Questions

March 15, 2004

Hello Torbjorn Lindblom,

you may have a look at:

http://www.hese-project.org/de/emf/News/index.php?lang=de

where you can find recent studies and reports.

Soon, the elektrosmognews.de will go online again and supply information.

There is also a list from dr. Warnke about 200 studies with biological

effects.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/

http://www.hese-project.org

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Questions

> Hello ,

>

> I´m quite new to this discussion group. (and already drowning in a flood

of

> email)

>

> I wonder if somebody has made a compilation of the methods to use when

> treating electric sensitivity (ES or EHS)?

>

> What happens in your body, in your cells, when you are sensitive to

electric

> and magnetic fields?

>

> Has anybody made a compilation of the litterature describing effects from

> electric and magnetic fields including micro waves from mobile phones and

> their base stations?

>

> I´m not ES myself but my wife is. I try to help people at FEB (electically

> injured peple in Sweden).

>

> Kind regards

> Torbjorn Lindblom

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Auktioner: Tjäna en hacka på gamla prylar http://tradera.msn.se

>

March 15, 2004

Hi Torbjorn,

you find information under: http://www.buergerwelle.de/body_science.html

and under http://www.buergerwelle.de/english_start.html

Best for you and all!

Klaus Rudolph

Citizens' Initiative Omega

Editorial department of Bürgerwelle Germany

Torbjörn Lindblom schrieb:

>Hello ,

>

>I´m quite new to this discussion group. (and already drowning in a flood of

>email)

>

>I wonder if somebody has made a compilation of the methods to use when

>treating electric sensitivity (ES or EHS)?

>

>What happens in your body, in your cells, when you are sensitive to electric

>and magnetic fields?

>

>Has anybody made a compilation of the litterature describing effects from

>electric and magnetic fields including micro waves from mobile phones and

>their base stations?

>

>I´m not ES myself but my wife is. I try to help people at FEB (electically

>injured peple in Sweden).

>

>Kind regards

>Torbjorn Lindblom

>

>_________________________________________________________________

>Auktioner: Tjäna en hacka på gamla prylar http://tradera.msn.se

>

March 15, 2004

>I wonder if somebody has made a compilation of the methods to use when

>treating electric sensitivity (ES or EHS)?

Here's a web page from someone who has done this. And there are a lot of

suggestions on this page that I've never tried!

http://www.wizardofeyez.com/emf-solutions.html

Marc

March 15, 2004

nice link -- hadn't checked out the site before. (http://www.wizardofeyez.com/

wizard.html)

if you are ever in hilo, hawaii, you should go see this glenn swartout fellow.

he is an

excellent eye doctor, and does a number of other alternative type treatments and

assessments. i've been to him three times and have brought friends and family

to see

him as well. very intelligent dude.

derek

> >I wonder if somebody has made a compilation of the methods to use when

> >treating electric sensitivity (ES or EHS)?

>

> Here's a web page from someone who has done this. And there are a lot of

> suggestions on this page that I've never tried!

>

> http://www.wizardofeyez.com/emf-solutions.html

>

> Marc

March 16, 2004

1) A very comprehensive list of treatments was put together by Lucinda Grant

some years ago - but I'm not sure if this is available electronically. I

certainly could fax this list to anyone who is interested. It was published in

one of the editions of 'Electrosensitivity News' which is no longer being

published.

2) Arthur Firstenberg has written a comprehensive book about Electrosensitivity

and Health effects - but there are a great many books that have ben written

about this. Neil Cherry is probably the world expert on this though. I can

send hs papers to anyone - but they are very long.

Questions

Hello ,

I´m quite new to this discussion group. (and already drowning in a flood of

email)

I wonder if somebody has made a compilation of the methods to use when

treating electric sensitivity (ES or EHS)?

What happens in your body, in your cells, when you are sensitive to electric

and magnetic fields?

Has anybody made a compilation of the litterature describing effects from

electric and magnetic fields including micro waves from mobile phones and

their base stations?

I´m not ES myself but my wife is. I try to help people at FEB (electically

injured peple in Sweden).

