Re: Blood Tests for Liver-Pancreas can be very helpful

[Guest guest]

Hay Will that was pretty good. Now I'm VA, and they are thinking about taking my

GB out. I really like my GB where it is. What was it about the EPCR that you

didn't like??????

----- Original Message -----

From: Will Winter

gallstones

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 2:31 PM

Subject: Blood Tests for Liver-Pancreas can be very helpful

Dear

thanks for taking the time to go back over the messages. It's a gold mine.

Regarding the diagnositic accuracy and availability of BLOOD TESTS for GB

and pancreas, the answer is YES and NO. The blood tests only show if there

is ACTIVE destruction of the liver and/or pancreas (usually from blockage) so

they don't give you any clue how the GB itself is doing. There are NO blood

tests directly for the GB.

You could have normal liver and pancreas blood tests today, get a stone

obstruction tonight and have horrible blood tests tomorrow! So, if your

tests

are all normal today, that's GREAT, but it doesn't give you the ability to let

go

of all your cleansing and healing programs. On the other hand, if your blood

tests show problems today, you'd better clean up your act NOW. It's not a

bad idea to have your basic blood tests done periodically (especially if you

suspect something is going on) then use the information accordingly

1) LIVER ENZYMES- There are 5-6 major enzymes that are released into

the blood when the liver is trashed. Normally, 1000's of liver cells die every

day so those enzymes hover around at a low levels of around 10-50 units. If

you have hepatitis, obstruction, recent ingestion of booze or drugs or any

other liver insult, these enzymes will soar into the 100's or even 1000's,

then

gravitate back to normal levels if the problem leaves. It's like the body

count

in a war. You can also get blood tests for all the various forms of infectious

hepatitis. Do this for sure if you have chronically high liver enzyme levels.

2)BILIRUBIN If there is an obstructive problem, the bilirubin (old blood

pigments) wlll be unable to get to the biliary tract to the gut, and they back

up

into the blood. Tests break it down into conjugated and unconjugated as well

which differentiate if there is just an increase in bilirubin (say, with

internal

hemorrhage or blood destructive diseases) or if it is the processed form that

is backing up (or both forms, in some cases). A cheap way to measure your

bilirubin count is to look at your eyeballs in the mirror. High bilirubin =

JAUNDICE = yellow eyeballs. Jaundice is always very serious!

3) PANCREATIC ENZYMES- Mainly lipase and amylase. These are normally

very low, say 20-30 units. When I had pancreatitis, my levels shot up to over

5000 units of each. Once the blockage had cleared, they were back to 80-90

within a day or two. If these levels are high, you have active destruction of

pancreatic tissue going on and that ain't good.

4) WHITE BLOOD CELL COUNT If there is a true infection of the organs or

GB you will show a high white count (dead fighter cells) when it is going on.

You can chart the exact course of any bacterial infection. Viral infections

usually depress or only slightly alter the wbc profile. Chronic inflammation

can

also be reflected in the types of wbc's present in the differential analysis

of

the wbc.

There are no good diagnostic tests for the REAL PROBLEM: Gallstones in the

liver and bile ducts. No tests, that is, until you get monster problems like

20,000 stones causing a fatty liver syndrome. These liver stones are all

cholesterol and solidified bile so they don't show up on normal radiology

either. A real hidden menace.

When I was in the hospital I requested ALL my blood tests every day and I

could chart my progress and then determine what approach I wanted the

doctors to follow. For example, on day 3 following a serious gallstone-induced

pancreatitis, my enzyme levels were all back to near normal ( making for a

really good prognosis) but the money-grubber GE docs were insisting that I

have an ERCP " just to make sure " . Huh? No frickin' way, I said. My stone

HAS to be gone. DUH---Look at the falling enzyme levels! They had no

answer but got furious at me and tried several devious and diabolical ways of

forcing me to get the stupid and dangerous test anyway. To make a long

story short: Thanks to my blood tests and intuition, I WON!

