Wow!! Vagus nerve! Vaccines!

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In discussing the vagus nerve here and then mentioning in another

group for my son about severe gi issues, I was so surprised to have

another mother mention her children all had vagus nerve issues ie.

reflux, constipation, apnea, SID's with first child! My son also has

many of the same issue's,almost identical issues. She said no

seizures! Anyways, I did a little googling on vagus nerve/vaccines

and was so surprised, but made sense! It was very obvious with my son

that his gi issue's triggered his seizures. It was obvious in that I

new because my son's abdomen cavity nerver closed like the norm and I

am able to see the gi movement with him and thus the seizures that

followed during these movements! This all started the very day of his

vaccine reaction! Most reactions are so mild most dont see the

connection, just so happens my son's last round was very obvious and

put him in the hospital! Anyways it seems that the vagus is highly

vulnerable to the affects of vaccines. This nerve seems to affect the

gi and I suspect the nerves/muslces. This is what I always suspected

with my son, motility issues thus the constipation, reflux,

seizure's, etc. She had mentioned overactive vagus nerve(doc

diagnoses)! She mentioned it was a freek thing to find this doctor

and thus was able to proparly treat all her children! I also find it

odd that america has the highest rate of SID's in the world and we

are the biggest vaccinators also! I just thought I would share this

info and see what others think! Jennie<><

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--- Jennie <mykidshisgift@...> wrote:

> america has the highest rate of SID's in

> the world and we

> are the biggest vaccinators also!

Even if that is true, it doesn't prove a thing!

Correlation does imply causation.

Pepper

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Try telling that to the mother that lost her baby within days to SIDS just after

a vaccine round and they are telling her they dont know the cause, but there is

scientific proof to show it was vaccine injection!! Also, just so you

know...they are now in the process of making mandatory Adult vaccines!!! I wont

be in line!!

Pepper <hey_pep@...> wrote:

--- Jennie <mykidshisgift@...> wrote:

> america has the highest rate of SID's in

> the world and we

> are the biggest vaccinators also!

Even if that is true, it doesn't prove a thing!

Correlation does imply causation.

Pepper

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Pepper

What is your purpose in challenging other’s beliefs concerning their

experiences and wanting to share it with others?

I see you as a bully and not helpful. I could be very wrong, but all I have

seen from you is negative and mean things. We parents need to support each

other and understand we are all different. Just because one parent does not

believe in the VNS and I do, does not give me reason to be mean to that

other parent and undermine them. I am sure that Jennie and others here can

better spend their time sharing and assisting that supporting your position

which is unclear.

Here is the funny thing about numbers. They can support any position you

want if you know how to play with the numbers. Studies and proof are not

always the answer. Sometimes, it is the life experiences that really count

and make a difference.

I think that you should leave this alone or you and the Jennie you are

spatting with should take this offline and keep it in your personal emails.

I for one do not think you are trying to help anyone.

Jenn

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Jennie

Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:52 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Wow!! Vagus nerve! Vaccines!

Try telling that to the mother that lost her baby within days to SIDS just

after a vaccine round and they are telling her they dont know the cause, but

there is scientific proof to show it was vaccine injection!! Also, just so

you know...they are now in the process of making mandatory Adult vaccines!!!

I wont be in line!!

Pepper <HYPERLINK " mailto:hey_pep%40 " hey_pep (DOT) -com> wrote:

--- Jennie <HYPERLINK

" mailto:mykidshisgift%40 " mykidshisgift@-> wrote:

> america has the highest rate of SID's in

> the world and we

> are the biggest vaccinators also!

Even if that is true, it doesn't prove a thing!

Correlation does imply causation.

Pepper

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I have to agree here. I have been reading this banter back and forth,

scratching my head trying to figure out why Pepper is being so combative. When

dealing with a special needs child, the majority of us have spent alot of time

researching and questioning before coming to a conclusion or trying a new

treatment method. This list is supposed to be a SUPPORT group, not one for

challenge and negativity.

Pepper...just something to think about (and please don't respond to)...what

makes you so sure that vaccines AREN'T at least partially responsible for our

children's problems??? Each side of this debate can show " proof " to their

claim, but until you experience a perfectly healthy baby suddenly start seizing

and experiencing developmental delays shortly after immunizations, you have no

right to cast stones at the parents who know that vaccines are responsible.

