Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 Hi Nile, I'm so sorry to hear about your diseased gallbladder. I agree that your surgion is happy to encourage you to do the only thing that he understands. What I don't understand is why you feel the need to convince your surgeon of anything? There is a slim to none chance of you changing his mind about all that he has been taught. He's been formally trained for more than 10 years to believe in the superiority of surgery for your situation and you're going to bring him some internet anecdotal stuff and he's going to say, " O you're right, I didn't realize that surgery is totally unnecessary in this case. Now I do. " . I don't think that will happen. After all, who are you when he has all the education to be in a position to know and you are an untrained layperson (he'll think to himself). My outside the box recommendation is forget about convincing your surgeon immediately and stop wasting your energy and time on this impossible task. Focus your energy on the achievable task of supporting your liver and gall bladder (they are so linked that you have to address both as a team). I can't tell you what to do. You have to decide that for yourself. If you decide for surgery it's your decision - not your surgeon's. If you decide to try and save your gall bladder, it's also your decision. The only thing your surgeon will understand is either " yes I'll schedule my self for surgery " , or " no, I won't be scheduling myself for surgery thank you. That's my decision. It's my body and my gall bladder. " Helping him understand any thing else at this point is beyond your control. Some things to consider: 1) Thin your bile by at least taking lecithin every day, if not bile salts and taurine. 2) Help ease the burden on your liver by ceasing consumption of all procecessed or heated oils and hydrogenated vegetable oils. Start eating the good fats every day: Extra Virgin olive oil, raw virgin coconut oil (one of the easiest oils to digest), whole flax seed ground up in addition to the flax oil, avacados, etc. These are just some examples of good fats. 3) Nourish the liver and gallbladder by supporting with nutrients like vitamin C (3 or more grams a day), beets, asparagus, flax seed, milk thistle seed, colloidal mineral supplement solution, plenty of water (the number of ozs equal to one half your body weight- half a gallon for 128 lb person), etc. Eat as much whole raw foods as you can each day. This was not meant to be all enclusive, but if you want to have some hope of turning things around with your gall bladder I'd start there and keep researching, researching, and research some more. Castor oil packs would be a good item to research. The inflamed gallbladder is infected. Keeping it flushed out with clean, thin, bile each day with the lecithin and oil is going to help it heal. Cleansing your bowl and killing any parasites that you may have would be a very good thing to do at the same time. Learning how to make your own colloidal silver and taking it each day will help your own immune system with the burden of eradicating the bacteria. Colloidal silver is the topic of other lists such as the Silver List: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdevour@...> Nile, I wish you the best, and hope that a lot of other people will chime in with their two cents. I'm afraid there's no instant gratification for saving a diseased gall bladder Sorry, but having unrealistic expectations is not going to help you. Having a workable plan is a much better strategy The best you can hope for is to take it easy enough on your gallbladder (at the worst possible time of the year) that you can add the support stuff to your daily routine and allow the gall bladder time and opportunity to heal. A surgeon should know better than to say a bodily organ " can't heal " . Sadly, some seem ignorant of that fact. It's true that most times people maintain the same nutritional habits that caused their gall badders to get diseased in the first place. This prevents the gall bladders from healing and they get worse. They eventually get removed. This seems to prove the surgeons point. The exception to the rule is when someone changes their nutritional habits drastically enough and fast enough to turn their gall bladder health around to prevent the need for surgery. Do you want to be an exception? Warmest regards, Vince > I talked to the surgeon the other day and he says my gallbladder has to come out. He indicated that there is no chance of healing > the gallbladder. I think he is a little knife happy. He was so opposed to any cleansing. I didn't have enough background research to really challenge him. How does one relate to these high powered guys who are confident in their convictions? For some reason I do not have a strong desire to get into the cleansing mode. I have really watched my diet. I am into apple juice. I am using enzymes. I got some <a href= " http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11 & k=flax%20seed% 20oil " onmouseover= " window.status='flax seed oil'; return true; " onmouseout= " window.status=''; return true; " >flax seed oil</a>. I put some heat on the discomforted area. I have more of a side ache than pain in the gallbladder area. But when I get out of the car I can feel some discomfort in the gallbladder region. My rejection fraction is 22% and it should be 35% or better. I told the good doctor that I wanted to hold off on any surgery until after Christmas. I have polyps but he says there are gallstones in the polyps. The good doctor wants me to hop on the table real soon. I would like to convince him that my gallbladder can be saved. With Christmas coming on, I think this is > a significant challenge because I may find the Savior who enables me to keep my gallbladder. I would like to hear from someone who has related to surgeons and can decide if they are God or not. If there is inflammation there, how do you get that out? Is <a href= " http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11 & k=epsom%20salts " onmouseover= " window.status='epsom salts'; return true; " onmouseout= " window.status=''; return true; " >epsom salts</a> a key ingredient. I need someone to help me think outside the box on this issue. I am the kind of person who really enjoys instant gratification. Thanks for reading my note. Warm regards from Nile Buch in Palmer, Ks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 NIle, Don't let those dumb-ass Kansas barber-surgeons push you around. A Kansas hospital is a good place to die and way too many poor devils do just that. I know, I'm from there and got out while I still could. You know what they say about ALL surgeons, " when you have a hammer in your hand, everything looks like a nail " . Translation: Don't ask a surgeon about healing or medicine. Many years ago they tried to cut my mother (who lives in Wichita) and she called me the day before her cholecystectomy asking me to wish her luck. I told her to cancel the surgery and I put her onto the flush. She actually did it. Apple juice, olive oil and epsom salts. The Kansas hick surgeon was mad and