Kind regards

Torbjorn Lindblom

_________________________________________________________________

Auktioner: Tjäna en hacka på gamla prylar http://tradera.msn.se

March 24, 2004

Jeri:

I think all of this depends entirely on the doctor and hospital. At

UCSF, Hu and Berven typically make you wear a TLSO brace when you're

out of bed for the first few months. Patients of other surgeons

report no bracing at all. Recently, many on this group discussed use

of a cloth corset-style brace. So, it's a question to ask the

surgeons you're considering for the surgery.

Scheduling surgical dates also depends on the doctor and hospital.

Trying to get a date with Bradford (another UCSF doc) required a

lead of about six months; scheduling Dr. Hu was only four months. It

has to do with their availability AND the availability of the OR

resources -- these are long operations, and there are often two or

more surgical dates, so the doc and the OR need to be available for

lengthy periods a week or so apart. Also, if you plan to do

autologous blood donation, there's a certain time window required.

Standard disclaimer here.

Elissa

> After revision surgery, what sorts of contraptions are used for

post-

> op protection ...casts or bracing of any kind?

>

> What's your experience of how long it takes to actually get to the

> surgery date once you and your doctor decide to proceed? I realize

> this will be very individual to the doctor and hospital, etc.

>

> I'm sure there will be more questions tumbling out. Thanks,

everyone.

> Jeri

April 14, 2004

Hi Jill.

My rod is broken too. I'm scheduled for an MRI and CT scan next

Wednesday.

Your questions are terrific! I'm looking forward to this wonderful

group of experienced flatbackers answering them.

Jeri

> I'm hoping to not have another sleepless night tonight. I had my x-

ray today and I should

> know soon if I'm walking around with broken hardware. This notion

creeps me out way

> more than it did when I was 18, the last time I " popped a rod " .

Anyway, I have a few

> questions for those of you who have been through this more recently

than 20 years:

> 1. Does the surgeon who takes out Harrington rods neccesarily need

to have scolisis as a

> specialty?

> 2. How risky is it to walk around like this? Any known cases of

serious complications with

> rod failure?

> 3. When you have your hardware removed, I understand that becasue

your spine is still

> fused, you still don't have the mobility of someone who doesn't

have it. But are your risks

> of injury the same? What kinds of things CAN you do that you

couldn't do with rods in

> place?

> 4. I understand that these days, spine surgery patients are up and

around much sooner.

> How much sooner and do you still have to wear a bivalve cast or

brace?

> 5. Besides experience, what is the ONE thing a surgeon who is going

to remove your

> hardware have to posses? What should I look for in someone I want

to operate on me and

> what's something that should be a red flag?

>

> I'm pretty sure I'm going to need to know these answers. I can

feel it. If not, maybe your

> answers will help another bewildered " HARM " patient. Thank you so

very much for you

> input.

> Jill

April 14, 2004

Dear Jill,

Answers to your questions:

!. I would only see a surgeon that specializes in Scoliosis and does a great

number

of these types of surgeries.

2. My Harrington rod was unhooked at the top hook for 16 years and the bottom

hook was unhooked for 14 years before I went through the revision process

beginning in 2000. I didn't have a break of the rod, it just came unhooked.

3. When I had the hardware removed I of course was still fused, I really don't

remember what it was like not being fused. I still could bend over and touch my

feet since with me L-4 and L-5 were still unfused at that point. I was

basically the same with my ability to move around.

4.The day I was back from I.C.U. about three days post OP I was up walking, not

far but walking. Yes, you wear a light weight plastic type brace, following

hardware removal, and in my case a decompression for Steniosis. I wore the brace

for three months.

5. Know your Doc, research him/ her. Ask other patients how they felt about

him/her and how their outcomes were. I talk to patients of my surgeon, they want

to speak to someone who has been through it. I say the most important thing is

having a surgeon you can talk with, someone who " gets " scoliosis, and that you

just aren't a X-ray or a proceedure to. Make sure that you are happy with their

support staff, you will be doing a lot of communicating with them. Nothing is

more frustrating than insurance mis-Q's. Keep a binder with everything in it,

especially authorizations. Write down all names of people you talk with at the

office and what they said in case there is a problem.

Red Flags are anything that doesn't sit well with you. Read as much as you can,

ask us and we'll help with questions to ask if you need help.