You need to take your negativity and malice elsewhere! We all need as much

support as we can get each day.

Respectfully,

Coterillo

Mom to EJ-25 months (who started having seizures 2 weeks after his 15 month

MMR vaccination)

Jennie Stormes <jennie@...> wrote:

Pepper

What is your purpose in challenging other’s beliefs concerning their

experiences and wanting to share it with others?

I see you as a bully and not helpful. I could be very wrong, but all I have

seen from you is negative and mean things. We parents need to support each

other and understand we are all different. Just because one parent does not

believe in the VNS and I do, does not give me reason to be mean to that

other parent and undermine them. I am sure that Jennie and others here can

better spend their time sharing and assisting that supporting your position

which is unclear.

Here is the funny thing about numbers. They can support any position you

want if you know how to play with the numbers. Studies and proof are not

always the answer. Sometimes, it is the life experiences that really count

and make a difference.

I think that you should leave this alone or you and the Jennie you are

spatting with should take this offline and keep it in your personal emails.

I for one do not think you are trying to help anyone.

Jenn

Jennie Stormes

Owner, Instructor

Notary Public, CNSA, MNSA

Academy for Notaries by Jennie Stormes

124 No. Locust Lake Road Blairstown, NJ 07825

P.O. Box 1924 Lodi, CA 95241-1924

(209) 327-3366 Personal Cell

(209) 327-7393 Alternate Phone

(866) 791-4378 eFax

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Sometimes the hardest thing to do, is to do, nothing at all...... Wisdom

from dad, 2005

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Jennie

Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:52 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Wow!! Vagus nerve! Vaccines!

Try telling that to the mother that lost her baby within days to SIDS just

after a vaccine round and they are telling her they dont know the cause, but

there is scientific proof to show it was vaccine injection!! Also, just so

you know...they are now in the process of making mandatory Adult vaccines!!!

I wont be in line!!

Pepper wrote:

--- Jennie " mailto:mykidshisgift%40 " mykidshisgift@-> wrote:

> america has the highest rate of SID's in

> the world and we

> are the biggest vaccinators also!

Even if that is true, it doesn't prove a thing!

Correlation does imply causation.

Pepper

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Pretty much EVERY vaccine insert and VAERS implement

seizures as an adverse side effects. Vaccines ARE not

always safe! Just like ANY drug there are side

effects. This is a fact. Why in America, we can't

seem to have a happy medium on certain topics is

beyond me. It's either vaccines are totally safe or

vaccines are totally harmful. The answer in my opinion

lies somewhere in the middle,probably closer to a bit

harmful. When a child (like mine) develops seizures

during their first year of life with NO family

history,clean MRI, Clean EEG etc.,I believe it is

completely logical to STRONGLY consider vaccines. In

fact,I think it would be negligent as a parent NOT to

consider vaccines. Ofcourse, there will never be a

proven answer since a baby has NO medical history. I

have not kept up with all of this thread,I just can't

understand why it gets people so angry when others

consider vaccines.

--- Coterillo <sterlingess@...> wrote:

> I have to agree here. I have been reading this

> banter back and forth, scratching my head trying to

> figure out why Pepper is being so combative. When

> dealing with a special needs child, the majority of

> us have spent alot of time researching and

> questioning before coming to a conclusion or trying

> a new treatment method. This list is supposed to be

> a SUPPORT group, not one for challenge and

> negativity.

>

> Pepper...just something to think about (and please

> don't respond to)...what makes you so sure that

> vaccines AREN'T at least partially responsible for

> our children's problems??? Each side of this debate

> can show " proof " to their claim, but until you

> experience a perfectly healthy baby suddenly start

> seizing and experiencing developmental delays

> shortly after immunizations, you have no right to

> cast stones at the parents who know that vaccines

> are responsible.

>

> You need to take your negativity and malice

> elsewhere! We all need as much support as we can

> get each day.

>

> Respectfully,

> Coterillo

> Mom to EJ-25 months (who started having seizures 2

> weeks after his 15 month MMR vaccination)

>

>

>

> Jennie Stormes <jennie@...>

> wrote:

> Pepper

>

>

>

> What is your purpose in challenging other’s beliefs

> concerning their

> experiences and wanting to share it with others?

