person, send them to KRAFT

for fondue recipes. If you love them,

print and share the references at the

end of this column.

KRAFT'S NEW PRESS RELEASE:

http://biz./prnews/011029/nym105_1.html

Kraft's new gift to diabetics is

a meal planner. According to Kraft:

" Registered dietitians and culinary

experts from Kraft Kitchens consulted

with diabetes health professionals

and educators in developing the meal

planner. "

Kraft's dietician, Donkersloot, says:

" People with diabetes have access to

many food choices so selecting meals

can sometimes be difficult. "

Donkersloot?

I've been to Sweden, and speak a bit of

the language. Donker translates as

" she does not have. " Sloot is the

Swedish word for pancreas.

How appropriate.

Milk proteins destroy the insulin-producing

beta cells of the pancreas.

Here are scientific studies that

Donkersloot was not taught

in nutrition class:

" Patients with insulin-dependent diabetes

mellitus produce antibodies to cow milk

proteins that participate in the

development of islet dysfunction...

Taken as a whole, our findings suggest

that an active response in patients with

IDDM (to the bovine protein) is a feature

of the autoimmune response. "

New England Journal of Medicine, July 30, 1992

______________________________________________

" In lieu of the recent evidence that cow's

milk protein may be implicated in the

pathogenesis of diabetes mellitus, we

believe that the Committee on Nutrition

should clarify whether cow's milk is ever

appropriate for children and whether or

not infant formulas that are based on

cow's milk protein are appropriate

alternatives to breast milk. "

Pediatrics, July, 1992: 89

______________________________________________

" Antibodies to bovine beta-casein are

present in over a third of IDDM patients

and relatively non-existent in healthy

individuals. "

LANCET, October, 1996, 348

______________________________________________

" Cow's milk proteins are unique in one respect:

in industrialized countries they are the first

foreign proteins entering the infant gut,

since most formulations for babies are cow

milk-based. The first pilot stage of our

IDD prevention study found that oral

exposure to dairy milk proteins in infancy

resulted in both cellular and immune response...

this suggests the possible importance of the

gut immune system to the pathogenesis of IDD. "

LANCET, Dec 14, 1996

______________________________________________

" Introduction of dairy products and high

milk consumption during childhood may

increase the child's risk of developing

juvenile diabetes. "

Diabetologia 1994;37(4):381-387

____________________________________________

" These new studies, and more than 20

well-documented previous ones, have

prompted one researcher to say the

link between milk and juvenile diabetes

is 'very solid'. "

Diabetes Care 1994;17(12)

compliments of robert cohen of the notmilk.com website

[Guest guest]

RE: Questions

Actually, I believe 50 years ago, a large proportion drank cow's milk

straight from the cow. I did 30+ years ago. Sweets were a rare treat, we

ate meat and veggies. Mom cooked every night and the only time we pigged on

treats was on Halloween. We ate hot dogs once a week on our Saturday treat

night and our treat was home popped popcorn. DIabetes increased with the

increase in the poor diet we all follow and the increase in vaccinations.

Sherri

[Guest guest]

be sure and drink your milk everyday and take your vaccinations

Be especially sure and get your flu vaccine also......

Dr H Duffy Sr

Geneva, Ohio

In October of 1996, Scientific

American recognized that milk

proteins play a role in diabetes.

They wrote:

" The National Dairy Board's Slogan,

'Milk. It does a body good,' sounds

a little hollow these days. "

Do you have a friend or relative with

diabetes? If you're not fond of

that person, send them to KRAFT

for fondue recipes. If you love them,

print and share the references at the

end of this column.

KRAFT'S NEW PRESS RELEASE:

http://biz./prnews/011029/nym105_1.html

Kraft's new gift to diabetics is

a meal planner. According to Kraft:

" Registered dietitians and culinary

experts from Kraft Kitchens consulted

with diabetes health professionals

and educators in developing the meal

planner. "

Kraft's dietician, Donkersloot, says:

" People with diabetes have access to

many food choices so selecting meals

can sometimes be difficult. "

Donkersloot?

I've been to Sweden, and speak a bit of

the language. Donker translates as

" she does not have. " Sloot is the

Swedish word for pancreas.

How appropriate.

Milk proteins destroy the insulin-producing

beta cells of the pancreas.

Here are scientific studies that

Donkersloot was not taught

in nutrition class:

" Patients with insulin-dependent diabetes

mellitus produce antibodies to cow milk

proteins that participate in the

development of islet dysfunction...