I know the first surgeon I saw years ago told me my rod was unhooked and he

wanted to go in and just take out the hooks. I ran from that guys office, my gut

told me that was wrong. I saw a few surgeons til I got my flatback label and a

plan to " fix " me. Trust your gut, it has never lead me wrong. That is my two

cents, hope it helps!

Denver

questions

I'm hoping to not have another sleepless night tonight. I had my x-ray today

and I should

know soon if I'm walking around with broken hardware. This notion creeps me

out way

more than it did when I was 18, the last time I " popped a rod " . Anyway, I

have a few

questions for those of you who have been through this more recently than 20

years:

1. Does the surgeon who takes out Harrington rods neccesarily need to have

scolisis as a

specialty?

2. How risky is it to walk around like this? Any known cases of serious

complications with

rod failure?

3. When you have your hardware removed, I understand that becasue your spine

is still

fused, you still don't have the mobility of someone who doesn't have it. But

are your risks

of injury the same? What kinds of things CAN you do that you couldn't do with

rods in

place?

4. I understand that these days, spine surgery patients are up and around much

sooner.

How much sooner and do you still have to wear a bivalve cast or brace?

5. Besides experience, what is the ONE thing a surgeon who is going to remove

your

hardware have to posses? What should I look for in someone I want to operate

on me and

what's something that should be a red flag?

I'm pretty sure I'm going to need to know these answers. I can feel it. If

not, maybe your

answers will help another bewildered " HARM " patient. Thank you so very much

for you

input.

Jill

Support for scoliosis-surgery veterans with Harrington Rod Malalignment

Syndrome. Not medical advice. Group does not control ads or endorse any

advertised products.

April 25, 2004

Sorry...this reply was sitting in my outbox for weeks. Have been using a

different computer. Ed

The lymphatic bounce, or health bounce, is a gentle, but vigorous up and down

movenment performed on a rebounder without lifting off the surface of the

mat. The springs and gravity do most of the work. It is practically

effortless,

but gets your lymphatic system working like nothing else on earth. The

frequency is somewhere around 110 cycles per minute.

The springs on a trampoline, even a mini-trampoline, are long and parallel to

each other. It is designed to allow you to create lift and do stunts. The

springs on a rebounder a shorter and triangulate from two points on the frame

to one on the mat to give you a faster action and a more stable lateral

support. It is designed for health and exercise -- not for doing flips, etc.

In a message dated 3/1/2004 11:11:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Bran_son2000@... writes:

> so what is a lymphatic bounce and is a rebounder

> different from a trampoline. also i have a noticed a

> yellowish coat on my tongue...no sores, no pain...just

> dry mouth...but i also smoke herb , not cigarettes...

> should i be worried?

> --- aidsisover@... wrote:

> >

> >In a message dated 2/27/04 8:55:50 PM,

> >Bran_son2000@... writes:

> >

> >>is jump roping rebounding?

> >>

> >

> >NO! Jumping rope subjects the body to a lot of

> >shock that drains your

> >energy. Rebounding is gentle and builds your

> >energy. Also, doing the lymphatic

> >bounce on a rebounder, your body changes direction

> >between 110 and 120 times a

> >minute which pumps the lymph faster and more

> >effectively than any other

> >activity. However, by freeing trapped toxins in

> >the body, either activity would

> >probably raise your t-cells temporarily.

> >Proponents of rebounding claim it

> >will triple your t-cell count, for what that's

> >worth.

> >

April 25, 2004

interesting Ed, is there any proof that this thing works?

stephen

Sorry...this reply was sitting in my outbox for weeks. Have been using a

>different computer. Ed

>

>The lymphatic bounce, or health bounce, is a gentle, but vigorous up and

>down

>movenment performed on a rebounder without lifting off the surface of the

>mat. The springs and gravity do most of the work. It is practically

>effortless,

>but gets your lymphatic system working like nothing else on earth. The

>frequency is somewhere around 110 cycles per minute.

>

>The springs on a trampoline, even a mini-trampoline, are long and parallel

>to

>each other. It is designed to allow you to create lift and do stunts. The

>springs on a rebounder a shorter and triangulate from two points on the

>frame

>to one on the mat to give you a faster action and a more stable lateral

>support. It is designed for health and exercise -- not for doing flips,

>etc.