>

>

>

> I see you as a bully and not helpful. I could be

> very wrong, but all I have

> seen from you is negative and mean things. We

> parents need to support each

> other and understand we are all different. Just

> because one parent does not

> believe in the VNS and I do, does not give me reason

> to be mean to that

> other parent and undermine them. I am sure that

> Jennie and others here can

> better spend their time sharing and assisting that

> supporting your position

> which is unclear.

>

>

>

> Here is the funny thing about numbers. They can

> support any position you

> want if you know how to play with the numbers.

> Studies and proof are not

> always the answer. Sometimes, it is the life

> experiences that really count

> and make a difference.

>

>

>

> I think that you should leave this alone or you and

> the Jennie you are

> spatting with should take this offline and keep it

> in your personal emails.

> I for one do not think you are trying to help

> anyone.

>

>

>

> Jenn

>

>

>

> Jennie Stormes

>

> Owner, Instructor

>

> Notary Public, CNSA, MNSA

>

> Academy for Notaries by Jennie Stormes

>

> 124 No. Locust Lake Road Blairstown, NJ 07825

>

> P.O. Box 1924 Lodi, CA 95241-1924

>

> (209) 327-3366 Personal Cell

>

> (209) 327-7393 Alternate Phone

>

> (866) 791-4378 eFax

>

> HYPERLINK

>

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>

> HYPERLINK

>

" mailto:jennie@... " jennie@...

>

> HYPERLINK

>

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>

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>

>

>

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>

" http://finance./group/notary " http://finance.groups..co

> m/group/notary

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>

" http://finance./group/njna/ " http://finance.

> /group/njna/

>

>

>

> www.NJNotaryAssociation.com

>

>

>

> The power of Christ within you is greater than the

> power of evil around you.

> Monday October 3, 2005 Our Daily Bread

>

>

>

> Sometimes the hardest thing to do, is to do, nothing

> at all...... Wisdom

> from dad, 2005

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of Jennie

> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:52 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Wow!! Vagus nerve!

> Vaccines!

>

>

>

> Try telling that to the mother that lost her baby

> within days to SIDS just

> after a vaccine round and they are telling her they

> dont know the cause, but

> there is scientific proof to show it was vaccine

> injection!! Also, just so

> you know...they are now in the process of making

> mandatory Adult vaccines!!!

> I wont be in line!!

>

> Pepper wrote:

> --- Jennie

>

" mailto:mykidshisgift%40 " mykidshisgift@->

> wrote:

>

> > america has the highest rate of SID's in

> > the world and we

> > are the biggest vaccinators also!

>

> Even if that is true, it doesn't prove a thing!

> Correlation does imply causation.

>

> Pepper

>

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--- " L. T " <mrefus@...> wrote:

> Pretty much EVERY vaccine insert and VAERS implement

> seizures as an adverse side effects. Vaccines ARE

> not

> always safe! Just like ANY drug there are side

> effects. This is a fact. Why in America, we can't

> seem to have a happy medium on certain topics is

> beyond me.

I've only claimed they do more harm than good, not

that they are harmless.

It's either vaccines are totally safe or

> vaccines are totally harmful. The answer in my

> opinion

> lies somewhere in the middle,probably closer to a

> bit

> harmful.

And in my opinion, based on facts, much more helpful

over all.

Pepper

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--- Jennie Stormes <jennie@...>

wrote:

> Pepper

>

>

>

> What is your purpose in challenging other’s beliefs

> concerning their

> experiences and wanting to share it with others?

I'm interested in facts.

> I see you as a bully and not helpful.

And you say I'M combative!? You just attacked me

persoanlly. I haven't said anything bad about anybody.

I could be

> very wrong, but all I have

> seen from you is negative and mean things.

Spot the irony. What is not negative and mean about " I

see you as a bully and not helpful " ?

> We

> parents need to support each

> other and understand we are all different.

Well, your idea of support and mine are different.

Just

> because one parent does not

> believe in the VNS and I do, does not give me reason

> to be mean to that

> other parent and undermine them.

YOU have been mean to me. Calling me names. I have not

been mean to anybody. I just want to talk about the

facts. I have avoided talking about personal

situations, and individuals. Can you say the same?

Pepper

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