Taken as a whole, our findings suggest

that an active response in patients with

IDDM (to the bovine protein) is a feature

of the autoimmune response. "

New England Journal of Medicine, July 30, 1992

______________________________________________

" In lieu of the recent evidence that cow's

milk protein may be implicated in the

pathogenesis of diabetes mellitus, we

believe that the Committee on Nutrition

should clarify whether cow's milk is ever

appropriate for children and whether or

not infant formulas that are based on

cow's milk protein are appropriate

alternatives to breast milk. "

Pediatrics, July, 1992: 89

______________________________________________

" Antibodies to bovine beta-casein are

present in over a third of IDDM patients

and relatively non-existent in healthy

individuals. "

LANCET, October, 1996, 348

______________________________________________

" Cow's milk proteins are unique in one respect:

in industrialized countries they are the first

foreign proteins entering the infant gut,

since most formulations for babies are cow

milk-based. The first pilot stage of our

IDD prevention study found that oral

exposure to dairy milk proteins in infancy

resulted in both cellular and immune response...

this suggests the possible importance of the

gut immune system to the pathogenesis of IDD. "

LANCET, Dec 14, 1996

______________________________________________

" Introduction of dairy products and high

milk consumption during childhood may

increase the child's risk of developing

juvenile diabetes. "

Diabetologia 1994;37(4):381-387

____________________________________________

" These new studies, and more than 20

well-documented previous ones, have

prompted one researcher to say the

link between milk and juvenile diabetes

is 'very solid'. "

Diabetes Care 1994;17(12)

compliments of robert cohen of the notmilk.com website

[Guest guest]

Please remember to SNIP ;-)

It could be a factor, but consistently what I see is vaccines! Viral

illnesses have been know to precede the development of diabetes. And viral

vaccines!

Sheri

At 05:17 PM 10/31/2001 -0900, you wrote:

> Questions

>

>

>I have a few questions about this science. First, fifty years ago (when I

>was but a slip of a thing), children drank mostly milk. The diabetes rate

>was low. But in those days, milk was not “ultra pasteurized” except in a few

>rare cases (read—“American” cheese). Secondly, children did not drink soda,

>juices or drinks with artificial sweeteners. In fact, drinking chocolate

>milk was a rarity. Is it possible that some of the issues with milk today

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[Guest guest]

At 02:19 PM 11/04/2001 -0600, you wrote:

>hi--thanks to all for the legal info and I have a few questions

>

>1. We will homeschool Philemon and I'm a sahm so do I need to have a legal

>document filed somewhere about the philosophical exemption?

No, I don't think so in Wisconsin - read the law that I sent - usualy it is

only related to school attendance (except Texas)

>

>2. if we had to go to the hospital for stitches or something do I reply

>honestly to the Is he current on his shots question

That's always an easier route to take.

>

>3. what is a naturopath compared to a homeopath?

A naturopath studies all sorts of things - regular medicine, midwifery,

acupucnture, herbs, homeopathy, chiropractic, osteopathy, nutrition and

more. A little about a lot of things. A homeopath only does homeopathy

and is an EXPERT in that (if they are on my l ists ;-). Homeopathy is a

complete system on its own. Go to be my webpages for an article I wrote

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

and lots of links there too.

>

>4. I know I should take the class but how does homeopathy work if the

>substances are so diluted that the original substance is no longer contained

>in it?

Take the class! THey work. I'll be offering it again in January probably.

There is no logical explanation - but they work.

200 year history

>

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/15/01 10:59:58 PM GTB Standard Time,

chapins61198@... writes:

<<

how do I respond to people about the flu shot- >>

Here is what I would say,and do say on the EC boards I am on(as most pregnant

women are getting this shot:

The flu vaccine contains mercury and aluminum.Both of those ingredients are

not very conducive to *good health*. The vaccine manufacturers merely takes a

guess at the current strains,and so you may risk the vaccine adverse reaction

and get a strain of flu virus not covered by the vaccine. I would rather take

homeopathics IF I get the flu,and will otherwise just eat healthy and boost

my immune system.

[Guest guest]

At 02:41 PM 11/15/2001 -0600, you wrote:

>hi a couple of questions

>

>how do I respond to people about the flu shot--I already forbid my husband

>from getting it but I need some good info for him and others who ask

>

>how do I study up on the small pox vac and disease with all the hype going

>on I need good info for the time when they encourage it. I want to be able

>to adequately explain to friends and loved ones about its dangers.

>

>thanks

>Malissa

>

Go to my website!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Especially for smallpox vax info.

And read everything else there - that is the only way you are going to

know. Then when you have finished with my webpages (and there are a lot,

you can follow the links and visit Sandy's webpages)

Not much on flu vax there though

I'll send you the package insert - that is enough to wake a bunch of people

up.

Flu vax decided in February by CDC - the pick out fo a hat the flu strains

in the Orient and predict that they might come to us the next winter - yeah

right. Then they grow them on eggs and then in sheep and then add mercury

25 mcg to the soup and inject it into you! Sound like wishful thinking?

Sheri

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@...

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PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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