>In a message dated 3/1/2004 11:11:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,

>Bran_son2000@... writes:

>

> > so what is a lymphatic bounce and is a rebounder

> > different from a trampoline. also i have a noticed a

> > yellowish coat on my tongue...no sores, no pain...just

> > dry mouth...but i also smoke herb , not cigarettes...

> > should i be worried?

> > --- aidsisover@... wrote:

> > >

> > >In a message dated 2/27/04 8:55:50 PM,

> > >Bran_son2000@... writes:

> > >

> > >>is jump roping rebounding?

> > >>

> > >

> > >NO! Jumping rope subjects the body to a lot of

> > >shock that drains your

> > >energy. Rebounding is gentle and builds your

> > >energy. Also, doing the lymphatic

> > >bounce on a rebounder, your body changes direction

> > >between 110 and 120 times a

> > >minute which pumps the lymph faster and more

> > >effectively than any other

> > >activity. However, by freeing trapped toxins in

> > >the body, either activity would

> > >probably raise your t-cells temporarily.

> > >Proponents of rebounding claim it

> > >will triple your t-cell count, for what that's

> > >worth.

> > >

>

April 26, 2004

Well, it's worked for me for a quarter of a century. Haven't suffered from

a cold (used to get two humdingers every year) since February 1980. And it

has worked for everyone I know who tried it, with the exception of -- and

I'm wondering exactly what he did with his.

If you visit any of the alternative cancer clinics (Mexico, the Caribbean,

Europe, etc.) where they have a reputation for curing cancer, you'll find the

rebounder is a common thread in all of them. There have been several books on

the subject over the years, including at least two on curing cancer.

Ed

In a message dated 4/25/04 7:38:26 AM, peacefulbeans@... writes:

>

> interesting Ed, is there any proof that this thing works?

>

> stephen

>

> Sorry...this reply was sitting in my outbox for weeks. Have been using a

> >different computer. Ed

> >

> >The lymphatic bounce, or health bounce, is a gentle, but vigorous up and

> >down

> >movenment performed on a rebounder without lifting off the surface of the

> >mat. The springs and gravity do most of the work. It is practically

> >effortless,

> >but gets your lymphatic system working like nothing else on earth. The

> >frequency is somewhere around 110 cycles per minute.

> >

> >The springs on a trampoline, even a mini-trampoline, are long and parallel

> >to

> >each other. It is designed to allow you to create lift and do stunts. The

> >springs on a rebounder a shorter and triangulate from two points on the

> >frame

> >to one on the mat to give you a faster action and a more stable lateral

> >support. It is designed for health and exercise -- not for doing flips,

> >etc.

> >In a message dated 3/1/2004 11:11:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> >Bran_son2000@... writes:

> >

> > > so what is a lymphatic bounce and is a rebounder

> > > different from a trampoline. also i have a noticed a

> > > yellowish coat on my tongue...no sores, no pain...just

> > > dry mouth...but i also smoke herb , not cigarettes...

> > > should i be worried?

> > > --- aidsisover@... wrote:

> > > >

> > > >In a message dated 2/27/04 8:55:50 PM,

> > > >Bran_son2000@... writes:

> > > >

> > > >>is jump roping rebounding?

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >NO! Jumping rope subjects the body to a lot of

> > > >shock that drains your

> > > >energy. Rebounding is gentle and builds your

> > > >energy. Also, doing the lymphatic

> > > >bounce on a rebounder, your body changes direction

> > > >between 110 and 120 times a

> > > >minute which pumps the lymph faster and more

> > > >effectively than any other

> > > >activity. However, by freeing trapped toxins in

> > > >the body, either activity would

> > > >probably raise your t-cells temporarily.

> > > >Proponents of rebounding claim it

> > > >will triple your t-cell count, for what that's

> > > >worth.

> > > >

>

April 26, 2004

Hi ,

I would like to say I that my rebounder is the envy of my family members.

