Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 In a message dated 1/12/2005 6:56:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, wholehealthawareness@... writes: > In the body clock of Chinese Medicine, the liver is most active detoxifying > > itself between 3:00-4:30am. This is why some people wake up at this time > are awake for an hour to an hour and a half and then go back to sleep. Dave: In the Chinese TCM system taught in Touch for Health and several acupunctures schools the gallbladder meridian is said to be active from 11pm-1am, liver meridian is said to be active from 1 am-3 am with Lung being active from 3am-5 am. The Japanese I believe shift the times one hour later -- ie,the GB 12-2am, the Liver from 2-4am the Lung meridian from 4-6am. I have never heard those times you quoted. I am interested...what " school " clock are you using ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 In a message dated 1/13/2005 5:26:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, wholehealthawareness@... writes: > My personal experience with clientele in this > geographical region is the normally considered clock is " warped " . In the > case of liver waking someone up; usually the 3:00-4:30am range. If someone > is waking 2;00-3:30 I still suspect the same. What you are discussing then is a circadian shift, it sounds like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <mackarmstr@...> <gallstones > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:53 PM Subject: Re: To all.. liver clock > In a message dated 1/12/2005 6:56:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wholehealthawareness@... writes: > > > > In the body clock of Chinese Medicine, the liver is most active > > detoxifying > > > > itself between 3:00-4:30am. This is why some people wake up at this > > time > > are awake for an hour to an hour and a half and then go back to sleep. > > Dave: In the Chinese TCM system taught in Touch for Health and several > acupunctures schools the gallbladder meridian is said to be active from > 11pm-1am, > liver meridian is said to be active from 1 am-3 am with Lung being active > from > 3am-5 am. > > The Japanese I believe shift the times one hour later -- ie,the GB 12-2am, > the Liver from 2-4am the Lung meridian from 4-6am. > > I have never heard those times you quoted. I am interested...what " school " > clock are you using There are as many schools of thought in TCM as there are practitioners. TCM was handed down from master to apprentice not taught in an academic institution. Therefore, depending on the school of thought and different experience of practitioners, opinion will vary. What we now have in this country is a distilled consensus from a few of the different lines. The body clock model is a manifestation of yin and yang which is an ever moving, ever changing dynamic. The activity of the organs does not start and stop abruptly but flows in and out. Therefore, no matter which " school " one is attuned to, these times are merely guidelines to go by (not to mention factoring in individual constitution, work habits, artificial lighting, and daylight savings time). My personal experience with clientele in this geographical region is the normally considered clock is " warped " . In the case of liver waking someone up; usually the 3:00-4:30am range. If someone is waking 2;00-3:30 I still suspect the same. This, by the way is damn near pandemic in our society. -Dave > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 I would expect the TCM body clock to be effected if not the same thing that we call the circadian rhythm. The TCM clock was developed over thousands of years and quite a different environment than what we live in now. The advent of artificial light alone has caused a dramatic shift and problem (take the fact that women have twice the rate of breast cancer working swing or graveyard due to the production of a hormone under light!). We now can stay up watching the tube, working, or writing posts to a group until all hours of the morning. Common sense combined with a heavy dose of science whispers insanity in my ear. Always, in all ways, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <mackarmstr@...> <gallstones > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:09 PM Subject: Re: To all.. liver clock > In a message dated 1/13/2005 5:26:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wholehealthawareness@... writes: > > > > My personal experience with clientele in this > > geographical region is the normally considered clock is " warped " . In > > the > > case of liver waking someone up; usually the 3:00-4:30am range. If > > someone > > is waking 2;00-3:30 I still suspect the same. > > What you are discussing then is a circadian shift, it sounds like. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.