stuck stone?

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In a message dated 10/12/2004 7:30:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jannberger@... writes:

> I can't take Epsom salts because of sulfate

> sensitivity, so I drink apple juice, but in a rural

> area, the best I can do is buy bottled juice not from

> concentrate.

>

What can you take to open up your colon and get you pooping A LOT?

Epsom salts is for two reasons -- colon cleansing and pain control by

relaxing the bile ducts that spasm if impeded.

Try a good laxative -- prunes will do, but enough to get you pooping 3-4

times a day until you are good and cleaned out. If you poop too much or feel

tired

and draggy take a mineral supplement to perk you up.

Someone else around here will be able to figure out an alternative to the

duct relaxing -- maybe just a bigger dose of magnesium 1-2 times a day.

Sixty-nine is not too old to flush. Just be reasonable -- as you should also

be at 29 or 19 for that matter.

Best wishes, (Atlanta, heading for 44 degrees on Sat am.)

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Dear Jann

Sorry to hear you are having problems. Yipes. When this is all over, you really

need to get on a DISSOLVING PROGRAM so you don't end up like this again.

I may be naive but I think it's relatively simple to keep the bile flowing and

the

stones minimal. You will also need to figure out what's wrong with your diet or

lifestyle that's causing you to be ill.

I'm also wondering if you really do have stone obstruction or some other type

of obstruction, like, for instance, a spasm of one of the many spincters. I'm

thinking (unless you know otherwise) that the latter is more likely. You did

say " I'm fearful " several times and emotions really do clamp these muscles

down tightly. I can't remember if you said whether or not you had an

ultrasound this go-round, they don't always show anything, but one could be

helpful right now and it is basically non-invasive, non-painful and non-toxic.

Try to keep their paws off of you with all their invasive technology. Scary!!

In the meantime, I have a couple of suggestions:

1) I've never heard of a sensitivity to sulfates (Epsom salt is magnesium

sulfate). Do you mean you have a " sulfite " sensitivity? I think I'd go ahead

and take a blast of Epsom Salts anyway, what's worse?

2) Get out your heating pad RIGHT NOW and put a huge cloth soaked in

CASTOR OIL over your liver and give yourself a 30-45 minute treatment 3-4

times a day. Practice breathing slowly and deeply while you do it.

3) Drink plenty of WATER day and night. This will help flush the toxins. Take

enzymes and get on some good liver cleansing and healing herbs.

4) As an alternative to #1 above, perhaps you can use an HERBAL FLUSH.

There are many types of herbs that cause the spinctors to open wide and

allow passage of bile, slush and any stones that may be present. I've used

FRINGE BARK as just one of many. There are several commercial and

home-made herbal combinations that work even better. Check with any

professional herbalist to match one up with your body.

5) If it were me, I'd fast for several days now and chug the raw apple juice as

it has been said to soften and dissolve stones (seemed to work for me). You

could also take MALIC ACID if you can't handle all the sugar. Stay on this for

a long time too. I'd continue the apple juice for at least a month after you are

done with the crisis.

6) Walk, walk, walk. Take a long hike right now and several times a day. It

moves everything.

7) Breathing. You need to get some healthy breathing patterns going to

breath those fear patterns out of you. If you haven't taken RESCUE

REMEDY, go get some RIGHT NOW and take a drop or two every hour for a

while. It will help everything.

Keep reaching out, it never hurts to PRAY either!

Will

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~Suzanne

Jann Berger <jannberger@y...> wrote:

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> Thanks for any help for a panicky pain person.

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Hi Jann,

Maybe take your magnesium over a couple of hours before you try

flushing. And make sure that your are virtually eating fat free foods

before each flush or the effects are not as beneficial.

I have heard that it is the magnesium that relaxes bile ducts and I use

magnesium (magnesium hydroxide) elemental and malic acid caplets. I

start several hours a head and take a couple of caplets every hour so

that they have time to dissolve. I have done 4 flushes using these

tablets instead of epsom salts and have never felt any pain but the

stones that have past were the soft cholesterol stones not calcified.

They were not any bigger than about 1/2 an inch in size. I can not tell

you for sure that it was the caplets that made it pain free but it felt

the same as when epsom salts were used. ( like I said there was no

pain) . I have passed stones on my own with no flushing and there was

incredible pain associated with those experiences.

I also have used oxy powder (magnesium bound to ozone) with these

caplets once or twice and it worked great these times as well. I was

just making sure that different forms of magnesium was in the body in

case different forms worked differently. Any of these forms of

magnesium also work to give you a loose the stool which will help remove

the stones faster.

It also helped with the fact that I was doing the Master cleanse at the

time and was already cleaned out and the salt water in the later morning

helped to wash the stones out. I felt so good incorporating the Master

cleanse with my liver flushes as both help with the detox of the other

flush. With the routine I was on this summer I lost a over 30 lbs and

felt so much better. The upper right chest, arm and back pain has

almost disappeared and the chronic diarrhea disappeared, as well.

Before I started with my first flush this summer my stool was almost

white. I knew a stone was in the bile duct as I have no gall bladder

as well it was been gone for 7 years. Before the gallbladder was out I

was in emergency getting my demoral and gravol shot every 3-6 weeks. I

am not one for taking things very slow and have done the hulda clark

type flush always with great success.

G Murray.

Jann Berger wrote:

>Hello. I have done a simple flush, 2 Tbsp. lemon

>juice, 2 Tbsp. olive oil, for six nights. I began

>because I had pale stools. I have done this several

>times before, sometimes with results, sometimes, not.

>However, this time, I have a lot of pain in my upper

>right side, where I had pain before my gall bladder

>was removed, several years ago.

>

>I am fearful of taking the final night's 2/3 cup oil

>and 1/3 cup lemon juice, tonight, so I won't do it. I

>called the local clinic and can't see the woman doctor

>who diagnosed liver stones, last year at this time,

>until Monday (this is Tuesday). The last time, she

>told me to come right to the hospital/clinic if I

>became jaundiced, I am not, otherwise, just wait it

>out until the stone passes. Nevertheless, I am worried

>about this continuing pain. I have had it for six

>days, with one day in between, having no pain.

>

>I can't take Epsom salts because of sulfate

>sensitivity, so I drink apple juice, but in a rural

>area, the best I can do is buy bottled juice not from

>concentrate.

>

>Is it dangerous to be doing the flush without the

>Epsom salts? I do take 750 mg. of magnesium tablets,

>every day, to complement my CA supplements for

>osteoporosis.

>

>I am 69. Maybe I should not be doing this because of

>my age?

>

>Thanks for any help for a panicky pain person.

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