Re: Pre- and post-flush ultrasounds

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In a message dated 10/27/2004 11:00:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

paul_oleary@... writes:

> Dr Smawfield <smawfield@...> wrote:

>

> Hello. This is my first post on this site. My wife has been diagnosed with

> gallstones, after an Ultrasound.

>

There was an interchange a few months ago on this forum about this issue and

what EXACTLY were the things expelled during a flush.

I was part of that discussion as was Will posting under holistic@ visi.

something...

Will has excellent scientific credentials, ie holistic vet so he has had a

foot in both camps -- holistic/herbal and allopathic and he was ruminating on

this issue. Search the gallstone group archives for his posts and skimming each

-- he began the discussion talking about Dr. the noted herbalist..

His post put me in a funk and I answered about a week later after I had

worked through my take on the matter. Several others chimed in.

Might be helpful place for you to look. No hard evidence was presented by any

of the posting parties but very intelligent conclusions were drawn by

basically skeptical people who are putting their personal health on the line

everyday

by following their own personal truth on this matter.

Best wishes,

(in Atlanta)

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Yepper;;;; Me!!! You can read about it in the archives.

Dale

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr Smawfield

gallstones

Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:52 PM

Subject: Pre- and Post-flush ultrasounds

Hello. This is my first post on this site. My wife has been diagnosed with

gallstones, after an Ultrasound.

We have been trawling the internet to see if there are alternatives to

surgery. It did not take us long to discover the " gallstone flush " . We are

interested, but at this stage still somewhat sceptical.

We would like to know if anyone has had gallstones confirmed by ultrasound,

then done the flush, and then taken ANOTHER ultrasound which has shown the

stones to have disappeared.

This question has been asked on the Internet (see:

http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=73 & i=143)

However, we are very disappointed that so few of the so-called responses

actually answer this question! The lack of firm testimonies of this kind is

undermining our confidence in the therapy.

We have also noted two sources, which seem to explain, as an illusion, the

apparent production of " gallstones " after a flush: In other words, what appears

as gallstones are explained as a digestive reaction to the oil and lemon juice -

i.e. " soap balls " .

See:

http://www.vegsource.com/klaper/qa02.htm

and

http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm

(With the second reference, you will need to scroll a long way down the page

to find a substantial, but arguably convincing, refutation of the efficacy of

gallstone flushes).

Among other things, the author of the second referenced website, who is a

pathologist and done many autopsies, etc, points out that real gallstones sink

in water and do not float.

Can anyone offer good evidence to counter such claims?

In summary, what we are particularly looking is confirmation, by pre- and post

ultrasounds, that gallstone flushing actually works.

Thanks, in anticipation, to anyone who can offer such evidence and assurance.

The more, the better!

S.

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Just to say thanks to everyone who replied to my query a week or so ago,

reference above. My wife, , and I have also had some very interesting

private email correspondence with someone who posted previously on this

site. In summary, we are now convinced.

We also hope to add further definitive evidence in due course. 's

gallstone attack occurred just as we were about to depart UK for Turkey to

undertake a three-month work assignment. Our doctor diagnosed gallstone

problems with a high degree of confidence and wanted to send for an

ultrasound before we departed for Turkey, to confirm the diagnosis. This

could not be arranged in time. So, the ultrasound is booked for our return

to UK in December. In the meantime, we could not bear the suspense of not

knowing whether gallstones were the problem - so arranged to have an

ultrasound privately in Turkey.

This confirmed gallstones. had a first successful flush this weekend,

following the Penny s regime: 30 or so green cholesterol stones, plus

quite a bit of chaff.

She will try to do a couple of flushes before December, and then we will

have the UK ultrasound. It will be very interesting to see the results! We

will keep the board posted. Thanks again for the info.

and Smawfield

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>

> Just to say thanks to everyone who replied to my query a week or

so ago,

> reference above. My wife, , and I have also had some very

interesting

> private email correspondence with someone who posted previously on

this

> site. In summary, we are now convinced.

Hi Dr. Smawfield,

I am glad that you are now convinced. I visited the 2 sites in the

links you gave and it has given me lots to think about. Yesterday I

did my first flush, and it produced lots of little green pepper

sized granules, soft, of the consistency of dough, can hardly be

described as stones. After reading the info in the above 2 sites, I

now wonder if these are actually from the gall bladder/liver or were

the result of reactions/interactions in the gastro-intestinal tract.

I too will like to be convinced and it will be interesting to me and

I am sure to other readers to hear about how you became convinced

about this liver flush. If it does not intrude on privacy issues, I

will also like to hear about what others have told you in their

emails.

Hope you wife's problem with gallstone clear without problems.

> We also hope to add further definitive evidence in due course.

's

> gallstone attack occurred just as we were about to depart UK for

Turkey to

> undertake a three-month work assignment. Our doctor diagnosed

gallstone

> problems with a high degree of confidence and wanted to send

for an

> ultrasound before we departed for Turkey, to confirm the

diagnosis. This

> could not be arranged in time. So, the ultrasound is booked for

our return

> to UK in December. In the meantime, we could not bear the

suspense of not

> knowing whether gallstones were the problem - so arranged to have

an

> ultrasound privately in Turkey.

>

> This confirmed gallstones. had a first successful flush

this weekend,

> following the Penny s regime: 30 or so green cholesterol

stones, plus

> quite a bit of chaff.

>

> She will try to do a couple of flushes before December, and then

we will

> have the UK ultrasound. It will be very interesting to see the

results! We

> will keep the board posted. Thanks again for the info.

>

> and Smawfield

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--- In gallstones , O'Leary <paul_oleary@y...>

wrote:

>

> I do wonder about that too. How do people know if these items are

coming from the gallbladder, the liver, or neither? The gallbladder

is pretty small. Here's a link that says that the gallbladder is

just 4 inches long.

4 inches can hold a lot of stuff

[Guest guest]

Some tissues in our body are designed to stretch quite a bit. No

wonder some people have passed 1 inch gallstones through a duct that

is normally a few mm in diameter. That's what Epsoms salts is good

for: relaxing the duct tissue so it easily stretches.

Vince

> >>>The gallbladder is pretty small. Here's a link that says that

the gallbladder is just 4 inches long.<<<

>

> >>>4 inches can hold a lot of stuff<<<

>

> Agreed. A woman's uterus is roughly 3-4 inches long too.

>

> Blessings

> Mama

> Mother of 7 precious blessings.

>

>

[Guest guest]

What epsom salt study?

Vince

>

> ...That's what Epsoms salts is good

> for: relaxing the duct tissue so it easily stretches.

>

> Vince

[Guest guest]

Why did you think that?

Vince

> What epsom salt study?

>

> Vince