Re: 3rd gall bladder flush - stones are as it is

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respected michaelO

your these lines written in reply to my message are REALLY ENCOURAGING FOR ME.

before your message i was feeling helpless, hopeless and depress and was trying

myself for surgery but your encouraging and helpful words full me with new

strength to do more flush and stick to diet.

regards - alok kumar

O <beeline@...> wrote:

A person who has a lot of stones in thier Gallbladder & liver ...will flush out

those stones near the entrance of the Gallbladder with each flush ....but then

all those stones up the back of the G.Bladder will then simply move foward (too

the front of the que as the case here may be)... & they then await thier turn for

the next flush....

So obviously merely flushing a lot of stones is not going too guarantee your

ultrasound results are going too change short term....since more stones will

come foward (in the early stages)..to replace those you just flushed

As stones from the back of the gallbladder move foward the picture ..(a

picture or image which is a very rough two dimensionsal difficult to percieve

ultrasound image), will change very little ...ie the Ultrasound will still show

a stone filled picture of the GB..(I worked in the Ultrasound business for 4

years ..(I was sales manager for a large USA manufacturer Ulatrasound machine

company.. & I know very well that the interior GallBaladders images are in now

way perfect or easy to interpret in terms of quantifying how many stones may be

in the imaged GallBladder).

I would not be too concerned if I was you at this stage ...just be prepared

to stick to a strict diet for the next whatever number of months & keep flushing

once every 2/3 or 4 weeks etc (about once every 4 weeks is my maximum frequency

i would consider if I had bad Gallstones)... & give this method a chance to do

its job....

Note I am not a medical expert & this is just my opinion based on what I have

read.

Regarding the pain on the wrong side of your chest ?...I cant understand that

...but gall bladder pain s are known to radiate & be reflected at differents

parts of the body for different people...but the fact that your flushes keep

producing lots of stones shows that you need this (imo).. & are on the right

track to solve at least part of your problems (imo)

----- Original Message -----

From: Alok Kumar

gallstones

Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 4:03 PM

Subject: 3rd gall bladder flush - stones are as it is

hi all,

i have done my 3rd gall bladder flush in the night of 8.1.2005 (friday) and

went for the ultrasound on the morning of 10.1.2005 (sunday) and the doctor

said that there are a lot of stones in the gall bladder.

now the situation is as it is as was at the time of my first flush. i have

also severe pain in the center of my chest in the morning of next day after

flush,

i am very depressed with the results i am unable to understand what should i

do.

totally depressed !!

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[Guest guest]

Good stuff Alok...the surgeon will always be there ...I would not be rushing

into his clutches until I had thoroughly exhausted all other possible avenues

first ....

Our Gallbladder was not given to us as a spare part to be discarded at the

first signs of discomfort .......

Below is a quote from Doctor Cabot's web page....

" Surgeons are often very keen to remove the gall bladder as it is believed

that it 'serves no purpose' This is very untrue.

The process of bile production is an 'expensive' biochemical process. The body

has developed the gall bladder to store bile that has been recovered from the

bowel to be recycled - thus saving the liver from having to produce new batches.

Therefore, the gall bladder is vitally important as it takes a lot of workload

off the liver. " end quote

So you see that a person who has a Gallbladder full of stones ...is going to

be most likely already have an overburdened ..or overextended liver .....then

the surgeon convinces that patient too remove this organ (the organ that is in

a position to help remove some of the regular workload from your overburdoned &

probably toxic liver).... merely because it has developed gallstones.

Obviously without a gallbladder your liver is going to become increasingly

overburdoned & the conditions that set your liver up in the first place to

produce Gallstones (or cholesterol etc stones)...will be even more prevalent

than before because your poor liver is even more overworked without a

Gallbladder than it was when it had one.

The above assumes there are no complications involved with the gallbladder

surgery, which can make the picture much worse than just the added problem of a

more overburdoned liver...fwiw

----- Original Message -----

From: Alok Kumar

gallstones

Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:11 PM

Subject: Re: 3rd gall bladder flush - stones are as it is

respected michaelO

your these lines written in reply to my message are REALLY ENCOURAGING FOR ME.

before your message i was feeling helpless, hopeless and depress and was trying

myself for surgery but your encouraging and helpful words full me with new

strength to do more flush and stick to diet.

regards - alok kumar

O <beeline@...> wrote:

A person who has a lot of stones in thier Gallbladder & liver ...will flush

out those stones near the entrance of the Gallbladder with each flush ....but

then all those stones up the back of the G.Bladder will then simply move foward

(too the front of the que as the case here may be)... & they then await thier

turn for the next flush....

So obviously merely flushing a lot of stones is not going too guarantee your

ultrasound results are going too change short term....since more stones will

come foward (in the early stages)..to replace those you just flushed

As stones from the back of the gallbladder move foward the picture ..(a

picture or image which is a very rough two dimensionsal difficult to percieve

ultrasound image), will change very little ...ie the Ultrasound will still show

a stone filled picture of the GB..(I worked in the Ultrasound business for 4

years ..(I was sales manager for a large USA manufacturer Ulatrasound machine

company.. & I know very well that the interior GallBaladders images are in now

way perfect or easy to interpret in terms of quantifying how many stones may be

in the imaged GallBladder).

I would not be too concerned if I was you at this stage ...just be prepared

to stick to a strict diet for the next whatever number of months & keep flushing

once every 2/3 or 4 weeks etc (about once every 4 weeks is my maximum frequency

i would consider if I had bad Gallstones)... & give this method a chance to do

its job....

Note I am not a medical expert & this is just my opinion based on what I

have read.

Regarding the pain on the wrong side of your chest ?...I cant understand

that ..but gall bladder pain s are known to radiate & be reflected at differents

parts of the body for different people...but the fact that your flushes keep

producing lots of stones shows that you need this (imo).. & are on the right

track to solve at least part of your problems (imo)

[Guest guest]

The Color of stones is known to vary depending on how long they have been in

gallbladder liver & depending on thier point of origination ..Gallbladder or

liver .......those stones from further back could very well differ in color

since they have been produced more recently than those that were up the front

(those in first flush)...

However I am not an authority on " color of Gallstones " ...but I do recall

reading info on this from this list previously..maybe some other members more

well versed in this area could chime in

My original advice hasnt changed at this stage though ,...regarding what I

would do now if I was in your position ..for what it is worth .

Good luck & Good health with whatever course of action you elect too follow

----- Original Message -----

From: Alok Kumar

beeline@...

Cc: gallstones

Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:41 PM

Subject: Re: 3rd gall bladder flush - stones are as it is

RESPECTED SIR,

i am really grateful to your advice. but one thing i am thinking about your

one advice i.e.

" A person who has a lot of stones in thier Gallbladder & liver ...will flush

out those stones near the entrance of the Gallbladder with each flush ....but

then all those stones up the back of the G.Bladder will then simply move foward

(too the front of the que as the case here may be)... & they then await thier

turn for the next flush.... "

sir i dont think that my gall bladder has 250 stones in it as in my 3 flushes

i expelled near about 250 stones. and one thing is that at my first flush i

expelled dark green colour objects and in second and third the stones were light

green in colour - so according to your statement the stones which were in the

back portion will move forward to expell but i expelled light green colour

stones inspite of dark green colour. so if the stones come forward which were

in the back portion should be dark green in colour. but they are light green in

colour, so i dont know why it happens.

regards - alok kumar