My mother can't wait for me to get " tired " of it so she can take it. I

recently had a terrible sore throat and a lump on the side of my neck,

after an hour of rebounding it was gone the next day! The NEXT DAY!! I

can go on and on, I had gum infections, even after an 1/2 hour of

rebounding..it was gone. When my kids complain of ear aches, they know to

jump for at least 1/2 hour and I never hear anything more about their

pains. My kids love it, they think it's a toy, but they don't know it's

really helping them. I don't rebound like I should, so I am very impressed

with the results I get, just imagine if I set the time aside to rebound

everyday.... It is an investment that you won't regret! It REALLY DOES

WORK.

aidsisover@...

m

cures for AIDS

cc:

04/26/2004 06:07 Subject: Re:

Questions

AM

Please respond to

cures for AIDS

Well, it's worked for me for a quarter of a century. Haven't suffered

from

a cold (used to get two humdingers every year) since February 1980. And

it

has worked for everyone I know who tried it, with the exception of --

and

I'm wondering exactly what he did with his.

If you visit any of the alternative cancer clinics (Mexico, the Caribbean,

Europe, etc.) where they have a reputation for curing cancer, you'll find

the

rebounder is a common thread in all of them. There have been several

books on

the subject over the years, including at least two on curing cancer.

Ed

In a message dated 4/25/04 7:38:26 AM, peacefulbeans@... writes:

>

> interesting Ed, is there any proof that this thing works?

>

> stephen

>

> Sorry...this reply was sitting in my outbox for weeks. Have been using a

> >different computer. Ed

> >

> >The lymphatic bounce, or health bounce, is a gentle, but vigorous up and

> >down

> >movenment performed on a rebounder without lifting off the surface of

the

> >mat. The springs and gravity do most of the work. It is practically

> >effortless,

> >but gets your lymphatic system working like nothing else on earth. The

> >frequency is somewhere around 110 cycles per minute.

> >

> >The springs on a trampoline, even a mini-trampoline, are long and

parallel

> >to

> >each other. It is designed to allow you to create lift and do stunts.

The

> >springs on a rebounder a shorter and triangulate from two points on the

> >frame

> >to one on the mat to give you a faster action and a more stable lateral

> >support. It is designed for health and exercise -- not for doing flips,

> >etc.

> >In a message dated 3/1/2004 11:11:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> >Bran_son2000@... writes:

> >

> > > so what is a lymphatic bounce and is a rebounder

> > > different from a trampoline. also i have a noticed a

> > > yellowish coat on my tongue...no sores, no pain...just

> > > dry mouth...but i also smoke herb , not cigarettes...

> > > should i be worried?

> > > --- aidsisover@... wrote:

> > > >

> > > >In a message dated 2/27/04 8:55:50 PM,

> > > >Bran_son2000@... writes:

> > > >

> > > >>is jump roping rebounding?

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >NO! Jumping rope subjects the body to a lot of

> > > >shock that drains your

> > > >energy. Rebounding is gentle and builds your

> > > >energy. Also, doing the lymphatic

> > > >bounce on a rebounder, your body changes direction

> > > >between 110 and 120 times a

> > > >minute which pumps the lymph faster and more

> > > >effectively than any other

> > > >activity. However, by freeing trapped toxins in

> > > >the body, either activity would

> > > >probably raise your t-cells temporarily.

> > > >Proponents of rebounding claim it

> > > >will triple your t-cell count, for what that's

> > > >worth.

> > > >

>

April 26, 2004

thanks for the information, where might one find one of these rebounders?

>From: monica.alexander@...

>Reply-cures for AIDS

>cures for AIDS

>Subject: Re: Questions

>Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:29:01 -0400

>

>Hi ,

>

>I would like to say I that my rebounder is the envy of my family members.

>My mother can't wait for me to get " tired " of it so she can take it. I

>recently had a terrible sore throat and a lump on the side of my neck,

>after an hour of rebounding it was gone the next day! The NEXT DAY!! I

>can go on and on, I had gum infections, even after an 1/2 hour of

>rebounding..it was gone. When my kids complain of ear aches, they know to

>jump for at least 1/2 hour and I never hear anything more about their

>pains. My kids love it, they think it's a toy, but they don't know it's

>really helping them. I don't rebound like I should, so I am very impressed

>with the results I get, just imagine if I set the time aside to rebound

>everyday.... It is an investment that you won't regret! It REALLY DOES

>WORK.

>

> aidsisover@...

> m To:

>cures for AIDS

> cc:

> 04/26/2004 06:07 Subject: Re:

>Questions

> AM

> Please respond to

> cures for AIDS

>

>Well, it's worked for me for a quarter of a century. Haven't suffered

>from

>a cold (used to get two humdingers every year) since February 1980. And

>it

>has worked for everyone I know who tried it, with the exception of --

>and

>I'm wondering exactly what he did with his.