Will, still kickin' in Minnesota

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,

Here's an article that talks about how to detect gallstones. Blood tests and

ultrasound are two ways of detecting them.

http://gi.bsd.uchicago.edu/diseases/other/gallstones.html

[Guest guest]

--- In gallstones , O'Leary <paul_oleary@y...>

wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Here's an article that talks about how to detect gallstones.

Blood tests and ultrasound are two ways of detecting them.

>

> http://gi.bsd.uchicago.edu/diseases/other/gallstones.html

" Bile contains water, cholesterol, fats, bile salts, and bilirubin.

Bile salts break up fat, and bilirubin gives bile and stool a

brownish color. The liquid bile can harden into stones if it

contains too much cholesterol, bile salts, or bilirubin. "

So what are those green stuff one get after a liver cleanse?

[Guest guest]

--- In gallstones , O'Leary <paul_oleary@y...>

wrote:

>

> This forum really isn't about stool samples, but I've found two

article on them. If you think you have something abnormal, you

should check with a doctor.

I was refering more to the soft green spheres (stones) that I got on

my first cleanse, and to those green stones often reported by

others, not green stools.

[Guest guest]

Hi

Are the " stones " hard? Those I got were soft, like dough.

>

> > How do you tell the difference between a green stool

> > sample and a soft green sphere?

>

> This isn't written to me, but the green " stones " that

> come from a flush are distinctly different from

> a stool sample, you can't confuse them. Sometimes

> later in the day after doing a flush, when you starte

> eating again, you may miss seeing them if embedded in

> stools, but there's nothing quite like finding " the

> real thing " .

> http://nutritionist.bravehost.com/gallbladder.html

>

> =====

> L. Meydrech, CN

> http://nutritionist.bravehost.com

>

>

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Check these pictures of surgically removed gall stones and see if

they look like what you got. Stones come in all shapes, colors, and

sizes. They are made out of different stuff to give them their

variations. The soft pea looking green stones are made out of bile

and cholesterol. Harder whiter ones are made partly of calcium.

There are black, brown and other colors made of slightly different

substances. There is what is called " chaff " that comes out of the

gallbladder during some flushes that would probably become

gallstones. Gallstones don't become full size in a day. They grow

over time like a pearl in an oyster shell. They have to start out

very small. Getting out chaff is a good thing.

http://curezone.com/image_gallery/gallstones/

http://curezone.com/image_gallery/gallbladder_removed/

Vince

>

> I figure that stools are for those everyday stuff that one get

when

> one evacuate the bowels, normally brown.

>

> When I did the liver cleanse, there were numerous pepper sized

green

> globule floating in the water, of the consistency of dough.

Waiting

> for someone to enlighten me on the source of these green globules -

[Guest guest]

: I am new to this group but I have those same symptoms and had my gb

out 2 months ago. I had one minor gb attack and the doctor thought I should

have my gb out. Since my surgery, they did blood tests and said everything is

fine. Has anyone had those symtoms, did a liver flush and the pain went away?

I'm

wondering if I have stones stuck somewhere which are causing the pain.

Thanks, Holli

In a message dated 11/20/2004 3:30:05 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

mllebondgirl007@... writes:

> Thanks for that

> I just left my doctor a message for another test.

>

> I want to share some of the symptoms.

> Some of them I don't have anymore but I kept a journal

> for those of you on this gallstone journey.

>

> Pale colored stools (no longer after I started taking

> a non-GMO brand of vitamin C)

>

> Pain lower right side of ribs (that comes and goes now

> and then depending on fatty meals etc.)

>

> Pain under upper right rib after eating (now and then)

>

> Pain between shoulder blades (not anymore, use to get

> them a lot)

>

> Weird sensation of something stuck, feeling my liver

> after I eat or gallbladder or whatever, just feeling

> an organ moving in me. (now and then not as much

> anymore, I feel it today ate lots of fatty stuff last

> night)

>

> Muscle twitching at nightime especially and during the

> day muscles will twitch also now and then.

>

> Weird sensation in right arm sort of kind of like

> numbness

>

> headaches sometimes

>

> weird dreams

>

> abdominal bloating

>

> see stars when not hungry

>

> sharp pain in heart (hasn't happened lately)

>

> Just thought I'd share

>

>