told her he'd see her on the table " sooner or later " . My mother has pluck so she gathered up the 400-500 stones she passed and took them into the surgeon's office. That was about 20 years ago and she still has her GB. She flushes now about once a year and is totally symptom-free. If you don't want to have those hillbillies saw into you, do your homework, get busy on the program and you won't ever see them again. Don't worry about the surgeons, they have plenty of new meat coming in every day. You are lucky, most people have no clue there are options. Will, happily living in Minnesota PS Aren't you a little bit old to be talking about " instant gratification " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 Actually, in hindsight Nile said he liked instant gratification. So do I With age we get to where we accept the fact that it's not always possible and I'm sure Nile knows that Things like saving for retirement until we can live off the interest, learning to play the violin, healing bodies and organs ravaged by disease are some of many situations where it's hard to get instant success.... Like the turtle said to the hare: " slow and steady wins the race " . Vince --- In gallstones , " Will Winter " <holistic@v...> wrote: > > >snip< > Will, happily living in Minnesota > > PS Aren't you a little bit old to be talking about " instant gratification " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 on Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:25:01 -0800 (PST) Nile Buch <nile_buch@...> wrote: > I talked to the surgeon the other day and he says my gallbladder has to come > out. He indicated that there is no chance of healing the gallbladder. I > think he is a little knife happy. He was so opposed to any cleansing. > > The good doctor wants me to hop on the table real soon. > Thanks for the interesting dialogue Nile and the fascinating replies as well. Why does your surgeon insist you have the operation before Christmas? What's the hurry? A classmate and I were put on an " urgent " waiting list for gastroscopy and abdo ultrasound in the public health system. In the 2 mths wait for her endoscopy she did Dr Cabot's 8 week liver cleasing diet. (http://www.liverdoctor.com) By the time she got to the clinic, everything was healthy, as was she. Drs found a few tiny stones responsible for her illness but said there was nothing they could do as the stones were too small to operate. So she's going to do the olive oil/citrus flush, mentioned in Dr Cabot's 2nd book In the 50's & 60's my grandparents were unable to access the top of thhe public health waiting lists in a timely fashion because of discrimination which favoured non Aboriginals first. When they resorted to traditional healers, a seer told my gran she had stones and a healer put her on the olive oil and lemon juice, which resulted in her passing about a t-cup full of stones. In nursing school in the 1970's, my lecturers were adamant people could most definately NOT excrete gallstones, that the only way was surgical removal, despite our experience. So I forgot all about the old ways, until recently, while stuck on the hospital waiting lists, miserable and sick. I passed some stones the morning of my ultrasound - which subsequently showed no stones, just a fatty liver. My " urgent " condition meant I waited 8 mths for gastro and 7 for ultrasound. It'd be YEARS wait listed for public hosp surgery. My point is, there's urgent and there's urgent when it comes to surgery. Meanwhile... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I'm a firm beleiver in the fact that it can be healed. My story is in the CureZone and use to be in this list's archive but most of that has been cleared so my story isn't there anymore. I too was told I needed to have my gallbladder removed within the next two weeks of the diagnostics showing I had " A " stone. I wasn't able to assertain the exact size of the stone from my doctor nor the radiologist. I then started on a venture into a new diet and things did change. My doctor had told me and my wife that my gallbladder was diseased and thickened, and that it could pop open and cause me a really sever problem if that were to happen. So, he gave me a surgeon's phone number and requested I get it removed within the next two weeks. That was in February of 1999 and I still have my gallbadder. My last gallbladder attack wasn't a gallbladder attack at all. It was a liver attack and appeared as Hepatitis on the blood tests. But, my liver and gallbladder looked perfectly healthy and there were no stones to be found in my gallbladder. However, there was one thing he did note and that was that my liver did have enlarged bile ducts. I atribute that to my flushes and large stone movement having caused the ducts to stretch as they moved through. The main reason this probably happened was because for the last month or more I had avoided every fat that I could imagine a food type may contain. This was not an intelligent choice on my part and afterwards I did a bit of further venture into the liver and found Dr. Cabot's information. I have since November of 1999 maintained a diet somewhat within the guidelines I'd learned from Dr. Cabot's book " The Liver Cleansing Diet " . Today I can pretty much enjoy food of which I had to avoid, flat out, years ago or suffer with an indescribable pain in the early morning hours. So, the final answer from me would be " Yes the gallbladder can heal " Dale >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I talked to the surgeon the other day and he says my gallbladder has to come out. He indicated that there is no chance of healing the gallbladder. I think he is a little knife happy. He was so opposed to any cleansing. I didn't have enough background research to really challenge him. How does one relate to these high powered guys who are confident in their convictions? For some reason I do not have a strong desire to get into the cleansing mode. I have really watched my diet. I am into apple juice. I am using enzymes. I got some flax seed oil. I put some heat on the discomforted area. I have more of a side ache than pain in the gallbladder area. But when I get out of the car I can feel some discomfort in the gallbladder region. My rejection fraction is 22% and it should be 35% or better. I told the good doctor that I wanted to hold off on any surgery until after Christmas. I have polyps but he says there are gallstones in the polyps. The good doctor wants me to hop on the table real soon. I would like to convince him that my gallbladder can be saved. With Christmas coming on, I think this is a significant challenge because I may find the Savior who enables me to keep my gallbladder. I would like to hear from someone who has related to surgeons and can decide if they are God or not. If there is inflammation there, how do you get that out? Is epsom salts a key ingredient. I need someone to help me think outside the box on this issue. I am the kind of person who really enjoys instant gratification. Thanks for reading my note. Warm regards from Nile Buch in Palmer, Ks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.