>

>If you visit any of the alternative cancer clinics (Mexico, the Caribbean,

>Europe, etc.) where they have a reputation for curing cancer, you'll find

>the

>rebounder is a common thread in all of them. There have been several

>books on

>the subject over the years, including at least two on curing cancer.

>

>Ed

>

>In a message dated 4/25/04 7:38:26 AM, peacefulbeans@... writes:

>

> >

> > interesting Ed, is there any proof that this thing works?

> >

> > stephen

> >

> > Sorry...this reply was sitting in my outbox for weeks. Have been using

>a

> > >different computer. Ed

> > >

> > >The lymphatic bounce, or health bounce, is a gentle, but vigorous up

>and

> > >down

> > >movenment performed on a rebounder without lifting off the surface of

>the

> > >mat. The springs and gravity do most of the work. It is practically

> > >effortless,

> > >but gets your lymphatic system working like nothing else on earth. The

> > >frequency is somewhere around 110 cycles per minute.

> > >

> > >The springs on a trampoline, even a mini-trampoline, are long and

>parallel

> > >to

> > >each other. It is designed to allow you to create lift and do stunts.

>The

> > >springs on a rebounder a shorter and triangulate from two points on the

> > >frame

> > >to one on the mat to give you a faster action and a more stable lateral

> > >support. It is designed for health and exercise -- not for doing

>flips,

> > >etc.

> > >In a message dated 3/1/2004 11:11:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > >Bran_son2000@... writes:

> > >

> > > > so what is a lymphatic bounce and is a rebounder

> > > > different from a trampoline. also i have a noticed a

> > > > yellowish coat on my tongue...no sores, no pain...just

> > > > dry mouth...but i also smoke herb , not cigarettes...

> > > > should i be worried?

> > > > --- aidsisover@... wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >In a message dated 2/27/04 8:55:50 PM,

> > > > >Bran_son2000@... writes:

> > > > >

> > > > >>is jump roping rebounding?

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > > >NO! Jumping rope subjects the body to a lot of

> > > > >shock that drains your

> > > > >energy. Rebounding is gentle and builds your

> > > > >energy. Also, doing the lymphatic

> > > > >bounce on a rebounder, your body changes direction

> > > > >between 110 and 120 times a

> > > > >minute which pumps the lymph faster and more

> > > > >effectively than any other

> > > > >activity. However, by freeing trapped toxins in

> > > > >the body, either activity would

> > > > >probably raise your t-cells temporarily.

> > > > >Proponents of rebounding claim it

> > > > >will triple your t-cell count, for what that's

> > > > >worth.

> > > > >

> >

>

April 27, 2004

In a message dated 4/26/04 9:46:58 PM, peacefulbeans@... writes:

>

> thanks for the information, where might one find one of these rebounders?

>

Check out Sobehealthy.com.

April 28, 2004

Carolyn,

Please send the invitation email with the map back to me. I copied it to

take with me on my trip and deleted immediately it. If you can believe

that. I can't click on the hard copy???? LOL

E

Re: Questions

,

OMG, this woman is also a member-subscriber of DissidentSaint, and I

didn't know what has transpired. What a complete and utter tragedy! I

mourn for this family and pray to God they will be covered by His/Her

grace. I have seen this sort of thing many times, unfortunately. We

must be ever vigilant in our health and wellness. I have had my own

experiences being hospitalized and fighting with the doctors who were

supposed to be care-givers. Only by persistance was I able to

overcome any misdiagnosis and mistreatment.

>

> Hi all,

>

> I don't know if you remember a post around November or December

from Herbal

> Momma. She was inquiring information regarding her husband who had

> problems with sores in his mouth (some of the fillings came out) and

> problems with his feet. If I recall correctly, he had an accident

in the

> winter where he passed out and was out in the extreme cold for

hours, which

> caused problems with his feet and legs. Beside the canker sore,

he was

> healthy nnd was waiting for his release to go back to work at any

time.

> Something his family consisting of 6 children were depending on.

>

> He died on Feb. 18th... due to his dr.'s negligence. The sore in

his mouth

> got so bad that he couldn't eat, so the dr prescribed a medication

to clear

> it up that he was SEVERELY allergic to. The dr gave him samples and

> nothing on a rx pad. It wasn't until he began having strange

reactions,

> his wife researched the medicine and found out it, it contained an

agent

> (that was in his records) that if given he would have a SEVERE

reacation.

> Over 3 times, his drs gave it to him, the last time, WHILE HE WAS

IN THE

> HOSPITAL almost caused his breathing to stop. She quickly emailed

the dr

> and he told her to stop giving it to him, but her husband was

beginning to

> develop other issues to the point he had to be hospitalized.

>

> When he was admitted he was 116 pounds, and of course at the

hospital they

> only wanted to give him AIDS meds, but he and his wife refused.

The did

> nothing other than giving him something for dehydration, they did

nothing

> for nourishment or treating the reaction to the medication that he

> shouldn't have NEVER been prescribed in the first place. He stopped

> talking and soon eating. Since he wouldn't take the AIDS meds,

they felt

> nothing else could be done and sent him home to die.

>

> His wife, took a medical leave from work, worked tirelessly to help

him

> regain his health and nourish him, she tried everything, even urine

> therapy, but he was too far gone. This is a man that only had a

canker

> sore, he was getting ready to go back to work in a few weeks and

because

> his dr refused to pick up his chart which would have revealed his

severe

> allergic reaction to the medication he rx, this man would still be

alive

> TODAY. I don't remember the name, if anyone interested I will call

her and

> find out, it had sulfur or sodium that caused him problems.

>

> I am so angry!! I knew them personally and he was a wonderful

person, full

> of life and all he talked about was going back to work so his

family could

> have a decent home and nice things. He loved his family and would

finish

> his wife sentences, that's how close they were. He wanted to get

back to

> work to get them out of the home they are living in. It's not fit

to live

> in and to the point if she contacts our local FIA they would remove

her

> children until she can provide a better home. How can she do that

now?!!!

> Who is going to be responsible for the innocent man's death!!!

They peg

> this big fat lie called HIV.

>

> This is ridiculous, so know if someone has to be hospitalized the

only way

> they'll be treated is if they take the toxic drugs first. Sorry

for all

> you pro- choicers, but people can exercise their right to murder an

> innocent baby, but not have the right to decide if they want to

take toxic

> medications or have them given to their children and loved ones???

>

> What can be done about this? Don't we have ANY rights??? This

woman is

> living in a home with plastic on her roof, and has to worry about

how she

> is going to raise 6 beautiful children who lost their father. No

programs

> or anyone seems to be able to help her get adequate housing. She

does

> work, but it isn't enough, even her oldest children work and go to

school

> to help out, but it just isn't enough. That's why she was so

happy to

> know her husband was going to be returning to work, making good

money.

>

> I know not everyone agrees with going to conventional drs,

personally I

> try to avoid them as much as I can. What can we do, if we get so

sick,

> like pneumonia, or heart attack, broken bones, stabbings, comas,

and our

> family either wants to admit us or we must get admitted for

treatment?

> What is the first thing they do, run a HIV data base and pull out

the meds

> and treat only that? This grown man was starving and all they

wanted to

> do was shove pills down his throat, why didn't they " force " feed him

> something that would have save his life. This is so

frightening.... it

> makes me want to get an new identity to escape the " LIST " .

>

> Innocent children and babies are being slowly murdered, people

lives are

> being destroyed, I am so sick of this. It seems like we take two

steps

> ahead and go back 20. It seems like we have no rights, no say in

our

> health unless we do it " undercover " , this is what they call

America.. land

> of the free? Where was this couple's freedom??? Who is going to

help

> this mother, who has been struggling for so long and just when they

seem

> they were coming to the light at the end of the tunnel, the tunnel

is now

> longer and darker than before.

>

> I am so angry, there has to be something that we free, American

citizens

> can do to stop this mass murdering with toxic drugs, and the " take

the meds

> or you're on your own " tactics drs and hospitals, and these

agencies that

> are killing children use. What can we do? Is there anything

that can be

> done to help my friend and her 6 children who father was murdered?

>

> M

Read AIDS-Cured

May 1, 2004

Dear ,

I have heard so much about this Rebounder. Any idea how someone in Africa can

get it?

Regards

Tom

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